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Time to learn D204 high school boundaries

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This week the Indian Prairie School District 204 board is scheduled to announce boundaries for Metea Valley High School, which will require changes to the attendance areas for Waubonsie Valley and Neuqua Valley high schools.

Have you heard what the new boundaries will be? Any information leaking out of the district's administrative center? What do you most want to see when the new boundaries are revealed?

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Used to live in Signature Club. Moved to Timber Creek about 5 years ago. While in Signature Club, my kids attended Neuqua. Both in college now. Timber Creek is 2 miles east of RT 59 on 95th and well within Neuqua area.

I never understood the bias against WVHS by ipsd 204 residents. By every objective measure, NVHS is only slightly better and both are outstanding schools.

Having said that, I feel for the Tall Grass residents. I do not know how the ipsd 204 board came by a zoning that takes children away from a school they can walk to a school they have to be bussed, especially if you consider after school activities. Tall Grass residents do have a strong point here even though they lost the law suit. I hope they continue to fight this. It looks unjust to me.

Has anyone noticed that the legal fees are included in only the Brach Brodie price per acre? And then they only used 2.5M as an estimate. But we are paying legal fees no matter what property the third high school is built on and the new estimate is at 5M. I realize that the property is still much more expensive, but if we are really comparing apples to apples in real estate the new site actually costs approximately $223,529 per acre – and that is using the 2.5M estimate. It goes up to $252,942 using the “new” 5M figure.

Also, shouldn’t we be concerned that the school board plans to close on the new site on 3/10 BEFORE the court date to settle damages! Doesn’t this seem irresponsible?

Shouldn’t we be concerned that the EPA data comes out after close also? At last night’s meeting we were told the secondary bore sample would be back in 3 weeks…that would put us at about March 12th. AFTER the closing! Why is the administration in such a hurry all of a sudden?

Below are supporting articles to the facts stated above:


DAILY HERALD 1/18/08

Leaders also must decide what to do with their 25 acres of Brach-Brodie land. Selling it back is an option.

Steve Helm, attorney for the Brodie trust, said the district has taken no formal action yet and it's premature to say it will abandon its rights to the other 55 acres.

But if officials do, they'll have to pay the landowners for attorney fees and litigation expenses that could be more than $4 million. The landowners also could seek other damages.


DAILY HERALD 2/5/2008

Even though the district now has given up the Brach-Brodie land, the two sides aren't done with each other. They will be in court again March 17 to hear any further motions.

"We won't be filing anything in the condemnation case," said Rick Petesch, attorney for the district. "We'll wait for their motions regarding (legal) fees. And whatever else they add to that."

The district also has to offer to sell the 25 acres it already owns back to the Brach-Brodie trust for the amount it originally paid -- about $6.4 million. The trust has not indicated whether it is interested in buying it back.

Petesch said he plans to write a letter to the trust later this week asking it to make a decision by a certain date.

"We'll give them a deadline, and if they don't meet that deadline, we might ask the court to impose a deadline on them," Petesch said.


I am sorry to disagree with you, mh.

There are power lines on the direct eastern edge and northern edge of the property we are purchasing from MWGEN/AME.

They border 50 % of the property.

I have a mixed comment to the Owen West (OW) poster who says they are an island. I agree that it would be better for you if you went to Waubonsie also. It is closer to you. And frankly, my kids (we live in "owen east" (OE)) will be upset that their friends in OW won't be accompanying them to HS after Still.

At the same time, going to Metea was a much bigger burden on OE than on OW. We are much further from Metea than you are. It would have been nice if we could all go to Waubonsie, but it sounds like the numbers made it an either/or situation, and by picking OE they made the right choice. I wish the numbers would let you to join us, but I don't think they do.

My wife was at the meeting, and she said that OE had excellent representation. Also, it was the first agenda item, and definitely the most illogical of the boundary placements.

I drove by the site for the second time yesterday. It is not near as close to the power lines as some would lead you to believe. It is a nice big parcel. Face it, there aren't any other sites in the area.

To LovingItUpNorth with regards to IP HS:

That HS is on the West side of Eola and further away to the south from all of the hazards at the MWGEN site.

There are no natural gas transit pipelines running through the middle of its property and there are not RR tracks or Crude Oil pipelines running adjacent to it. There is no power substation diagonally neighboring it or high voltage lines edging 50% of the property either down at Eola and Stonebridge location of the school you mention.

What someone chose some number of years ago is irrelevant today unless you are actually saying there is a problem and we should be concerned about a building that is approximately 10 times further distance away from the hazards pointed out.

Should we? I don't like putting a price on kid's safety but unfortunately the rest of our community has by choosing a "cheaper" site.
If you think the other school location is unsafe too, say why. I will happily take it all under consideration.

After tonights meeting, it actually happened that our situation went from bad to worse (my letter to the SB)

After just returning from the board meeting, I realize that your decisions were not going to make everyone happy, however you made our situation go from bad to worse. When I say "our" I mean Owen West. Little did I know that Owen East would take up their cause and leave Owen west out to dry.

Four years ago you sent my subdivision, The Villages of Meadowlakes along with Chicory, to Owen, the furtherst school in the district. With your revised boundry, by sending Owen East to Waubonsie, (along with the other subdivisions already slated to go to Waubonsie) you have in essence taken 3/4 of Still and sent them to Waubonsie. Meaning the only students from Still to be sent to Metea are walkers. Everyone bused to Still is being sent to Waubonsie. You have isolated the area bounded by Route 59, Montgomery, Frontenac & 75th, we are an island. We are the only area south of 75 going to Metea, the 3rd farthest school from our homes.

When I asked Board member Vickers to clarify what Owen east meant I was told Brighton Ridge, West Glen, etc. I asked what about Owen west and she stated "we didn't hear from anyone from Owen west. By the time I realized that Owen east had their own agenda and that Owen west was apparently "on their own" it was too late to sign up to be heard.

I believe a huge injustice was done to the families living in this area. It wasn't bad enough that we were being sent to the farthest school in the district (for the 2nd time - once to Owen and now Metea) and the 3rd farthest from our house, you took the majority of the population of Still and have sent them to Waubonsie. You may not see this as a detrement, however I do. You have no idea what this will do to my children.

You only have to live with this decision for tonight, however my children have to live with "your mistake" until 2014.

Kind of hard to ask the current SB why the school was built there when some of them were probably in ES themselves or possibly not even born. Not one of them was in office at the time.

All I'm saying is that the COMMUNITY is not upset about that site now that we know the POSSIBLE issues with MV. If everyone is so worried about the students at Metea and shouldn't build there then they should feel for those at Indian Plains. But that is not the case.

This is what you call double standards. It's good for some but not all. Because it's a small school and doesn't have the draw of the others we can just sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist.

Go Metea!

Concerned for all not just one--

I'm not the one who chose the location of any school. I'm also not the one who wrote the site selection criteria for the ISBE. I'm also not the one who laid the pipelines where they are, erected the high voltage power lines or previously located a DFO and Natural gas burning power plant at the location by Diehl and Eola.

If you want to know why the SD did something, then ask them, please.

To the school board: It certainly seems as though a number of subdivisions would rather not attend WVHS. We WANT TO STAY THERE. PLEEEEEASE! On behalf of East Owen residents - the proposed commute to Metea is ridiculous. Can't some compromise be reached?

Arch, if the site of the new HS is so dangerous and illegal, then please explain to me why the SD has been able to have a building that at one time was an ES and now a HS which is a stones throw from the MV site. Did you know that it is one of the oldest schools in this district. Yes, I'm talking about Indian Plains HS. The school that everyone in this district seem to forgot about. How many of those kids are bused more than 30 min. to their school. I haven't heard anyone worried about those students. If it's OK for them to take that trike every day why isn't good for others. Why haven't we been concerned all these years with them being so close to the proposed site.

Please enlighten me.


Metzger had his facts wrong and used it to justify his decisions. Alot more than 1/4 of Tallgrass/Penncross neighborhood are walkers if a walker is defined to be within 1.5 miles (which it is legally). About 80% are walkers. Whether they will actually walk is not the deciding factor. Most junior and seniors will drive regardless.

Not all of Welch neighborhoods are walkers either and they are considered walkers to Neuqua.

I empathize with everyone that is having changes made to their school of attendance. But with this entire district pitted against one another a few items are eluding the majority of us.

As I understand it, the Brach Brodie estate has until the 17th of March to submit legal expenses, decide if they want to pursue a breach of contract and decide if they are willing to purchase back the 25 acres currently owned by district 204. The SB wants to close on the new site BEFORE they know these figures. There is a lot of what ifs out there not answer on the previous site let alone the new site. Hypothetically, if the legal fees come in at 8M, 3M more than the estimated 5M, and the estate refuse to buy back the land at 6.7M we are down 9.7M off the building fund. Why do we need such a large piece of land? Can’t we build a school on the 25 acres we own already or purchase a few more from BB? Don’t we have some alternatives there?

The northern site was originally eliminated on the basis of polluted soil and electro magnetic current in the area. Now the SB says it’s safe and that the seller will do whatever it takes to mitigate the site, yet we want to break ground late March – early April. How is this possible? Where is the original study (back in the last debate), then the revised study in this round?

Then there is the railroad sale. It is most likely going to happen…rather than fighting about which neighborhoods should and shouldn’t have to travel over those tracks how do we unite and get above grade crossings to insure our children’s safety, alleviate traffic and maintain our community’s integrity.

These are the issues we should be solving not fighting about. I believe the SB will adopt the boundaries this evening or a version very close to it. Let’s work together to address the issues above before we find our district in more trouble.

I was wondering what the projected enrollment showed before we voted on the referendum. I went back to the 2005 enrollment projections and found the 10 year estimate based on current conditions and vacant land zoned for residential. The only part of the district that showed growth was the area in the NV (2005) boundaries. The build out of available parcels of land would be complete over that 10 year period before peaking out. Looking at these projections, I am shocked that a high school site was even considered on the north end of town. The estimated peak number of hs students was around 10,500 (over that 10 year period). With almost 4000 students attending NV (new boundaries) how much room for growth can this school handle? In a few years, will we be asked to pass another referendum to buid on to NV? Under the new boundaries WV and MV will have around 2600 students with little or no growth. I live in TG. With the new school site and boundaries, I am very pleased not to be attending NV. I will live with longer bus rides knowing that my 3 children will not be on the lottery system if they with to join a school club. I am happy that they will not be 1 of 500 band menbers. I still wonder why the site for a new hs is up north. I believe the school board acted too quickly on this whole mess. WV has more seasoned teachers and with lower enrollment I belive over the long run that it will soon be tops in the district.

Anonymous 9:44. Where do you live? How does the plan affect your life, your commute? Reference would be good. How selfish are you? What are you getting out of the boundary plan?
I think you're missing the point that residents who purchased their current house prior to 2007, knew what they getting - a six mile commute or a 1 mile commute. That was their choice. No one promised them different. They maybe paid a premium or made a sacrifice to get that shorter commute to the school of their choice. Now it is being taken away from them when maybe it doesn't have to. They have their right to be angry or frustrated when the SB's criteria and priorities have changed with the wind and seem to be tainted on a lot of levels.

2 schools west of the tracks with the Canadian National Railway purchase virtually certain is absolutely crazy. A significant majority of the student population is east of the tracks. 3000+ students crossing tracks daily. Safety and travel times to 2 of the high schools in District 204 is going to destroy this school district. We won't need a 3rd high school in this district if the proposed site goes forward, people will leave the district in mass.

I get tired of being part of such a selfish community. You would think that those displaced could look at the district as a whole and try to get this high school built, sooner than later. Tall Grass has been very fortunate to have had a grade school and a middle school right in their subdivision. Everyone doesn't have that. Did you know that some of our elementary schools currently have ten to twelve busses getting kids to and from school? We have good schools, those parents don't complain. Did you know that some subdivisions have to bus their kids five miles to middle school when there are others closer? Do those parents complain? Nope. When Ashwood was built, they weren't promised anything, but maybe Waubonsee. White Eagle is so close to Waubonsee, I can't believe they aren't there already. I urge SD204 to not kowtow to those who just want anyone else to feel the pain, but themselves.

According to the Daily Herald this morning, looks like the decision is already made......why doesn't that suprise me!

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=137598&src=76

Regarding the bridge article in today's Sun...

Yes, you are right that 100% of Fry may not be deemed walkers, but neither can Welch, Clow or any other school that has a close proximity to NV either. As a matter of fact, part of Welch's students live north of 83rd street. Isn't that a whole heck of a lot closer to WV than all of Fry which resides south of 95th? I find it interesting that so many people who don't live in the Fry boundary can claim statistics on how many kids will walk. Maybe the boundaries should give all students with the potential to walk the chance...what a concept that would be for our SB to handle.

from anonymous.."Lets fast forward 30 years from now- close waubonsie" 2.18.08 9.11 am

i think you are absolutely right.. but i don't think it will be 30 years.. but more like 10-15 years!

FYI, in case you missed today's Sun article about the bridge:

"Mark Metzger, school board president, said during the last boundary debate that administration looked into the bridge issue. Even if the bridge was determined a safe passage, it only qualified half of Tall Grass students as walkers to the freshman center ad only about one-fourth of the neighborhood as walkers to the main campus, so the district would still be responsible for busing a majority of those students."

If TG were to have their way, even in light of this, then someone else who is proposed to NV would be moved. Wouldn't those people protest? Wouldn't that prolong everything? Where would it end?


With that said, IMHO, Owen should go to WV. Their drive is ridiculous. Split schools happen all across the country and our kids will be ok (they do have their fellow K-5 classmates to venture off to HS with, they aren't all alone!) The third HS site needs to be proven to be safe environmentally, point by point, beyond a shadow of a doubt.

When the refernedum was passed two years ago the projected enrollments numbers were different. It passed 58% yes 42% no. Now with enrollment clearly on the decline do we still want to spend 150 million tax dollars? Hold the SB accountable and stop fighting with your neighbors. We tried to make a change in our community. My husband interviewed for the open position( filled by Alka Tyle). So instead of complaining he tried to do something about it. Alot has changed in the last two years. I don't blame anyone who is considering any legal action against the SB.

If all you so outraged by this decision had bothered to vote in the last school board election then we might have had a different outcome. I'm tired of hearing from all of you who are now suddenly enlightened by the incompetence of this bumbling group. I'm sure their hearts are in the right place, but I sure as heck don't know where their heads are.

Forget your little petitions, stop acting like you're the only ones inconvenienced by this crappy decision. Most of all, please stop threatening legal action.

Bet you guys won't be too busy to VOTE next time, which will be right before your kids start attending their assigned school for Fall 2009. Exercise your right to vote!!

I would LOVE to see the look on Lisa Madigan's face when she sees this petition :)!!!!Something tells me she may be busy that night.....

To Darkie - there are plenty of dark skin folks on the south end of naperville as well as tones in between. This is not about race. The point is that we do not need a 3rd high school built on the most northern and western part of the district, especially on a piece of property with environmental concerns. The bulk of the 204 student population lives south of 75th street. The location of the new school does not decrease travel times or accomplish balanced high schools. Beyond the ridiculous boundaries (and I am fine with attending WV), this plan is not a solution. What criteria are we satisfying besides rushing to open a building in 2009? If we do not start looking at the real issues and facts, we are going to be stuck with a nice new building that does not achieve any of the district's own goals. Start worrying about that...

You people are the most self-important snobs I've ever seen. It is clear that what's really going on here is that some of you think that spending too much money on a house entitles you to be free of things that you don't like -- like people who spend less on their homes or -- God forbid -- have skin that is darker than yours.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

Has anyone heard that once you live in district #204, you can send your child to any #204 school as long as you don't need bus service? Is this true? Are there restrictions on that?

Property values (or at least time to sell) may decrease on top of the bad economy due to the boundary changes in some cases. I bet Stonebridge becomes a bit more desirable and Brighton Ridge/West Glen takes a dip with their new 10 mile/40 minute commute to Matea. "mom, do you have at least an hour to run me up to the football game" )

TG was very desirable to many buyers with all three levels of schools within walking distance. Or a very short driving time if your children are not inclined to walk a distance of 1 mile in the rain or cold. If I were to move and buy a house in South Naperville in the next few years, I would choose Stillwater over Tallgrass because they won't have to go 5 or 6 miles in heavy traffic to their high school. School locations are a selling point and can affect price.

But so can crowded schools.....

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When NV was not around our home values were continuously climbing and when NV opened up and we stayed in the WV area our home values continued to rise just as they did in NV area. So please give the community a better argument than your home values because that is not true. The prices in this area, as well as across the nation, are down. THEY ARE NOT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE DECISION THE SB MADE.

I’m somewhat sympathetic with the position TG residents are in right now, but I don’t understand why some of the TG residents are insistent on pointing out their higher education, home and wealth. Do they really think they are the only educated people in Naperville? Get over yourselves; while your community does have some nice homes the same could be said about many subdivisions throughout district 204. How does any of this conceited opinion really factor into a boundaries decision anyway?

Anon,

After several posts by people trying to smooth over the White Eagle, Tall Grass, etc stereotype, you just knocked them back a few steps with your idiotic post. Oh, poor me because I have to go to WV!

We all know about the SB being less then adequate. We all know about the money that has been wasted and how our community has been split. During the last SB election all the incumbents were reelected. True there wasn't much in terms of opposition but there would have been a statement if one had lost their spot. The next election has Clark, Vickers, Stephans and Glawe coming up. If people have the guts to change things run some good people against them. Only by a massive change in the SB will things start to get better. They can't get any worse.

I think the issue is that the sb are incompetent. The third hs should be built where the growth is occuring not way north. It is unacceptable for children to be moved from existing schools. Parents purchase homes based on not the district but the local school, and property prices do matter! We are being moved from NV to WV and our house price will decrease fair or unfair this is fact. When buying our home we paid a premium to feed into NV. If those people who are changing from WV to NV or MV are happy to pass onto me there profit on home value then fine. I will be able to afford to move! We have worked hard and sacraficed much to be able to afford to live in NV catchment area. Life is not fair some people have more than others, but we have worked for every penny and so did our parents to give us the education to allow us to get on. It is cruel and unjust for it to be taken away from us.

Has anyone thought about the fact that perhaps that SB has created such a scenario whereby the alternative land choice and boundary revisions were so ridiculous that the residents of SD 204 might just vote to meet the $31M deficit based on the prior referendum??? I have no experience on how this works, so I could be way out of line here. But, if that were the case, the SB ends up building the third high school on the land that it wanted in the first place – 75th Street – which makes more sense than the alternate choice, since it’s a fact that the student population is extremely large in the south. We weren’t here when the referendum passed, but if the majority of SD 204 residents voted to pass it with the SB proposed 75th Street location, I would assume that land choice was suitable to the majority. And that certainly doesn't seem to be the case now with the new proposal. Additionally, hasn’t all the testing been done already on the 75th Street property that makes it ready to build? There seems to be so much work that needs to be done (and so many uncertainties) on the alternative property, I don’t see how the new school could be completed on time. Aren’t we back to square one? If so, doesn’t it make sense to take it slowly to make sure this is a viable alternative? We’re already being penalized (heavily) for walking away from BB.

Maybe I’m somewhat cynical, but I’ve never seen any proposal like the alternative the SB came up with. It doesn't seem logical to me. We’re new to this area and state, and our children have attended schools in more than one district in the past, but I’ve never seen boundaries like this.

P.S. What a shock to read so many back-stabbing, negative, and mean comments about different subdivisions within our city! The intelligent way to go is to comment with facts, or at least with genuine questions, rather than the emotional ramblings of a lot of these posts. It doesn’t help.

Can someone summarize what the controversial ad said in the Sun yesterday since I didn't see it?

There are site selection guidelines within their grant program that I believe MWGEN violates. I do not know if they applied for any grant to help build this but even if they did not, this site could be called into question at the state level for violating the spirit of item C2b below with regards to safety that should be applied to all site selection, not just the grant ones.

http://www.cdb.state.il.us/schools/skulrules.htm

c) Standards for School Site Selection and Approval
2) Suitability for Development and Construction

A) The site must be free of physical structures, topographical
features or subsurface physical conditions that would preclude necessary construction,
present insurmountable obstacles to safety or normal utilization, shorten building life,
cause excessive delays in project completion, or cause costs to exceed the funds available.
"Necessary construction" shall include but not necessarily be limited to: buildings, utility
lines, storm water disposal arrangements and paving. The local district shall provide a
report, acceptable to the Board, on soil conditions based on the removal of soil for testing.
The cost to the local school district of the soil test and report of that test shall be
considered as a credit to the local share of the recognized project cost if the site is
approved and a grant award is made.

B) The site must not be subject to existing or foreseeable,
harmful or disruptive environmental hazards and nuisances. Such hazards and nuisances may
include, but are not necessarily limited to: excessive dust, smoke, noise, odors, air
pollutants, soil pollutants, floods, ground water incursions, vibrations, explosions, and
electrical discharges. Site acquisition shall be subject to the Farmland Preservation Act
[505 ILCS 75], Interagency Wetland Policy Act of 1989 [20 ILCS 830], Illinois State Agency
Historic Resources Preservation Act [20 ILCS 3410], Archaeological and Paleontological
Resources Protection Act [20 ILCS 3435] and the Illinois Endangered Species Protection Act

That might be their leg to stand on at the state level. The boundaries and budget are purely a local issue and a waste of time, in my opinion.

Lets fast forward 30 years from now. We have 3 HS. One over 60 years old and two considerably younger. Enrollment is down just like you see in older built out communities today.

Now we have 3 schools one is way to expensive to maintian and don't need. So you close that school redraw your boundaries and you have one school north and one south. Now that's what I call looking into the future and that's what I want my SB to do.

Because I live in the "best town" I don't plan on moving until retirement and my home value is secure.

Now that's forward thinking which we all should be doing.

To MH & Reggie:

Do you live up North per chance or safely within NVHS? Please give readers a reference point when you bash others rights to be upset when their personal situations are affected by these boundary changes. I would have to guess your personal situations have either improved or stayed the same with the new school site and boundary changes

Many TG/Pencross Knolls/WE/Signature Homes residents did not like the old boundaries with the Matea site at 75th either. There was a lot of outcry at that time. Many voted "no" even when they did not like the overcrowding. But now even more resident of those 3 neighborhhods are angry because their high school (WV) will be harder to get to than the 75th st site, and they are splitting their middle school unevenly. (under the other scenario it was split 50-50 and now only Fry feeders have to chnage high schools)

The way it's going, Naperville might make Newsweek again, not as one of the top places to raise a family, but for the idiots that are stupid enought to sue their own school district!

