NSFOC: D204 Board deceived us on 2006 referendum

nonsense.It's already been visited. Read the other blogs. Goodbye NSFOC.

My Referendum ballot that I voted on said I was voting on a 3rd high school - not a 3rd high school on the Brach Brodie property - what did yours say?

How can anyone own a home and NOT know that things can go wrong and it aint done until its done? Sorry your own naivety led you to be blindsided to the idea that could happen. You didn't see it coming so its the School Board's fault? Shame on you.

What more could the School Board do to get BB? What step did they miss? (and why aren't YOU volunteering to do that overworked, nopaid job?)

Should we build anyway without the funds? That's a financial policy that works for some, I guess. I have no credit card debt and own my cars,etc. so obviously I am more conservative.

I still haven't heard a good answer to the basic question - why was it ok to go to Metea at BB but not WVHS?

I said it before, I'll say it over and over. So you were lied to by politicians. Are you shocked? You shouldn't be. Is this the first time that's ever happened? No. Will it happen again? Probably.

Is it grounds for a lawsuit? No. The only thing that was voted on was to authorize the money for a 3rd high school. They could have built in on Pluto. Any statements made publicly before, during, or after the referendum are just your elected offcials trying to get your vote.

...about 3 1/2 miles from the Fry attendance area. The high school at that location was approved under a referendum, which many NSFOC members supported.... TAKEN FROM TIM WALDORF'S ARTICLE THIS MORNING.

Tim, looks like NSFOC got you too. The third high school was approved but NOT at that location OR any location. That location wasn't on the ballot...the district didn't own enough land anywhere to put it on the ballot.Please retract this false statement on the same page as the article !!!!

Also, the Eola/Molitor site was never "ruled out" as unsafe. No testing had been done and they didn't feel it necessary to go through that if BB was still the property they were looking at to purchase. The point is these people take SB letters that were written years ago when circumstances were different and they attempt to impose what they think the author was implying to the new situation we face today. NSFOC is about not getting the school they wanted to go to and everything else is just attempted distraction from their very sad and misdirected motives. 3,000 registered on their website....like "Bozo the Clown@aol.com" .Make it "2999".

And NSFOC is right to make the charges. So now let's hear from the District - keeping in mind that now it's the District LAWYERS leading the PR campaign - let's see how responsibly they react, how adequately they explain, and how truthful they are willing to be with us. Truthfully, I don't expect much but more of the same. Please, 204, surprise us.

When are the N people going to realize that the rest of us are enjoying the fact that they're suffering? It's about time the "haves" suffered a bit, isn't it?

It appears yesterday that 3 members of the NSFOC, hired shark Collins, and an editor and a "reporter" from the Naperville Sun sat down to chat. I noticed that the timing of it was the same day as a school board meeting. I also noticed that the reporter was the same as reported on all previous NSFOC material. It begs a few questions.

1. Does the Naperville Sun qualify as a newspaper? Have they investigated any of the issues of the Eola Site? Have they looked into the remidiation process? Have they looked into state and federal laws regarding any land (being sold or not) that has found via testing to require remidiation? The Sun circualtion is incredibly small. A great source for where the garage sales will be this weekend, but not a great source of what most reasonable people view as news.

2. Is Tim Waldorf a student at NVHS? Does he live at Tall Grass or White Eagle? Has he been a finacial supporter of NSFOC? I imagine he is a student at NVHS with aspirations of being a reporter some day. Rememebr that the Naperville Sun has an incredibly small circulation. They cannot possibly have the funds to hire a qualified reporter. A qualified reporter might actually do some actual research.

3. Did the fact that the NSFOC pay for a full page ad entitle them to another one sided story?

4. Does anyone really question Shawn Collins motives? He gets his name in the paper regularly with this story. It won't be long before people beleive his firm is a big law firm. Although his website is professional done, his firm is still a small firm. I would feel very comfortable recommending his firm to handle a DUI or divorce case after the NSFOC money runs out. He is gambling that the judge will make the district pay his fees. This absolutley will not happen if the judge finds that the suit has substance.

Come on little Timmy. Do some objective homework. If you want to represent yourself as a reporter, do some actual work. Don't let others write your work.

Come on Naperville Sun. This story does keep people coming back to read the blogs but if you want to be more than a source for garage sale ads, act like a newspaper.

Come on Shaun Collins. This may help with your image in Tall Grass but you cannot fool the balance of the district. You are not looking out for the people of the district and all of us know it. The NSFOC money will be gone soon and so will you.

Say No to Entitlement!!!

It's about time someone is holding the school board accountable. I'm tired of the school board flat out lying to us.

I agree with Board member Mr. Bradshaw (his previous comments in regards to Makon are interesting as they apply to EOLA):

"Incumbent Curt Bradshaw said many problems exist with the Macom site and until those are resolved, the school board needs to stick with the Brach-Brodie site.

"We explored the plan in great detail," Bradshaw said. " The school would sit next to a ComEd substation and that is just one among the long list of negatives. I do not think putting kids next to a substation is in the best interest of our kids."

Someone send Bradshaw his NSFOC membership pin (looks like there are now 3001 members and growing).

It’s About the Kids
Safety *Fiscal Responsibility*Accountability
www.nsfoc.org

Looks like we are not the only victims (another great choice by the Board?)

For Immediate Release

Wednesday December 7, 2005
Daeschner: Superintendent of the Year?

(Bowling Green, Kentucky) – The Bluegrass Institute has serious reservations about the selection of Jefferson County Public Schools Superintendent Stephen Daeschner as the commonwealth’s “Superintendent of the Year” by the Kentucky Association of School Administrators (KASA).

