Napergate continues

I figured the only way I would be able to allow the previous Napergate post to pass peacefully from the home page was by replacing it with ... another Napergate post!

It is pretty clear that the Naperville police department is only a hair away from operating like the Gestapo. When the police are arresting local politicians and then don't show up to court when the case is presented and when the police union chief is attacking public figures in the media, it is clear it is time for a change. We need some independent overview of the activities of the Naperville police department. Some people need to be removed.

Ted,
I respectfully disagree with your findings, analysis and opinion.

Since we started a new thread, I probably need to give some background information so new bloggers will not be lost. My information is based on reading Mike's blog of February 1, 2008 5:44 PM, Bob's "amazing" blog of February 3, 2008 01:25 PM and one e-mail exchange with Mike who answered some questions where I had some confusion or doubts.

Here is my version. The Napergate Man and his fried Bob got together on Bob's birthday for a peaceful walk in downtown Naperville and the Riverwalk area on a beautiful Friday evening in downtown Naperville. The Napergate Man asked Bob if he could bring his white dog, Abby and Bob had no objection. They did not have any intentions to drink and were probably the only 2 people amongst the thousands in downtown Naperville that night that did not drink or go to a bar, lounge or restaurant.

According to an e-mail from Mike in response to one from me, Mike stated that the yellow Hummer H2, the Napergate Man was driving was parked on the northern side of Chicago Ave next to the western side of Jimmy's Grill. If anyone followed our debate 3 months ago, literally across the street from that 4th cab spot that caused so much controversy on other threads and has had record breaking hits on Google Satellite for Streets. Also an area with somewhere between 6-12 Naperville police on any given Friday night.

The Napergate Man, his friend Bob, and his dog Abby exited the vehicle without incident and walked about 2 hours downtown. It has been established over the last few months the Napergate Man loves to take long walks especially with Abby. Nothing went wrong during their 2 hour stroll.

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HERE IS HOW IT ALL UNRAVELS AND UNFOLDS:

1. They returned to the H2 at about 1am to return home. They entered the vehicle that was parked on Chicago Ave and drove away heading west.

2. Two or 3 Naperville Police Cars immediately followed. The Napergate Man activated his right turn signal and made a full stop on Chicago Ave and Main. They apparently knew the police were tailing them. Bob heard the Napergate Man count 1001, 1002, and 1003 to be sure he made a full stop.

3. They proceeded to Main and Jackson.. There was another stop sign and Bob reports the Napergate Man again counted 1001,1002 and 1003. The police vehicles are still following.

4. They proceeded to Main and Jefferson where there was yet another stop sign. Same procedure of counting 1001, 1002, 10003.

5. The police vehicles ignited their lights after he crossed Jefferson and the Napergate Man pulls off the street into a parking lot behind Potters and Ted's Steakhouse, probably in order not to block heavy traffic from the bars letting out usually about that time and to be under parking lights for his safety and that of the police officers.

6. As soon as the police lights were activated the Napergate Man advises his friend Bob not to say a SINGLE WORD and that he will handle the situation. It is later learned Bob obeyed the Napergate Man and never said a SINGLE WORD during the entire ordeal. But he apparently observed very closely and carefully.

7. A Sergeant and 3 police officers ask the Napergate Man to exit his vehicle. Bob decides to also exit with Abby.

8. At some point the Sergeant advised the Napergate Man that he was driving on a suspended license. The Napergate was not aware his license was suspended and had no reason to believe why it would be.

9. The many officers on the scene began checking their computers and manuals for codes they were not familiar with. Finally after about 10-15 minutes they determined his suspension was related to a white van in his name that had 3 or 4 tollway violations at the Oak Brook Plaza. A car that the Napergate Man never drives but allows his teenage daughters to drive.

10. It is undisputed that the Napergate Man's license had been suspended without his knowledge. It is also undisputed that his daughters did run thru the coin booth area of the Oak Brook Tollway Plaza, were caught without change and decided to proceed as there were dozens of cars behind them honking their horns during rush hour, I assume. The Tollway even had pictures proving his daughters committed these violations. These pictures and a notice stating we "MAY" suspend your license if these tolls are not paid were mailed to the Napergate Man. Unfortunately, this bulk sales looking notice showed up in the Napergate Man's mailbox one day after his arrest and incarceration.

11. At some point the Sergeant decided he was going to have to arrest Basim. He told him so. Basim asked if the Sergeant would be kind enough to allow him to arrange for rides to get Bob and Abby home. The Sergeants response was a loud "NO." Basim pleaded more than once with the Sergeant for him to allow him to get Abby home as he knew she would be an emotional mess if she was separated from him. The Sergeant's answer was a clear NO and that he had to arrest the Napergate Man.

12. The Napergate Man was asked to voluntarily turn himself around so he could be handcuffed.

13. The Napergate Man did not turn around immediately, but made one final polite request to the Sergeant. Mike and Bob both report he told the Sergeant and all the police officers at the scene, "That he knows Police Chief David Dial allows discretion in these kind of cases." He wanted to convince the Sergeant to change his mind about the need to handcuff him, incarcerate him and most importantly separate him from Abby. He was not worried about Bob who had plenty of money on him to take a cab home since Bob did not drive. His concern was for Abby.

14.At that point both Bob and Mike indicate in their original posts the Sergeant became OUTRAGED and started screaming at the Napergate Man.

15.Also in a very swift move the Sergeant winked, nodded, or notified the 3 police officers on the scene to turn Basim around and handcuff him. They chose not to wait for the Napergate Man to voluntarily comply after he was done pleading and all the officers on the scene including the Sergeant had him handcuffed in a surprise move in literally 2-3 seconds.

16.They took him away in a police vehicle, booked him and he spent the night in jail. He was allowed to bail out at 6am at which time Mike gave the Napergate Man a ride to Dunkin Donuts on the infamous Spring Green intersection.

17. The Napergate Man had asked Bob to take Abby there because she knew the husband/wife team that work the graveyard shift there very well as they give her 2 free Munchkins every day and love Abby. I will not describe Bob's 2 hour struggle to get her there as he described it very well in his "amazing" post. But he had to walk the 3-4 miles as no cabs would take a dog and it was a monumental struggle with Abby resisting and growling at him but never biting him! (No one should be worried about Abby biting anyone when the Napergate Man commits his "daily crime" of walking her without a leash in his subdivision of Pembroke Commons around a drive that circles a huge park according to bloggers.)

18. Mike drove Bob home and then the Napergate Man and Abby. The Napergate Man owns other vehicles that were only a few hundred yards away but being the law abiding citizen he apparently is, he chose not to drive them to get Bob home since he now knew he had a suspended license. Mike understood and agreed to drive Bob home who was a complete stranger to him at the time.

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HERE IS MY ANALYSIS:

1. Mike is not legally savvy like the Napergate Man, and made a second mistake in his post when stating the Napergate Man had a warrant out for his arrest. That is not true! There was no warrant out for his arrest.