OMG I cant believe some of you parents. I am ashamed to call you parents. Getting the States Attourney involved because you didnt get the high school at your end of the district and you didnt get to stay at Neuqua. Dont you think her plate is kind of full right now with the tragedy at NIU and other major cases? What is she going to do drop everything and help you? Get over yourselves. There have been millions of children across the United States that have gone to split schools and surrived. It has been happening since schools have started. They will adapt as children do. Get over yourselves and help the situation instead of compounding it more. When you voted for the third high school no where on the ballot did it say you are voting for a high school based on specific boundries. All it said was "ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF A THIRD HIGH SCHOOL". A district has the leagal right to change boundries as it sees fit to maintain the educational balance of its district. No matter what decision the board could have come up with some one would be complaining about it. Do you understand all of your petty complaining will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! THE SCHOOL BOARD HAS MADE ITS DECISION! Dont be suprised if at the end of the meeting on Tuesday the board approves the boundries. So what have you accomplished besides waisted time, tax payers money, and shown everyone how immature you really are?

With almost 4000 kids at NV, and around a 1000 or so being shipped north to WV and MV, it makes me wonder why the school site is at the northern end of the district. Clearly with at least almost 6000+ high school students south of 75th street, the site of the new school should have been south as well. It makes me wonder why the administration whould have picked the site they did. Let me ask this question. Where does our new Super live, and how might this site effect his home value? After all he and his administration are the one's calling the shots. All the SB does is vote yes or no. It kind of reminds me of a certain mayor in Chicago that has his own agenda.

Please for the love of God and ALL taxpayers of this state, please don't waste our tax dollars on your little playground fight. Don't you think our Attorney General has bigger fish fry than worrying about little Bobby and Susie on their bus ride to school that is no different than half million kids across this country. Why is it that people in Naperville should be any different than any other community.

YOU ARE WASTEING ALL THE TAXPAYERS $ IN THE STATE OF ILLINOIS!!!!

NAPERVILLE, GET OVER YOURSELF AND LIVE IN REALITY.

YOU DO KNOW THAT PLEASANTVILLE WAS A MOVIE.


To Anonymous who posted asking where the concern was when the MV site was announced:

People did not expect the Administration to recommend a site that had already been excluded from the pick due to the documented environmental concerns and potential health risks that were written into the first site selection report that the School Board used to pick the first land, BrachBrodie.

It caught many people off guard that they would go back to a site that was already disqualified for health reasons and pretend that everything was fine now. It's the same site now as it was then.

It's since been shown on 'the other board' that what was put forth at the January 22, 2008 school board meeting, presented by our own Super, was false, misleading and/or simply wrong data with regards to the fuel used at the old peaker power plant, how much was used, how often, the number of pipelines and their contents as well as where they are located through and besides the property, the number of high voltage lines and the EMF readings they claimed were 'safe'.

I have documented each one of these and sent them to the Super, the Administration and the School Board members.

Basic question: If it isn't a "We don't want to go to WV," and is simply a "W

e want to be at the high school closest to us, the one we bought our homes believing we would go to...." then why didn't the action above occur when they were going to MV on 75th instead of NV?!?!?


Second Basic question: Where was all of this concern for the "whole district" when the MV site was brought to the table? Why wasn't anyone protesting then if it is such a horrible site?

Just in case there was any question where the add in today's newspaper came from, this email came across my desk this morning. I have removed all names to protect the "not so innocent"

-----Original Message-----
From: -------------@aol.com [mailto:---------------@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:13 PM
To: undisclosed-recipients:
Subject: Fwd: Petition


Hi Everyone,

Hopefully you are aware of the next steps that our neighborhood is taking with regards to the 3rd high school boundary proposal. We've put together a plan of action that includes a petition to IL Attorney General Lisa Madigan urging her involvement, a flyer encouraging attendance at the Tuesday Board meeting, a full-page ad in Sunday's Naperville Sun, preparation of a presentation for Tuesday night, contacting various newspapers/investigative reporters, etc, as well as looking into legal action if necessary.

As of right now, if you can get involved, we are trying to circulate the Attorney General petition (attached below) to as many IPSD 204 RESIDENTS (not just Tallgrass or Penncross). Neighbors are out today collecting signatures. We do not want this to be a Tall Grass thing but rather a whole global-wide perspective. Get as many signatures as possible from every neighborhood.

Let's face it, the whole 3rd HS location is just so wrong for the whole district. This is NOT about a "we don't want to go to Waubonsie" thing it is much more about the right decisions for our district as a whole. Our call to action is to get the SB to slow down and revisit the whole thing. Why rush into a long-term decision just to get a school up for 2009? This terrible high school location will have permanent repercussions (transportation and transit issues/costs, economic impact on the community, long term environmental concerns - this is a former power plant!). Is that really what you wanted when you voted for the 2006 Referendum?

Please let me know if you can help. Forward this email on to everyone.

Make sure you come to Tuesday's School Board meeting. Voice your concerns!

THANKS.
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Oh, this is great.

Now a group of mad parents have wasted their money on an ad in the Sun today. Give me a break. That'll really help things.

Which one of you loser areas is it?

luckofthedraw,

You're saying that you're entitled to it?

Living north in the district, we have put up with numerous movements of our kids and other slights. One attended the original Granger, then went to the new Granger, then went back to the old Granger (what by that time was the freshman campus for WV) and then the WV Green Campus. Four buildings in four years, but he seemed to survive it just fine. Plus he enjoyed the longest bus ride in the district - which often refused to stop in DuPage and instead stopped inexplicably in Kane County - and made all the kids walk one eighth mile out of the county to the bus stop (despite repeated calls). All of this to attend a high school that has all the physical charm of a windowless, Soviet-era munitions plant.

It's about time we got a break. Go Metea Valley!

I have a number of observations and comments:

I feel sorry for the neighborhoods who received riduculous commutes and split middle schools in the interest of test score and economic diversity balancing; my sympathy to Owen and Fry.

Ashwood - remember you were not supposed to or have some "right" to go to NVHS; it was a temporary fix when builders/developers complained about possible "loss of sales". To the "out of towner" who bought there and now wants to move, you should have done your homework before you bought.

The splitting of grade schools is not as damaging as splitting middle schools. Would like to hear less whining about split grade schools. Rarely do kids keep their first grade friends through senior year, much less sixth grade. Sympathy to Still/Scullen splits.

Equal future high schools? How come only one will have a "freshman center" (NVHS) which is has been previously paraded to BE THE BEST, "SAFEST" AND ONLY WAY to transition ninth graders to high school.

To the people out there that keep saying this isn't about property values - True everyone's property values are suffering through this economy, but some neighborhoods will potentially drop more because the next buyer does not want their kids shipped across town for school. People who live in 204 and do not have kids in these schools, should still be concerned unless you plan to never sell your house. I wouldn't buy in Brighton Ridge if I had to move. Nice neighborhood, but not for working parents trying to get kids back & forth.

Stonebridge - all happy and a bit quieter these days, I am sure. Didn't want the third school until it was in their back yard, and yet they belittled Tallgrass for wanting the same thing. Difference is Tallgrass bought their homes with their schools in their back yard and Stonebridge bought their homes knowing where their high school was (WVHS. That's not fair.

School's don't make test scores. Students contribute the test scores. You move the students around, move the test scores around. Grade schools, parents, and opportunities form the foundation for those scores, not the high schools. WVHS will have higher test scores with the new feeder neighborhoods.

The new boundaries do not make geographic sense which is what the community was most concerned about through the referendum process.

"Just so you know, when they say both HS are in academic watch, it just means that the test scores are fluctuating. It means the test scores don't improve every year. Example; A school with a perfect 100 percent score and then gets a 99 percent score a schoolyear later is considered academic watch. so i really don't beleive thats the biggest fish in the frying pan right now."

Posted by: Yep | February 15, 2008 05:32 PM

That's good to know...so really, comparing any of these elementary schools to one another is a moot point because they are ALL fluctuating year to year . A "lowest achieving" this year may not be next year.. Well, that's one less thing to worry about!! :)

For the moderator:

I think it would be best to omit posts such as the preceding submission from "Heidi".It is 100% INCORRECT and only adds to the animosity directed toward a small minority of Tall Grass citizens that REPEATEDLY attempt to give their neighborhood a bad name.

These comment do not reflect an entire neighborhood. I'm actually surprised that more people aren't attempting to make this clear!


Note from host:

We're allowing it because we have no reason to believe it's anything other than one person's authentic opinion, however misinformed that person may be.

This website is shocking. I am amazed at how immature and petty people in and out of Naperville can be. I am hoping I never meet any of you.

This issue is about WHAT IS BEST FOR THE KIDS, PERIOD.

#1. Schools are for children. They need to have an enviroment that is helpfull for them both academically and emotionally.

#2. Parents are very important to help children in both of these areas also.

I am a resident in Tallgrass. I have been for seven years. I will die here. I love Naperville, I love my neighborhood, I love to see my children happy. This is the BEST place I have ever lived in my life. I AM NOT MOVING, EVER! I am saddened by what I have read here today. We need to remember that we are blessed to live in the U.S., have food for our family, have good educations (whatever schools we end up at).

That being said I will state I would prefer going to Neuqua. Why? Because it takes me five minutes to drive there. Because my children want to go there with their friends, and are involved in after school running, year book club, band, chorus. We are all ways running back and forth to school. Am I selfish to want this? Maybe so, but you can't blame me. Would you not want this for your family?

However, I do realize as I have always heard, you can't fight city hall. Does that mean I won't try? NO!

Does that mean you wouldn't try if it was you being told to attend a school thats 35-40 minutes away from your home instead of the school that's 5 minutes away?

Am I leaving if I don't get my way? NO. Why? Because I want WHAT IS BEST FOR MY CHILDREN. They have friends, they love it here. I would love for them to remain with their friends and go to Scuellen, and then Neuqua. But I know things happen for a reason and usually for the best. So deep in my heart I am certain this will all work out for the best what ever that is.

And yes, I will be there Tuesday. And yes, I will voice my opinion.

Reading this blog and hearing the comments that are in ALL neighborhoods is very discouraging! What have any of you done to make the community as a whole better? Who has reached across the boundary line to find out what REALLY happens in the other schools? Yes, WVHS has AP and honors classes...just like NVHS. Yes there are behavior problems at NVHS...just like WVHS. Yes there is a police presence at NVHS...just like WVHS. Only when EVERYONE starts to think about the community as a whole, not just think of themselves, will we ever move forward and correct what is the systemic problem here. We are ALL at fault for creating this mess by not thoughtfully considering all possible outcomes of any election, referendum or change to our community. PLEASE, for the sake of all of us, work together and solve the problem, don't just complain about it!

to heidi:
Please check your facts before speading these untruths! If you look at the course selection page on BOTH high school websites, you'll notice they offer the EXACT same courses. In terms of honors and AP classes, here are the specific number of honors and ap classes offered: Art 2, business 2,english 4, language 3, math 9,music 4, science 7, soc. studies 8. If, as you say, wvhs doesn't offer ap and honors classes, please explain why last years' wvhs valedictorian is currently on the deans' list with a top univerisity as a JUNIOR!

From: Ed Dalton
Sent: Fri 2/15/2008 9:38 AM
To: Suzanne Hart
Cc: Mindy Munn
Subject: School District #204


Commissioner Hart,
Good morning. As per your request after last nights Board Meeting, I have attached my correspondence to School District #204 in regards to the maintenance of the pedestrian bridge that is to be built over Route 59.
As you are aware the bridge has not yet been built and the Park District was not informed by the School District that they intended to use this as a pedestrian route for their students’ verses busing the students to Neuqua High School as they currently do. With the information available to us we categorized the bridge as a secondary priority.
We are asked periodically by residents and both School District # 203 and #204 to add additional areas to our primary snow routes and all requests are evaluated and considered. We would welcome a request from School District #204 to have the bridge added to our primary snow removal route. We currently have crews clearing the parking lots at Frontier for the students to park so this request can be easily accommodated.

Ed Dalton
Parks Director
320 W. Jackson Avenue
Naperville, Illinois 60540
Tel: 630-848-5037
Fax:630-848-5043
edalton@napervilleparks.org

I think that the truth is that WV isn't as strong as NV. It's true that WV has many disadvantages, but when if comes down to what we want for our children, we do want the better school. Neuqua offers a wide selection of AP and honors classes, whereas Waubonsie does not. And it's only practical for Tall Grass to go to Neuqua. People in Tall Grass are not angry because Waubonsie is an older school. They simply want what is best for their children, and that seems to be Neuqua. People in Tall Grass are hard working and good people. They're not "spoiled" thinking that their children only deserve what is best because they have more money than others (in fact many people don't have an abundance of money). Is it so wrong for others to want their children to be successful? Students who go to Waubonsie may also be successful. So, it is true that perhaps it doesn't make a difference. But really...isn't Neuqua what seems to be reasonable for the people that really could walk there?

Lisa,
I do beleive you are correct about how school age doesn't effect test scores entirely, but I think that you should be worried about YOUR CHILD'S score-- not the school's score. So if your child does fall in the "below average" percentile, then you should be worried. However, as long as your child is meeting/exceeding, the school's average has nothing to do with it.

To anon | February 15, 2008 02:35 PM:

Just so you know, when they say both HS are in academic watch, it just means that the test scores are fluctuating. It means the test scores don't improve every year. Example; A school with a perfect 100 percent score and then gets a 99 percent score a schoolyear later is considered academic watch. so i really don't beleive thats the biggest fish in the frying pan right now.

vicki,
forget about me reading that book, maybe you just started reading period...

Sorry moderator for such comments but this lady seems to have a big problem.

I would like to urge all bloggers to turn it down a notch, if that's possible. This thing is turning into a free-for-all with all kinds of name-calling, baiting and personal invective. Please try to keep it civilized. Thanks - now go back to fighting with one another.

To: Parent currently inconvenienced by boundaries. As I said to MV, if your children have been doing this for 8 years then when you purchased your home you were assigned the closest high school which sounds like it was WV. You bought your home with that fact already known, WV was the closest school. And you had every reasonable expectation that your children would attend. Why do you find it unreasonable that we are upset because we are being sent to the 3rd farthest school from our home. How would you feel if your children were being sent to Neuqua? I'm sure you would have something to say. As for your neighbors who go to Batavia. They bought their homes knowing that it wasn't in this school district, they had a choice and choose to buy there, so no argument you make about them going to Batavia holds water because they made their own choice.

Lisa,
I don't mean to pick on you but you really need to go back and read your own posts. They speak for themselves. Re-read the responses from the SB to your questions and submissions.

"Clearly inequities in the building structure" speaks volumes.I have kids at WV and I have to tell you that we have never discussed the poor building structure at WV once:) We've discussed calculus problems and the impact of the Turkish Dynasty on Rome in the 1600's, however.
The third h.s. spreads out the so called lower achieving schools period.Currently, they are all at WV and my kids and many others are doing awesome! Frankly, we may have "bigger fish to fry" as it seems that currently both of our H.S.'s are on ACADEMIC WATCH....

Lisa,

Could it be that part of the reason WV's tests scores are lower is b/c currently ALL 4 of the lowest schools are going to WV? WV has been compared(academically) unfairly this whole time to NV without any of these facts being considered. I don't remember the SB trying to split those 4 schools between WV and NV when they did the boundaries last time before NV opened.

Also, comparing 203 to 204 is like comparing apples to oranges, they are 2 totally different designed curriculums k-12, and frankly 203's design is better than 204.

Hey MH,

Check the news for the explosion in South Texas today and tell me again how safe pipelines are.

They are a 'known proven hazard'.

Issues related to splitting will detract from learning. Ask any professional psychologist, school counselor, HALL MONITOR or even parent that cares about self-esteem and school pride. Splitting MS students, no matter what district, high school, or area of the country, presents operational problems and conflict within the student body. It's NOT harmless and it is VERY relevant to a boundary decision
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I keep seeing comments about splitting over and over and how horrible it will be to the students. I grew up with the same situation going to school right outside Chicago. It was a fact of life, you may not go k-12 with the same group of kids the whole time. The only people that got that were the private school kids. This is why we made friends in the area we lived, we knew those were the kids we would most likely stay with all the years. What happens after graduation? Does everyone go to the same college? I was lucky I knew one person from my high school at the college I went to.

And I will have to say it was a good thing for me to separate after 8th grade. I went from being average in middle school to honors level all because of the different high school I went to. I didn't become emotionally scarred because I was no longer with half of my classmates. Luckily we had a phone in my house that I could use to call my friends that I didn't see in the hallways anymore. Or I kept in touch through activities we were still involved with.

On high school days, we were proud to show the different schools we would go to. Or perhaps that's the real problem here. If the perception is given that going to WV means you are going to the lesser school, then that's the real issue. If students are aware that both schools really are an equal education, then perhaps we won't have the rivalries that everyone continues to mention. And the only way we can clarify that issue is in the homes. If we as parents continue to show negativity towards one school over the other, why should we expect anything less when we see it in our children?

I don't see the boundaries changing, so now is our time as parents to make the best of it and explain to our kids that no matter what school they will go to they will receive a fantastic experience and education. I think we may be underestimating the children, I'm willing to bet they are stronger and more understand that we perceive.

Lisa,
That's an altruistic statement about moving the low performing schools evenly throughout the district, but if you are at one of those schools, I believe geography comes in play before test scores.

Dear Anonymous,

Since the beginning of the referendum for a third high school, I have been involved and concerned about the academic performance of the district. There are clear inequities both in building structure and in academic performance. I don't see how simply constructing a new high school is solving the academic issue? These statistics are a matter of public record and are taken from the Illinois State Report Card. http://iirc.niu.edu

Neuqua continually ranks higher than Waubonsie according to the Illinois State Report Card. 64% of Waubonsie's students meet or exceed standards while 73% of the Neuqua students meet or exceed. By the way... it should also be noted that 80% of students meet or exceed standards in our sister high schools in district 203 and their facilities are clearly older structures.

I firmly believe that it's the students who make the school. I emphasize that my point is - I do not want to see this community miss the opportunity to create three great equitable high schools and improve the overall performance of the district. I do not feel that it is equitable to have three of the four lowest performing schools going to any one high school whether it be Metea, Waubonsie or Neuqua.

Lisa

Anonymous,
I actually think you missed MY point. Where was the concern BEFORE your kids were going to WV? I actually agreed that now is the time to address some academic differences on a whole but for the most part, that's already being done by the addition of a 3rd high school. I don't happen to think that there are any other "inequities" between our current two high schools...do you?

Anonymous,
I actually think you missed MY point. Where was the concern BEFORE your kids were going to WV? I actually agreed that now is the time to address some academic differences on a whole but for the most part, that's already being done by the addition of a 3rd high school. I don't happen to think that there are any other "inequities" between our current two high schools...do you?

In reply to the person who posted a reply to Lisa (Steve) I think you have missed the point. We do not have a problem with Waubonsie. The point is that the administration has an opportunity to make all three schools academically equitable and correct the inequities of the past.

The current recommendation of the administration is both concerning and disturbing.

The district has made numerous errors over the last several years
concerning a third high school.
However eventually logic prevailed and reasonable
goals led to reasonable boundaries and a successful referendum.
Unfortunately the original site fell apart after that.
It seems that we now have an administration, under time pressure, that has rushed to put forward a proposal of building a school
in a portion of the district with no growth and a boundary
system that ignores all of the original guiding principals.

1. It seems to divide students from multiple middle schools.
2. It fails to equally divide the lowest academically performing
schools, ie. WV with 3, MV with 1, and NV with NONE.

How will the school board explain to the parents of children attending WV, they will be in the most dated facility with the
highest number of lowest performing schools?

Gombert - 79.5% Waubonsie
Georgetown- 81% Waubonsie
McCarty- 80% Waubonsie
Longwood- 77% Metea

These four schools deserve special consideration as they are in a different category than the rest of the schools in the district that are all in the 90+% These figures are taken from the Illinois State Report Card http://iirc.niu.edu

If the school board bases the academic imbalance on geography there are unfortunately a lot of geographical imbalances. Just to name a few:
Owen is geographically closer to Waubonsie.
Frye is geographically closer to Neuqua.

How does the school board intend to support a plan that does not even attempt to comply with its original goals?

IS THIS A WELL THOUGHT OUT AND EQUITABLE PLAN?

If these are the boundaries the school board plans to approve and move forward with, I hope the school board has enough capital for the foreseeable future as I'm sure most people feel they were deceived in the last referendum and will never vote for another one.

I hope the school board takes the time and carefully base it's decisions on the original objectives of THREE EQUAL HIGH SCHOOL. Not on the administration's rush TO GET IT DONE.


To those of you that are not happy with some boundary changes that may be less convenient... are you aware that there are current less than convenient boundaries for some Dist. 204 residents?

I live in the far NW of the district. The kids in my neighborhood from Kindergarden through 5th grade are driven past Brooks to a Young -- a school that is 5.8 miles from our home. Our school bus picks the kids up 50 minutes prior to the start of the school day. We have been doing this for more than 8 years and under the new boundaries will continue to do so. You might think that this upsets me but it does not. I realize the district has to do what it needs to do to distribute attendance to the different schools based on occupancy among other things. I was told we were building in District 204. I was not promised which facilities my kids would go. I've learned to live with the inconvenience. They are receiving a quality education at Young and have adjusted just fine.

If it is of great concern for the kids to go to the closest school then I would imagine you would be supportive of the location of the new high school. The high school kids in my neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods have been traveling upwards of 9 miles to high school for many years. Why is it that some people do not want to see themselves inconvenienced but are OK with others being inconvenienced on a much greater scale?

Interestingly, also, is that half of our neighborhood is in Kane County. The Kane County kids go to Batavia schools. Several people don't go to the same schools as their next door neighbors. I will tell you that our kids have adjusted just fine.