The district overseen by this superlative superintendent contains 10 high schools in which more than 75 percent of the students failed to achieve reading proficiency in 2004, according to data collected from various sources and published at www.kentuckyalliance.org. Yet these same schools graduate an average of 65 percent of those students. Daeschner presides over this inexcusable disparity of children failing to achieve proficiency in critical areas and the number of diplomas being granted.

If Daeschner represents the best of Kentucky’s public-school superintendents, then the KASA’s award is as meaningless as some of the diplomas he has handed out through the years.

Fifty-seven of Jefferson County’s 130 schools failed to meet federal standards during the 2004-05 school year, up from 55 schools that did not meet the previous year’s requirements. As Daeschner was being granted the award, more than 30,000 students within his charge were languishing in failing schools. Is this what we should expect from the best superintendent in the state?

“In 1995, Daeschner’s district claimed five of Kentucky’s 10 lowest-performing schools as measured by ACT scores,” said Richard Innes, education analyst with the Bluegrass Institute. “A full decade later, the district claimed seven of the 10 lowest-performing schools. What criterion does the KASA use in determining outstanding performance by a public-school superintendent?”

Even some JCPS school board members have pointed out Daeschner’s failure to address some of the most critical issues facing the district, including a persistent achievement gap between black and white students and the poor performance by the district’s middle schools, where 35 percent of students scored novice (the lowest of four categories) in math this year.

“Perhaps the association should do some homework before handing out next year’s award,” said Jim Waters, Director of Policy and Communications for the Bluegrass Institute. “Only administrators who exemplify the kind of leadership that all superintendents should emulate deserve such an accolade.”

– For interview information, contact Jim Waters, Director of Policy and

I thought the article on Thursday put the nsfoc in a bad light but the one this morning just puts the nail in the coffin. Our Standards WILL Not Be Lowered, the folks against this group will be bring up the wvhs vs nvhs all over again. The longest distance from tg (middle school) to wvhs is 5.6 miles not the reported 8 miles.

But the real attention getter is when the Jack A_s lawyer calls the school board and I quote,"this is the same gang that told us they were going to buy Brach-Brodie if the referendum passed". That's news to me ,I guess when I voted for board members I was actually working to elect gang members.Maybe this is a stretch but I would have assumed attorneys would speak with a little more intelligence. But we all know what happens when we ASS U ME.

To the Naperville Sun editors. Aren't you guys sick of dealing with/interviewing the ever so "needy" Todd A. and NSFOC.

To No to Entitlement on March 21, 2008 8:25 AM

Tim Waldorf has covered stories for the school board too. I'm sure he would cover more stories about the school board, but in case you have forgotten, the school board has chosen to stay silent.

To Just trying to stay neutral on March 21, 2008 9:08 AM

gang definition

Main Entry: gang
Function: noun
a group of persons having informal and usually close social relations

I'm glad to see members of NSFOC step forward.

Maybe the Sun should now interview the people associated with nsfocfraud.c0m. (If they can find them)

Without a doubt Tim W is tied into Todd A somehow - that's got to be the only reason he his writing this junk - and yes Tim it is junk you're being sucked into writing. I have emails that almost say just that.

Here's a few questions for all to ponder. Why construct a High School on property having several large diameter DOT Hazardous/Flammable pipelines running through it, having major industrial electrical power lines adjacent to it, and having potential long term safety/environmental concerns resulting from a heavy industrial plant still on the property? Wouldn’t anyone of these unsafe conditions by itself be enough not to purchase such a site? Wouldn’t all three dangers combined suggest even greater safety risks? We all know that some form of construction can occur within 25 to 100 feet of pipelines. However, do you honestly believe this standard should also be applied to schools that educate our children? Do you think evacuation of several thousand children would be easy should the worse occur? Why increase risks that add to the chance of potential fires, explosions, environmental toxity issues and/or electrical concerns. I’ve been to the property. Does someone really believe it's possible to adequately mitigate away all these safety risks?

Our Naperville children and the Naperville/Aurora communities deserve a better. Also, what type of image does this serve for the Naperville and Aurora communities and school districts? Surely, there is a safer property within the same general vicinity.

I have to make this quick. The parot looks full. I must do the only thing I can do with the Naperville Sun. Coming Tweety...here is the paer to line your cage.

Seriously. You had representatives of the NSFOC and their shark for hire, in your offices and you didn't think to ask any questions? And you say you were represented by a reporter and an editor? Who are you kidding? Did you agree to the meeting only if you weren't allowed to ask questions? Did you agree to publish thier views without substance if they purchased a full page ad?

Questions you should have asked of their so called environmental attorney...

Is it true that claiming environmental concerns is the first line of defense to stall any construction project?

Is it true that environemntal concerns at the Eola site can be remidiated?

Is it true that now that testing has been done, MidwestGen is responsible for remediation, regardless if they sell the land or not?

Is it true that the title cannot change hands on the land until remediation is complete?

Is it true that the Federal EPA and Illinois EPA have strict standards regarding the safety of any site where remediation is required?

Is it true that the same environmental concerns (EMF, Gas Lines, and the Railroad tracks also run through Tall Grass?

Is it true that there is no case law supporting your case to force the district to buy the BB Land?

Is it true that it would cost the NSFOC millions to take their case through the entire process? (Just $1 million would cost each of the 200 supporters $5000 each...providing that some of the 200 aren't grade school children of other NSFOC supporters).

Now I do imaging you did ask some questions. How are you? What do you think of this crazy weather? Will you be buying another full page ad? etc.

have to run...Tweety looks like she is about to add some value to this paper.

Crazy me, I thought MARCH MADNESS was all about college hoops but I guess not if you live in IPSD 204.

more questions you should have asked.

Isn't it true that the NSFOC is an activist organization and as such, donations will not be tax deductible as the NSFOC website claims? