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'Ortman' vs Cutler: A criminally stupid debate

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Ortman.jpg I can't believe Sun-Times columnist Neil Hayes is starting this stupid debate. Kyle "Ortman" for Jay Cutler an even trade? I don't think so, dog.

Yes, I am aware the Broncos are 4-0. A few points about that: 1) The Broncos have wins over the lowly Browns and lowly Raiders. 2) The Broncos beat the Bengals only because "Ortman" woefully underthrew Brandon Marshall, and the tipped pass fortunately landed in another Denver receiver's hands for a miracle touchdown. 3) The Denver defense is ranked No. 1 in the NFL, largely because they've played really bad teams (see point one).

The Broncos aren't 4-0 because of Kyle Orton. He's still a mediocre, caretaker quarterback. You can win with him if you have a great defense, which the Bears proved during Orton's rookie year in 2005. But there's no way in hell you take Kyle Orton over Jay Cutler as your quarterback. No way. Cutler makes throws that Orton can't, and unlike good ol' neck beard, he can actually move in the pocket. That's been key the first few games because the Bears offensive line hasn't provided the greatest pass protection so far this year.

The Bears are 3-1. Is anyone prepared to make the case they'd be 3-1 with "Ortman" under center? Not a chance. They'd probably be 1-3 at this point.

Here are the Broncos next four games: New England, at San Diego, at Baltimore, Pittsburgh. Let's see if "Ortman" can win at least two of those games before we starting calling this an even trade.

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Why is it a "stupid" debate? The wins speak for itself.

Orton flourished well under Josh McDaniels, who I think is a Coach of the Year. The Broncos will likely win the division, and that's a credit to Orton. Orton makes great decisions, and he puts his team in a position to win, which is something I can't say about Cutler.

You do realize the Broncos never made the playoffs with Cutler, right? There was a reason why McDaniels could not wait to get rid of Cutler.

Da Bears are a terrible 4-4 team, and I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Oh and the Broncos did beat the Patriots and the Chargers already, and I expect them to win several more games later in the season.

Denver did quite well in this trade, and you know what's funny. With Da Bears likely having a losing season, the Broncos will get Da Bears pick.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, JB!

While I am at it, Vikings are 7-1 while Da Bears are 4-4.

Since we're into making after-the-fact comments lately, it is worth nothing that "Coach of the Year" McDaniels has guided the Broncos to six losses in the last eight games. Among them are defeats against the mighty Redskins and powerful Raiders.

If Denver actually had a quarterback, maybe its playoff positioning would be solidified by now.

Talk to me when Denver misses out on the playoffs. Last checked, they are still in. I will admit though they are not beating Philly on Sunday at Philly, but I think they hang on with a victory over the Chiefs at home.

Yes, Orton is a decent quarterback. The Broncos need to upgrade a quarterback next year if they want to take the next step, but with that said, how is Jay Cutler any better? He was terrible again, but keep defending him since you have no clue about sports.

Talk to me when Denver misses out on the playoffs. Last checked, they are still in. I will admit though they are not beating Philly on Sunday at Philly, but I think they hang on with a victory over the Chiefs at home.

Yes, Orton is a decent quarterback. The Broncos need to upgrade a quarterback next year if they want to take the next step, but with that said, how is Jay Cutler any better? He was terrible again, but keep defending him since you have no clue about sports.

It's funny you mock the Broncos, but did Da Bears beat a bad team too this year? You have no room to talk when you look at the fact your team is terrible. That was a great performance Sunday at Baltimore.

I've criticized the Bears repeatedly on this blog. You're just too illiterate to notice.

Once in every four weeks that you criticized Da Bears does not cut it for me. It should take place after every loss like the other day in what was an embarrassing performance.

BTW, how come you never talked about Da Bulls blowing a 35-point lead to the Kings the other night? How come Vinny Del Negro is not being to task for a lousy coaching job?

You seem to have me confused with someone who actually watches the Bulls on a regular basis. I've seen maybe two games all seasons. I don't care what the hell they do with Vinny Del Negro.

I went back and counted -- I have 12 blog posts ripping the Bears this season. Granted, I haven't written on either of the last two games because there's nothing I can say that I haven't been said before. The organization needs an enema. You can only write that so many times and so many ways.

I'm a busy man and this blog is only a small part of what I do here at this newspaper. I don't have time to write about how much Jerry Angelo's drafts suck every single day.

Who can blame me for being confused with someone that watches Da Bulls on a regular basis? I mean we had many Bulls entries in the blog during the playoffs that year so again who can blame me for confusing you to watch Da Bulls. I am pretty sure if they were an elite team, we would be reading about them all the time.

How come Steven Rosenbloom writes about Da Bears everyday in his blog? How come I see so many Bears columns in the Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune? How come in the back page of the Sun-Times, it's all Bears all the time even when it's a lost cause? Do I have to go read about Olin Kruetz in the back page of the paper on Thursday? I felt Da Hawks were more deserving.

Why don't you ask Rosenbloom why he writes about the Bears so frequently? I'm not the Sun-Times or the Tribune either.

If the Bulls make the playoffs, maybe I'll blog about their games. It's widely known that I don't follow the team closely. Right now, I'm not blogging about them win or lose, because I don't care.

What a shame, the Broncos got bombed at home by the Chiefs and were unable to secure a playoff spot.

"Coach of the Year" McDaniels squanders the 6-0 start by finishing 2-8 in the last 10 games. Ortman threw two pick sixes to the same guy with the season on the line vs. Kansas City. Very unfortunate. You hate to see something like that happen.

Its funny. The last two games of the season, the O line only gave up one sac, and look how good he was against the #2 seed Vikings and the Lions (granted, it was just the Lions). But I guess he's just a bum *rolls eyes*.

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