Drop all the lawsuits, don't build the third high school that we don't need, return the referendum money back to the taxpayers, and run the entire school board out of town on a rail. (Also, keep a spot open on the rail for Howie Crouse as well)

This whole thing is disgusting !!!

To help on March 19, 2008 8:29 PM

Would you and the rest of the NSFOC PLEASE stop trying to use terms like 'fraud' and 'bait-and-switch' or at least look them up in a dictionary before using them.

Can somebody please start a "NSFOCfacts" webpage to counter all of the half-truths, lies and mistatements from these people?

I understand that NSFOCfraud.com posted how to cheat the SUN poll, that the SUN was informed of the cheating, and a copy was made of the cheating instructions. The SUN chose to keep the fraudulent poll running even with this knowledge. It is hoped that the SUN will honor its commitment to explain that indeed there was a fraud committed by NSFOCfraud.com when the poll ends.

Wow, now NSFOC is claiming "voting fraud was committed" and asking people to "Let the SUN and other media know your concerns about this poll being accurate."

PLEASE. There CAN'T BE FRAUD because no one EVER said you couldn't vote 10,000 times if you liked. NO online poll will EVER be accurate unless you are checking some ID. The poll wasn't even limited to 204 residents.

If NSFOC wants my support, they need to tone down the ridiculous claims and over-the-top melodramatics.

By 204 on March 18, 2008 9:23 PM
I GUARANTEE if the poll results showed overwhelming support for the NSFOC group that they would be flaunting it all over the place...regardless of whether it's "scientific" or "absolutely accurate".

Face it NSFOC, your narrow-minded opinions do not reflect the opionions of the majority of the community because we have seen through your sham.

Boo Hoo for you and your worthless cause.

204,
I agree because they already DID post that the "majority" of the district agreed with their suit ....until people caught wind of the poll by checking out their nutty website and the results totally reversed! :)The "cookie" thing never worked anyway :)

Dear Naperville Sun,
Please please please remove this poll and do not do a real story on it...how could you? It has lost all meaning. It is useless and, obviously, those who voted "no" will only see "no" and those who voted "yes" will only see "yes"...because there were cheating instructions up "somewhere" and the perception is (right or wrong...it is perception) that those instructions invalidate your results.
So, please. Stop with the poll. Let it go. It's ruined.

I GUARANTEE if the poll results showed overwhelming support for the NSFOC group that they would be flaunting it all over the place...regardless of whether it's "scientific" or "absolutely accurate".

Face it NSFOC, your narrow-minded opinions do not reflect the opionions of the majority of the community because we have seen through your sham.

Boo Hoo for you and your worthless cause.

To Anonymous on March 18, 2008 1:42 PM

Look up 'anonymous proxy' in your favorite search engine.

Really, an IP address can be faked.

I never heard of that one.

I understand you can go to a coffee house with wireless capabilities and use their IP address as Napergatians appeared to have done, but how do you fake an IP address?

I would really like to know?

To AntiHacker on March 17, 2008 4:55 PM: "I HOPE THAT THE SUN TAKES THE TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE IP ADDRESSES. CHEATERS!"

So when the results said 70% were in favor, NSFOC was bragging about that. But when the results turned against them, suddenly it must be because someone is "cheating".

In case you didn't notice:

a) The poll never said you could only vote once.
b) Both sides had the opportunity to vote more than once.
c) IP addresses can be faked as well.

I think you're all childish and I'd venture to guess most of you that are so opposed to this Metra High School live in Naperville. That's really the issue here isn't it... ya'll just don't want that high school in Aurora, you want it back in your precious Naperville because ya'll feel like you're so superior. I really believe that. I grew up in Naperville, I know how people feel. Get over it. It's the same school district. I'll bet if you took a poll of the kids at Neuqua Valley most of them would rather be at Waubonsie. Why?? Because they don't have to "keep up with the Jones'" It won't matter much longer anyway because 1/3 of the people living in the NVHS area will be foreclosed on and there will be nobody left for the high school.