2.His license was suspended by the Tollway Authority without his knowledge. This in not equivalent to a warrant for your arrest. It only means you are not allowed to drive. That is all it means. If you don't drive you are committing no violation. The Tollway Authority probably assumes you will get your notice and not drive until you take care of your tickets. Why would they issue a warrant? They do not know if one will choose to drive or not drive upon receiving their notice and there would have to be a known violation I assume for a warrant to be issued.

3. Here is my take on the running of his plates.

a. Assuming they knew it was the Napergate Man they probably had an irresistible temptation to run his plates. This gigantic yellow H2 Hummer was sitting within 10 yards of 6-12 police officers. They can get bored standing on that intersection. So they decided to do a check on the Napergate Man to see what he is up to these days. This would not be a random check which is legal but in my belief a TARGETED license plate check which is illegal and a CLASS 3 FELONY. Police in downtown Naperville on Friday night are not there to do random checks but to control the large crowds who have been drinking all night. We all know that! Plus it seems other personal besides police perform these random checks. Notice the vehicles that are waiting on Washington to tow cars at 4pm in the afternoon. They are City of Naperville vehicles but they are not manned by sworn officers. I would only speculate that these same individuals would do the random checks and not the sworn officers who have more important things to do especially on a Friday or Saturday night in downtown Naperville.

b. Assuming they did not know who these 2 men with a white dog were who came out of the Big Yellow H2 Hummer, I would speculate that curiosity killed at least one of the officers on the intersection who decided to run the plates to find out who these men with the white dog were. This would also be targeted and not random. Thus this would be an illegal check which is a Class 3 Felony according to Illinois Statutes.

4. I believe Ted is wrong and the Napergate Man was not mistreated because he made that now infamous comment, "I do know that Chief David Dial allows discretion in these kinds of cases," meaning he would like some discretion so he can get his dog home.

5.If you read both Mike's and Bob's posts carefully they both indicate that the Napergate Man made this comment ONLY after they told him they need to handcuff him and arrest him. Never before! He was not invoking any names of anyone but just trying to plead his case for the sake of Abby.

6.The officer did become probably further OUTRAGED after the Napergate Man made this comment. Not because he invoked the Police Chief Dial's name but because he "called out" the Sergeant himself. The Sergeant became outraged because he was being told in a gentle/subtle/hint way "You are DISCRIMINATING against me and I don't like it." The fact that the Napergate Man knew the Sergeant was discriminated against him and pointed it out, OUTRAGED the Sergeant.

7.The Sergeant in my opinion is a FASCIST who wanted to teach the Napergate Man a lesson. (His lesson was we are the BIG BOYS in this town and we do what we please and exercise our discretion in ways to discriminate if we so CHOSE. It is none of your business why we make the decisions we make. If you don't like how we operate leave town as you have already been asked to by former Mayors Price and Macrane.....Ameena speculating)

8.In my opinion all the involved Naperville police officers were trouble makers that evening. They wanted to stir trouble. They were looking for trouble. The Napergate Man was just trying to have a pleasant evening with his friend and dog. He did not drink and since he does not smoke they could not even get him for littering the streets with a cigarette butt.

9.Here is why I believe they were looking for trouble:

a. They knew the Napergate Man had a suspended license by doing an illegal license plate check on him.

b. They knew there would be no violation unless he jumped in his H2 and drove.

c. They wanted him to get in his H2 and drive in order that he would commit the violation so they could arrest him and throw him in jail for the evening.( I know from reading 43 out of the 44 Napergate ads that the Naperville Police don't like the Napergate Man....way to obvious)

d. I believe their actions were pre-meditated with every intention of bringing mischief and agony to the Napergate Man.

10.Here is why I believe so:

a. I suspect they 100% knew who this man has. He called them to his stores and gave them 500-1000 FAKE ID"s based on Napergate Ads, Court Records, Police Reports, and Newspaper articles.

b. With 6-12 officers on the scene what is the likelihood that at least one of them had been called to come pick up one of these 500-1000 fake IDs and give a police report number. He also drove his yellow Hummer in downtown Naperville 5 times a week. He also had been stopped on other occasions. He also had seen them in courts a lot...a real lot!

c.The odds are 99.999999999999999999999999999999999999999% that one of these 6-12 officers knew who the Napergate Man is. Probably a 100% chance but let us give them the benefit of the doubt.

d.I think in any other town anywhere in the USA but Naperville, the cops would have told the Napergate Man we just ran your license plate and we found out your license is suspended. You better not drive home or we will have to ticket and book you by law. Don't put us in that predicament! You are a nice guy that has done a lot for this town by launching a massive war against minors like no one in the history of the USA. We appreciate your efforts so much so we thought we would tip you off and reciprocate for your nice deeds of helping us fighting minors for a quarter of a century.(......Ameena pure speculation)

Keep in mind that the Napergate Man is in possession of 8 Fake I.Ds. from Thanksgiving and Christmas of 2007 according to Liquor Man Rick who has seen them and stated he is planning to hand deliver them to Mayor Pradel the next time they meet. So we learn his efforts never stopped but he no longer feels comfortable dealing with the THANKLESS Naperville Police Dept. but decided he is dealing with the Mayor somebody he very highly respects and admires based on statements and speculation of dozens and dozens of bloggers. Is anyone surprised that the Napergate Man switched his tactics of turning fake IDs from the police dept to the Mayor directly who also doubles as the Liquor Commissioner? I am not surprised at all based on researching the Napergate Man for 3 months at the library and elsewhere. (Just for the record I have never seen or met the Napergate Man. I have been studying him because I failed in dealing with City Hall and he is the only one known to beat City Hall consistently and repeatedly in this town the last 100 years.)

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THE SUMMARY OF EVENTS AND CONCLUSIONS

In summary I feel this was a vicious premeditated attack on the Napergate Man that was well orchestrated but obviously backfired as they underestimated once again the unique talents and brilliance of the Napergate Man.

They had a choice to warn him NOT TO DRIVE in order that he not COMMIT a violation. They chose not to warn him because they wanted to arrest him to get back at him for the past.

It has also become very apparent that the Napergate Man had no clue his driver's license was suspended. We all know this man is extremely brilliant and very cautious and would be the last person on earth to drive and park a very highly visible yellow H2 Hummer next to 6-12 police officers in downtown Naperville. That would defy logic and common sense. If he knew his license was suspended he would have asked Bob to drive(Mike verified Bob owns more than one car). Or if the Napergate Man was taking a calculated risk he would hide his vehicle in one of the large downtown parking garages. But never park it next to 6-12 police officers if he knew his license was suspended! I think we can all agree on this point!

I have no doubt they ran his license plate illegally and committed a CLASS 3 Felony. Again the H2 was in their faces for over 2 hours. The temptation to run his plates was probably uncontrollable. They fell for the temptation hoping they would not be called or caught committing a Class 3 Felony. They may have had prior knowledge that no one in the police dept. has ever been charged for this crime due to the Blue Code of Silence also known as Professional Courtesy thus further emboldening them to commit this outrageous FELONY. Also many bloggers have indicated that the NPD Internal Affairs Dept. is non-functional and purely for public consumption!

They knew they committed a felony and were trying to cover it by hoping the Napergate Man would commit a traffic violation so they could pretend that they ran his driver's license after the traffic violation which would be legal but not before which would be a Class 3 felony. They followed him thru several stop signs praying and hoping he would roll thru one or not activate his turn signal within 100 feet an intersection while making a turn. Again the Napergate Man was to smart for them plus he had one witness in the H2 who could talk and unfortunately a second who could not. They got pissed that he was outsmarting them and their incredibly strong temptations to nail him exceeded their ability for better judgment.

The Napergate Man was not arrested because he stated he knows Chief David Dial allows discretion in such situations. The decision to arrest him and throw him in jail was pre-meditated and made at the intersection of Chicago Ave and Washington St. where the numerous officers conspired and devised their tactful plan that is now being uncovered.

Mike and Bob both indicate that the Sergeant had informed him he was under arrest and should turn around to voluntarily allow them to hand cuff him. Only then did he mention Chief Dial. Never before! So Ted is very wrong in assuming that is what pissed the Sergeant and made him arrest the Napergate Man.

Yes, it did piss the Sergeant and make him hostile and loud. But it was not for the reason Ted stated. It was because the Napergate Man had uncovered the Sergeant's true intentions and "called him out."

This is what really aggravated the Sergeant and turned him ballistic. His conspiracy was uncovered and he was simply angry. Maybe the Napergate Man would have only been jailed for 3 hours if he did not make that comment instead of 5 hours. But the conspirators in the Naperville Police Dept. had made their decision that the Napergate Man was going to SPEND THE NIGHT in jail much earlier on that famous corner of Washington and Chicago Avenue which is the unofficial headquarters for the Naperville Police Dept. on Fridays and Saturdays.

My conclusions are based on studying the facts for several hours and having some additional questions answered by Mike thru e-mail such as where exactly the yellow H2 Hummer was parked.

Once again thanks to all for reading my long blog and to Moderator Jim and Host Ted for allowing me to use this thread and even criticize or argue their opinions at times.

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PS. It should also be obvious that the Napergate Man has attempted to avoid confrontation with the City of Naperville and Police. Despite this incident being vicious he apparently chose not to file a lawsuit in what I deem a MAJOR CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATION involving selective enforcement, discrimination, abuse of police powers and discretions, Class 3 Felony violations by police, conspiracy and an attempt to frame a man by inducing him to commit a violation and not choosing to stop it.

If there are any other witnesses to this incident or if anyone would like to shed some additional light please contact me Ameena at:

ameeenaa@yahoo.com

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CITY COUNCIL MEETING TONIGHT AT 7PM.

If this incident outrages you please feel free to speak before your City Council tonight at 7 p.m. Each speaker is allowed 3 minutes. I think it is high time we put an end to the rampant fascism in our police department since that famous IABTF COMMISSION RULING first disclosed it to us during a very lengthy investigation of the City of Naperville 15 YEARS AGO!

We need to appeal to our very nice Mayor, who the Napergate Man respects, to stop the ongoing and continuous fascism in our police department. I would like to emphasize like hundreds on these blogs before me, that Mayor George Pradel is not involved with this conspiracy as the former 3 Mayors have been. This is a very obvious and well known fact. He is highly respected and liked by all residents in this town including both Napervillians and Napergatians.

But I think we would like him to step to the plate since no one else is willing to. It is obvious that the Napergate Man made a PROMISE to his wife and children that he will stop NAPERGATE in return for this lovely white dog named Abby which they got him as part of the agreement. The little white dog was able to do what no human being could do in over 20 years. This little white lovely dog stopped all the political ads in the Naperville Sun including the infamous 44 Napergate Series that were directed at City Officials, Attorneys and Police for about a decade and are believed to have "killed" former Mayor Macrane!

The little white dog that brought peace and quiet to our town has now been abused horrifically by the Naperville Police Dept. I urge the Mayor and City Council to take swift and corrective action tonight at the City Council meeting. I urge residents to come forward and speak even though I know this is very very late notice. Sorry but if no one gets this very late notice we can always try again in 2 weeks!

Even if no one shows up due to the late notice, I urge the City Council to address this issue before it escalates and results in Napergate World War III. I want to make a record of my advice right here on Ted's Napergate Thread.

Let us not forget when the Napergate Man offered $1500 dollars and an apology for that "sting operation" in which he was found innocent, we ended up losing $1,000,0000 to $1,500,000 of hard earned Taxypayer money. And our City Manager is still lying to us by stating it only cost $5,000 to $10,000 for the entire 5 years of proceedings. The Napergate V ad that city officials pressured the Naperville Sun not to print has been uncovered after 15 long years and it shows the lowly court reporter alone made $24,600. We don't know what the 7 attorneys fighting that lonely bottle of Korbel Champaign made! But we can speculate! And many other officials worked that Kangaroo Hearing which were named in Napergate V which I posted on the earlier Napergate thread.

I hope the City Council tonight decides to take our city in a different direction from the lies and conspiracies we have become accustomed to of the past and seem to be continuing.

Thanks in advance to my City Council Members for their consideration in the investigation of this "OUTRAGEOUS" Case tonight! If Mayor George Pradel is unwilling to open the debate, I urge distinguished and highly respected City Council Member Dick Furstenau who is way too familiar with the antics and tactics of our Naperville Police Dept. to please open the debate.

Note from Ted:

Nothing but admiration and respect for you, Ameena, when I say it is pure speculation as to why Basim was pulled over in the first place. We just don't know. While you are entitled to your opinion that it was premeditated harassment, I remain unconvinced.

I think the Napergate Man was railroaded...it is kind of obvious reading all that info on the last thread!

Based on the Mike and Bob posts it seems something went very wrong that night! But I can not be sure until I hear from my police dept.

Ameena,
You are truly awesome. If I were not busy tonight I would be at the City Council tonight to support the Napergate Man.

I believe it was not only pre-meditated but well planned in advance.

They are just dealing with the wrong Man.

Will write more when I get home from work.

Incredible job, my dear Ameena!

I am going to try to show up tonight!

I can not believe how believable and great your anaylsis and dissection of this case has been.

Truly marvelous!

There is nothing left for anyone to say.

Ted,
Sorry I was emotional last night.

I was trying to say what Ameena just said but obviously I don't have her talent to write.

But she did agree with me.

You have to admit you were wrong as to why the Sergeant freaked out.

I feel much less emotional and more practical after reading Ameena's post.

I was waiting all day for someone to say something..

I guess we all need a leader to get us going and Ameena is proving to be the leader over and over again.

Note from Ted:

No worries, I'm not upset. I see what you're saying, and concede my theory requires further explanation. Though the Chief Dial remark came after an arrest was apparent, it may have contributed to the mistreatment: the being handcuffed and kept in the lockup for so long. I think we all agree on more important points of the account than we disagree. The key area of disagreement seems to remain: what prompted the traffic stop? This we don't know, and can only speculate.

To Ameena, Eric and Maryann: There is no City Council meeting tonight. Due to Election Day, the Council meeting is Wednesday (2.6).

I can not believe that you nailed this cover-up Ameena.

I am so proud of you. There is nothing left to write.

You said it all. Either they listen or don't listen..

Time will tell!

The only explanation that makes sense is yours, Ameena!

Nothing else makes sense.

Sorry, Ted, but Ameena nailed this one and your theories fall apart pretty easily as you did not have your timing straight.

Ameena studied her timeline very carefully before she wrote..

Now she needs to nail that Drew Peterson who has a time line problem!!!!

After reading Ameena's post only a fool would believe this was a random check.

It was TARGETED and that Sergeant should be charged with a Class 3 Felony and we should rid ourselves of him.

I DONT WANT BULLIES WORKING FOR MY POLICE DEPARTMENT.

Bullies don't belong in our police dept. anymore than they belong in our schools...this incident is a big black eye for our beautiful Naperville. It smacks of discrimination and harassment.

These idiotic police must think they are still in High School playing these nonsense games..

It seems like T.B., SWT, d.bone, Joe and Anonymous like to hide after Ameena does a posting.

They just can not deal with her. She does circles around their nonsense!

Kudos to Ameena for an analysis well done! Very factual and detailed!

That bonehead gang should learn to do some research before they post. They have probably never been to a library in their lives.

I felt it was just a matter of time before Ted's Citizen Journalists unravelled this plot.

Thanks for giving them a forum, Ted!

Bloggers must understand that if it was not for your generousity of hosting this thread for us, we could have never put our heads together and figured this all out.

Special thanks to Randy, Mike, Bob, Liquor Man Rick and last but not least Ameena for solving this mystery. It is nice to get the answers once in a blue moon and be certain..

I give odds that Ameena is 99.999999999999999999999999999% right!

No doubt in my mind!

Since when is asking a question grounds for such treatment, even if he did mention the name of the chief ? He did not say he wasn't going to comply, he asked a question.

Who's keeping an eye on the cops ? Isn't this the job of the Chief ?

Is this how Mayor Pradel would have handled the same situation 20 years ago ?

I am glad that city council got postponed tonight.

I was going to go scream at all of those guys tongiht.

This gives me 24 hours to cool off..

Now I have to find a way to squeeze the library parking lot and the Napergate Man in just 3 minutes..

Why can't we have 5 minutes to talk before the Mayor and council? There is a lot I would like to say.

By the way AMEENA, TED SAID IT BEST..."NOTHING BUT ADMIRATION AND RESPECT FOR YOU." I hope you don't mind me quoting you, Ted, but I could not think of a better way to say it. You do have a way with nice words, Ted!!

I had to read your report 3 times before I grasped your timelines and understoond your theories Ameena.

I guess I did not do my homework and review all the old posts like you did. But I finally understood your logic and agree with it 100%. It just makes to much sense not to be true..

I AM OUTRAGED AT THIS SERGEANT!

IT IS TIME FOR INTERNAL AFFAIRS TO SHOW US IF THEY EVEN EXIST!

I AGREE WITH THE NAPERGATE MAN WHO ALWAYS SAID THIS DEPARTMENT IS STRICTLY FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.

I AM GLAD AMEENA IS SPENDING SO MUCH TIME IN THE LIBRARY RESEARCHING THIS NAPERGATE MAN. IT IS FINALLY BEARING FRUIT AS WE CAN SEE!

IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS TO ALL OF US WHY MAYORS PRICE AND MACRANE WANTED THE NAPERGATE MAN OUT OF TOWN.

HE JUST KNOWS TOO MUCH AND IS WAY TOO SMART. HE IS VERY DANGEROUS TO THE ESTABLISHMENT! THAT IS A NO BRAINER!

EXCELLENT JOB AMEENA!!!

SORRY I AM YELLING TED BUT THIS ONE TIME I JUST COULD NOT HELP IT.

Note from Ted:

OK! YEAH!

Yeah I am still at work and peeking and cheating.

I just could not wait to get home to read Ameena's report so I stayed after work to read it.

It is investigative journalism at its best. She nails everything.

Leaves no stone unturned as they say! Marvelous job!

I am glad that girl is not a prosecutor.

Everyone would lose against her and no would be ever found innocent again.

I hope she becomes a defense attorney. I will know who to call when I get in trouble.

For less serious issues I will call Ted. But if I am in serious trouble, I am calling Ameena. I don't care how much that chick charges per hour. I know she will get me off.

And Ted she nailed City Manager Marshall for you and got him in a blatant lie? Are you going to call him out too? You guys got to toughen up a bit at the Naperville Sun. You can not expect Ameena to do everything... Help her just a little bit!

These Big Boys running this town our out of control.

If you and Jim don't stop them, I see the FBI and US Attorney coming to stop them.

Let us not have a repeat of the Nicarico case where you guys showed up after Eric Zorn laid everything on a silver platter for you.

Why does Ameena have more guts than you guys? Honestly!!!

Response from Ted:

Ouch. I'll take the bruising and hold my tongue.

Host Ted and Moderator Jim,

I have been writing my report for the last 2 hours before I saw Ameena's. I thought I was on. After reading Ameena's report I deleted my report and trashed it.

It could not compete with Ameena's report in preciseness or clarity. But my report would have had the same conclusions.

There is no doubt that there was a pre-meditated conspiracy against the Napergate Man.

I love Ameena's part in which she said that if these fascist cops had any decency to them, they would have told the Napergate Man his license was suspended, not to drive and to get a ride home.

No, they wanted him to drive and nail him. Silly and stupid boys!
If Interal Affairs does not investigate this, I will volunteer to call the State Police. State Police are responsible in nailing any police officer that abuses their computers illegally.

I learned that on the Gretawire.com thread. They even gave phone numbers of who to call to get an investigation started by the State Police. I failed to save the numbers but I will try to find them and post them on your thread if it is OK with you so they can get multiple calls to encourage them to launch an investigation into the abuse and mistreatment of the Napergate Man for over 20 years.

Response from Ted:

I believe a complaint is needed to launch a formal internal affairs investigation.

Another truly remarkable report by Ameena!

Bless your soul Ameena.

You are truly one of a kind.

As Kevin said I hope you run for City Council one day.

Those boys would be so scared of you.

Great suggestion Kevin!

Try to come out more often Kevin...you do make lots of sense sometimes!

Ted,

Regarding:

"While you are entitled to your opinion that it was premeditated harassment, I remain unconvinced."

Well, are you convinced at least you were wrong about the reason why the Napergate Man was handcuffed?

And another question for you TED?

Do you believe this was just a random check by busy cops on a Friday night whose main focus was to control thousands and thousands of drinkers.