I understand all of your concerns because I am currently living such inconviences however I'd just like to say fron my own experience that everything works out just fine and everyone adapts.

PS - I have difficulty getting my teenager to walk less than a half mile to church once a week. If you truly think your kids are going to do the 1+ mile walk rain or shine, I think you should have a reality awakening.


Lisa (Steve),
I do see your point about making things "equitable" among the schools.

Just curious, did you present any of this information to the board when your children were slated to go to Neuqua? Were you just as concerned about maximizing academic strength at WV?
Do you happen to know how many of the six "lowest achieving" schools are at Waubonsie now?

My children attend WV now and I do not sense any inequity currently. My kids receive the same AP/Honors curriculum, activities and extracurriculars as their friends at NV. AS I stated in a much earlier post, the fact that WV has a slightly statistically lower ACT AVERAGE did not deter my kid from getting a 35(or many others with top scores including the occasional perfect 36 every few years).
Our hallways are not nearly as congested, our cafeteria has a much smoother flow than the atrium design at NV and quite frankly our equipment, computers and athletic facilities are very equitable...granted, not as new but perfectly functional. FAR superior to many of the schools that we travel to for athletic events! I would invite you to walk through both schools (as I have) and I do think you may be surprised....

I acknowledge that now is the time to improve some areas as a district but only if it truly benefits the children involved. I do agree that it seems logical to send Owen to WV but that means switching someone else out.It's a tough situation. My point is, don't believe everything you hear ....I will admit I heard comments regarding differences between NV and WV before my kids attended H.S. and have been so pleasantly surprised at the reality when I saw it for myself!

Wow! I could only read 5 posts and laugh! Mayor Pradel are you listening to your #1 happy community? I think we were voted the best place to raise our children. It doesn't sound like we are very happy citizens and are doing what is best for our children. I have taught in 203 and 204 and think what the school board in 204 is doing is crazy! Can they sleep at night? I'm glad I am not making the decision for the next 50 to 100 years! We are already down sizing our elementary schools and having empty classrooms, hence why Dasher is putting in all day Kindergarten. Is a third high school really needed? I voted NO!!

I agree with Big Mike about "Patronizing Vicki's" rude comments. Vicki can keep her REPEATED sarcasm and sinicism off the blog - it does nothing.

Splitting a MS brings problems that have NOT been discussed! It's not something to "take a deep breath about", because that does what? Nothing. It's a serious conflict to PUT ON THE TABLE NOW so it can be MANAGED or PREVENTED.

At least k9cool was presenting some FORETHOUHT on issues that the Board SHOULD HAVE anticipated BEFORE considering a split MS, no mater WHERE in the district it may be. There are many communication issues, perception issues and rivalry issues Scullen WILL face with splitting students to different HS.

From another Sun blog, Anonymous writes:
"The person mentioning the potential conflicts in splitting a middle school is anticipating future issues - which as a whole our school board has continually failed to do!

Evidently schools like Scullen will have to have EQUAL time for both Waubansie and Neuqua Valley to speak to future students. My daughter went to Still Middle School and subsequently was moved to Scullen. The year that she was there, there were great divisions and rivalry among the students who were going to be moving to another school. Splitting the middle schools is a prescription for disaster and short sightedness. WE know this will create difficulties.

The board itself has always professed that they would only do this as a last resort. It has always been unaccepted by neighborhoods in the district. It has nothing to do with kids meeting new kids and making new friends. AS an aside, while Still was a very good school, with excellent teachers, there were many fights - none at Scullen. Why would that be?

Further, the school board is NOT accomplishing what they suggest to be their goals. THere is no equality among each of the high schools and this is a key opportunity to do just that. Students in our neighborhood (WE) will go to Waubansie according to this plan. Had the plan been more equally balanced, I would have been fine with it, however it is not. Equalize the schools, do not split the middle schools and there will be a lot less dissention. Amazing that this site for Matea miraculously appeared right after Brach Brody was no longer an option.
Posted by: annonymous | February 15, 2008 12:14 AM"

Well said.
Issues related to splitting will detract from learning. Ask any professional psychologist, school counselor, HALL MONITOR or even parent that cares about self-esteem and school pride. Splitting MS students, no matter what district, high school, or area of the country, presents operational problems and conflict within the student body. It's NOT harmless and it is VERY relevant to a boundary decision.

Dear MH,

I do not believe that the Macom site or the landfill site are safe places for a school either due to the RR, Substation and Landfill. We certainly agree there.

As far as AME/MWGEN, Pipelines are dangerous, Railroads are dangerous. Accidents happen.

Believe it or not, the NTSB has a section devoted to both categories of accidents.

Pipelines: http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/P_Acc.htm
RailRoads: http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/R_Acc.htm

If pipelines, railroads and electrical substations and high voltage lines were safe, there would be no need to put DANGER signs and labels all around them. Each thing I listed has deaths that occur each year due to their dangers.

Building a school in a location that has so many of these all together in the same spot is negligent and irresponsible.

To Vicki:

Your response to K9Kool.... :

("take a deep breath, it will be okay. I'm patting you on the back right now. Life is not over. I promise, you will make it through this. I think? I feel like I am consoling someone who is getting a divorce.")

...is patronizing and divisive. You are basically turning up your nose and saying that K9Kool is acting unreasonable, irrational, and childish.

I put forth that you are the one meeting those criteria. Oh, and who is the divisive one in this equation?

Arch,

The AME property is probably safer than the mess many wanted on the south end of the district (with a landfill on it!). There are no known, proven hazzards at this site. It sounds like you are trying to find some, though.

To MV

To answer your question "why is the commute such a big deal now". I don't know when you bought your house but more than likely when you did, you did so with the understanding that WV was the closest high school. You didn't have a choice. If you wanted to live where you do, your children would have a journey to WV, that was the closest high school. You knew at the time you moved there that there would be a commute and that there would be drive time on your part and you still moved there. That was a choice you made. I live in the Villages, we are one of only a couple of Aurora subdivisions that feed into Owen. When I built my house WV was my only option too, 2.93 miles. When NV was built, 4.56 miles, WV was still my only option because the dividing line between WV & NV was 4 blocks away and WV was the closest school. My children under the new boundaries are set to go to Metea, 7.50 miles. Now tell me how is that fair. I built my house with the same understanding that you did "my children will attend high school at the closest high school". My children have to pass WV on their bus ride to MV, which will not be the "estimated 35 minutes". I fully understand your commute to WV, we have had to do it for years to Owen. However a homeowner (just like you) in the Villages should have a reasonable expectation that their children will attend the nearest high school. Why should my children attend the third farthest school from my house? How would you feel if your children had to attend Neuqua? The third farthest school from your house. I'm sure the commute would be a bid deal then and you would be singing a different tune.

I am not trying to hijack this thread/blog so let me say that up front, but with regards to the comment that pipelines crossing back and forth our entire metro area, I think you need to take a look at this:

http://rapidshare.com/files/88396325/MWGEN-pipelines.pdf.html

While I do not disagree with you about there being a larger than average amount in the Chicagoland area compared to other areas of the country this shows that they are of significant size and volume to be noted on this map. The distribution networks are not because they are relatively small in volume and far less pressure. The transit ones shown on the link above are many orders of magnitude more dangerous in any similar accident scenario because of the higher volumes and higher pressures. A gas line in your house is somewhere in the neighborhood of 1-2 inches. There is a 36 inch one by the MWGEN property. The one in your house operates at a few psi. The ones by the MWGEN property tend to operate at several hundred PSI. Do the math.

Other hazards surrounding the site include a railroad with a siding that is going to see increased traffic and high voltage lines bordering the north and east sides of the property. Add in a very large substation (electric junction) just off the north-east corner and you have yourself a winner.

The relevance to boundaries is that I think they should have anyone who wants to attend a shiny new school at that location go there. Anyone who doesn't for whatever reason, shouldn't have to. We all have different comfort levels of acceptable risk. This property happens to be beyond my own. Add in the fact that a few areas are being sent there when it is the 3rd farthest HS location from their area and it just compounds the error even further. If the ones close by love it and are all in support of the location, great. Enjoy it. But don't send my kids to the farthest school of the three because the location itself (not including hazards) is crappy that they have trouble actually filling it with students.

Mark,
Thanks for your feedback. I do have a question regarding your numbers. When I look look at the IL State Report Card, it indicates that the lowest performing schools are:

Gombert - 79.5%
Longwood- 77%
Georgetown- 81%
McCarty- 80%


These four schools deserve special consideration as they are in a different category than the rest of the schools who are all in the 90+%. If your stated objective is to balance the schools then sending 3 of the 4 academically lowest performing schools to any one high school truly doesn't make sense. Further, Neuqua does not have any of the four schools in this category. As for geography, there are unfortunately a lot of imbalances.

I look forward to your reply.

Lisa

Mark Metzger wrote:
Don't read this as combative, just pondering. Is the Metea group going to be troubled by sending 4 of the six lowest
performing schools to them? Won't they call that imbalanced?


I really do see your point, but my guess is that the administration's
thinking was, in part, that two of the three schools that give you some
concern (McCarty and Georgetown) both walk to Waubonsie (the only part
of McCarty that doesn't walk to Waubonsie doesn't present much of an
academic challenge, to select another euphemism). The third, Gombert,
would literally be bussed right past Waubonsie, which also doesn't make
sense.

My guess -- and that's all it is at this point -- is that the
administration recognizes the issue, but believes the fixes create even
worse problems.

I know that's true with the East Owen part that everyone is struggling
with, and I know it's true with the Fry Middle School split.

m2

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:12:47 -0800 (PST)
Dear Alka,
Thanks for responding so quickly as I know you must be fielding
many inquiries. Just to emphasize... if the goal is to "maximize
academic strength, minimize splits that any one student will
experience and minimize transportation time/costs" then it would s
seem that moving one of the lower performing schools out of Waubonsie a
and replacing it with Owen seems like a rational/desirable tweak to the proposed boundaries.

Owen is geographically closer to Waubonsie and is slated to attend
Still. Instead of having them attend Metea, why not put them at
Waubonsie where the rest of their middle school will be going? In
their place at Metea you can move one of the lower academically
performing schools.

In summary, I fail to see how putting 3 of the 4 lowest
academically performing schools (according to the Illinois State
Report Card) into one high school is equitable and achieves the
desired goals.

Thank you again for your time and consideration.

Lisa

Alka Tyle wrote:

Dear Lisa, thanks for writing.
I will get back to you. Just wanted
you to know that I am not ignoring you.

regards,
alka

February 12, 2008

Dear Board Members,

As an 18 year resident of Naperville I am pleased to see that we
are building a third high school. I now think that the
administration and board has the obligation/opportunity as stated
in your Boundary Process Memo of January 29th to maximize the academic strength of our three high schools and to make the district equitable to all.
However, before that can happen it’s my opinion that we have to state the facts…

Neuqua and Waubonsie are not equitable schools.

They are structurally different.
Neuqua is much newer and state of the art. It has and will
continue to have a freshman campus and much better flow to its
footprint. A modern Metea will obviously be superior to both
existing high school stuctures.

The ACT test scores are not equitable.
Neuqua continually ranks higher than Waubonsie according to
the Illinois State Report Card
64% of Waubonsie’s students meet or exceed standards while 73% of Neuqua’s. It should also be noted that 80% of students meet or
exceed standards in our sister high schools in district 203.


The performance at the elementary school varies greatly.
According to the Illinois report card the lowest performing
schools are:
Elementary School

McCarty80%
Gombert80%
Georgetown 81%
Longwood 78%

Does it truly make sense to have three of the four lowest performing elementary schools feeding into one high school? Is that academic equality?


We can continue to pretend that we have equal schools in this
district or we can take the opportunity to address the inequities
as we move forward with the boundary discussions and construction of Metea.

I urge the board to provide more money to Waubonsie for upgrades
to make the facilities more equitable among all three schools.


There doesn’t seem to have been much consideration given to the fact that many of the areas that are slated to go to Waubonsie and to a lesser extent Neuqua are still to be built while
Metea will serve a more mature area with no growth a more
mature area with no growth. Wouldn’t it make sense to allow room for growth?

Most of all, I urge the board to carefully consider the academic
performance when setting the boundaries. I don’t think it makes
sense to send three of the four lowest performing elementary
schools to one high school. Just a suggestion but… why not move McCarty to Metea and Owen to Waubonsie?

I do think it’s the students who make the school not the school who makes the students. However, in the current environment it
would seem that those who will attend Waubonsie are at a disadvantage on all fronts.

I welcome your response and am available to discuss further should
you desire.

Lisa

Unless I'm missing something the overwhelming sentiment that is being expressed... even though most posters are too polite to come right out and say it is this... I don't have a problem with the high school boundaries if I happen to live within either NV or MV.

Fact is there hasn't been a single post where anyone has come out and said... fantastic, my kids now will get to go to WV.

Hopefully none of us are shallow enough to believe that a brand new building has anything to do other than to help support a quality education. Since WV is the original and oldest high school it also has the most experience and the most tenured teachers.

So if the building doesn't matter. And if the most experienced teachers don't matter. What exactly is it about the perception that exists at WV that the vast majority of parents choose to avoid it like the plague?

If you doubt that this perception exists, I suggest a simple poll. Let every adult resident cast their vote for one of the 3 high schools as their preferred choice to send their children. What do you think the results of such a poll would indicate? Which school would be picked first? second? third? and WHY?

Until we all understand the reasons why the perceptions about WV exist, nothing can or will be done to change the image of this school.

SP,

If you haven't already, read the book, "The Millionaire Next Door".

Even just skim over it.

You'll get it then.

Good Night

Vicki,
Looks like you do have a serious problem with your home and your attitude! You seem to have a big.. problem with TG people but why? Do you think anyone cares about your thoughts on the land where TG is built. Looks like you are miffed about something maybe the small house.
Why is there such a big uproar over the fact that Fry parents want their kids to got to a school nearby. I think we have a right to be angry about it and make comments. At least we are not forcing our thoughts on other people just expressing our concerns. Hope the SB is reading them.

Lisa,

I really think your comment to MH is meant for me. It was sarcastic to say Neuqua is the promised land. Thats exactly what it was sarcastic. I am comfortably in the Neuqua boundaries. The point is stop making Neuqua out to be more than what it is. If you research my previous posts. I hope to be out before my kids have to attend Neuqua. I don't want them going to an overcrowded and overhyped school. Regarding my small house, no I'm not jealous of Tall Grass residents. I just like the fact that I live below my means yet get the same (or in your own mind more) of the benefits for less. I talk to my neighbors which we are the only 3 original owners on left on our block and laugh at people like you and our other neighbors who moved to bigger and so called better. We are very comfortable and because I choose not to show my income by the size of my house is something to pat myself on the back about. No cc debt, no car note, a few years left on the mortgage. You jealous yet? I got what I paid for, did you?

To MH,

Your post above sounds hateful. First of all Neuqua is not the promised land. I live in Tall Grass and could go either way. I am glad my kids will be going to WVHS. I am all for smaller class sizes. Neuqua will still have 1000 kids in each class which I am not thrilled about. I see lots of opportunity with a smaller school for my children. My only problem currently is that I am not happy with split middle schools. For the record Route 59 by Tall Grass is a four lane road. The speed limit is 45 miles per hour and there is a pedestrian stop light across with side walks. 95th street is also four lane and the speed limit is 40 miles per hour. Just a FYI. Also, I am glad you are content with your small house and tax bill. What is your point? Are you jealous or are you just a angry person? Also, moving is very expensive and it is not a choice if you do not have the finances.


My children live in Butterfield, one of the longest commutes now. Yes, it is sometimes a pain, but really, its not that big of a deal. They are home at around 3 and they don't mind the commute - really! They love their school (even though it is Neuqua's ugly sister according to most people on this blog). I frequently drive them to school and its really not an issue. Also, they are in sports and there is an activity bus that takes them home. Why is the commute such a big deal now? My kids do it everyday and they don't mind. I don't mind. All of our neighborhood got over the commute and dealt with it.

(I will admit I feel bad for the Owens area, they will have a longer commute but I don't understand why TG is throwing such a fit...)

Arch,

Pipelines cross back and forth across our entire metro area. These are utilities and they have legal easements. The school building could not be built directly over a pipeline for a whole bunch of reasons... common sense and basic safety just for starters.

Is there a potential risk with a pipeline running across your property. Absolutely. Is it something so inherently dangerous that you should lay awake at night. No!

What troubles me more than the pipeline is the lies the SB told to all of us years ago when they told us that BB was the only site worth considering. Anyone who is halfway familiar with the boundaries of the school district knew full well there were other viable sites. Other viable sites include all of the ones recently discussed as well as a few others that were not discussed.

Paramount to any discussion of viable sites is an understanding of exactly how much land is required for a high school campus. There are many ways to minimize the size of the footprint required for a high school campus. By the SB choosing a site with 87 acres is far from being cutting edge on land utilization. Consider this: 1 acre = 43,560 sq ft. times 87 acres divided by 3000 students = 1,263 sq ft per student...! Holy jeepers, back in the '60s that was the size of the average HOUSE in US. Now we need that much space per student at a high school campus? Tell me the SB is only buying 87 acres because that is the total of what is for sale.... that they intend to sell off a bunch of it to other developers and lower the true net cost to the taxpayers don't they... yea right.

The other truth that wasn't told is that it is perfectly legal for the SB to build a new HS outside the boundaries of the school district. If you considered parcels within 1 mile of the school district boundaries the number of potential sites would more than double.

The only problem with a site outside the school district boundary is that the SB would not be able to exercise eminent domain and instead would need to negotiate in good faith with the existing land owners... much like each of us had to do when we purchased our own homes. Of course BB is an excellent example of the value of good faith negotiations versus the power of eminent domain. BB is also an excellent example of the value our SD got from having MM, a lawyer, elected as our SB president. If MM was the last lawyer left on the face of the earth (that is a refreshing thought from another perspective) and my dog got in trouble I think I would rather throw the poor pooch on the mercy of the court than let MM represent it.

Neither the facts not the truth is necessarily what the SB has tried to lead us to believe what it is. I for one give the current SB members a vote of NO CONFIDENCE.

In the past 22 years, my career has taken my family to ten different states. In every instance, the first thing we did was to scout out the 'best' school district within an hour's commute to my office. We not only considered the best district but the schools within that district we wanted our three children to attend. We did this for two reasons...so the children would get the best education available and, in doing so, we also guaranteed a good 'resale' for the home we knew we would leave behind because 'location, location, location' is the priority for the majority when purchasing a home.

That is exactly why we built a home in Penncross Knoll, tucked inside of Tallgrass...reputation of the school district and the proximity to Fry, Scullen and Neaqua.

This is the first time in 20 years we have ever witnessed such a ridiculous SB decision, not only on the actual need for another high school but the location of the 3rd high school, and now even worse yet, the boundary decision. Just how are the students bused from our 'walking distance' location to Neaqua supposed to actively participate in extracurricular high school activities meant to be ‘part of the high school’ experience when their 'ride' home leaves after classes end?

Footbridge over Route 59 isn't safe???? Wake up!!!

To think the school district has managed to persuade this number of residents to vote to satisfy their whims and power trip is shocking. Where does this end????

Naperville can kiss their coveted 'ranking' goodbye!

Some of the comments from posters about Tallgrass residents are shocking. What is wrong with success...having worked hard to improve or achieve a certain standard of living. It wouldn't hurt for more to set achievement as a goal, would it! More power to them!


to "K9cool"

take a deep breath, it will be okay. I'm patting you on the back right now.

Life is not over. I promise, you will make it through this. I think?

I feel like I am consoling someone who is getting a divorce.

Here are just a handful of reasons why Splitting is negative and travel time in the new boundary PROPOSAL is a problem -
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Fry attendance area, as "PROPOSED" (not decided, right?), would attend Scullen Middle School with 2 other elementary schools - Those 2/3 of their Scullen classmates go on to NV and only Fry goes to WV. Put yourself in the position of losing 2/3 of your friends and classmates - It's wrong to take young teens and tell them their old friends are gone and that it doesn't matter - to just "start over". It's like saying "live with it" - it's inherently wrong if it's avoidable, which it is.

Also - where will Scullen's loyalty lie? An honest couple of scenarios - Starting in 2009, Does Scullen continue to play their fundraiser softball game against a MS that attends NV or against a MS in the WV attendance area? Whatever they choose, is it perceived as fair? And does the game now take place at a field near NV or near WV? The choice will send a message.

Does Fry... or even Scullen.... participate in Fine Arts Fair at NV or at WV? And for families with kids at both Fry and Scullen... let's see... how can families participate if they have performances at both HS's?

So... does Scullen invite the NV WildScats to perform at its assemblies anymore? Does Scullen encourage kids to stay involved in the arts OR do they NOT invite the WildScats anymore because 1/3 of the kids can't aspire to be WildScats because they're going to a different school.

Does Scullen send out announcements about summer camps at NV? Or WV? Equally or not? Does Scullen post any info about NV's Pom squad fundraisers or for NV cheerleading camps anymore? OR do they exclude anything that's not fair and equitable to both high schools?

How does Scullen manage "Spirit Wear" days where kids are supposed to proudly wear their HS colors.... or possibly NOT be able to HAVE Spirit wear days because of possibly rivalry? Even unintentionally, how does a split middle school NOT appear to slight one group in favor of another, period.

AND THEN, how do 1/3 of the Scullen kids develop school pride when they are constantly reminded of how they are DIFFERENT.

Another reason to NOT send the 1/3 of Scullen (Fry area) to WV is the 33 minute ESTIMATED bus RIDE TIME from Fry Elementary. Even 33 minutes is a joke,and it is ONLY the estimated RIDE TIME - does it EVEN include the time at the stops? It has to be the LEAST possible time estimate on the table, NOT worst case scenario. It's a bus ride with probably 10+ kids at each bus stop loading and unloading, traveling miles over both highly-trafficked, 45 MPH major throughways at rush hour, AND through 25 MPH residential zones and over train tracks on the way to Eola Rd. In reality, how early will these kids honestly have to get on a bus to school? It's AT LEAST an hour before school, and don't be fooled into thinking it would be anything less. It's "33 minute" nonsense.

Finally, if you were a parent in the Fry attendance area, how often would you allow OR ENCOURAGE any of your kids to participate in extracurriculars if it means you are driving the distance all the time? The younger ones can't be left home alone, and the older ones don't have a bus ride to or from the sport practice or yearbook activity or theatrical group, or club... And it likely takes you, WITH the rest of your family sacrificing their time and doing homework in the back seat of the car, an hour out of the day just to make the round trip. And God forbid if you have to do it both in the AM, and PM. Are you going to ALLOW them those opportunities or instead NOT ALLOW it because of transportation time and issues? Or maybe you decide you will have to let your kids "hang out" around the school grounds between activities waiting for rides. It's not good. "So maybe, son, you can't be in the Spring Musical or on the team anymore." How do you, SB, help parents say you're sorry for that.


Once again The Villages is getting the short end of the stick. If the new boundaries pass, for the second time in 4 years my children will be sent to the furthest school in the district (and from our home). My beef is simple.....proximity. As a taxpayer and homeowner I have a reasonable expectation that my children will be attending the school closest to their home, as I have come to realize that is not the case. The bus times that the district states are grossly underestimated. My children were on a bus to Owen for 30 minutes. The bus route they "claim" to MV will only be 35 minutes. How is that when you are adding another 3-4 miles? I would like to know how many of the SB children will have to attend the school that is furthest away from their home. Although I sympathize with TG, however, your only valid arguement is proximity. The remarks about WV, that your property values will drop (in this market everybodys property values have dropped) and all of the other nasty statements lends credence to the term "Naperville mentality". I think that it is safe to say that our children are getting a great education through this distict, however somebody needs to show the SB an interactive map of the "west" side of Aurora, that shows them traffic and obstacles our children will face when making that "30" minute bus ride.

To MH
33 minutes each way. 33+33=66

Arch,

I'm sure there are many pipelines running straight through the middle of most neighborhoods, even some feet from our backyards. Sure, they should check to make sure they are safe. But, it's not like the AME site is the only area with underground pipelines.

Haven't seen any responses to my post (Feb. 13th at 11:10 AM) so I would appreciate some replies.

Here is an excerpt from it:
"I don't believe there's a single current SB member with any educational background. I've never seen that in any community in which I've lived. Unbelievable. Financial analysts, attorneys and policy experts are important, but a few educators would be helpful.

Everybody's up in arms about the 2009 election and thats fine. But keep in mind that you guys re-elected MM to 4 LONG years, so he's in place until 2011.

I hope everyone who is unhappy with the actions of the SB voted last Spring, but somehow I doubt it..."


I sympathize with those of you facing changes. Change is always a difficult part of life. For those of you who are unhappy, especially the families in Tall Grass, please tell me that you voted in the last School Board election. As many of you keep telling us, TG has over 1000 homes. How many of your neighbors voted? Heck, didn't TG have 2 residents running as challengers against the "status quo" School Board candidates? Why didn't TG residents rally around their neighbors who were running for SB election in April 2007? What happened?!

At least those two challengers had educational backgrounds, so their perspectives may have been entirely different. We'll never know whether those candidates could have improved this mess, but they certainly would have been a breath of fresh air. Presidential elections are important, but we must ALWAYS take the time to vote for our local officials.

Hi Julie,

You state, "The fact is TG is 1.5 miles from NV and 5.7 miles from WV. A 20 minute bus ride vs. a 66 minute bus ride. If you had a choice, which would you choose for your child?"

Your correct in stating IF YOU HAD A CHOICE. You DONT, so the point is?

Oh I'm sorry you do have a choice, move.

I truly believe that some people would have their kids cross a 6 lane highway ( with no bridge)to get to the promised land, I mean Neuqua, because they have some weird hatred for another high school in the same school district based on nothing. Maybe the school board is trying to teach some parents some key life lessons instead of the kids.

to "Get a clue" 2/14 5:05 pm

why would I be a little perturbed, I didn't make the bad decision. I'm very content with my little tax bill, little house, with my little family. I got the same benefits for less money. Now thats a good decision. I'm not ashamed. I refuse to allow my house to grow with our income.


Julie,

If you bus ride to WV is 66 minutes, then it averages 10 miles per hour.

I think not.

You people on the South side (yes I said "you people") continue to amaze me with your comments on this blog. First, you attack a friggin bridge as the reason your kids should go to the school you want. Now, it's back to the 'Northern' site location. Believe it or not, there really are families and schools north of Ogden. Granted, we don't make as much as you, or live in houses as large.

Looking forward to Metea!

For some, the northern site is nothing but a safety issue.

Yes, the commute might suck. Yes, in the School Board's proposal some areas are being sent to the farthest of three high schools from their homes. You know what? None of that matters to me.

What does matter to me is the fact that there are 3 active natural gas pipelines running north and south through the middle of the property and there are another 3 pipelines out by the railroad tracks.

In the January 22 meeting, Our Super only mentioned the pipeline (note the singular term) out by the railroad tracks and then proceeded to downplay any safety issues. Why the mention of only one pipeline out by the railroad tracks and not the mention of the three pipelines that will be running directly under the practice fields and athletic areas, just off the east side of the school building? Was the Administration aware of these pipelines that will be closer to the school building and withheld that information or were they actually clueless about that information? According to our school board president (via an email) he stated that he thought everyone was aware of this.

Does the community know the potential explosive force that will be that close to their shiny new school building?

I am awaiting a Catastrophic Event plan to be release by the Administration that shows us a worst-case scenario (rupture and subsequent explosion) and what their plan is to deal with an event that, God Forbid, we hope will never happen. In that plan needs to be damage assessments from reputable experts of what a worst-case scenerio would look like in terms of property and life loss as well as injury.

This is a school that will hopefully be there for decades to come. How old are those pipelines and what safety assurances, beyond someone telling us "Oh, don't worry your pretty little head, everything will be just fine", are there about accidental and purposeful damage to those pipelines?

I'm sure some will accuse me of trying to 'freak people out' and if it does this to you, then good. You must not have been aware of what will be right next to the school (less than 100-200 feet away).

Anonymous, I like the points you made regarding the amount of land needed for this high school. Is that how Plainfield and Oswego kept their cost down on those beautiful new high schools? Does anyone know what the average amount of acres it takes to build a new high school? That would be great if the SB could use the current 25 acres at BB and maybe purchase a few more acres if needed (like 5-10). I am sure that is more land then either Naperville Central and Naperville North sit on.

To Pal,

The referendum approved raising taxes to collect a specific amount of money. The site, the number of acres, the school sq ft and finishes are all up to the SB. Who actually dug into the numbers to understand what we were buying? For example first we needed 80 acres, now we have 87 acres. Naperville Central sits on a 14 acre campus... and no one questioned WHY we needed so much land. Fact is we could have built a really, really nice campus on the 25 acres we already own.

Let's not forget the SB used their authority to purchase the first 25 acres of BB AFTER the first referendum failed. Under law they could go ahead with all of BB regardless of the price tag and the amount approved by the referendum. Yes they actually could do this and there really isn't much anyone could do to stop them.

Sure it would be political suicide on their part, but we have seen worse, far worse from elected officials.

Their is some good news out there. Hillary is finished!!! Obama is kicking her butt. Now that is something to cheer about.

Time for you all to let this go. Nothing good is going to come of it and the SB and Admin. have made up their mind on this. Why bother with a vote we all know what it is going to be. Take your time to stew over it and then move on. It's not worth getting an ulcer over it.

Go McCain!!!!!

You may consider TG Aurora, but it is not. TG homeowners pay taxes for Naperville, just like everyone else who lives in Naperville.

But here is the real issue - WHY all the negative feelings regarding the residents of TG? What have we done to you all??
Voice our opinion? State concern over the change in school boundaries? Isn't this what we are supposed to do as parents?

Why is it so hard to accept the fact some of the TG residents are unhappy about the boundary change? We have every right to be unhappy. We all bought homes with a walking elementary school, a middle school in the subdivision, and a high school many of us can see from our backyards.

The fact is TG is 1.5 miles from NV and 5.7 miles from WV. A 20 minute bus ride vs. a 66 minute bus ride. If you had a choice, which would you choose for your child?

This is not about which school has a better reputation, this is about commute time. Period.

All the advice I can give to Tall Grass students and parents- I give you sympathy but there are alot worse things that could happen then getting boundaries switched. I know that is a huge let down to the homeowners and is a decision that angered nearly all of the neighborhood,but you have to consider how lucky you are to be living where you are.
Most of you live in 1 million dollar homes. You live in one of the safest cities in the world. You could be living in the Projects in Downtown Chicago with your child going to a terrible, unmotivated, and dangerous school. Some people can't even walk down the street without the fear of getting SHOT. People WISH to go to WVHS. Some people would give their left leg just to live in Naperville, but can't afford it.
And yet we are complaining about going to a great school?
So the bus ride is long? My parents had double your ride and went to a school that was in acedemic warning even when it first opened. There were inner city gangs at my parents hs. Yet, they can afford to send their kids to one of the top noch schools in the country.
So the school is considered "bad" because it's compared to Neuqua?
Most people really don't know what a bad school is in Naperville.
Trust Me, WV is HARVARD to some people in this world. Appreciate what you have because one day, it might be gone.

Question:

"Why would a site be picked at the northern end of the district when there are so many kids on the south end of town?"

Answer:

Because either this school board is on some funky drugs, they are the most horribly stupid people in the world, or they have their own shady agenda. Pick one; I don’t care which. Everything they do is an embarrassment. If they aren't calling meetings and drawing idiotic boundaries based on a site they don't buy, they're mocking their constituents and making their kids travel 10 miles to school when they could hit a golf ball to another school.

Love the comments against White Eagle and Tall Grass on this blog. Seriously, pull your heads out of your collective butts long enough to realize that the residents in these neighborhoods selected them largely based on the proximity and quality of the high school they in some cases can see from their back yard. They have to come to grips that they made a bad decision to select school district 204, pay between $400,000 and $1 million for their house and between $10,000 and $20,000 per year in taxes. Tell me you wouldn’t be a little perturbed by this and I’ll tell you that either you’re a liar or you have some of the same issues I mentioned above for this board.

By the way, I don’t live in either subdivision.

To those of you that are not happy with some boundary changes that may be less convenient... are you aware that there are current less than convenient boundaries for some Dist. 204 residents?

I live in the far NW of the district. The kids in my neighborhood from Kindergarden through 5th grade are driven past Brooks to a Young -- a school that is 5.8 miles from our home. Our school bus picks the kids up 50 minutes prior to the start of the school day. We have been doing this for more than 8 years and under the new boundaries will continue to do so. You might think that this upsets me but it does not. I realize the district has to do what it needs to do to distribute attendance to the different schools based on occupancy among other things. I was told we were building in District 204. I was not promised which facilities my kids would go. I've learned to live with the inconvenience. They are receiving a quality education at Young and have adjusted just fine.

If it is of great concern for the kids to go to the closest school then I would imagine you would be supportive of the location of the new high school. The high school kids in my neighborhood and surrounding neighborhoods have been traveling upwards of 9 miles to high school for many years. Why is it that some people do not want to see themselves inconvenienced but are OK with others being inconvenienced on a much greater scale?

Interestingly, also, is that half of our neighborhood is in Kane County. The Kane County kids go to Batavia schools. Several people don't go to the same schools as their next door neighbors. I will tell you that our kids have adjusted just fine.

I understand all of your concerns because I am currently living such inconviences however I'd just like to say fron my own experience that everything works out just fine and everyone adapts.

PS - I have difficulty getting my teenager to walk less than a half mile to church once a week. If you truly think your kids are going to do the 1+ mile walk rain or shine, I think you should have a reality awakening.

To mixed feelings

you asked "For those families pleased to be in the NVHS zone, how could you be happy that while the ditrict increases the number of high schools by 33%, the projected enrollment of NVHS drops only around 5%? "

My response to you. How can I be happy? I don't know, but I feel like I won the lottery or something. Some in the Tall Grass community make it seem like life is over if my kids don't get to go to Harvard, I mean, Neuqua.

They won't be able to adjust to new friends at a new school. They won't be able to handle a 2 hour bus ride to and from school if moved. Wouldn't you be happy too? Come on, the hallways at Neuqua will still be overcrowded, band will have 3 tiers or 500 members. You'll have to be the best of the best of the best to make the athletic teams. This is the LIFE! I'm so excited! I only have a few more years to move out of Naperville, I don't even want my kids to go overhyped Neuqua.

Tall grass don't forget your roots. You're living on land that was Aurora not too long ago. I still consider it Aurora.

I have spoken with 2 Attorneys who firmly believe that if the SB and the Dist. did not do the appropriate due diligence regarding the sale of the railroad and the impact that would have both on safety and travel times they have a significant problem. The problem is how they represented the location,there could not be a worse location for our district if the sale of the railroad is consummated. There is no way they can put 2 schools west of the tracks with the potential for a 300% increase in train traffic.

Otherwise, I have no problem with the boundaries, and as I said I live in a community that was moved from NV to WV

Mix feelings:
You have to remember that the NV# includes their freshman center.
WV and MV do not / will not have a freshman center.

Here is a strange idea. But, please consider it for a minute. Assume that the SB is truthful when they say they didn't want to spend more than the Referendum amount. That's a responsible stance. However, we now are faced with an alternative that many people feel is worse than the plan at Referendum time (although it will allegedly come in within the Referendum amount). Can a simple question be asked by the SB? Can we just pay an extra $15Million to execute the original BB plan? If the answer came back "No", they they will just proceed with the Eola site anyway (so we're no worse off than we are now). What's the harm in asking? If the answer is that it will cause a delay and MV won't open in 2009, I don't think that's a deal-breaker. Please be kind in replying.

The bus route times posted on the District's website are somewhat outlandish. Fry is listed as a 33 minute trip and is approximately 4.1 miles from Waubonsie while Owen is listed as 2 minutes longer at 35 minutes yet it is 8.5 miles from the proposed Metea site. I need to know their shortcut! Families in Brighton Ridge and West Glen currently attend Waubonsie which is 5.7 miles from Owen, and Neaqua is 4.5 miles away yet somehow it makes sense to bus the kids 8.5 miles away?

To the parent with children in parochial school. I've had children in both parochial school and public school, and believe me, the parachial school didn't have to deal with most of the issues that public schools have to deal with. The private schools limited class sizes, didn't have new students arriving weekly, didn't educate special needs students, for the most part didn't have to deal with high numbers of students from separated families, most teachers were second income and didn't earn a wage that would support a family, etc. I think private schools have to be very careful to talk about their costs of educating their students - the cross section can often be quite different!

Jim can you please tell me on what grounds you will sue the SC. This question has beens asked numerous times and it is the only one that no one can answer. I find it hard to believe that we haven't had one attorney read these blogs and can't come up with something.

Because I'm thinking I voted Yes for a new high school not boundaries. And regardless of where it is built whether it be BB or MV the school board can change boundaries whenever it wishes. It happense all the time. And will continue to happen as the community grows and eventually slows down.

As for the boundary wars that are brewing I don't have a dog in this fight since my kids attend parochial school; though as a citizen and taxpayer I do believe I have a vested right in the community in which I live.

Oh the logic on how these boundaries were drawn! Years ago when I graduated from Jr. High half of my school fed into one HS and the other half fed into another in our village. In fact, our house was located on the street that formed the boundary line... if I'd lived on the opposite side of the street I would have gone to the other HS! And you know what? It was no big deal. No one cried. No one slashed their wrist. We just accepted it for what it was... a time for change and growth. Life simply moved on for us after 8th grade. By the end of the first week as Freshmen we had all kinds of new friends.

Let's face it. The same thing is going to happen in 4 more years when all these kids go their separate way to college. How many adults these days still have contact with kids from grade school? A few probably, but not the vast majority. So why all the misplaced emotion about needing to make boundary decision based on downstream considerations such as Jr High and Elementary schools? My kids play with other children in the neighborhoods who attend PS and it doesn't affect any of them based upon what school they attend. My kids also travel all the way across town to be with their classmates and then get to meet other kids in these neighborhoods who also tend to attend PS, sometimes in another SD. And guess what... through IM, chat, email, telephone, on-line gaming, etc. they create their own amazing networks to keep in touch... if they want to. Life is about growth and change and developing new and different relationships. Herding kids together just for the sake of doing it makes not logical sense in todays dynamic society.

No one sends their kids to private or parochial schools with the intent or understanding that they will receive less of a quality education than what they might receive from their local PS. We pay the same taxes as everyone else, plus we get to pay tuition! Just think how many more PS's would be needed if all of the private and parochial schools in our area did not exist! Think about what that would do to all of our taxes. So the next time you meet a private or parochial school parent be sure to thank them because they are doing more to keep our taxes low than your SB! At the same time please educate yourself about the actual cost of public versus private/parochial education. You will be truly amazed at what you will learn. Determine the total school budget. Determine the per pupil cost per year. Look at staffing levels. Look at staff to student rations. What you will slowly come to realize is that PS are worlds apart from how private and parochial schools are funded, budgeted, managed, and operated. The next time you look at your property tax bill ask yourself how and why private/parochial schools are able to function and operate at a fraction of what our SD requires!

When it comes to our kids we all get held emotionally hostage when it come to making sure they get the best education and opportunities in life. We want to believe that our SD is the best, that our school is the best, that our children's teachers are the best. Yes, let's be hones. We want the best, not second best, not third best. Simply the best. If we truly want the best for our kids then we need to demand the best from each of our elected officials. We must hold each elected official personally accountable for every decision they make. We must demand that our elected officials, in turn, hold the administration and management of the SD accountable for the decisions they make as well. And those elected and appointed officials who are not up to the challenge of providing us with the very best we expect must be quickly culled from the rest.

For way too many years we, as taxpayers, have not demanded enough accountability. We sure have not demanded enough transparency in government. We have been way too trusting. And we most assuredly have been way too apathetic. We must recognize that our own attitudes, our own level of involvement in important issues and decisions, and most importantly how we prepare to vote and if we vote are all essential elements that explain how and why SD 204 exists as it does today.

Yes, the hard truth is that each of us should take a long, hard look in our own mirror. What we will find is the solution for these problems is staring back at each of us. We alone are responsible for fixing these problems. We can't look to the SB to fix what is broken with the system and culture that exists today. Every taxpayer and citizen must take personal responsibility to ensure they vote only for the most highly qualified SB candidates. First, we must fix the SB. Second, we must fix the administration. Yes, it will take time. But isn't the future of our kids education important enough to get it right this time?

Hey entitled people in Tall Grass: Do you hear anyone in the Buttonwood, Fields or West Wind subdivisions complain about attending MVHS which is further from our homes than ALL high schools in Naperville? If you feel ENTITLED to attend NVHS than we should be ENTITLED to change districts and/or attend NNHS, NCHS, WVHS or NVHS!

As for the boundary wars that are brewing I don't have a dog in this fight since my kids attend parochial school; though as a citizen and taxpayer I do believe I have a vested right in the community in which I live.

Oh the logic on how these boundaries were drawn! Years ago when I graduated from Jr. High half of my school fed into one HS and the other half fed into another in our village. In fact, our house was located on the street that formed the boundary line... if I'd lived on the opposite side of the street I would have gone to the other HS! And you know what? It was no big deal. No one cried. No one slashed their wrist. We just accepted it for what it was... a time for change and growth. Life simply moved on for us after 8th grade. By the end of the first week as Freshmen we had all kinds of new friends.

Let's face it. The same thing is going to happen in 4 more years when all these kids go their separate way to college. How many adults these days still have contact with kids from grade school? A few probably, but not the vast majority. So why all the misplaced emotion about needing to make boundary decision based on downstream considerations such as Jr High and Elementary schools? My kids play with other children in the neighborhoods who attend PS and it doesn't affect any of them based upon what school they attend. My kids also travel all the way across town to be with their classmates and then get to meet other kids in these neighborhoods who also tend to attend PS, sometimes in another SD. And guess what... through IM, chat, email, telephone, on-line gaming, etc. they create their own amazing networks to keep in touch... if they want to. Life is about growth and change and developing new and different relationships. Herding kids together just for the sake of doing it makes not logical sense in todays dynamic society.

No one sends their kids to private or parochial schools with the intent or understanding that they will receive less of a quality education than what they might receive from their local PS. We pay the same taxes as everyone else, plus we get to pay tuition! Just think how many more PS's would be needed if all of the private and parochial schools in our area did not exist! Think about what that would do to all of our taxes. So the next time you meet a private or parochial school parent be sure to thank them because they are doing more to keep our taxes low than your SB! At the same time please educate yourself about the actual cost of public versus private/parochial education. You will be truly amazed at what you will learn. Determine the total school budget. Determine the per pupil cost per year. Look at staffing levels. Look at staff to student rations. What you will slowly come to realize is that PS are worlds apart from how private and parochial schools are funded, budgeted, managed, and operated. The next time you look at your property tax bill ask yourself how and why private/parochial schools are able to function and operate at a fraction of what our SD requires!

When it comes to our kids we all get held emotionally hostage when it come to making sure they get the best education and opportunities in life. We want to believe that our SD is the best, that our school is the best, that our children's teachers are the best. Yes, let's be hones. We want the best, not second best, not third best. Simply the best. If we truly want the best for our kids then we need to demand the best from each of our elected officials. We must hold each elected official personally accountable for every decision they make. We must demand that our elected officials, in turn, hold the administration and management of the SD accountable for the decisions they make as well. And those elected and appointed officials who are not up to the challenge of providing us with the very best we expect must be quickly culled from the rest.

For way too many years we, as taxpayers, have not demanded enough accountability. We sure have not demanded enough transparency in government. We have been way too trusting. And we most assuredly have been way too apathetic. We must recognize that our own attitudes, our own level of involvement in important issues and decisions, and most importantly how we prepare to vote and if we vote are all essential elements that explain how and why SD 204 exists as it does today.

Yes, the hard truth is that each of us should take a long, hard look in our own mirror. What we will find is the solution for these problems is staring back at each of us. We alone are responsible for fixing these problems. We can't look to the SB to fix what is broken with the system and culture that exists today. Every taxpayer and citizen must take personal responsibility to ensure they vote only for the most highly qualified SB candidates. First, we must fix the SB. Second, we must fix the administration. Yes, it will take time. But isn't the future of our kids education important enough to get it right this time?

Please forgive me if I am wrong but wasn't Fry scheduled to go to MV at the BB site? If so where were all the comments then about losing the "community" feeling with NV. It appears that since the referendum passed Fry was never going to go to NV. I've only ever heard comments of "don't send us to WV".

Also, if I understand it correctly your distance to the BB site and WV are not that different.

Unfortunately what people need to realize is that due to the number of children in their respective neighborhoods is what helps decide where they will be placed. If you are close to the school but have too many kids in your neighborhood and would push the attendance over what we should expect as acceptable class sizes and schedules then you will have to go elsewhere. That is the same reason Fry was scheduled to go to the BB site (which I believe was an Aurora site as well). The boundaries are for the good of ALL the kids in the SD

Big Mike and Seems Odd from Tallgrass offerred such refreshing comments and valid viewpoints. I can totally understand why you feel the way you do in regards to proximity. Change and unfamiliarity are always a little scary. Thanks for your truthfulness. You have shed a very positive light on a somewhat "sour" taste that other TG respondents left behind. You will be very pleased at Waubonsie Valley. It's the best kept secret of the district :)!

To all 204 residents posting on this blog:

I am sorry about the length of this post, but sometimes the past can prepare you for the future.

Make sure you spend the time and effort to read all of these posts, but I would recommend you also read the posts for 203.

In doing so, you will find the answer to the question posted by anonymous on 2/13 @6:24 “…..There must be some sort of watch dog group that would be interested in what is going on here. I can not believe that we may be on the hook for 17 million dollars related to the BB land. How has this part of the story not made it into the press (at least the Onion?)”.

We in 203 have had a litany of odd occurrences & malfeasances (though apparently so far legal) over the years. They include:

> the purportedly intentional over-collection of taxes on the 2002 referendum of well over $50 million and growing by $4 million a year;

> a complete lack of independence between the school District and it’s largest vendor (the Teachers’ Union), where approximately 85% of all tax monies are spent;

>The surreptitious movement of almost $24,000 in monies between cutout groups FROM Teachers’ Unions (both State & local), through the “citizen’s” group PURE (treasured by House candidate McGuire) TO eventual vendors, all to get certain Union-approved candidates elected to the Board (they did!). This effort included a despicable direct mail piece with the not-so-subtle accusation that the non-union endorsed candidates would be encouraging the hiring of sexual predators into the district.

> Teachers & union negotiators violating the state's Ethics & Gift Ban law, and their contract with District 203, by campaigning while using school resources AND it being hidden from the over-all community by the District.

> ANOTHER referendum is passed in 2008. Another “citizens” group, Build the Future 203 (BTF203) was formed to push the referendum onto the community, using the threat of decreasing home values as their bully-stick. (similar to the tact used in 2002 when student programs were threatened to be cut). Initial Funding for BTF203 was provided by District 203 board members, including the Board President and her friend, the newest member who was APPOINTED to fill an open Board seat! In short, BTF203 is just another clandestine arm of an activist school board.

I will be honest when I tell you the papers do NOT do a stellar job of reporting this activity.

It has been incumbent upon the citizens to ferret out the information and write Letters to the Editor. The investigative part of the papers has, for some reason, been a little MORE than wanting in this area. I suspect some of their hesitance goes back to a Board meeting many, may months back where the District jumped all over the papers and threatened legal action. Until then, the papers had both been heavily involved in these issues. Since, almost non-existent.

So, YOU are the answer to your question. Don’t let it die on the vine and wait for the next controversy ---- keep it going in the papers so it is always close on your minds. Continue to go to Board meetings and speak your piece, but do it in BULK! We were told by the Board members that we did not have enough people at each meeting to influence their thinking! Make sure the Board sees different faces up there. They will ONLY react to public pressure and NOTHING else!

Do not assume they have the same morals and ethics as you do! Remember! In the end, they are elected officials which means they are politicians which means they are always worried about getting re-elected.

The appalling fiscal track record of BOTH Districts assure us of really only one thing: You can be assured yet more controversies & referendums are right around the corner!

Again, sorry about the length. Good luck in your boundaries, your scholl location, and your home values!

[You might want to check out hold203accountable.org]

The subdivisions around Owens area once fed into Hill and that was deemed too far away. They were transferred to Still when it opened. Now it seems it's ok for students to be bussed even farther away, 8.4 miles kitty corner across the district. Huh???

Who has an hour to spend driving to pick up a sick kid, volunteer in the LMC, or organize concessions at an event? Parents will be spending YEARS driving 16 miles round trip for every HS event. How many wasted hours will be spent because the SB didn't have the courage to erase all current boundary lines and start over?

Let the SB know your opinion-respond on the IPSD website.

I have been reading these posts and a lot are very amusing. I am a Tall Grass resident and am fine with my kids going to Waubonsie. Not everyone in Tall Grass wants there kids to go to Neuqua. I am happy that my kids will be in a smaller class. I do not want my kids to be in a class of 1000 kids. They also will have a better chance of earning a higher class rank and better chances for sports. Currently my kids attend Scullen and it is overcrowded and terrible. I am thinking Neuqua may be similiar. Also, as for the bridge, I would rather not lose bus service. That would be a pain in my rear. If that were the case my kids would be walking across that bridge because no one would be here to take them back and forth because my husband and I both work.
What I am bothered about is the splitting of middle schools. I feel this is can be avoided. I also really believe that a lot of personal agendas were involved when these boundaries were created. I noticed the letter concerning the bridge in the packet (remember I don't care about the bridge), I feel that was a slam against Tall Grass and very unprofessional on the administrations part. I feel whoever was responsible for that letter being placed in the packet should be held accountable. Yes, there are people in the subdivision who are very passionate about wanting there kids to go to the closest school and they are using the bridge as part of their argument. Why did the administration feel that was necessary to include that letter? All it did was single out a community, where not everyone shares the same feelings. Just because I am from Tall Grass does not mean I feel the same as a small minority does. There are 1000 homes in my subdivision and not all the families living here feel the same way. Also I recognized some of the people on this blog and they do not live in Tall Grass, they are part of the Fry community but they do not live in my subdivision. Keep that in mind, that Fry consists of more than Tall Grass. As for Tax dollars, please! everyone has to pay them. I do not feel I am entitled to anything more than a good education for my kids.

Hey old Naperville remember way back when 203 split and created 204 because "old Naperville" didn't want to have to pay for all the new schools and growth on the west and south sides of town?

Maybe, just maybe now is the time to merge 203 and 204 back together and create a Super district. Fully possible and fully legal all it takes is a referendum between residents in both districts.

Think of how much money we would save on administrative costs alone. Only one admin building needed, one superintendent and staff, etc. Duplicate departments like human resources, accounting, purchasing, etc. etc. could be eliminated..

Better yet we would not need to waste another $150,000,000 on a school that no one needs or wants. Rather with 4 established High Schools and the alternative school site (which is where the growth tend is at) we would all double our options for more flexible boundaries.

Unifying 203 and 204 makes a heck of a lot more economic and political sense than building another monument to the ego and arrogance of 204 SB.

MH,

The machines can not start until they own the land. Otherwise, the district would be trespassing. After that happens, before they start the Caterpillars, they better call 811.

I am more than fine being changed to WV from NV. The issue I believe everyone is missing is the EJ&E railway purshase. Dist. 204 cannot have 2 HS west of the tracks if this sale is approved. The travel times the SB has laid out will double and possibly triple with the 300% increase in train traffic. More impotantly the safety issues will be enormous.
I for one will be the first person to pusue a class action lawsuit against the Dist. and the SB if they close on the MV land prior to knowing the outcome of this proposed sale.

Read through this blog and you can easily correlate that everyone complaining the most is from a subdivision on the South/SE side of Naperville.

Face it guys, the site has been picked (and isn't gonna change), and the boundaries are drawn. Time to start the Caterpillars!

To be fair, why don't we look holistically at Naperville in 2008 and redraw all the boundaries. We live 1.4 miles from Naperville North, but are in 204.

The legal team on crack comment is a cheap shot, adds nothing to the discussion, and should have been deleted by the moderator.

Note from host:

You're right. Sorry it slipped thru. It's gone.

If I wanted to help bridge an achievement gap then I would have moved to East Saint Louis. One-for-all, all-for-one, eh? Seems like I've heard that one somewhere before...

Some amusing posts in this blog:

http://www.elemental-learning.com/OurBlog/tabid/90/EntryID/13/Default.aspx#Comments

I cannot possibly believe that the boundary proposal we've been given is the "best" one by the district's own criteria. I have seen other proposals that meet all criteria for enrollment and "achievement gap" while not splitting MS's and ES's. Oh and they honor contiguous boundaries too, which the District plan does not. Why wouldn't one of those plans emerge instead? They seem superior to the District's plan by any measure of objectivity.

I'm a relatively disinterested observer of this SB 204 fiasco as my children attend private school. However I live in Tall Grass and have heard many arguments both emotional and logical. At this point I think it is fair to say the following regarding Tall Grass as it relates to the boundary decision:
they pay a larger % of the 204 budget than nearly all other D204 subdivisions per HH, they now have to travel farther than nearly all the subdivisions to get to HS, they now get a less than equal HS (no Freshman Campus) than nearly all the other subdivisions, and their children are among the only to have to split with their friends from Middle school.

Seems to me that they have some fair and rational reasons to complain. IMHO- the SB is putting the new school in the wrong place and that is what is causing the problem. Build the school near the population and these issues and animosity go away- its really not that complicated...is it?

Well, at least we can all agree on one thing. The SB has lost control and the only way they can regain it is to subject the district to an absurd $150,000,000 HS. Yes, there is certainly overcrowding (for now) and it will eventually subside. The real issue is the SB spending our money like the Aldermen of Chicago...what a cluster that group is. Maybe through the collective efforts of the various voices here we can stop this madness and at least require some sound logic be applied. After all, the new HS land really isnt $16-17M its more like $21-22M after you add in the BB lawsuit (around the next corner)...But hey SB, thats OK, its not your money its always someone elses! Also, dont forget about the tens of millions its going to take to run the place. They will be back for more...it all takes time. The strategy is always "oh, its only another $50 a year, another $75, another $100. Does anyone ever really look at their tax bill??? Yes, BTW it's a tax bill, not a "revenue" stream as the SB would fool you into believing.

Lets just hope they included A/C in the cost, we wouldnt want poor Johnny or Jenny having to put up with all that global warming in 204!

This will never be resolved, folks. I've lived here for 18 years and have weathered the political manipulations for so long that I have no strength left to voice my opinion at school board meetings. The real issue in my eyes is that far too many people do not educate themselves about school board candidates who are running for new SB slots, and the voters simply continue to vote these same close-minded members in office. We have ourselves to blame for this mess. Until the current board is removed, this idiosy will continue. Start doing your homework instead of complaining and pointing fingers at each other...take responsibility for having to deal with the same nightmare issues. It's due to a lack of attendance at the polls when your voice could have made a difference. If these types of dealings were occuring in the business world, heads would have rolled for the mismanagement that has happened and continues to happen. Running a school district is a business...why aren't people being fired?!

All I can say is apples don't fall far from trees.

I go to school with TG students...and although most of them are perfectly nice, there are a few rotton apples in the bunch. I know some parents really are concerned with transportation time, but others "secretly" are afraid of the diversity issue. My response to them, "That's life. Look at the diversity within our own country. You can't hide your children from the big, bad, world."

Parents, why don't you ask your children how they feel, WITHOUT giving them your opinions first. I think the parents are creating a lot of angst between the students, as the parents' ideas feed the students' responses. I'm sorry, but in this case, you can't change the inevitable. To get Tall Grass in to Neuqua, it would be goodbye to a lot of Gregory students, and maybe northern sections of Stillwater. I don't see that happening any time soon. Sorry but you are stuck.

I still think we need to get back to the real issue here. It is NOT the boundaries. It is the location of the THIRD HS. It currently serves a small portion of the D204 residents, and has the LEAST GROWTH. I think the boundary discussion is smoke and mirrors....to take us off the real ISSUE....the choice of the THIRD SITE!

I think so many of the posts have been childish. I am embarassed to read some of the comments from my subdivision, Tall Grass. I can assure you all that this is not an accurate depiction or representation of the Tall Grass community as a whole.

My opinion:
Either way,(WV or Neuqua) our children are going to get a good/great education. My disappointment lies in the travel time back and forth, and the fact that we purchased in Tall Grass under the pretenses that we would be closer to the high school and for resale (that others would want to be close as well. (Our kids could practically walk to Nequa in the time the bus would get them to WV).

I feel let down. Neuqua already IS a part of my community and we will not be part of it. My children are not even close to high school age yet, but we attend the sporting events and watch practices, and know many students who attend there etc.

Drawing those boundaries cuts us off from our community that we are already a part of. It separates us from a part of our lives... we access everything around it every day, including the library, the Y, the grocery stores, restaurants etc., but not the school we pass 100 times a day? It isolates us from a huge part of our community.

Going to WV seems strange, it is another town, another place, another community, had I known it would be this way I would have planned differently. I rarely drive on Eola, we have no errands there, no friends there, no sense of belonging there. Had I been given this information when making the largest most calculated financial and personal decision of our lives, I would have moved to Aurora, we thought we did our planning and did our research beforehand and made an informed decision. We could have or would have moved elsewhere. At this point the market is soft, we don't really have the option of moving.. not even closer to WV if we wanted to...

All in all, I have no doubt that WV will be more than a fine education for our kids, but it just doesn't make sense.

There must be some sort of watch dog group that would be interested in what is going on here. I can not believe that we may be on the hook for 17 million dollars related to the BB land. How has this part of the story not made it into the press (at least the Onion?)

By the way, how much does the Naperville Sun paper charge to publish the District and School Board's positive press releases (it is hard to believe that the paper can report on the Administration's claim that the boundaries came close to meeting the criteria set forth by the Administration when 3 out of 7 middle schools are being split (without reporting on the reaction from the other side who dare to disagree)... but I digress.

How can this Board and administration keep going forward with this farce? Has anyone called on this Board to resign? 17,000 dollars is a lot of money, how in the heck have these folks been able to run away with this type of mismanagement with NO oversight or recourse.

Hello. "What is wrong with WV" As a resident of 204 I believe that nothing is wrong with WV. My feeling is this...My son currently goes to NV , my daughter goes to Scullen and I have a
5th grader at Fry. We have lived in south Naperville since NV's
construction. NV is something we know. It's material fact that we see the school every day. We have gone there for Fox swimming,
touth football camps, gymnastics meets, basketball games ,football games. It is something I know as a parent. It's
something in our back yards. No attempts have been made to bring the southside to WV. Many do not know enough about WV. There is no perception about WV being in A-Town only that it is farther away. District 204 hires well qualified teachers that could teach at NV,WV,Scullen etc. The education will be the same. I strongly belive that it is the DISTANCE that troubles many with WV
and it's the close distance that many want at NV.

regards.. BIG MIKE

Nice post Big Mike.

You are correct. The school board has not closed on the land or at least they have not said. I believe the last date I heard was first or second week in March. I believe they have their EMF/EMR readings and Phase2 analysis back. What remains to be seen is if they will let everyone in the district see the reports or if they will keep it simple for everyone's petty little mind and just pat them on the hands and tell them it's "safe".

The dollar figure you put forth as a potential 'damage' is probably closer to the truth than what the school board has said so far. Based on how their lawyers operated in the past, I would not put it past them to attempt to nail the district for the 17-20 million you calculated.

Luckily District 204 has a crack legal team that has always served them well with real estate court cases in the past.

I live in Tall Grass. I graduated from Waubonsie 15 years ago and I lived in Breckenridge at that time (those Bus and Car rides were only 20 min. back then). I loved WV and looking forward for my kids to go there.

Can someone from Tall Grass tell me what is wrong with WV? Is it an icky school, do the kids have cooties? Is the diversity a little scary? God Forbid!

A new resident at the YMCA on 95th street actually asked me that why is the (WV)school in Aurora. I would never want my kids going to an Aurora school. Then I explained to her that most of the kids are majority from Naperville. I think a lot of new residents in the south side are not educated to the history of WV and the great people that have come out of that school.

Guess what...there are teachers from Neaqua that either graduated from WV or used to teach there....not bad huh. Let's move on and accept this


Note from Moderator Jim: For someone who's in such favor of "diversity," your post is a pretty stinging indictment of Aurora schools. What's so bad about them?are

OK BB is gone.. or so we think. BB will be in our minds in the future as their attorneys prepare to file damage claims. Damage claims could go to trial or the SB could settle. Let's see, we are already into them for approx. $5,000,000 for attorneys fees. That's six zeros. The land was appraised at approx. $526,000 per acre based on 2005 dollars. So, what is the difference of the appraised land of $526,000 and todays real estate market? You guessed it ... Its' gone down. BB could now be worth $300,000
per acre. OUR "SB" (excuse me -we) could be on the hook for the difference. What's anyones guess? Mine would be ~$12,430,000
for damages and $5,000,000 for attorney fees. Total cost to District ~$17,430,000.

Lets just calm down and NOT procede with anything until we see what BB wants. What's one more year.(seriously)

As a footnote ... The school board has not secured the property yet. The school board has not closed on the land (as far as they have told us) and all of the environmental paperwork has not been received. Why proceed with anything?

This SB is out of control and it appears that they want to get this deal done so their legacy will live on.

Now take the $17,000,000 for damages and attorney fees and add that to MWGEN $16,000,000. Wammo.. We could have bought BB for what the tax payers voted on.. STOP THIS TRAIN WRECK!!!

Regards...... MIKE

Anonymous 2/13 @ 12:11pm
"WOW!

Tallgrass and White Eagle will end up at Waubansie?

I imagine that will cause more than a little consternation in those little households!"
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Dude, what is wrong with you? Why would someone start all this again.

BTW, "Waubansie"????? Make sure you use spell check next time or at least know how to spell the name of the high schools.

In response to Kathryn Sinicrope.
Do you expect my 6 year old to walk home in the snow? I don't.
But my 16 year old can.

Ok, this may be stating the obvious for all of those who are complaining about the change in boundaries from the BB site. When the referendum went out for a vote, the school district did not own enough of the BB site to build a high school there. Those who voted yes based only on the BB site and the proposed boundaries provided obviously did not do their homework before casting their votes. Now the boundaries are changing because the SD could not afford the land and you are upset?? You cannot blame the school board, you can only blame yourselves. The SB has now selected a new site and are doing what they truly believe is best for the district as a whole, not just a select group of subdivisions.

Let's all get beyond the boundary arguments and celebrate that a firm site decision has been made and we have something "real" to look forward to. I look forward to the opening of MV and the positives that it will bring to our district.

I am a tallgrass resident, and as I find alot of the the things being said about our subdivision I wont respond by insults, but this is what I have to say. It is not just the fact we will be sent to school further away that the nearest but has anyone seen what happens to owen, gombert or peterson? insytead of a straight shot to wv owen will be sent to metea, gombert will bypass wv to go to metea , part of peterson will drive past tallgrass ontheir way to nv? we bought our home thinking our children will be able to go to a school that was close, and I beleive current time estimates for these busing routes are underestimated. It is not just that I am concerned about the trains and traffic also. I am also concerned with the fact the friends my children are making at scullen will not be in in wv but at nv which already has my child upset. I wonder what these kids who will be going further than should be , what will they be giving up? afterschool activities? studying time? family time? I can only sit back and wonder after reading some of these comments how can people be so insulting? Im sure their are other parents in other subdivions who are feeling like I do right now. I just my child to go to the closest school , it doesnt matter if it was metea, nv or wv
just the closest.

I would tend to agree that the education, experience, qualifications, and background of most, if not all, current SB members leaves much to be desired. That is one of the inherent problems of elected officials... anyone can run regardless of their qualifications, education, experience, or in the case of the 204 SB, lack thereof. The assumption is that the majority of voters will choose wisely among the pool of candidates. Sadly for the last several elections it has really been choosing the lesser of evils than separating the cream from the milk.

It would be interesting to see the 204 administration lobby the voters as hard as they did to get the referendum to pass to encourage residents who have the necessary skill set to come out and run for elected office. Truth is the more incompetent SB members are collectively; the easier it is for the 204 Administration to "manage" the SB and get what the Administration ultimately wants. In case some readers are not aware Superintendents regularly attend seminars and continuing education to learn how to "manage" the SB... seems ironic doesn't it... especially considering the SB authorizes and approves these kind of expenses!

For this SB to ever begin headed in the right direction we need to collectively start weeding out the weakest and least qualified SB members. If we were each given three votes and able to cast them for one or more SB members I would overwhelmingly cast all 3 of mine for JC. Without a doubt, would vote off the island in a heartbeat! Has been nothing but pure putty and a rubber stamp for the Administration for way, way too long. "Independent thinker" would not come to mind for use as a descriptive here. Least educated, by far, with only a HS diploma. Heck some WV and NV seniors have likely accumulated more college credit! Don't question intent though, sure it is and always was well intended. Peter Principle and "Road to He.. being paved with good intentions sum up this situation well enough.

Time to cut bait and move on. And JC should be the first to go.


I hate 204 writes-
"Why does the school board and administration think we parents are so gullible? It's insulting"
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Because we are gullible and have been for several years now. Everything they have thrown at us we have accepted. No one wanted to seriously make changes in the SB last election. Look at yourselves in the mirror. We allowed it to all to happen.

WOW!

Tallgrass and White Eagle will end up at Waubansie?

I imagine that will cause more than a little consternation in those little households!

How did MM get re-elected to the SB last year? The only incumbent I voted for was CB. I did NOT support MM or AK. I attended as many candidate forums as I could, so there's no way I could support MM and AK based upon their performances in those forums. MM was so confident and smug about BB that it was sickening. AK was unable to answer basic questions. All she talked about was attending schools on every continent on the planet. Nice accomplishment but how does that really help us?

I don't believe there's a single current SB member with any educational background. I've never seen that in any community in which I've lived. Unbelievable. Financial analysts, attorneys and policy experts are important, but a few educators would be helpful.

Everybody's up in arms about the 2009 election and thats fine. But keep in mind that you guys re-elected MM to 4 LONG years, so he's in place until 2011.

I hope everyone who is unhappy with the actions of the SB voted last Spring, but somehow I doubt it...

Stop with the "sky is falling" feeling. Go out and enjoy the sunshine and the warmer temps.(really it doesn't feel that cold out). We all need a little sunshine so go out and get it!

Have to agree with those who say these blogs really make our community look bad.

My thesis: If people truly believed that 204 needed a 3rd high school, then I argued that the boundaries should not drive that decision. It's like asking a homeless man if he wants shelter. The answer is either yes or no -- not, well it depends on where the home is located. Huh?

I voted no on the 1st referendum. I even voted no on the 2nd referendum which passed. The evidence the SB presented just didn't seem to justify a 3rd HS being built. Just my humble opinion. I remember spirited debates with friends in some of the affected sub-divisions like Tall Grass and White Eagle. I just couldn't convince them that they were being hoodwinked by the SB. Vote no I told them, but they voted yes only after seeing the presumed boundaries. So they cast what some considered a selfish "me" vote because they preferred the referendum outcome (new MV vs. possibly WV). Now that they've been hoodwinked by the SB (WV instead of MV or NV), they are crying foul.

I don't recall the referendum ballot containing any references to the "approved boundaries" so I don't know where they can take this legally. Sorry but I don't know how I can help you now. You followed the SB right off the cliff. Those facing changes need to pick themselves up, dust themselves off & start moving forward. Enough of this.

I agree with the posts regarding home values all over 204 declining. Everyone is making this out to be the residents' fault for fighting with each other. Let's get something straight - we are human and we are sick and tired of the lies and manipulation.

Look at the map. It's ridiculous (and out of scale to boot). The school board and administration are to blame for this fighting with their outlandish proposals. First they are going to build a school on cheap land. News flash - the land is cheap due to the EMF exposure and other environmental hazards. 2.4 is the internationally recognized "safe" EMF exposure level for adults and we are supposed to be OK with exposures exceeding 7 for our teenagers? And it's far from the student center of population as evidenced by the fact that they are proposing to send 3 elementary schools to the farthest-away high school in the district. As if to add insult to injury, they are estimating the bus ride from Owen to the MWGEN site to be 7 minutes longer than Brooks! Fry is supposed to get to WV with a 33 minute bus ride?

Why does the school board and administration think we parents are so gullible? It's insulting.

I am telling anyone considering a move here to buy in 203. 204 is a mess and this entire third high school debacle ensures that it's getting worse. $5 million more is guaranteed to be wasted on Brach Brodie. That is the administration's estimate, and keep in mind that they have been wrong by just about double with every estimate regarding Brach Brodie. Imagine what we could do for the kids with $10 million dollars.

Reply to anonymous a few posts back.
"History has a sad habit of repeating itself. SD 207 in Park Ridge is a great example... anyone ever heard of Maine North? Open for just 4 years before their SB threw in towel and admitted they made a big mistake"
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I remember Maine North. Yes it was a mistake but the situation was different. There were alot of parents who didn't want their kids to attend Maine East and were willing to pay the taxes for it.What I also remember was New Trier West which was at the time the most expensive school built, this was in the 1960s. That school had only thirteen graduating classes beforing returning to the main New Trier. But West campus was put to good use; a freshman campus for a number of years and was used for numerous communtiy events and sports camps and classes. Now the district rents out the building to several businesses and gets a sizable income for it. The parents at the time and after will tell you building that school was well worth it in the end for the district and easing the strain of the large student population at the time was totally nessessary. Same thing in 204.

I do not know why I feel compelled to answer the comment above, but I do.

As to the Bridge, statements have been made by the Administration that it would not redistrict walkers! In the memo attached to the boundary proposal yesterday supporting its recomendations (pretty important to the District in that it was 1 of the 4 pages published), the District made a point to communicate that the 59th Street Bridge would not provide safe passage between TG and NV (and thus, Fry is not a walking community in its eyes).

This "memo" was based on supposed conversations by an employee and several governmental agencies (I have been told that this employee lives in the District and will be remaining at NV because crossing a very busy 95th street as opposed to crossing over a pedestrian bridge is considered safe passage)

However,(again 1 of only 4 pages published to the public)the memo completely misrepresents the truth (for example, it indicates that the bridge will not cleared of snow and ice when in fact the Park District has already committed to treating the bridge as a first priority for snow and ice removal BECAUSE IT IS A SAFE PASSAGE to NV). It also is 100% in contradiction to the public statements by the project manager of the construction, the City of Naperville and the Illinois Depaertment of Transportation who have all declared that the bridge WILL provide a safe path to NV high school (and the construction is intended for this various purpose). In other words, the Adminstration has decided to follow "Carla's" definition of safe passage as opposed to IDOT, the City of Naperville, The Naperville Park District, and common sense.

The District also indicated that it would not split schools if it did not have to. However, despite the fact that there are several logical proposals that have been presented where there would be NO splitting of schools, the result is that 30% of the current middle schools will be split (perhaps a good average for baseball, but not for a Board that has a fiduciary duty to the district). Peterson elementary will even be split into 3 different middle schools (wow).

The facts are that 30% of Scullens students will be seperated from the remaining 70% of their classmates when they depart to high school (in other words, if you have 10 friends in middle school---a pretty impressionable time---7 will be going to a different high school). I am sure that this will have no impact on the development of these students.

Quite frankly, this Board should resign based on what has happened over the past two plus years (complete negligence which has costed the taxpayers MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS of tax dollars--not to mention the divide in our community).

The process has been dishonest ever since the 2nd referendum was passed (we just keep digging deeper). It is time to start fresh and to start fair.

I believe that people need to accept and deal with the plan that the district has come up with. There is no way to make everyone happy so lets move forward together as one community.

quoting annonymous:
"Your daughter starts at WVHS and finishes at WVHS. Se won't be moved when MVHS opens --- unless you want that." - that does not hold true for my freshman '08 daughter - she will start at NV and be moved to MV.
Also, I didn't just fall into this. I think asking the SB for their todays position on this is fair. Afetr all, how many changed have we witnessed in all this?

@Agree with the SB: Don't forget the $600K+ houses in Fairways of Augusta Village in Bolingbrook which is almost guaranteed to stay at Neuqua.

(Unless the SB tries to pawn off Builta to Bolingbrook, which may be somewhere in the mind of Metzger now that only Bolingbrook residents will go to Builta. Imagine the size of the lawsuit if they ever tried to move people out of the District).

to anonymous 2.13.08 8:58 am:

i, totally, agree!

JWH wrote "If NV is that important to you, then check out homes in Ashbury, River Run, Clow Creek, High Meadow, Harmony Grove and other neighborhoods that are currently safely tucked away into Neuqua's zone. But just remember that change is always possible..."

Thanks JWH for those neighborhoods but don't forget Shell Lake, Springbrook Crossing, Brook Crossing Estates, Breckenridge, Brookwood Trace, Willow Ridge, Knoch Knolls, Kinloch, Rose Hill, Old Farm and Old Sawmill. Wanted to make sure you weren't just pointing out neighborhoods that had homes 3000 square foot and up ;-)

I agree with the SB, let's just move on and continue our daily lives and agree with the boundary decision. Home prices will be fine. Kids will adapt and make new friends, WV is a great HS!

Woke up this morning to the new boundary maps on the front page of the Sun. From first glance it is overly obvious that the SB is once again playing politics with the voters instead of exercising solid stewardship. Clearly the SB expects some kind of backlash and put together a map that would let them "concede" a few points on boundaries so the "rabble rousing" residents would feel better about it when it is all over.

Take a real good look at the details. The MV feeder area is HUGE. So is NV when compared to WV, as proposed. Fact is the feeder area for WV is exceptionally small especially when one considers that the areas shown in the proposed boundaries are far from high density housing areas.

So what is up with this plan? How do the numbers even come close to justifying these boundaries? I, for one, would love to see both historical enrollment numbers for both schools going back at least a decade and then to see the projected enrollments at each of these three schools based up on these new boundaries. Love to see? Heck no, we should demand to see them!

It doesn't take a lot of hard analysis to recognize that the feeder area for WV is insufficient to fill a school of this size to even close to capacity. So what is the big picture? What is the long term plan? How many years will it be until the SB closes WV and sells off the site?

I don't want to go off on a rant, but just the thought of our SB getting involved with another real estate deal just raises the hair on the back of my neck. To think the current SB President is a lawyer just adds insult to injury. Outfoxed at every step by the BB lawyers and all our SB could do is point a finger at all the consultants and analysts and lawyers that the SB hired at their choosing to represent OUR best interests!

Hey, if the BB lawyer ever wants to run for SB I'll definitely vote for him. At least he knows what the heck he is doing and knows how to negotiate. He certainly left all of our elected SB members sucking air and looking like bumbling fools thru this whole negotiation process and the trial. And he was right all along.

Just how many years do you think it will be before the SB announces that enrollment is down at WV and they need to close it to save us money? Look at the map and it is pretty evident the SB will just draw an east-west line down Montgomery Road and we will have our new boundaries between NV and MV. One south side school and one north side school. No more WV.

All we can hope is that when the SB sells off WV we will make enough money from the deal to pay off the BB lawyers and finally be done with that sordid piece of our ever larger troubling history. Hopefully everyone living in 204 will have an excellent memory and will remember everything that happened come election time and hold the SB members they elect accountable.

History has a sad habit of repeating itself. SD 207 in Park Ridge is a great example... anyone ever heard of Maine North? Open for just 4 years before their SB threw in towel and admitted they made a big mistake. Taxpayers took it on the chin. Looks like history is about to repeat itself in SD204 unless someone on the SB musters up the moral fortitude and stops this train wreck. Question is... is there anyone left on the current SB who is willing to speak up and do what is right?

It's funny that the vast majority of these blogs center around Tall Grass. Take another look at the map. See that one yellow spot WAY over to the east, between Naper/Plainfield and Modaff, just south of 75th street - the group of us at West Glen and Brighton Ridge that go to Owen Elementary? See how far our kids will have to travel to MVHS? It's 10 freaking miles. It's the longest bus ride of any section in the district.

MVHS is WAY farther from us than either Waubonsie (where they were going to go) or Neuqua. Yes, our kids get to stay with their friends and follow the whole group through middle school and HS, but come on! Honestly, it doesn't even make sense these two neighborhoods are even in 204. Should be in 203. I wonder if that's even a possibility.

It sure sounds like many of you just fell into this discussion, although it has been discussed for a long, long time.

"I bought my house in the Villages of Meadowlakes in 1996 ..."

Your daughter starts at WVHS and finishes at WVHS. Se won't be moved when MVHS opens --- unless you want that.

Varsity sports ...

MVHS will field varsity teams beginning in the 2009-2010 school year. This is a great opportunity for freshmen and sophomore. You can look at as the size of many teams being doubled the first year. This approach has been done throughout the country. Although, MVHS athletic teams may take a beating in the first two years, they will be highly competitive especially in the succeeding years due to the experience of playing on the varsity level.

Bus rides ...

From the Owens area, the bus to WVHS picks up at 630am. Buses to MVHS will take be approximately 15 minutes longer. So, our high school students will be getting on a bus on 615am? That's insane. But I guess, they can get a 40 minute nap on the bus ride.

TG resident here, for us it is an issue of proximity. We currently have a 5 min. ride to pick up our kids following after school activities. At WV we will face 20+. Picture Eola RD. at 5pm. I'd be happy to send my kids to WV if were just as close.
I'm also curious as to whether my daughter, who will be a senior in the fall of '09, will have to change schools. That seems real unfair.

Nothing good comes out of these blogs at all. It puts the community at odds with each other and it gets people to say things that are not necessarily true. Especially when they make comments about certain communities and the kids that live in them.

I can only imagine what people from outside the community think. If we ever had to relocate I now know to read blogs in the community that I'm interested in moving to. That is what really sets the tone for what life is like in that community.

And all of you who are upset for one reason or another and saying outlandish things are scarring anyone from moving into the Naperville community. That is what will bring your home values down.

We need to stop the fighting and move on and show the kids of this community how adults should behave. What sets the tones in our schools is our parents.

Oh my, now the South Side is going to focus on using a bridge to get the school they want. Hilarious!

Air Conditioning "study" for isd 204....$17,000

New High School...$150,000,000

Reading this blog and seeing how a "community" attacks each other over a BRAND NEW HS...Priceless!

Maybe a few of you with all this hostility should visit a few of the schools on the Southside of Chicago...or better yet New Orleans for that matter. You need a dose of reality. Having spent time volunteering to read for young students in New Orleans and having an 8 year old ask (beg) for a new pencil teaches you a few lessons in life...regardless of where you live don't underestimate the things we take for granted...I will never forget that little girl, nor her smile when she received a box of pencils.

Move on folks, act like a neighbor.

Tall Grass is a walking community...PLEASE! Spend some time on any of the streets that lead to Fry or Scullen...the hundreds of vehicles speak reality!

I'm fairly new to the area and have lived in many different regions of the country. I moved to Tall Grass because of the school district. Period. My children are still young and will likely never attend high school here, so I feel I can remain fairly objective in the high school debate. It amazes me how bitter some people in this area are toward a subdivision. It's interesting to see, from an outsider's perspective, how a town full of wealthy people can become prejudice toward people so much like them. Yes, I live in a beautiful house. Most of the people in 204 live well above the standard of the average American. I earned it and I want to give my children the best I can provide. Do you hate me for that? Look in the mirror, because you are just like me. Let's work on making sure that all the schools in the district are on equal footing. More importantly, let's elect a school board free of the type of bitter politicians there today.

Jim:
Please please DO have your paper look into this bridge. Now that we have been rezoned to Waubonsie, WHO is going to use it? I'm not going to walk over it to go to McDonalds or Dominicks or Neuqua events...since my kids will be at WVHS. WHO is paying for it? If our kids are not going to be using it to walk to school...WHO is going to use it? It should be discontinued. Stop construction! We should all get our money back if our taxes our being used for it...is anyone else going to use it? Can someone answer this? I'm new here (bought my house 6 months ago based on the ooops just kidding BB boundaries) but this seems like the Bridge to Nowhere right about now...

Jim,. I encourage you to ask your paper to look into the facts cited in the memo on the Bridge across Route 59 (the final page cited in the district recommendations).

Who is "Carla" (I think you will find it interesting where she resides). Please ask the City of Naperville, the project manager for the bridge, IDOT and the Park District on what they have written in regards to the safe passage of the 59 street bridge and the intent that it would serve as a safe walkway from Tallgrass to NV (contrary to what is in this memo). Also please ask why "Carla" reports that the Bridge will be treated as a level 2 priority when the Park District has committed to treating the Bridge as a level 1 priority (it will plow and clear when it snows...not 2 days after).

I would seriously ask that your paper spend a few moments looking into these issues in that I think it will make for a very interesting story.

I believe our children will have more opportunity with three high schools than with two over crowded schools. Don’t you? While the boundary recommendations seem thoughtful for the district as a whole they are not fair. But often life is not fair and change is scary. Before you put the for sale sign in the yard and run away or call the lawyers think. Now we have the opportunity to teach our children sometimes we don’t get what we want and it is OK. Will watching upset or angry parents strong arm, manipulate or complain about a new school assignment help your children become happy and successful adults? Or will watching parents get excited about the increased opportunities despite the initial disappointment make all of us a happier more unified community.

I bought my house in the Villages of Meadowlakes in 1996. Our children attended White Eagle school and we got kicked out of there (more expensive homes came along). We then were sent to McCarty and were kicked out of there. Instead of sending us to one of the 8 elementary schools within 2 miles of my house, the SB decided to send us to Owen - 5 1/2 miles away. Under the BB plan, my children would have attended MV. Once the BB property fell through, I unfortunately made the assumption that my children would attend WV (which is 2 miles from my house), which I have no problem with. We attended freshman orientation last week and my daughter was thrilled to be attending WV. I was absolutely shocked when I saw the boundaries today. We will still be going to MV, (they claim it will only be a 35 minute bus ride - has anyone on the SB driven down Eola after 3:00 pm? That 35 minute bus ride, by the way, will also take my children right past WV. Furthermore, they are splitting up Still. The look on my daughters face when she was told that all of her friends would be at WV and her at MV, was heart wrenching. It makes absolutely no sense that the SB is sending us to MV.The boundaries should have been decided based on geography, it doesn't seem that they were.WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?

My biggest issue with the entire 204 boundaries is THE LOCATION that has now been picked for the new HS. That of course is not even on the table. As a Naperville resident of over 25 years, I am extremely disappointed in the SB for not even listening to the public and even insinuating that it is too much of a bother to see how the voters feel! And then to proceed to pick a site out of the blue which does not even service the majority of the 204 boundaries, does not even add up to one fourth of the population. How ridiculous is that.

I say go back to the drawing board. Maybe instead of a new HS, we keep both 9th grade sites, and add a FRONTIER NORTH campus. I would guess that is we had to vote for a third HS today....it would be a NO! Based soley on the SB lack of respect for the community! I put my trust in the school board to deliver what I voted for....that will be the last time I do that.

I personally feel sorry for those residents in Owen, May Watts, Cowlishaw, etc...who have the LONG COMMUTE. (I do not live ther BTW) But I do work north and the drive at 7am is horrendous and the drive home is even worse. And how about the parents who paricipate in all of the school activites, volunteering, sports activities. Any thought to their well being?

I oppose the proposed new boundaries. I think the community would be better served if the boundaries changes are minimized by having as many students continue to attend their current school as possible. The school that a child attends has significant influence as to where a family purchases a home. The high school boundaries that you have proposed will force at least 50 percent of the student to attend a different school than what they would have attended when their family purchased their home. This is wrong. I suggest the MV boundaries should have a segment of the students currently from NV and a segment of the students currently from WV.

Another alternative is not to move ahead with this plan. The community is against it and should not be forced to accept it. With the economic downturn, the predicated rise in the student population will probably not occur. The District 204 community should review its needs at this time to determine its educational requirements.

JP --I'm sorry but no varsity sports are something to complain about. You must not follow the sports here very closely or else you would realize that the state champion WVHS girls soccer teams 2 star players were both Freshman. If this was fall 2009 - they would move to Matea and then not be able to play. Maybe for you that is not an issue - but is is for many. I already have on child on athletic scholarship in college and an eighth grader who would get stuck moving to the school with no varsity sports ( although that is the least of the issues with that site ) - so YES it is an issue -- except for those who only care about having a school in their back yard.

the site is a joke - the proposed commutes are insane due to the site, and if that is the best we can do for $150M we got hosed.

The commutes for Watts / Owen / Cowlishaw are horrendous because we chose to place a school where 15% of the districts children live within 3 miles. We took the longest commutes we have today ( Brookdale and Butterfield ) and passed them on to 3 whole ES's - and Peterson's is no picnic either. I thought when one had issues ( like we did with these commutes ) - if we built a 3rd HS and spent a small fortune to do so, we should fix those problems - not move them to someone else. ( and more kids this time ).

I retract my earlier post. I was looking at the map again and see that Peterson/Ashwood got split in half. That is awful for the people living there. Sorry about that.

Just a correction in reference to Ashwood and the developer getting his way. Ashwood Park(the more expensive Ashwood $800k - $1M+ homes) which is north of 111th is going to Waubonsie. Ashwood Creek (more moderate homes and south of 111th) is going to Neuqua. Peterson srudents will be split amongst 3 middle schools and 2 high schools. The developer definitely did not get his way!

Can they build Metea on this new site legally? I was at most of the board meetings two years ago. The SB said that people would only vote on the referendum if they passed the boundaries. So people voted yes on BB not the new site. Does anyone know if this can be challenged legally. For all who voted yes, can they change their votes today? I do not live in TG.

I was just reading with interest as to the new boundary decisions for the 3 high schools...looking at the new boundary map that was sent home today with students. The map on your website included all 3 high schools, and within a matter of a few minutes, Metea's boundaries totally disappeared! It now only shows the current 2 high school boundaries. What's up with that?

I Just Don't Get It,

The referendum that passed never guaranteed the PROPOSED boundaries. The PROPOSED boundaries were issued in advance of the vote. They were never locked in, in case things changed. And, they sure did!

The part I don't understand is the middle schools. I feel each middle school as a group should move onto the same high school. All of Hill will go to Metea. All of Granger will go to Metea. All of Gregory will go to Neuqua. All of the New Middle School will go to Waubansie. Still is split between Waubonsie and Metea. But Scullen . . . All of Scullen goes to Neuqua except for Fry. The friendships made with others over the three years mean nothing when Fry gets split from everyone. Someone said Scullen is split in half, but that even is not the case anymore because WE is going to Still. I think the middle schools should be done as equally as possible. Most of the others are complete communities. At least have the Peterson Scullen kids move on with Fry to Waubansie. Why single out Fry as the only school to have to go alone to high school with none of their new friends?

I just don't get it.

1. Location and Boundaries aren't defined and it gets voted down.
2. Location and Boundaries are defined and it gets voted for.
3. Change location and boundaries.

Huh?

The SB should have made a decision on BB quicker once the property value was raised by the jury. How about picking a new location and boundaries then putting that to vote? Instead we all have to live with whatever the SB says in regards to the location and boundaries. Sure, they're asking for our feedback. Have fun sorting through all that and changing any boundaries.

Wonder if this would have passed if put back out to vote based on the new location, let alone these proposed boundaries. Forget about building that bridge, how about an airport now instead? :-)

Sueing the SB is a waste of your time not to mention money. How did the ballot read when we voted. Certainly didn't have the boundaries stated in it. It was for a 3rd HS. So what leg do you have to stand on? Any lawyers out there please answer. And everyone should know that a SB can change boundaries when needed.

Please for those who voted NO first and then YES, you DID NOT vote for boundaries you voted for a new school. And if that's not what your vote was intended for then you voted wrong. It was a selfish vote. And we new that the land wasn't ours at the time and they would have to go through the ED fight.

You all should be embarassed for voting on boundaries. That's like voting for the president on his looks.

We are all equal regardless of what subdivision we live in. Unfortunately, some people believe they are better than others. The Tall Grass uprising is not about going to the closest school...it is about going to the school with the newest amenities and suposed "name". Waubonsie Valley is a great school and has an outstanding educational department, music department and sports program to name a few. What you get at Waubonsie that you won't get at Nequa is cultural diversity and students crossing over those barriers and recognizing the real world. Nequa lives in a bubble that doesn't welcome outsiders. The students are not prepared to go out into the real world. The School Board screwed this up from the very beginning...quite frankly...I don't know how they can purchase this new property because most people voted for the referendum under the false pretense that it was being built elsewhere...hmmm...there may be some legal issues here...let's face it...the new high school is not going to open in a year. My hats off to the new superintendent and I pray he will hold his stance and not give into the threats of those who think they are high society wannabes.

@john jenga: Why is half of the school district in Aurora? Because District 204 is NOT the "Naperville" school district. It was formed out of the Granger, Wheatland and Indian Plains Districts. Granger and Indian Plains District covered parts of Aurora. A small part of Bolingbrook is in Wheatland Township, which is why some Bolingbrook residents attend D204 schools.

I'm a parent. I'm fine with the thought of my (BTW, you meant "their" and not "there", I hope) student attending school in Aurora or Bolingbrook as long as it's in District 204.

Your taxes for schools are not "so much higher" than in Aurora unless you are referring to that part of Aurora NOT in District 204. Their taxes are lower because if you look at their schools, they aren't comparable.

Naperville, Bolingbrook and Aurora residents of D204 pay the same school taxes. Naperville residents may pay higher overall taxes, but that is for the park district and libraries and other Naperville services, not the school district.

In response to John Jinga as to why the school district is "half in Aurora". Because it's not a Naperville School district!! This is Indian Prairie School District 204, which encompasses parts of Naperville, Aurora, Bolingbrook and even a small part of Plainfield. And by the way, what in the world is wrong with your child going to school in Aurora? Both schools offer the IDENTICAL curriculum. All of us in District 204 pay the same proportionate amount of taxes to the district. With comments like that, you wonder why TG has a reputation?

I still don't understand the achievement gap as a criteria. Do any individual families really sit around and decide that it is a personal priority to see their kids used as human cattle to fix the achievement gap? NO! They just want their kids to have access to the best schools they can afford them to attend (or perhaps they don't care enough about their kids to give a darn about how good their kids' schools are, in some instances). The criteria should be Geography. PERIOD.

Owen, Watts, and Fry are getting totally screwed by this. Their residents have a right to be mad.

Referendum #1: No site, no boundaries.
Result: Failed miserably.

Referendum #2: Site (BB) and boundaries set after much debate.
Result: Passed.

Ultimate result: New site, new boundaries, very little debate.
IS THIS FAIR?

Would it be reasonable to ask for a re-vote? (Considering the thing we approved via referendum isn't what we're getting...and don't give me that "oh, stop complaining, you just voted on the funds, legally they can move the site and the boundaries...you should just be quiet for the kids' sake" baloney...we all know that a social contract was made AND WAS THEN BROKEN!)

Also, FYI in addition to the Proboards blog, there is another blog going at:
http://www.elemental-learning.com/OurBlog/tabid/90/EntryID/13/Default.aspx#Comments

This school may have a chance at getting built now that the school board has finally given in to the developers and assigned Ashwood to Neuqua.

This is not a slam on anyone living there, but when Senator Holmes said she would only support quick take if Peterson was assinged to Neuqua Valley, the writing was pretty much on the wall.

It just took the school board several years and millions of dollars to catch on. Too bad it's us taxpayers that are footing the bill.

In answer to anonymous a few blogs back I live in White Eagle with a fifth grader. We are fine with attending WV and so are other people in our subdivision. It spite of what some people think, WV is a great school and with the influx WE and TG we are going to really make WV even better then it already is. Kids lucky enough to live in #204 will get a great edcuation no matter where they go. Its the parents who create the problems.

Moderator Jim~ You bet I am! Between the boundry issues, the taxes and now the Rail Road issue............what a wonderful welcome to our new community! While there are many positives, they seem to be being out weighed right now with all of the negatives. Time to request a transfer, and move on!


Okay, Venessa. Just wondering. Be sure to read tomorrow's paper amd the next day's for a lot of coverage on the boundaries for D204. - Jim.

This is absolutely ridiculous. My son attends Scullen. He is in eighth grade. We can see Neuqua Valley High School from our bedrooms. Why build a foot bridge over Rte 59. if nobody west of Rte 59 is going to use it? We thought it would be a good idea for the kid to walk to school, as he walked to Fry and Scullen. The thought of a fourty minute bus ride to school is a serious problem. Has anyone thought this out? I moved here with the thought of my child attending NVHS. These boundaries are unreasonable for the residents here. I firmly believe that there are no 204 administrators living in this area. There are a lot of pissed of people here, but no seems to want to listen to our concerns. Why in the world is half of the school district in Aurora? Ask any parent if they are happy with the thought of there child attending school in Aurora. Why then are our taxes so much higher for schools then in Aurora, this is quite unfair. I am quite sad at this schoolboard's ineptness. thanks

Re: varsity sports. I thought only sophs and freshmen are starting at MV in Aug 2009. If so, I guess it is felt that varsity sports are not needed immediately when the school opens since there would be no juniors or seniors. However, I'm sure such a decision will just make for another issue that people will complain about.

I have recently gone through two rigorous college application seasons for 2 children. A highly sought University will only take a certain number of applicants from each high school. If you have your children at a highly competitive h.s....ie: New Trier or Benet, even if you child got a 34 on the ACT, chances are that they will not be considered based on the number of kids going to that school that applied there. Now if you have your 34ACT-child going to the Metea Valley (red-headed step child as it was referred to in here)their chances of getting into that University are much higher. It doesn't matter where these kids are going within D204, it's what you do at home that matters! Keep them involved in activities and another tip for the college apps, don't just have them volunteer a bunch of hours. Have them lead a volunteer project. If your child ends up at the "worse" of the 3, then you shouldn't complain and be thankful that the opportunity for the top is that much attainable than at the other school with .000001% better on their state scores.
Stop staring at the tree and look at the forest as a whole! We have a great school system, yes we may need some work on the worker bees, but don't blame them if you child is not doing well in school. Sit down with your child and help w/their homework, attend their games, volunteer.
I have one child at Northwestern and one waiting to get in. NO, THEY DID NOT GO TO THE TOP H.S. IN D204!!!!!

I have recently gone through two rigorous college application seasons for 2 children. A highly sought University will only take a certain number of applicants from each high school. If you have your children at a highly competitive h.s....ie: New Trier or Benet, even if you child got a 34 on the ACT, chances are that they will not be considered based on the number of kids going to that school that applied there. Now if you have your 34ACT-child going to the Metea Valley (red-headed step child as it was referred to in here)their chances of getting into that University are much higher. It doesn't matter where these kids are going within D204, it's what you do at home that matters! Keep them involved in activities and another tip for the college apps, don't just have them volunteer a bunch of hours. Have them lead a volunteer project. If your child ends up at the "worse" of the 3, then you shouldn't complain and be thankful that the opportunity for the top is that much attainable than at the other school with .000001% better on their state scores.
Stop staring at the tree and look at the forest as a whole! We have a great school system, yes we may need some work on the worker bees, but don't blame them if you child is not doing well in school. Sit down with your child and help w/their homework, attend their games, volunteer.
I have one child at Northwestern and one waiting to get in. NO, THEY DID NOT GO TO THE TOP H.S. IN D204!!!!!

All due respect to Proud Parent of 204, but I think the intention of your email is to do nothing more than continue to divide our communities.

Unlike yourself, I have in fact talked to dozens of parents within TG and the issue that we have is 100% related to distance (not some perceived view that WV is an inferior school, which it is not). Yes, test scores are about the same and other than the fact that NV has newer facilities, WV and NV are both great schools. However, our children will now be divided from half of their middle school classmates (1/2 of Scullen will go to NV and 1/2 will go to WV) and they will have a 40 minute bus ride as opposed to going to a school 1/2 mile away from their homes.

We are in fact over ourselves (and are also proud parents), yet we have an opinion that the new boundaries do not make logical sense (because the location of the third school makes no logical sense). Our children are getting the short end of the stick and thus understandably, we are concerned and do not agree with the tactics that were used by the Board and District to get their referendum passed (which is now completely different than the mandate of the people).

for "So mad we moved out of 203" -- I thought Stonebridge was moving to Metea. What about Ginger Woods? didn't realize those were considered "problem areas"

nice try, buddy.

if your from 203 then ya must know about the frequent fights at Naperville North. I think the Sun did some stories on all the fights. Naperville North receives a lot of "problem" kids as you say. Kids from apartments and modest income families. I think North gets more low income families than Central. But guess what? Naperville North has THE highest test scores of any high school in 203 or 204.

how do ya explain that one?

check it out if you don't believe me. Look up the test scores for North and Central and compare them to NV and WV. Check out the low income stats and compare those too. Looks like the "problem" kids dont interfere with those who are serious about their studies.

These blogs are way too funny. I haven't laughed this hard in my life. Talking lawsuits, not voting for the next ref., etc. You all make this community one big laughing joke. Anyone from the outside must think that this area is one selfish community.

Keep it coming, with the weather as bad as it is this give me someting to smile about.

Stay Warm!

Sub Teacher,

There will be some kids who now will miss some varsity opportunities in the sports you list. Last I heard, no varsity sports will be offered at MV for at least 2 years after it opens. Do you have any more up to date information about a varsity program actually being there or will it be absent for those kids (many of who have had aspirations of playing them until this announcement) ?

Enough with the Tall Grass reaction...how are the residents of White Eagle feeling knowing they are getting switched to WV instead of MV?

I do notice that many communities with higher home values (WE, TG, Ashwood Park)will be moving to WV. That should improve some of the PERCEIVED differences between the schools over the next several years. It is clear that the parents in these communities are passionate about their childrens' education...ultimately, I think that bodes well for the future of WV.

I will NEVER vote for another referendum put forth by the 204 Board and expect that I am not alone in my thinking. I voted NO to the first referendum, and I only changed my mind based on the boundaries that were distributed prior to the second vote (yes, I embarrased to say that I voted yes the second time around).

Meeting with lawyers this week who are experts on school board referendums and hopefully will be able to raise enough money to fund a lawsuit against the Administration and School Board to stop this nonsense.

Life's short. Should you pay taxes to IPSD, your kids will receive an excellent education, period. Think about all the great opportunities our kids will have with the 3rd HS with another basketball team, track, football, baseball, swimming, dance, plays and the rest of the fine arts. The third HS will loosen the belt on all the schools and offer opportunities that our kids deserve. Test scores will undoubtedly increase because of smaller class sizes. Everybody is smart enough to know that you can't make everybody happy all the time. I am confident that the board and admin acted in the best interest of our kids. Voice your concerns--sure. Please use diplomacy. Our kids will likely read this at some point.

Ready...Set...Go....
Let the complaining of WE and TG begin!!! After their imature behavior during the last time we talked boundaries I expect the same to continue. You should be proud your kids attend such a fine District like 204. If you are not happy move, I'm sure even in this buyers market your home will sell fine even if your kids (GASP!!!) have to attend WV. It isn't about distance, it's about what you perceive as one HS being better then the other. Fact is, scores are pretty darn close. Here's an idea, since you're so high on youselves make WV a great HS, better then NV and MV.
I built my home in District 204 for a reason, for the schools and the community. I'm happy no matter what HS my kids go to in 204. Get over yourselves!! You're not any better then anyone else in the District.

In August of 2009, my daughter will be a senior and my son will be a freshman.
Right now my kids go to NV, but in '09 they would go to WV per the SB's info.

Will the '09 senior go to NV or WV?
Is the SB really going to take the '09 senior out of NV and send her to WV? If not, is the SB going to provide two sets of buses in my sub-division, one for NV and one for WV?

Mark,
You can't file a lawsuit on the grounds that you don't like the boundaries. Any judge will throw it out. They'll be breaking ground in a month or so. Move on.

Here's what no one is seeing- -Matea is the new red-haired step child. Don't you get it?? If I were to rank the 3 schools based on potential academic performance, I would say NV-WV-MV. The new high school will be pulling a good portion of our lower income families (ie: the apartments by the train station or the townhomes across from the mall). Where as Waubonsie will be getting White Eagle, Tall Grass, etc. Like it our not that will seriously change the current demographics of WV and MV. Not polically correct? Too bad. I volunteer with many individuals that currently work at WV, and the new areas that MV will be pulling from are ALL of the "problem" areas. These are the areas where the kids are violent, and parents are non-existent. An obvious cause & effect? Sure, but why can't we have a more equitable split among all socio-economic areas. Unbelievable SB politics. Go make a name for yourself, Mr. Superintendent...Scare everyone to vote for your bogus ref w/a bait and switch on boundaries. I feel bad for the teachers when the next educational ref. comes to fruition. Who is going to trust these people with any more of our hard earned $$??

Mark,
Why waste more of the entire district's money to defend a law suit? Enough was already wasted legal fees for the BB site. The kids in the entire district are the ones that that will have to suffer if more money has to be spent to defend a law suit. What are you thinking?

As a family who has just purchased a home in Ashwood Creek from out of state (because of this wonderful community enviornment and superior school district, I can only say that the for sale sign in front of my home can not go up soon enough! This is insanity! This is one of the most divisive and angry communities I have ever seen..........I would encourage all, and will hold true to the mantra, to keep your eye on the ball and to hold acccountable those who are making the decisions.

Question from Moderator Jim: Having just bought your home, are you really going to turn around that quickly and put it on the market?

OK, so is anyone really surprised? If there are ANY LAWYERS who have a backbone, someone has to stop the insanity. There simply needs legal action; period. A runaway train is the best comparison. And ONLY A COURT will stop these people.

1. A court was the only thing that set them straight with the BB Land. Let's face it, THEY WERE SO OFF IT WASN'T EVEN FUNNY. Thus, it took a lawsuit.

2. A court will be the only thing now that stops them from the ULTIMATE BAIT AND SWITCH game. A) Refferendum language said pass a school, BUT THE ENTIRE VOTING PUBLIC WAS VOTING FOR THE SCHOOL ON BB. This is WHY THE REF FAILED BEFORE. No boundaries. No school site.

3. Based upon the SB's own logic, the school is illegal and wrong; they admitted the school could not be built because the referendum voters said "no" to UNTIL they knew the boundaries.

4. OK, so they gave us the boundaries. Thus, the ref is bound to those boundaries. As they were marketed to the voters so they can decide.

There should be a class action lawsuit to remove this board, to recall them. They are now back at the first refrendum, where the vote did not pass. Yet, they are using the FALSE vote from the referendum for their justification to build the school.

Shame on them. It amounts to our children getting a grade for an F, then turning around and resubmitting the work with a different sheet of paper but the same answers on a test. Now it's an A...

Everyone please note that Anonymous said to vote down the operating budget. I don't know 204 since 1991 but they don't need to be blamed for comments they didn't make.

I absolutely agree! Voting down the operating budget is irrational and insane!!!This person doesn't strike me as the type that really cares about innocent students ....hmmmmm

Stonebridge:
-elementary, middle within subdivision, h.s. 1.5 miles away
-access to I88: 5-10mins
-Rt 59 train station: 3miles
-close enough to all RT 59 shopping, but not at front door

White Eagle:
-schools all over the place
-access to I88: 30minutes if you get all green lights and no traffic (yeah right!)
-RT 59 train station: 25mins
-RT 59 shoppers right at your front door

We have several homes for sale in our hood and we are looking for new members too! Buy now when the market is down, it's only going up from here. We welcome all, we are a diverse community and proud of it!

hey 204 since 1991,
Suggesting that the operation budget be defeated for MVHS is just plain hateful toward the innocent students who want the same education as the students at NVHS and WVHS.

Anonymous,

Now that makes a lot of sense to vote down the referendum. Do you really think property values won't fall because of that. Who in their right mind would buy a home in a district with an empty school building with 2 overcrowded HS. No one who has half a sense would do that. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Property values in the WV area did not fall when NV opened. They continued to grow just as fast as everyhwere else. The housing market is not down in this area because of the IPSD SB decsion. Read the papers, watch the news. You will learn that housing is down everywhere across America.

And if all those who think the SB is doing a lousy job, why don't you run and spend countless hours away from your family like they do. I personally do not have the time and I thank those who do. Am I happy with every decision they make, heck no but I have to live with it. Instead of complaining why don't all you people who think you can do a better job run. It's typical of people to complain but never do anything to make it better.

Hey: 204 since 1991

Do you ever get cramps from patting yourself on the back?

The damage is done so we need to focus on next steps...

One...school board elections in 2009. We need to make sure people are seated that are rationale minded and will act with common sense (and who are not too proud to step back and fix their mistakes).

Two...We need to start acting now to make sure the 2010 Operating referendum is defeated. The 142 million (and counting) dollars is wasted money, but they will not be able to operate Metea without an operating referendum passing.


I totally agree with the comments from anonymous. As a district 204 resident since 1991, I lived here several years before Neuqua was built and all of the kids attended WV. The perception that NV was somehow better was perpetuated by the press as they did stories on the brand new "state of the art" school. WV was upgraded at about the same time with the same amenities ....it just wasn't as newsworthy at the time. As time passed, and the rivalry grew, kids, real estate agents and home buyers bought in to the idea that NV was somehow "superior" to the other H.S. In fact, some of this started happening as people had kids actually attending both schools! We would laugh about it as we all knew the truth.
... I am amused when I read panicked retorts regarding the possibility of one's children potentially attending GASP! Waubonsie Valley. My child recently scored a 98% on the Benet entrance exam when we were weighing all of our H.S. options. He had friends with Benet siblings score in the upper 60th percentile that are attending there now.The truth is, it doesn't matter if the school has an ACT avg. of 22, 24 or 28. What matters is what YOUR kid scores! My child chose WV for the multitude of AP/Honors offerings taught by award winning educators, activities, Arts and the diverse (real world) population. He is thriving, scored a 35 on the ACT and will likely attend a top University with scholarship! I've heard comments such as "my home value will drop if our kids don't go to NV". Our district H.S. addition has NOTHING to do with home values ...it has everything to do with overcrowded schools. Take a look at home values nationally. Your home value in your own little corner of the real estate market is not reliant nor reflective solely upon which superb district #204 school your children ultimately attend. Your children will succeed and thrive at any of the three #204 schools.The curriclum is and will be IDENTICAL. We need to give our kids a little more credit and realize they possess the ability to succeed regardless of which building they attend classes in.

Well the boundaries are posted on the website.

It is unbelieveable to me that $150M buys us 3 full elementary schools getting bussed to the farthest high school in the district (Owen, Watts, Cowlishaw). And those bus times are hard to believe. How are they going to get kids from south of Owen 12 miles north in rush hour traffic in 35 minutes? I see the plan is to add busses. Which adds costs. It just goes to show how very wrong this site is for our district. In no time the cost difference between this site and Brach-Brodie will be eaten up in transportation costs.

Looks like TG and WE are going to WVHS.

NVHS still the most number of kids at almost 4k

Ted,


If WV were located where NV is then I would want me kids to go there. It all comes down to being the school closest to your home. By being close the kids have opportunities they may not have if they have to travel much farther.

Note from Ted:

OK, good answer, thanks for the response. But you do see how the school board can't simply go by that formula, right? If circles were drawn around each school to create attendance areas, several things would occur: part of the circles would be outside the district boundaries; parts of the district would either not be in any circle or the circles would be so large they would overlap; and because of population imbalances within the district one school would end up having a much larger enrollment than another.

I think Schoolmom makes a good point. If your unhappy with IPSD204 and don't like its direction then you might have to move on. Fry was way too big and crowded for my taste. We left Tall Grass and built home in Jefferson Estates. Its great being close to downtown Naperville and our kids walk to their new school All Saints. We still have close ties to friends in Tall Grass so I have my fingers crossed that all this works out they way they want. But if not then you might have to consider a change.

Ted: I don't think I can explain this well, but I'll give it a shot. You said, "I'm sorry, I still don't get why Tall Grass residents object to their children going to WVHS." Obviously my comments won't speak for everyone in TG, so I can only comment upon conversations with my former neighbors and acquaintances there. I know families who specifically built their homes in Tall Grass so that their children would NOT attend WV. They wanted their kids at Neuqua and believed that a home in TG would guarantee them the high school of their choice. I know that many of you will say that's naive because we all buy into 204, not a particular school's zone, but that's what I was told. Many of these families left WV neighborhoods like Oakhurst, Stonebridge and other Aurora sub-divisions because they did not want their kids going to WV. We moved here from another state, so I don't know all the history that makes families feel like this, but that's what they told me. Maybe those of you who have been in the area for a long time can address why that perception even exists.

Sadly, perception creates realities in people's minds. Many of my former neighbors were very convincing with their arguments why they wanted TG to remain at NV. Some of them had older children who had actually attended WV, so their ability to compare and contrast the schools carried a lot of weight with me. My husband and I bought into it hook, line and sinker, so we left the uncertainty at TG. In a somewhat similar vein, I know families that love the old world charm of the homes in Kinloch, but they wouldn't move there because the elementary school sits in Bolingbrook. Again, this probably sounds crazy to everyone reading this, but those are the types of comments that I've heard people make.

On some level I suppose all of the hype surrounding Naperville being a "best city" plays into people's minds. (It definitely played into us selecting Naperville as our Chicago area home.) So folks expect their kids to attend schools within Naperville's city limits since they purchased a home within those limits. I'm neither criticizing nor praising those families; these are just my observations. I've said far too much on this thread, so I'm exiting from the stage.

Why does school mom care about what happens. You have moved and apparently you will stay at Neuqua. I don't get your negative comments about TG. Be thankful that your not in the position that all of the families are in TG. Count your blessings and show some compassion for your old neighbors and friends.

Note from Ted:

I'm sorry, I still don't get why Tall Grass residents object to their children going to WVHS.

Hi, all, host here. Overall the discussion this time around is more civil on this topic, though I detect some lingering sense that some Tall Grass residents feel entitled to be assigned to the Neuqua Valley H.S. attendance area.

Here are my thoughts on the matter:

Throw proximity out the window. It doesn't matter that your home may be closer to NVHS than WVHS. The school board has to somewhat evenly divide the high school population among three facilities. This is one of the hardest things a school board has to do. Now that we know Metea's location, it's a reasonable expectation that MVHS's attendance area will primarily consist of the northern part of the district, WVHS's attendance area will cover the western and southwestern part of the district, leaving NVHS with the east central subdivisions.