By AntiHacker on March 17, 2008 4:55 PM
What NSFOC doesn't realize that it is very simple to record the IP address of the voter (which can be directly associated with your physical/home address) for each vote. Recording the IP address is about the most simple thing can be done. Most ISP will automatically record those addresses of each visitor. I bet that the data is just sitting there somewhere on a server.

I HOPE THAT THE SUN TAKES THE TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE IP ADDRESSES.

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Mr. Antihacker,
Apparently, you have not been on the latest Napergate Thread. The issues of IPs and tracking them to physical addresses has been discussed extensively on that thread.

While the Naperville Sun has this capability, Host Jim assured the Napergate Bloggers, that the Naperville Sun would never engage in such behavior and everyone will remain anonymous.

Where there was a perception implied by Host Ted that this could be done, blogging dropped off 75%. When Host Jim stated it would never be done, bloggin increased 300% and resumed to better than its prior levels.

So I don't see the Naperville Sun Blog Site comitting suicide anytime soon be tracking blogger IPs to home addresses.

Just review the comments of Host Jim on the latest Napergate Thread and you will see he has an interest in protecting the rights of his anonymous bloggers by keeping them anonymous!

And by the way the Napergatians were aware the IP addresses can be tracked and were blocking in large groups from internet cafes with wireless and satellite capapbility. The Naperville Sun successfully determined that with the help so some antihackers on that thread.

Basically even if the Napeville Sun was trying to track IPs to homes, they would have come up with nothing since the majority of bloggers were a step ahead and were bloggin from public places with wireless capabilities which gave them all the same IP numbers of each location. I guess that shoots your theory that people can be tracked down that easily assuming the Naperville Sun could even care to track anyone down.

Maybe Host Jim can post his remarks from there to here to reassure that IP tracking to homes is not taking place on any thread.

To: AntiHacker

Pay attention!! The clearing of the cookies doesn't work. However, from what I believe I read (maybe our Moderator can clarify) it did work in previous polls, such as the one NSFOC posts on their website regarding support of the Eola site.

It is an unscientific poll as very few probably go online to the Naperville Sun's website. Furthermore, there are many families in Aurora, Bolingbrook and Plainfield as well.

What you're seeing is a sampling of a portion of the district and the results currently are probably pretty accurate. I would even say that they are probably higher oposing the lawsuit because the majority of familes in the Aurora area either aren't affected by the 3rd high school or were in favor of the referendum from the begining.

Then again this is just my opinion.

What NSFOC doesn't realize that it is very simple to record the IP address of the voter (which can be directly associated with your physical/home address) for each vote. Recording the IP address is about the most simple thing can be done. Most ISP will automatically record those addresses of each visitor. I bet that the data is just sitting there somewhere on a server.

I HOPE THAT THE SUN TAKES THE TIME TO LOOK AT THOSE IP ADDRESSES.

I would love to see that data. And then find those few people who are placing the hundreds of votes to skew the data.

CHEATERS!

To Anonymous on March 17, 2008 12:30 PM

You are "really, really, really, stupid...and mean and unfair and I don't like you (and you are ugly and stupid and mean)."

Anonymous 12:30 PM

What a immature posting. You complain about the other websites, painting NSFOC as a saintly group of people only looking out for the best interests of the district as a whole. Funny that you chose to post the following quote from the NSFOC website

"Our goal is to get the IPSD school board members to SLOW DOWN, RETHINK AND REDO the new high school, the boundaries, their own criteria and fiscal responsibility"

as the stated goal of the group, but currently all you hear about are the environmental concerns NSFOC has for the Eola site. So what is it that this group is really suing over? Here is what a great many of 204 residents think the NSFOC lawsuit is about: The new high school(only at BB), boundaries(staying at NV), their own criteria(staying at NV),and fical responsibility(and then they sue the district!) Where are your environmental concerns in the above statement? First this group says one thing, then it says another. I don't think this group knows what it is doing, but I do think they have latched onto the supposed environmental issues as a cover for their real concerns. Let the environmental reports be made public and then state your concerns.