I also believe that sworn officers don't do the random checks. I may be wrong but I think the police dept. has some civilian employees who do there rare random checks. I undertand they are very rare and hardly ever done!

So the likihood it was random is far fetched.

What say you Ted?

What say you Jim?

We know what Ameena says. She is clear! But what say you guys??

You just seem a little to vague at times.

Response from Ted:

Let me repeat so I'm clear: the reasons for the initial traffic stop are purely speculative. Anyone can lay out reasons for why they think it was premeditated, but what do the officers say in their police report about why Basim was pulled over in the first place? Anyone is entitled to request that report from NPD through the Freedom of Information Act. I imagine there are some telling clues to the puzzle in that report.

Response from Ted:

I believe a complaint is needed to launch a formal internal affairs investigation.

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Ted,
Many of us doubt there is an Internal Affairs Dept. The Napergate Man does not believe there is one. And if there is one it is tokenism for public consumption. He is usually right!

Can you site any internal investigation reports in the last 5 years from archives in your newspaper! You proved over and over you are good with research. I believe it was you who uncovered those 44 Napergate ads that headed Ameena to the library. I also believe you uncovered many articles on Spring Green including one you wrote yourself. It was a very good article by the way, Ted.

So I believe if there is an Internal Affairs Dept. you will uncover it. I am challenging you Ted! You have all the archives at your fingertips.

If there are, how come they are never reported?

If they are secret do they carry any real weight.

PS. Forgot to thank you Ameena! You are the GREATEST!!!!
I am glad you threw alien d.bone and his posse off this thread.
I can not believe Ted and Jim should allow d.bone on the same thread as Ameena. Think about that folks just for a second! It has to be insulting for Ameena to have d.bone debating her. But then unlike the rest of us she ignores him as if he does not exist. Why can't we do the same as Ameena and ignore aliens? Of course she learned to ignore aliens from her encounter with Joe and his outer space friends at Google watching that cabbie parking lot around the clock for fainted paint...lol..

I say,

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Leave the Napergate Man alone.

Does a man no longer have a right to retire peacefully and walk his dog downtown?

Is downtown suddenly only welcoming establishment people?

Give me a break!

Sorry Ameena, I forgot to commend you for that magnificently insightful 60 minutes type investigative style report.

You should get yourself a job at 60 minutes and come back with your new powers to investigate the Naperville Police.

If you are looking for help from the Naperville Sun, stop
wasting your time.

Note from Jim Lynch, moderator: If it wasn't for the Naperville Sun hosting this community forum we wouldn't even be talking about this. That last crack was unwarranted.

Response from Ted:

Let me repeat so I'm clear: the reasons for the initial traffic stop are purely speculative. Anyone can lay out reasons for why they think it was premeditated, but what do the officers say in their police report about why Basim was pulled over in the first place? Anyone is entitled to request that report from NPD through the Freedom of Information Act. I imagine there are some telling clues to the puzzle in that report.

Posted by: Marybeth | February 5, 2008 06:27 PM

I thought you were going to play watch dog, Ted, and get on the bus at some point! The Naperville Sun has tons of resources compared to us nobodys who can not even afford to by one tenth of the INK the Napegate Man bought with a week's salary.

The puck stops with you guys at the Sun. Order that Freedom of Information Report if you think it contains secrets. It will have nothing as there was nothing..

There was an honest eyewitness from beginning to end. His name is Bob!

Do you think the Napergate Man spit on the cops out of his Hummer window or something. Get real Ted?

We are not talking about Mike Tyson or Rodney King here!

We are talking about a man with an impeccable reputation. That being the Napergate Man. A man who has done numerous good deeds for the community. A man who won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP cleaning the streets of irresponsible minors causing havoc and dangerous driving conditions for the rest of us.

So let us finally do our job, Ted, and not always pass the puck to Ameena to do everything. You have a staff of dozens of reporters. She has no one working for her.

If she can do all she is doing, you should be motivated to notch it one step higher instead of asking civilians to file for Freedom of Information reports and call the State Police for investigations.

Eric Zorn does that...why can't you guys do it once or twice a month..

Thanks for letting us use your thread Ted and I must thankful you gave us another thread on Napergate as it was getting flaming hoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooottttttttttttttttttt!!!!!!!

Response from Ted:

OK, you got it, we'll FOIA the report. Could take 7 working days for city to comply.

After reading Ameena's shocking report,

I would like to join all those who called on

CHIEF DIAL TO RESIGN!

Sooner better then later.

Host Ted,

It seems to me you are always playing defense attorney for the cops?

They are BIG BOYS as someone noted. Let them defend themselves!

Use your numerous resources to investigate them.

They have plenty of money. Let them hire their own defense attorneys.

Remember these guys are sharp. They can hire 7 attorneys to work 5 years for 5-10k for all 5 years. You could not hire 7 attorneys for that price in your wildest dreams, Ted! So do you really think these BAD BOYS need your help...lol!

Now being as sharp as they are can you really help them???

I got to get some dinner! I came on to thank Ameena and got carried away. Did not mean to steal attention from Ameena's dynamite report? I apologize Ameena, but this whole thing of discrimation against the Napergate Man sickens me.

But I just wanted to say on a serious note what those cops did to the Napergate Man and his adorable and loveable dog Abby was criminal...Cops are suppose to enfore the law not committ crimes. I am disappointed in my police today. Very disappointed! I am hurt. I am embarrassed! This is as unbelievable as it possibly can get. It is insulting to the reputation of our prestigious town.

And I want to make the call to the Chief to resign like everyone else. The pucks has to stop somewhere..he sounds like the right place for it to stop.

As someone said somewhere, the Napergate Man goes and takes the rap for his daughters' violations and makes no excuses.

Chief Dial wants the rap all laid on DEAD MAN's Macrane's coffin after he died.

Does anyone know if Macrane was alive or dead in the summer of 2006 when the Napergate guy was arrested? At least we will know for sure where the blame goes if we can find out.

Hope someone can answer my question?

PS. Did anyone notice that blogger who said we are a hair away from operating like the Gestapo. His prediction came before the Ameena's devastating report. I would love to hear from him again to see if that one hair has finally been overcome and if we reached Gestapo Status.

Response from Ted:

If it seems like I defend cops, it's because I believe in fairness. It's not like NPD officers are going to chime in here and stick up for themselves. Say what you will, but these guys put their lives on the line every day protecting us. Besides, doesn't it make for better drama when I make myself a lightning rod for criticism? How much fun would this be if every single person here said the same thing and agreed 100 percent with each other? I've said it sounds like Basim was mistreated in this incident. I've said and I'll say it again: we don't know the reason why he was pulled over in the first place. For all we know there could be a very valid explanation if we could only hear the other side of the story. And we'll see if there's a report from the incident available, that might tell us something.

Response from Ted:

OK, you got it, we'll FOIA the report. Could take 7 working days for city to comply.

This is the action we are looking for.

My hat is off to you Ted.

I commend you with that remark.

You let the puck stop at you and that speaks volumes as far as I am concerned.

ammena, you still spew nothing but conjecture, and false hope. i find NOTHING in your long winded "report" that even comes close to truth. first off it was 1 a.m. this is exactly when the police are out looking for drunk drivers. we are the number 2 police force in the state for dui arrests. why should they not check this man out ? they run his plates, not a class 3 felony. they come back with a suspended license. the police question him, he pisses them off, off he goes to jail. his 5'11" tall red haired friend CHOOSES not to take the yellow hummer, or call anyone to pick him up. but instead HE drags the white dog to a dunkin donut where the kind people there give the dog donuts which i doubt are very good for dogs, by the way. it is complete nonsense to believe you or anyone else who writes into this blog regarding this story. it is all hearsay, rumor, a myth. if the "brilliant" esmail dali yoda would like to write in i would love to read his VERSION of the story. this all reminds me of the movie annie hall when some "intellectual" is spouting off about marshall mcluhan and woody drags marshall out and marshall says, "you know nothing of my work."

Wow Ted...

You are going to file a FOIA report.

Unbelievable!

Believe it or not Ted, I suddenly fell in love with you..

Sorry about that long nasty letter of a few days ago. I was just so angry about this Napergate Man and how he has been treated for 20 years.

I just could not take it anymore and took it out on you and Jim..

Give Jim my apologies, too. I hope you guys are not mad at me.

I am sure you were already mad at me because of all the threads I pestered you to delete. But I think that was good advice. I hope you don't mind free advice.

Did you notice that d.bone and his crew fell silent after being so loud the last couple of days. They have no defense when Ameena talks....they finally listen. Kind of like that old E. F. Hutton commercial where it suddenly all goes silent and you could here a pin drop when E. F. Hutton spoke. I hope they stay in hiding. It is hard to believe they just did not notice it suddenly.

How about that Joe guy who has been avoiding Ameena like the plague since that war between them regarding the towing problem. It seems Joe conceded to Ameena and avoids HER THREAD.
Ok, I know it is yours but you know what I meant!

Response from Ted:

Hey, people--I get great ideas from this blog, about investigations we should be doing. I can't tell you specifics because we don't want to show our cards just yet, but we have a couple in the works that I hope will silence some of the criticism that we don't investigate City Hall enough.

Moderator Jim,

I have been telling you guys this Napergate Man is a special man. Now I hope you understand why I was crying and upset that day. Honestly I still have tears in my eyes about what our police did to him.

I know the Naperville Sun is not China. But the Naperville Police is worse than China. I am sorry but that is how I feel. I came to this country so I can express myself.

Thanks Jim for not throwing me off your blog and letting me continue to express myself even when I am sometimes angry.

And thanks for filing that report to the police. I don't know what that means but I am assuming it is a good thing.

And bless Ameena's heart whoever that girl is. She is adorable! She reminds me of my daughter in college. Very classy girl! Does she work for the Naperville Sun or is she just like the rest of us? If she works for you guys I want to tell you she is a very good investigative reporter! Better than all those Trib and Sun-Times guy who need a month to do a story.

Ameena just needs one day...that is all...she is just so smart just like the Napergate Man.

And I want you to know I not only cried for the Napergate Man but I also cried much for Abby. She does not deserve this brutal treatment and inhumane treatment towards animals. If you ever met this lovely white dog you would agree and cry with me. She is not an ordinary dog! Trust me...how could she when she has a friend like the Napergate Man.

PS. My daughter helped me write again. I hope that is OK. I just like to be honest as I am not a good writer as you all saw that one time!

Dor: Your thoughts are appreciated but the real thanks go to Ted who's actively pursuing this case now through getting documents that will breathe sunshine into this case. So go easy on those tears....we're all in this together. The only thing I might take issue with is the Naperville Police being worse than China. I find that hard to believe, especially after having visited the PRC. Anyway, we appreciate your blogs.

hi there, i haven't been silent, just have to work every now and then. ted, if you indeed are going to be investigating, please make sure the mr. DICK furstenau is way up on your list. i have heard that the city has a revised its defense budget to over 600k ! if you look into his eyes, you will see the devil.

D. Bone,
Let me be polite. Did you know that the Napegate Man and his friend were the only 2 guys downtown that Friday night not drinking?

Numerous police saw them exit the vehicle with that little white dog. Do you know of any establishment in downtown Naperville that allows dogs to come inside while their owners have a few drinks?

So the police knew they were not drinking. Don't give us this nonsense of yours the police stopped the Napergate Man in his Hummer H2 because they are 2nd best in the state for DUIs as if he was suddenly drinking?

I checked the Dupage records and the Napergate Man never got a DUI in his life. I am sure the police know he would never drink and drive after a quarter century in town. So don't be attacking Ameena when I can even put holes in your story. Ameena would shred you like an 11 by 8.5 white piece of paper in a shredder. She will leave nothing identifiable of you.

As many noted you simply don't read before you write. Try reading D. bone once in a while. It is good for you.

I am surprised you surfaced after you let us have the thread to ourselves for a while. I would be surprised if you have not called all your buddies by now to start bashing Ameena since she can twist you around her little pinky finger and break you in 2 bones in a nanosecond.

Go do some reading d. bone. At least read the posts before you comment. Or better go find Joe on that Satellite at Google somewhere. At least Joe came to his senses and left us alone. Thank you Joe for finally smelling the coffee. Late is better then never!

d bone: Junked your last comment. Out of order....you know what you said. If you want to criticize fine, just keep it free of tasteless invective that borders on racist ranting.

Ameena,

There is nothing to add. You said it all. Bless your big heart!

I wish that Police Officer and Mrs. of the Police Officer will show up and blog with us again.

I suspect Police Officer will in a couple of days. He was backtracking in his last blog. I think he was taken back by the latest developments.

I suspect Mrs. of the Police Officer is another Dor. She is probably balling her eyes out after finding out all these details.

Her and her husband deserve better than this NPD of ours.

I hope her husband goes to another police dept. soon.

Just like we know Abby is special because of the Napergate Man, I have no doubt that Mrs. of the Police Officer has a great husband.
She is way to smart to marry a bad guy or a bad cop. She has got a big heart and I truly miss debating her. I am sure her husband would have never exercised his discretion as that idiotic fascist Sergeant in the NPD. Not in a million years. Dor needs to send that fascist Sergeant to China. I hate cops like that. They are the scum of the earth and I am saying that because I am 100% sure the story that is being told is true. Way to many eyewitness, court records, details that all fit in like a puzzle.

I hope she understands that none of this bashing of the NPD applies to her or her husband. I do not doubt they are exceptions and many more excpetions in our NPD.

But we have to root out this gang of 5-10 cops that are harassing and hassling the Napergate Man.

I respect Police Officer. He was right except for one thing.
He thought they were disciplined and stopped. I know he knows he was wrong and obviously feels bad. I don't expect to see him anytime soon but I want him to know we understand how he could have been wrong. We are all wrong at times. Even the Napergate Man was wrong when he never pointed the finger at Chief Dial assuming what all the bloggers are saying. But if never did he also made a mistake bigger than POLICE OFFICER's mistake..

Just my thoughts!

Hope Mrs. of the Police Officer comes back. I think she knows Melissa and I both like her and were not giving her a hard time.
We were just picking her brain maybe a little too much but we were curious.

Ameena, I cant wait till your conspiracy nonsense gets thrown back into your face, then what purpose in life will you have? Your blogs are all your opinions (way to long too) and very little facts, all 3rd hand accounts of the BIG incident which you were not there. You obviously have a problem with authority and probably men for that matter.

Heres what you do, go get the police application and you can make these great decisions on when to arrest or not. You have all the answers, and since you do so much research (alledgely) why have you not shown any case law on the class 3 felony charge you repeatedly whine about and when has a police officer ever been arrested for running license plates? If this one arrest is so important, then let the guy who it affected come out and discuss it.
Please, try to shorten your response, I know your far left wing friends enjoy it. Your not blowing anyone out of the water with your responses, nobody really has as much time as you aparently do to write this long and somehow you think the longer it is, the more qualified your answers are. There not.

hi, do you know if esmail dali yoda had a hip flask bottle in his pocket and was drinking on the riverwalk, and then smashed the bottle and cursed at god ? no you don't. do the police know if he was drinking, just because he has a dog, and a 5'11" red head man with $250 dollar shoes ? no they did not. i have read all her silly postings, nonsense, hog wash, etc... and jim, to trash my last post is near sacrilege. i will repeat some of it. DOR if you really think the naperville police are in the same league as the chinese red army police, then i can see why you are part of this esmail dali yoda cult. i think it is almost enough for me to break my cardinal rule and get emotional.

Since when is asking a question grounds for such treatment, even if he did mention the name of the chief ? He did not say he wasn't going to comply, he asked a question.

Who's keeping an eye on the cops ? Isn't this the job of the Chief ?

Is this how Mayor Pradel would have handled the same situation 20 years ago ?

D bone, its the same blah blah blah over and over, you cant win, They are always right. Lets break it down one last time, so maybe even Ameena gets it

Short and sweet

Cops can run plates all day long for no reason (in CALF for example, they have cameras that mounted inside the police car that run every plate it sees which is a $#@% of license plates. Why you ask? You guess it, looking for sexual preditors, CRIMINALS, people are wanted, driving suspended, or for stolen cars. Sorry if you dont like it, I guess dont drive?

Other important facts to this case.

Suspended driving = Arrest and usually your car being towed

Officer discretion = just that, just like when you get a warning ticket you got lucky the cop was being nice.

Uh, thats it folks. Everything else is your guess, opinion, or in a lot of cases lies from the peanut gallery.

Dont forget to thank the cops for doing the job you never had the courage or commitment to do.

Here is some info you can check out yourself

http://timestranscript.canadaeast.com/search/article/69339

Marilyn,

I am not hiding. I have read Ameena's report at least 5 times. I had a few police friends look it over. It is hard to put any holes in it. While it is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, we all feel it is by far the most logical explanation as to what happened.

It is false to believe that all cops stick up for each other under any circumstance. We don't! When a cop crosses a certain line we disown him. I am sure everyone knows there is not cop that is backing Sergeant Drew Peterson. But I think there may be a bit of an overreaction by the bloggers here. This Sergeant can not be lumped with Sergeant Peterson. He is not a murderer or a rapist. But he did something outrageous. He did mistreat an outstanding citizen with an impeccable record and much service to society.

Police Officers are given much discretion. We need that discretion. We should never abuse that discretion. This particular Sergeant abused his discretion in a despicable fashion. I told you how I would have handled it. Most of you agree with me obviously with your comments. This is not to way to handle a petty violation that at most involved a $1.60 cents. It is apparent that the Sergeant and his police officers had discovered that it involved a $1.60 cents before they decided to arrest him.

Initially Ted was wrong as to what set this Sergeant off. In reading Mikes and Bobs posts over and over again all day today, it is undisputed that Mr. Esmail did not mention that "Chief David Dial allows discretion in similar cases" until he was asked to turn around to be hand cuffed.

This Sergeant apparently has an ego. My guess is he had to be one of the 5-10 I have been referring to in my prior prior posts. I thought they were all low level officers but apparently I was wrong. I did inform that I did not work for NPD so I was not giving first hand knowledge. This arrest has all the markings of revenge written on it. It was payback for the smear campaign that Mr. Esmail put the Naperville Police Dept thru for over 10 years. The payback was coming but they were looking and waiting for opportunities. They never forgot about him. He made peace with them but he was the victor. They were the losers and had a much more difficult time making peace with him.

I know no one believes me anymore, but I just feel this is all happening behind Chief David Dial's back and it is not condoned or tolerated by him. But his back is finally against the wall. He has to make a statement.

Many of you bloggers may have forgotten! But I was the one who predicted this was coming. I would never have predicted it would come at this speed or ferociousness. But it came and it is time to get some answers. I commend Host Ted for filing that FOIA report.

Let us face it! Newspapers are sensitive to starting up with the local police depts in a small town. But we police need to be watched like any organization. A good policeman does not mind being put under the microscope. A bad policeman hates being under the microscope. I feel I am a good policeman and anyone can put me under a microscope and I will feel confident.

I will say that if my local police dept. would have taken the bashing the Naperville Police Dept has been taking someone in the dept would have spoken up by now. The Naperville Police Dept's extreme silence is a sign of weakness and possible wrong doing somewhere in that department. Again I feel it is less than 10 cops including at least one Sergeant, that are making 190 good and very fine policemen and policewomen in uniform look bad.

My suspicion is that the 190 good and fine men at the NPD are at some boiling point. There is a Code of Blue and Professional Courtesy in every police department in the USA. I do not know of a single exception. But once a police officer brings shame to his Police Dept. that code of blue really thins out. If the facts in the latest Napergate Case are as the bloggers are posting, I believe Chief Dial has to take some serious action against this Sergeant. I will go on record and make a prediction. If the facts remain as is and Chief David Dial takes no action against this Sergeant I believe he will be forced to resign.

No offense to the Naperville Sun, but the pressure is going to have to come from the Chicago Tribune, Sun-Times and all 3 network TV station before the Chief gets the message and resigns. The City of Naperville is dealing with a unique individual who can pick up the phone and get his well known friend Eric Zorn involved. I think there is only one reason why the Napergate Man has not dialed that phone call to Eric Zorn. He likes and respects Mayor George Pradel and is waiting to see if the Mayor will do anything. I am only speculating but I believe there is a limit even to the Napergate Man's patience.

One way the Napergate Man can get the attention of the entire Chicagoland Media is by running a few more Napergate ads about his arrest. I believe that would do it and seal Chief Dial's fate. I also believe the NPD is in complete denial because they survived the previous storms of the Napergate Man. I don't believe the upper echelons of the NPD can survive this ferocious storm that is just beginning to pick steam.

I read this blog daily. I was shocked when I saw the speed of the letters coming after Ameena's devastating report. Usually in newsprint there are a 1000 people who agree with a letter to the editor. I suspect in blogging it is not quite as much. But say a 100. If so, those 30 some letters I saw symbolize 3000 people. That all happened in 2 hours after Ameena's insightful report. I expect this barrage to continue and it may just become the grassroots everyone is calling for.

Ameena means well. But she showed her inexperience by calling on supporters to show up at City Council with 2 hours notice. That would have been a recipe for disaster. I am glad Jim called that one off. She also did not even bother to verify that the meeting was on.

The Napergate Man never made mistakes like that. He always did his homework. He would run 2 or 3 ads to publicize a meeting starting a week in advance to maybe a day in advance. He would pack them in. Ameena would have had 5 people show up and lost huge momentum. She is trying but she needs to keep reading those Napergate Ads to learn from the Master of all Masters. And I have no doubt she will learn. But she can not jump the gun before she is ready and make to many mistakes.

The Napergate Man surrounded himself with tons of supporters, leaders, attorneys and who knows what else. Ameena is still a one person operation and needs years to reach the point where this Napergate Man was. Many people don't realize how hard the Napergate Man was working in the decade that preceded the Napergate Era. It was just quiet.

Plus not only was this Napergate Man well educated with an MBA and I found out an undergraduate degree in Medical Technology both from Michigan State University in E. Lansing, Michigan, but now we find out from his friend Bob about this very high ranking position he held in a very large corporation probably while still in his upper 20s. No one would be given responsibility for a multi-billion dollar portfolio if he was not exceptionally special and talented at that young age.

Anyway, I was not planning on writing until I collected my thoughts further but Marilyn "called me out"(my new favorite phrase) and here I am. I willl write more later when I collect my thoughts a little better and do some more research.

Once again to Ameena. A job well done! My criticism of you was constructive! You are amazing as Ted said and ignore those few critics who are obviously jealous of your talents in what I presume, were acquired at a very young age.

Ameena,

Not to pick apart your post or anything, but here goes:

Under your heading HERE IS MY ANALYSIS, point No. 3, you say either way, whether the police knew it was Basim or not when they ran his plate, it was a felony to do so. You're wrong. Here's my supporting evidence:

"The court affirmed that police may conduct a computer check of a vehicle's license plate even though no violation has occurred."

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=il&vol=app/2004/3020937&invol=3

I challenge anyone to show me any evidence to the contrary.

Points No. 9 and No. 10--that the officers must have known who he was before running his plate--are pure speculation.

Point No. 10b really bothers me that you "think in any other town anywhere in the USA but Naperville" that police officers, upon discovering during a legal traffic stop that the driver has a suspended license, will simply smile and wave him on his way, is absurd. It is a criminal violation to drive with a suspended license. It would be irresponsible for any officer in that situation to not at the very least issue a citation for such an infraction.

Your SUMMARY AND CONCLUSION is thus flawed. The traffic stop was legal, Basim had committed a criminal violation by driving with a suspended license, they did not have a CHOICE to let him go with a warning. Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Regardless of whether Basim knew his license was suspended for whatever reason, he was committing a criminal violation.

And I'm sorry, but you didn't even have the correct date of this week's city council meeting. Your credibility is tarnished in my opinion.

License checks for moving vehicles are different from parked vehicles.

Officer Pleads Guilty to Running Plate Checks
February 1, 2008 - 5:34am

ALEXANDRIA, Va. (AP) - A Fairfax County police sergeant has pleaded guilty in federal court to illegally using police computers to check license plate numbers for a friend.

Prosecutors say what Sgt. Weiss Rasool didn't know was that his friend was the target of a federal investigation and that the plates were on surveillance cars used in the probe. Rasool pleaded guilty in Alexandria federal court to one misdemeanor count of unauthorized computer access.

Court records show Rasool was caught when federal agents using a wiretap heard his call to the friend, who was convicted in his investigation. Prosecutors won't identify the friend.

The 30-year-old Rasool faces a maximum of one year in prison, though sentencing guidelines call for probation or up to six months. Police say he's been suspended with pay pending the outcome of an internal investigation.

(Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

Although the license-plate search at issue here is arguably less invasive than a license-and-registration check, the constitutional concerns regarding abuse of discretion do not disappear simply because drivers are not stopped to conduct the license-plate search. First, a search can implicate the Fourth Amendment even when the individual does not know that she is being searched. Second, the balancing of Fourth Amendment interests also requires consideration of "psychological intrusion[s] visited upon" the individuals searched in assessing the extent of intrusion that a particular police practice imposes. The psychological invasion that results from knowing that one's personal information is subject to search by the police, for no reason, at any time one is driving a car is undoubtedly grave...

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What happened, according to court documents:

When Officer Mark Keeley of the Farmington Hills, Mich., police department was driving around a local shopping center, he noticed a white van idling in the lane closest to the stores. A man was inside and the lane was marked with "Fire Lane" and "No Parking" signs.

Keeley entered the vehicle's license-plate number into his patrol car's Law Enforcement Information Network (LEIN). According to the Michigan state government's Web site (PDF), LEIN databases include missing persons, Michigan state criminal history, prison and parole information, and a list of wanted people from the National Crime Information Center.

The LEIN search showed that the vehicle was registered to Curtis Ellison, a black man who had an outstanding felony warrant. Keeley called for backup, approached the van and arrested Ellison. During the arrest, Ellison was found to have two firearms. He was later indicted for being a felon in possession of a firearm in violation of federal law.

The trial judge ruled, however, that the van was not parked illegally and therefore Keeley did not have probable cause to run the LEIN check of the van's license plate. Therefore, the judge reasoned, the results of the LEIN check should be suppressed, including the discovery of Ellison's two firearms.

Anon -

You're 2:34 AM post is not relevant here because this was a bad cop running plates for his friend - clearly illegal conduct and not related to what is being discussed here which is running a plate for a LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSE.

The 2:56 AM post is disturbing as you left out the rest of the article. In fact, you seem to have used parts of the first four paragraphs of the article almost word for word before you left the rest of the article out of your post.

THE COPS WON on appeal and the appeals court ruled that the cops COULD run a plate because that is the reason plates are actually on your car!

See the following which picks up after you stopped:

"The U.S. Attorney's office appealed, saying that Americans have no reasonable expectation of privacy in their license-plate numbers, and therefore police need no probable cause to conduct computer checks.

In a 2-1 ruling, a three-judge panel from the 6th Circuit agreed. They said that "a motorist has no reasonable expectation of privacy in the information contained on his license plate under the Fourth Amendment...The very purpose of a license plate number, like that of a Vehicle Identification Number, is to provide identifying information to law enforcement officials and others." (The majority also rejected Ellison's argument that he was racially profiled because he was black.)"

Yes, there was a dissenting judge as the ruling was 2-1. You can look up the article for the dissenting opinion (addr