It's a matter of looking at the district's population now and what it might be a few years from now, and trying to fairly divide it into three. It's impossible for each of the three high schools to be located in the center of its attendance area. Just impossible.

Now, I have no idea what the attendance areas are going to be when they are unveiled. But I know that gerrymandering has been around for as long as elected officials have been drawing borders. Will the boundaries be perfect? Unlikely. Will they please everyone? Impossible. Will they be fair? Let's hope so, we'll soon find out.

Finally just let me repeat that I believe both existing 204 high schools to be of equal excellence and I'm sure the third one will match the other two in quality.

Brad204: Completely agree with your comments about SB elections. God knows we need some improvements on that front. I've seen your comments on the various blogs from time to time, so I hope you're interested in running. We need some new blood and fresh perspectives because the current crew just isn't cutting it.

By the way, all of my children are either elementary aged (at Patterson) or preschoolers, so we have a looong way to go before we hit Neuqua, or whatever school we'll be zoned for by then, so I'm sure the administrative team will be set by the time my children get there. Your comments about the overcrowding at Neuqua (hinged with just the right amount of sarcasm and humor, which I loved) will only fan the flames that some of the larger sub-divisions "on the bubble" should be pulled out of NV and assigned to WV or MV. You probably didn't mean to infer that, but everyone's concerns about the overcrowding will mean that some neighborhoods will have to be re-assigned.

And finally, no I don't consider myself a "winner" in all of this mess. With a little luck we'll be out of Naperville before the oldest children enter high school. I'll consider myself a winner when I'm gone.

P.S. - I had similar concerns about the powerlines running through some parts of Ashbury, but we dealt with those in TG, too. Not to mention the annoying fuel fumes from the schoolbus yard at TG. Ugh! Try having your windows open on nice mornings or evenings. If the fumes don't get you, then the noise of all those engines rumbling will do so.

Ugh, the only thing worse than a bad loser is a bad winner… (And no I am not from TG)

Dear school mom,

I think Ausbury is a very nice sub-division. I had the same choice, but I chose differently. I was a bit concerned about the future 95th Street running down the middle of Ausbury like a super highway to Bolingbrook. I will say I am very excited about taking advantage of that road at top speed to get to Weber Rd. I was also concerned about the crackling powers lines at the back of the open lots I looked at a year and a half ago.

Neuqua is a great school. It has been the new kid on the block for what 11 years. I am sure it will adjust well to being the middle child :) Neuqua is a great facility but it was also lucky to have such an incredible staff under the guidance of Kathy Birkett. Of course I believe with departure of your current principle, Michael Popp, that entire staff has now moved on. I have heard recently that Neuqua is having some growing pains. In fact some would say it’s over crowded and will continue to be over crowded even after the new boundaries. Something about poorly designed hallways.

I also hear there is a new school going up north. It will have the best of everything. And it will certainly not have the problem of being over crowded or poorly designed. Those that buy homes to ensure their kids go to the perceived best and newest school will moving up to MVHS area. You might want to go check out Stone Bridge.

End Note…

Is the above note silly? Sure it is. But I think people need to be good winners and good losers in this process. Have some empathy for people. Try to understand their point of view.

There are four seats due for SB elections in 2009. A majority of these seats may just be wide open without incumbents. There is a 2010 operational referendum that will need to be passed. Our current superintendent is only on a three year contract. And the district still grows. Things are far from set in stone and there are plenty of things that can be done without moving.

We need to find away to pull this district back together again. Alienating an entire voting block is not a great plan. By the way, it is this voting block that stood behind the new school when many would not. So let them vent and for gosh sakes stop being so superior.

Anonymous (posted Feb 11th @ 05:31 PM),
I'm certainly not trying to divide a neighborhood. Didn't realize I had that much power. In fact, I sold my home that was in a fractured and divided neighborhood. We met several nice families in TG, but there were others that I'm glad we left behind.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone because I didn't sit around waiting for someone else to help me. No, I didn't personally speak out on behalf of any neighborhood that was rezoned. Not even my former sub-division TG that was re-zoned (so we thought) to MV. I did send a few emails to the SB, but you obviously know how much good that did. Would be happy to contact the SB again, but I'm sure some folks here wouldn't like my recommendations.

Bottom-line is that I didn't sit around waiting for someone else to speak out on my behalf and save me. I took action and moved my family the heck out of TG. It seemed extreme to my TG neighbors at the time, but many of them call me now and wish that they had gotten out when the housing market was a bit stronger. Good luck to you all, but I recommend that you take some action and stop waiting for everyone else to help you because, sadly, it probably will not happen. Hope I'm proven wrong...

To Schoolmom:

You are the only person I have seen or heard commenting about the price of your home.

And you know what? I don't care what you paid or what your tax bill is.

And after reading your comments - I'm glad you left.

Midnight Rambler,

I think you've brought to light some very valid points. Why is it that residents of Tall Grass need to feel defensive?

Why is it that the school board/district isn't being blamed for our current debacle? Could it be that they have masterfully shifted the discussion into the emotional debate over boundaries?

I'm stunned that there seems to be little public outrage over the situation we are in but yet, much talk on blogs, proboards, etc. over which neighborhoods, elementary schools deserve to go where and why...

Seems to me the school board members have seen the movie "Wag the Dog." Take the heat off the school board by creating yet another fight in the district.

Brilliant move. Divert criticism over our current situation (and yes, they are to blame in my opinion) and move it to boundaries.

And, even better, create another villian to take the blame off their unwise course of action in pursuing BB relentlessly for years with NO BACK UP PLAN. Seems to me they've found and labeled their villian. Southwest Naperville. It's all our fault.

Seems they are really good at diverting the real issue. Unfortunately, it's our kids that will pay the price for their lack of judgement.

School mom,


It's comments like yours that divide neighborhoods. If you personally haven't helped out Ashwood why would you expect others too. So before you point the fingers at others why don't you try and help the situation. Contact the SB and tell them to do what is best for all of district 204.

Hi Mr. Potter,
It is sometimes challenging to share things via email, so allow me to clarify. My point is that instead of lamenting about my situation, I took some action to ensure my satisfaction with the outcome. That is, I built a home in an area that ensures (at least today) that I'll be zoned for the schools of my choice. Nobody cares that I was going to build a $1M+ home in Ashwood Park prior to the rezoning. I didn't feel the need to tell everyone how much I was going to pay for my home or shout to the rafters the amount of my property tax bill.

Some (not all) of the folks posting here who state they reside in TG seem to convey a feeling that the SB should accommodate their sub-division because of the price they paid for their home. If the TG families take a step back, I'm sure they'll see why this argument does absolutely NOTHING to help their cause. It is divisive at best and downright offensive at worst.

Don't mean to sound cold, but I took action to do what was best for my family. I wasn't sitting around waiting for everyone to feel sorry for me because my nice expensive home was re-zoned and my kids were going to have a (gasp) longer bus ride -- possibly across (gasp) railroad tracks. I sold my nice home in a great neighborhood (TG, in fact) that was being re-zoned to MV, and I built a nicer one in an even better neighborhood that isn't being re-zoned. Glad we sold when we did.

For midnight rambler: No one expects TG to be treated any differently. On the contrary, TG will be treated exactly like Ashwood and the other sub-divisions that were re-zoned. You should expect the same amount of sympathy and assistance that others who have been rezoned received -- absolutely nothing. Not trying to be harsh, but I want you to be prepared for the reality of the situation. You are absolutely correct when you state that you "didn't witness ANY area defending another last time around." However, the difference is that I don't recall those other sub-divisions making crass statements about how much they paid for their homes and how much their property taxes are. I must admit that I was shocked to hear that type of rhetoric being public stated by my former neighbors. Just be prepared to be treated like all the other neighborhoods that had their high school designation altered. Afterall, you just want TG residents to be treated just like everybody else, right? Good luck.

JWH,

Yes, the site has been chosen. The site was chosen in 2006 too when they did this boundary announcement previously. Like last time also, they are announcing the boundaries before there is ink on the paper.

Let's hope this time they don't do yet another "Just kidding, do over!"

Question?

Where was the outrage in Ashbury when the School Board sent the Ashwood Creek residents to WVHS?

I thought it was outrageous as you do to send Ashwood Creek to WVHS as an island.

Did you (or any of your Ashbury neighbors)go "to the mat" for Ashwood Creek? Or, because you are in Neuqua now and Neuqua later did you decide to not voice any opposition to a the Ashwood to WVHS attendance area.

I'm not sure what your point is?
Just curious.

To Schoolmom:

It's always the same argument - TG should be treated differently because they did something wrong.....

I've had enough of it.

The boundary process should be impartial, fair, logical and above all not punative to any area. This is not a popularity contest. This is supposed to be about what is best for the CHILDREN of the district.

So I've simply had enough of someone justifying an illogical outcome because they've decided they didn't like the way someone behaved once upon a time...or some email someone alledgedly received...blah blah blah.

As to your accusation, I didn't witness ANY area defending another last time around. The district all turned us against each other (and I think they're doing it again). Did ANYONE say anything about Ashwood? Did Ashbury? Did River Run? Did Stillwater? Did White Eagle? So why single out TG again?

I actually did hear people in TG say they felt badly for Brookdale and I did hear people say the Ashwood outcome did not make sense. And I heard ALOT of people speak up about how wrong it would be to punish that area in any way because the SB doesn't like the developer. So I would disagree with your assertion all the way around.

But I am most tired of the agenda to use popularity to justify an outcome. It shouldn't have anything to do with how well a certain area is "liked" - and it seems there has been some sort of campaign to attach a certain perception that I don't believe is even true.

TG if I'm not mistaken is the largest subdivision in the district. There are more children in the district from TG than any other area. That translates into more adults who reside here than any other area. The people I know are fair-minded, good people who care about their children's education. And I think they are getting tired of being labeled as something they are not and having the district and the SB use that to justify an illogical outcome.

Joe,

Some students will have to be pulled from the middle section of the District. My point is that they hopefully draw boundaries minimizing distances. The site has been chosen.

JWH,

The problem as I understand it is that basing the boundaries on 'geography' can not happen because there are not enough students closest to the norther location to properly fill it.

Geography will have to take a back seat to bring MV up to capacity. Due to this, calling the boundaries 'geography based' will not be true. It just won't be if people are going to have to settle for the 2nd closest school or even the farthest school from their house.

To fill it, people will have to be pulled from another school that is literally just blocks away from their homes and others will have to spend more time on a bus than the longest trip that currently exists today.

It seems just short of ridiculous that this situation is what almost $150 million 'buys' the district.

Question: How many Tall Grass residents went to the mat for those in Ashwood Creek/Park when that neighborhood was re-zoned out of Neuqua to Waubonsie? That change was made prior to all the other re-zoning changes. Ashwood children would be grouped with friends from other neighborhoods for elementary (Peterson now, Kendall/Graham earlier) and middle (Crone), but stripped away from the surrounding sub-divisions and sent to WV for high school.
I attended a few of those heated Board meetings and the TG residents were silent on that change.

We had considered building a home in Ashwood but scrapped the idea after the boundary change. Ultimately we narrowed our decision to Ashbury and River Run. Loved the lot sizes in River Run, but we wanted to build a new home so we opted for the final phase of Ashbury, which was a wonderful decision for us. It's a great neighborhood (great families, terrific pool/clubhouse/tennis courts) with strong schools (Patterson, Crone, Neuqua). Yes, we strategically selected that neighborhood because we knew it was zoned for Neuqua today AND Neuqua tomorrow. No changes for us.

Hate to sound cold, but I just didn't see TG families citing these same "issues and concerns" when it meant changes for other sub-divisions. If NV is that important to you, then check out homes in Ashbury, River Run, Clow Creek, High Meadow, Harmony Grove and other neighborhoods that are currently safely tucked away into Neuqua's zone. But just remember that change is always possible...

I expect the boundaries released on Tuesday to be as geographically based as possible, which will eliminate as much anguish to those moved. I believe (hope) test score equaliziation takes a back seat to geography.

Tuesday will be an interesting day. I have seen a lot of interesting proposals created by dedicated members of the community. What I have learned form each proposal, is there are unique issues/concerns across the district. Speaking in very general terms: You have proud warriors who live north and west of WVHS who would prefer not to be moved north. You have groups in the south who would like not to be moved from NVHS to the north/west. You have people in the north who are concerned their new school is going to become an island while NVHS and WVHS will be more integrated. Again, these are just generalities.

Given the location of the MVHS, its looks like we are left with The second closest school doctrine. In my opinion, many families are going to be asked to go to their second closest school. Some may be asked to go to their third closest school.

This burden has been on the backs of other families for years. However, in my opinion a hundred and forty one million dollars should do more than just shift a burden from on family to another. However this is where the process has brought us.

What I would ask from Tuesday’s information release is detail. When the boundaries come out, I would like the all input and the calculations. The decision making process should be transparent and well explained. I would not like to hear about emails received or about making new schools out of well established schools. While no amount of detail will satisfy everyone, it might just go a long way to helping people embrace their first, second or third closest school.

To the host:

While I agree that such a statement would normally "fight ignorance and negativity", the situation is a little more complex.

I think what is at play here is some in the district (including the SB) have been able to label certain areas in a negative way and this in turn justifies certain outcomes which wouldn't make any sense at all.

Going back to the last boundary situation, TallGrass started out in the Neuqua attendance area in every scenario but one. Clearly it makes sense to keep TG at Neuqua due to the proximity and the construction of the pedestrian bridge and this was the thinking at the beginning of the process. However, as the process continued, the area became "labeled" and suddenly, TallGrass had no scenarios keeping them at Neuqua. Such "labeling" was really just a smokescreen for someone's agenda.

How can the district justify sending an area much farther away than would make sense? By labeling the area and then "punishing" them. It clearly must serve some purpose to the SB to send TallGrass to another school. Maybe it's Bruce Glawe who has an agenda regarding his own subdivision. Maybe it's to prop up the test scores at other schools. Maybe it's simple jealousy that people bought into a nice neighborhood and paid a premium to be close to all three schools their children would attend. I think some people are determined to muck this up out of spite.

Whatever the case may be, I know I am really tired of it. TallGrass should absolutely not be treated in a manner any different from any other area. Period.

And if TallGrass is treated differently and unfairly through this process, then the residents of the neighborhood should come together and do something about it. Enough is enough.

I am tired of reading negative comments towards my subdivision (Tall Grass). Yes, I am sure there are a few obnoxious people in my community, but that is a minority. There are 1000 homes in my subdivision alone, plus Pencross knolls and the many town homes which are part of Tall Grass and the ones directly next to our subdivision. A few comments from others, do not represent a entire community. I saw obnoxious people from Brookdale at the school board meeting, but I know that does not represent that community (the one who made the comment that the southwest side just does not want to go to Waubonsie based on a few emails that she read). If Waubonsie was in my back yard you better believe I would be fighting to stay there as well. The majority of people I have spoken to just want to go to the closest high school and yes our kids will walk. Some, may not but that is a choice. My kids will use that bridge, both my husband and I work and walking will not be a option but a necessity. I would think that the people in the district would want as many walkers as there can be. We already are spending a large amount of money on our new high school and loads of money has already been wasted by our lovely school board. By having the maximum amount of walkers that is money in everybodies pocket. Why not save money on transportation costs. Wow, there is a concept, save money. When I hear negative remarks it makes me think that those people must feel threatened in some way.

Note from host:

The best way to fight ignorance and negativity is by saying something educational and positive, like, "Tallgrass is a solid community whose residents are as open-minded about boundary options as residents in any other subdivision."

These blogs are great. As an outsider relocating to Chicago it's given me a chance to weed out looking at a home in Naperville whether it be in 203 or 204. We chose Naperville because of the schools but now that I've done a little bit of homework I see that yes you may have great schools but the community as a whole is clearly at odds with each other and it's the haves vs. have nots.

I understand that New Trier is the top school in the country. May consider looking in that area or other districts near there.


To "anonymous" who made the derogatory comment. Please. Let's keep comments civil. It is chidish comments like yours that fuel this debate and cloud the entire issue. So unnecessary.

We are sorry that it bothers so many that we feel we are part of the Nequa community; that we purchased homes specifically because of the proximity to the high school; because our elementary school kids have attended many many events at Nequa; that our kids swim at Fox which is at Nequa; that we feel very strongly that we are a part of that school.

Those that label us and defame would feel the same way if they lived in our community. We are a great community filled with folks just like you and we just want our kids to go the closest school; the one that is a part of our every day life. The last boundary decision left the south west corner of Naperville going to all 3 high schools. Standing on the corner of 103rd and stepping across in any direction places you in a different school. How is that good for a community? We were gerrymandered to make stats look good on paper-that is NOT in the best interest of our kids or community. If you were in our place, what would you do?? How would you feel? We are trying to represent the facts which does include a strong sense of community and kinship to Nequa, the close proximity; the walking bridge we will ABSOLUTELY use; wanting southwest Naperville to be one community: a Nequa community. we have a highschool in the north, central, and south and the boundaries should be drawn the same way, not gerrymandered to make stats look better which just short changes the kids.

Note from host:

Sorry, I shouldn't have allowed Anonymous' post--trying to keep things on the high road this time. Wouldn't do any good to delete now as it's copied in another person's reply. We see that Anonymous made an ignorant comment, that point has been made, let's try to be more civil from here forward.

Why all the negativity towards Tall Grass. These are good hard working people who just want the school closest to their homes. Whether or not you chose to believe what they say. The simple truth is you have alot of households with two working parents. They want to have their kids have an opportunity to be involved in after school activities. Maybe they won't walk or ride bikes all the time, but sometimes they will have to. Try putting yourselves in their place and maybe you would have a better understanding. What if the location of the high school were to change then maybe you would be singing a differnt tune.

Hey- "want some cheese with that wine"

Do you live in Naperville? Pay the same tax bill? Somehow, I don't think you do but you are quick to envy those of us that have paid the taxes to have a such amenities.

Yes! Those of us in Naperville pay different taxes than those in Aurora, Plainfield, Bolingbrook, etc.

While the 204 portion is the same for all the above mentioned areas, the city portion is different.

So YES!!! We in Naperville have paid for our libraries, parks, bridges, etc.

Did you pay for the Naperville libraries, parks, pedestrian bridges with your own $$, or are you quick to criticize those of us who have?

What is your point? We all(in 204) pay the same % for schools. You brought in other factors. Can you explain how those are relevant to your point?

What's your point?

Wow! Anonymous that posted the following"

"Last I checked, my taxes go to all schools in IPSD 204. Remember you live in IPSD 204 not Nequa. GET OVER YOURSELVES. You sound like a bunch of winey little school girls who didn't get asked to the dance."

First of all, it's NEUQUA. Sorry couldn't resist. Makes me nutty when people can't spell correctly but yet throw insults at others.

And to add, let's all stop with the insults. It's harmful to the kids.

Did you feel better after you insulted the "winey" (actually correct spelling would be whiney) "little school girls"?

Your post is telling to me. Seems you have something against those "winey (whiney) little school girls that didn't get asked to the dance." Did you have an invitation to the dance? Is there some pent up anger from your high school years that makes you state such things? What the heck are you talking about? Some folks want to walk over a bridge to go to the school closest to them and you state they are "little, winey (whiney) girls that didn't get asked to the dance?

Maybe you need to share that pent up anger with your therapist. Seems kinda nutty to me.

Can I ask, why you are so angry at some people that simply want to stay at a high school that's really close to them?

Is is necessary to call them "winey (whiney) little girls that didn't get asked to the dance?"

Reading your post makes me aware of what the real problem is in 204. Do you know what it is? I do...

Please, for the kids sake, stop being such a nasty.

Your comments were ridiculous, stereotypical, and hateful.

Enough!

Move to 203 where we don't live in 4,000 SF houses and our administration doesn't waste our tax money making stupid decisions. Our taxes will go up with our referendum $82 per year) for our HS - it's unfortunate that the 204 administration is screwing you all.

Sorry, but true.

I guess since you think you pay higher taxes than others that you should only be the ones to have a library, streets and park district available to you. Nobody else does. And like anonymous said you pay taxes into IPSD 204 not one school. Check your tax bill.

Did I read that right? Maximum bus ride is 40 minutes?

Isn't the maximum bus ride today 35 minutes?

If so, then adding another school should DECREASE not INCREASE the maximum ride time.

Spare me the working parent thing. I'm sick and tired of that sob story. Maybe if you didn't pay that "premium" and down sized you wouldn't need to work.

Last I checked, my taxes go to all schools in IPSD 204. Remember you live in IPSD 204 not Nequa. GET OVER YOURSELVES. You sound like a bunch of winey little school girls who didn't get asked to the dance.

Weather or not your child will walk, the school is across the street! The bridge provides that option. Mine will walk. The proximity of the school to our subdivision provides a sence of community. We will see groups of kids walking the bridge to attend football games, going to dances, the library ect.. Remember high school? It gives them the sence of independance while we know they have safe passage. The bridge leads from our Clubhouse to the high school athletic fields. How can there even be any question as to the fact that Neuqua IS OUR COMMUNIY. IT IS WHERE OUR STUDENTS BELONG!

As working parents who chose this community specifically because our children would be able to walk to both middle and high school, you bet my kids will walk thet bridge. Rain, snow whatever there are some parents who don't have the luxury of hopping in the car to drive them because the weather is bad. We paid a premiun in both our home and our taxes to have the location that would allow our children the ability to particpate in after school activities. There is no transportation provided for sports practices, we want our children to enjoy all the clubs and sports high school has to offer. As bus riders with working parents that is not possible. We are in Tall Grass to walk to Neuqua.

That's a long walk, bridge or no bridge, come December or anytime it's raining out. I bet not one of our kids will cross that bridge when the weather changes. And unfortunately our winter months a loooooooooong. So do we really think our kids will make that walk. I think not. So all those from TG who want their kids to walk because it's a mile or less will be driving them. I for one would much rather they take the bus regardless of what school. Reality, deal with it.

I agree.

I understand that the criteria includes distance from school, a max bus ride of max 40 minute, students don't pass one high school to go to another and academic balance. We in Tall Grass hope that menas we stay at Nequa. With the pedestrian bridge under construction we should be considered a walking community. We just want our kids to go to the school thats close to our home.

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