NSFOC WEBSITE...

Our goal is to get the IPSD school board members to SLOW DOWN, RETHINK AND REDO the new high school, the boundaries, their own criteria and fiscal responsibility.

NSFOC FRAUD WEBSITE:

We hate you and you are really, really, really, stupid...and mean and unfair and I don't like you (and you are ugly and stupid and mean). We are mild mannered parents, but you are not, and we hate you and you are really, really, really, stupid...and mean and unfair. Joni and Tyle think you are really, really mean too, don;t you Tyle and Joni!

IPSD 204 WEBSITE as of last week:

"We will not be derailed and will close on the EOLA property on March 19th. Breaking ground on April 1st. Everything is safe...trust us.

IPSD 204 WEBSITE(as of today):

"No comment"

IPSD WEBSITE next week

The new land selection process will be announced on April 15, 2008, with the new boundary recomendations to be announced shortly thereafter and well before new land is purchased (NO PUBLIC COMMENT WELCOME)!

This is so bogus. This lawsuit is simply because of money and egos and NOT the children. If they were so concerned about the children then they would use the money they raise for attorney fees to be spent directly to the schools. This is nuts and I pray the 3rd school is built on Eola Road without issue.

Rachel - I totally agree. The SB and SD needs to start WORKING with people, not acting arrogant and pompous and unaccountable. They are elected officials - this is a democracy - not an aristocracy! The lawsuit by NSFOC is chump change compared to walking away from Brach-Brodie at a cost of 20M.

All of the bloggers devoting time to trashing NSFOC should be spending more of their time talking to the SB and asking them WHY are we running up these kinds of tabs? Why can't you get some resolution? WHY spend 2 years in court - with all the legal fees and lost construction time ONLY to walk away when it nears completion AND have to pay MORE fees? WHY? Why do the taxpayers of this district not care? WHY is it easier to yell at a group that does care and not demand more from our own elected officials? WHY?

Patti,

I agree with you! The attorneys in the District 204 issue are completley out of control. Dick Fursteanu is looking inexpensive at 520,000 bucks.

Something is not adding up if the Napergate Man can get thru 5 years of litigation for 75k and our District 204 is facing 10 million and 20 million in legal fees like money grows on trees in taxpayer yards.

Have these yoyos ever heard of making a deal? Of capping attorney fees? Of getting estimates?

What diver jumps in the water without knowing the depth?

It sounds like the Board dived without knowing the depth and hit their heads on the bottom of the pool. They have been INCAPCITATED!

Where are the LIFEGUARDS when you need them!

Patty,
The SB and the taxpayers are being sued(legal term for robbed) by unethical, manipulative, coniving cash mongers who are effectively abusing our legal system that our forefathers set forth to defend all of us.Folks they are part of a new legal subculture poised to "work the system".
Direct your anger where it belongs ...these "lawyers" should be ashamed of themselves. I guess people can justify any action by claiming it to be the "right thing to do" in their own warped sense of reality.Add a couple million dollars and it becomes VERY RIGHT.

At the end of the road...can they say they made a difference while they lived ? Yes they can. They robbed vulnerable people blind by abusing a profession created to protect the innocent. Congratulations! You must be proud!!!!

By MH on March 17, 2008 8:28 AM
Awwww, poor NSFOC,

You weren't able to fake this poll in your favor (like the last one), so now it's the work of the other group. Gotta try something else.

And yes, quite amazing the power lines running right through Tall Grass. How about the large school bus station by White Eagle, spewing diesel exhaust through the neighborhood. Their sites are not safe!!!

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There is no large school bus station by White Eagle. It's actually south of 95th.

All these lawsuits are out of control. Apparently attorneys of all colors, stripes and sides, figured Disctrict 204 has deep pockets and are suing left and right. They are most probably PADDING their hours. I noticed attorneys this morning in the Naperville Sun stating the damages in the BB parcel will now reach 20 million, a huge portion which is for LEGAL FEES! Damn it, the entire parcel only cost 31 million!

In my opinion all this is fraud being perpetuated on the TAXPAYER! In a civil rights action against the City of Naperville, the Napergate Man only requested $75,000 for all his legal fees and costs on multiple fronts, that lasted half a decade and involved City Courts, County Courts, and Federal Courts plus State and Federal Appellant Courts.

If one really gives this some serious thought, common sense would indicate all these lawyers involved with Disctrict 204 are PADDING their hours and MILKING the TAXPAYERS. The School Board appears incompetent and can not even monitor all this PADDING OF HOURS by the numerous attorneys.

I am asking the entire District 204 Board to submit their RESIGNATIONS. If the Napergate Man, just one MAN, can watch and control his legal expenses, why can't a large Board watch their legal expenses...our TAXPAYER MONEY? Simple! Incompetence!

The TAXPAYERS must rise and put an end to this massive charade. They must smell the coffee and realize all these legal bills from all sides will result in a magnificent increase of their taxes next time they get their REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS!

Awwww, poor NSFOC,

You weren't able to fake this poll in your favor (like the last one), so now it's the work of the other group. Gotta try something else.

And yes, quite amazing the power lines running right through Tall Grass. How about the large school bus station by White Eagle, spewing diesel exhaust through the neighborhood. Their sites are not safe!!!

To anyone who thinks a poll on the Sun-Times website means anything: These polls will NEVER be either scientific nor will their results EVER be meaningful:

1) This is the NAPERVILLE SUN. A substantial portion of the district is NOT in Naperville and may read this newspaper/website.

2) Even fewer will see the item and bother to vote.

3) Online polls can be cheated in a variety of ways.

4) Only the loud usually respond.

Why doesn't NSFOC use some of its $204 to hire a real polling company to conduct a scientific poll of a cross-section of 204 residents in all communities served by D204? This would be a better use of money than a lawsuit and could seriously be used to show the school board if dissent against their plan exists.

King Cookie :) YOU are right ....the deleted cookie thing didn't work afterall.Gasp! Let's see...maybe the EMF from my computer effected my decision to vote prudently.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty sure the deleted cookie thing doesn't work. If someone from the Herald's web team can confirm this, all this speculation can be stopped (and we'll see that indeed the majority has spoken).

In Response to By RJ on March 16, 2008 3:22 PM

"If Gary Crawford was the only employee of the company and did all the testing and analytical work you would be spot on there anonymous, but unfortunately he is not. Gary Crawford was sent as the chosen representative for the company to make the presentation of the findings, as is the case in most companies. Nice try though."

The school board had very specific scientific questions for Mr. Crawford. Crawford proceeded to answer these questions, instead of saying, well I may not be qualified to answer these questions.

Crawford went on to say that if the current in the power lines increased, the increase would cancel out EMF radiation levels. That's pretty specific for Mr. Crawford to answer.

He also said, the site was safe. He didn't say, my team of scientists says the site was safe.

But if Mr. Crawford says its safe, it must be.

To those "concerned" with TG's lack of concern to power lines within in TG. Come down and take a survey to see how may of the 1000 TG homes plus two other neighborhoods (400 more homes)are within 350 ft of them. You will find why the 90% majority TG is not concerned with the power lines in their neighborhood

If you don't support this lawsuit for to:

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/d204suit/index.html

Funny how the NSFOC group was touting victory early on when the polls leaned in their favor isn't it? Then the word got out and the majority spoke, now the results aren't credible. Amazing how that works.

Moderator Jim, kudos to you and the Sun for another fine effort in drawing the 204 community to your web site through this poll. I think you can probably sell some more ad space with all the hits you're clearly getting.

To the rest of the meatheads arguing over these poll results and whether or not they're credible, I would remind you that a poll taken on Rush Limbaugh's web site resulted in Rush being named most beloved man in America. In other words, the only thing these types of Internet "polls" measure is a count of people dumb enough to believe these things are actually valid. No judge is going to say "hey, I was 50-50 on this MVHS thing but man, the concrete evidence from that Sun Internet poll tipped it in for me!"

This poll measures nothing.

Well done Sun.

Curious wrote;
"I noticed what appears to be an electrical substation behind the clubhouse (right next to the pool, in fact), and noticed what appears to be high tension power lines cutting right through the middle of the development."

I am sure someone from TG will be along shortly to explain how that is different. They chose to move there and the less fortunate innocent children, none of them theirs BTW, shouldn't be forced to go to a school with life threatening hazards.

Either that or we will hear how the TG EMF Radiation is the harmless variety because that is a City of Naperville substation as opposed to a Com Ed substation and everything in Naperville is safer and better.

By Anonymous on March 16, 2008 11:51 AM

How can Gary Crawford stand up and say that the site is safe? This guy's certifications are in Industrial Hygiene. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

If Gary Crawford was the only employee of the company and did all the testing and analytical work you would be spot on there anonymous, but unfortunately he is not. Gary Crawford was sent as the chosen representative for the company to make the presentation of the findings, as is the case in most companies. Nice try though.:)

To Curious,

I went to your link to the satellite of Tall Grass. It doesn't give it justice. Its worse in person.

Wow, now that was interesting. I just read Shawn Collins letter to the SB(nice job in earning $204 per idiot just to sign his name on a letter).

If you take everything in his letter to the SB as truthful and apply it to the Tall Grass subdivision. They never should have built homes in TALL GRASS. There exposed to high EMF readings due to the power lines in their subdivision.

add the Laidlaw bus fumes and the noise level of freight train horns all times of the day and night. This should have been the land the school board should condemn and looks like they would have gotten a bargain!

I think the survey results (even with ballot stuffing by the anti-NSFOC) are amazingly close. According to the North residents, oh I mean the pro Eola site people talk, only a small minority of district 204 (i.e TG & WE) disagree with the SB site selection, disagree with their increased transportation plan, and thought their was favoritism to their own neighorhoods. So the poll results should be more like 10% yes and 90 % no.

But they aren't. Because this is not a TG/WE thing.

By 204 on March 16, 2008 10:22 AM
"NSFOC's platform of half-truths"

How about the School Board's half truths? According to Environ's website, Gary Crawford has no training in EMF radiation. He specializes in indoor environmental quality, building sciences, and pollution control. Professional experience includes asbestos hazard assessments, evaluating and solving mold problems in buildings, and industrial hygiene studies.

How can Gary Crawford stand up and say that the site is safe? This guy's certifications are in Industrial Hygiene. ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

Wake up people!!!

Here's the link, check it out for yourself...
http://www.environcorp.com/people/bio.php?id=7365&location=PARKRIDGEI

Gee... "Anonymous on March 16, 2008 7:18 AM"

As I pointed out in my blog above..you're so blinded by your own crap that you can't believe that others might actually disagree with what NSFOC purportedly stands for.

Face it. Whether you agree with the poll results or not, MANY people do not like NSFOC's platform of half-truths and misinformation.

The minute the results started changing away from support for the "yes" vote...suddenly the poll was flawed and people were cheating the system.

C'mon, grow up and face the fact that the tides they are a changin' and people are increasingly vocalizing how they feel about NSFOC and their true motives.

I drove through Tall Grass yesterday, just to see what all the fuss is about. I noticed what appears to be an electrical substation behind the clubhouse (right next to the pool, in fact), and noticed what appears to be high tension power lines cutting right through the middle of the development. Here's a link to Yahoo maps, can someone from the area or "in the know" say for certain whether these are what they appear to be and if so, what level of EMF radiation the residents are being exposed to? Hopefully this is something that's not any big deal.

Thanks.

http://maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=s&lat=41.703786&lon=-88.213004&mag=2&q1=3300%20deering%20bay%2C%20naperville%2C%20il

"The man who never looks into a newspaper is better informed than he who reads them, inasmuch as he who knows nothing is nearer the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehood and error."
- Thomas Jefferson

The anti nfsoc site published a way to manipulate your cookies and vote multiple times. Suddenly a poll that had been overwhelmingly in favor of the lawsuit turned against it....
School board member Alka Tyle sent an email to her distribution list (without blinding it) asking them to vote against "another insane poll" on the Naperville Sun blog.

Now not only are the NSFOC demonstrating their true colors in the lawsuit and via their blogs. But they're now we see just how paranoid they are when the current results show the "yes" votes are losing in the poll. To NSFOC claims the poll must be rigged, or somehow anyone who disagrees with a "yes" vote cheated the system.

Kinda funny since they were the ones claiming the authenticity of the poll results when the poll first started, and more people had voted "yes" than "no". Probably because NSFOC had quickly rallied their troops to "vote yes" before anyone else even realized there was a poll.

It appears that NSFOC is doing nothing but grasping at straws to sway public opinion whether claiming fact, fraud, poll rigging, cheating, lying...etc. Who are the ones slinging mud?

Here is a letter written by Shawn Collins. This was sent to our SB.

http://savefile.com/files/1441469

Regardless if the NSOFCfraud people told their users to clear their cookies do you think that really matters? Heck, my 5th grader knows how to do that. I'm sure all the NSOFC people were honest and only voted once as well. NOT!!!

Why even have this vote if we agree on the lawsuit or not? They frivolous lawsuit and won't stop complaining about thier kids going to WVHS up untill school starts in 2009. MVHS will be built, end of story!! Maybe that is the question you should have..."Do you think the lawsuit will have an effect on the building of the 3rd HS".

By Anonymous on March 15, 2008 2:18 PM
District 204 School board member Alka Tyle was caught circulating an email instructing people how to vote.

Just another example of how district 204 tries to control and manipulate the vote to achieve the outcome they desire?

Sure looked that way.

Can you say bait and switch?

It is interesting that Ghandi helped poor farmers, laborers and others to protest against oppressive taxation.

Seems sort of cynical for Tyle to quote Ghandi in her email when she never seems to be too concerned with the overtaxation of working people, seniors citizens and those just struggling to get by.

Hypocritcal? You decide.

Yeah I agree. She should have sent that email to her friends asking them to vote FOR the lawsuit she is defending on behalf of all of us.The nerve.....By the way please look up "bait and switch" in the dictionary.
Lastly, most of us don't need "instructions" on how to place a vote and know what you're voting for... but some of us do.

Maybe the district will hire The Center for Community Opinion to rig the Sun poll like they did the election?

I notice that the "Center" has removed the words "data manipulation" from their website. Now they just say...

The Center has provided survey research skills that have helped raise hundreds of millions of dollars through voter-approved General Obligation bonds and operating taxes. Our survey research provides the predictive tools required when communities ask local voters to allow them to build the schools…

It seems that “predictive tools” is the new buzz phrase for “we will manipulate the voters to help you pass a tax increase".

District 204 School board member Alka Tyle was caught circulating an email instructing people how to vote.

Just another example of how district 204 tries to control and manipulate the vote to achieve the outcome they desire?

Sure looked that way.

Can you say bait and switch?

It is interesting that Ghandi helped poor farmers, laborers and others to protest against oppressive taxation.

Seems sort of cynical for Tyle to quote Ghandi in her email when she never seems to be too concerned with the overtaxation of working people, seniors citizens and those just struggling to get by.

Hypocritcal? You decide.

By majorianthrax on March 15, 2008 8:10 AM
Depends on who has voted. I am sure the NSFOCF people are active. It doesn't mean squat...

So you're admitting that once again NSFOC was posting illegitimate and innacurate information on their website...remember when over "70%" was in support of the NSFOC lawsuit per their own site? Hey how come they took that off too?

If you don't like what the NSOFCfraud has done, sue them. That seems to be the answer to everything.

and if the only thing NSFOC has going for them is a sun poll. METEA VALLEY will be built without a hitch!

Depends on who has voted. I am sure the NSFOCF people are active. It doesn't mean squat.

What a train wreck we have on our hands. Lets get the new site up for a vote (real vote with no ballot stuffing by the nsfocfraud site) in the fall and put this thing to bed once and for all. It would be great if the media also supported this solution.

I am 100% against the Eola site and did not believe we really needed a permanent 3rd HS past the estimated peak enrollment spike. However, everyone voted for a 3rd HS based on the school boards flyers in our kids bags, their web site, and their statements during the legal hardball with BB's lawyers. So, either put the dang school where they said they would, OR put the boards wonderful new site up for a vote in the fall. We are talking 6 months, and the board dinged around with BB for 2+years so the excuse of "we dont have the time" rings hollow in my ears. If the school opens 6 months later in 10 vs 09 it is still well before peak enrollment spike.

What gives?

Mr. Jim, the board might actually listen to you if you think this solution has merit and wanted to pass it along. It also could help mend the rift between the 204 residents and it would also go a long way in my book (and in many others that support the NSFOC) to restoring confidence in our school board

I tried to warn the Sun that there was cheating going on earlier. I even gave the instructions from the nsfocfraud.com site to prove my point. I give moderator Jim credit for not posting HOW to cheat, yet, I wish the Sun editors would acknowledge that a such instructions were out there. In fact, in the hours that the cheat instructions came out from a particular site, the poll has taken a drastic turn.

Who knows what the outcome would have been if there hadn't been instructions on "how to cheat".

What a shame. I wish the poll could be perceived as credible.

I understand the "cheat instructions" have been taken off the NSFOCfraud site. Why? Did you accomplish your goal? I'm wondering why you felt the need to place that information on your site? That was really unfortunate for you, my opinion.

I haven't taken a side yet on this lawsuit. Yet, when I see one side trying to manipulate public opinion, I wonder whether there are "bad people" on both sides.

I think we have all lost focus of what's important. It's the kids. Why would anyone advocate cheating in any way, shape or form?

That's just wrong! NSFOCfraud, your message was flawed today!

This poll has lost all credibility since the NSFOCfraud group provoked others to vote more than once.

How pathetic.

Come on....shameless to have a blog on your own on-line poll (I feel like I am watching a Fox program).

Funny that the "extremely mild mannered" parents behind NSFOCFraud.com have published how to cheat the Sun Times Poll by playing with Cookies.

Funny the horrible beasts that are associated with NFSOC haven't done this (either more ethical or did not figure it out first---not sure which).

A few questions (all in good fun)

-How many times is Jim Lynch allowed to vote;

-I would note that the vote was over 70% for the lawsuit until the extremely mild mannored folks started rigging the system (actually shocked that the poll is still up in that even Florida stopped the process when they learned of the hanging Chads).

-What is the over-under on the number of bloggers on this site (I am setting the line at 204).

-Looking forward to the blog on Monday after BB presents its multi-million dollar damage claim (that should be interesting and should really fuel our little civil war). However, I guess that Money magazine will be taking a pass on us this year as one of the best places to raise our children---although the Metea Football stadium should be one the best rated places to watch night games...it won't even need lights).

C'mon Jim.... Maybe you should send a message to the website that's advising folks on how to rig, only fair.

By the way, I didn't rig my vote. I'm an honest guy, just ask Eliot S.

Moderator Jim: To George Fox (very funny moniker, by the way). That's a no-no. You might be a clever tech/computer guy but no way can I allow a comment that tells people how to rig the vote. Sorry, but nice try.

No

Shawn Collins will come out on top, the rest of us will lose one way or another.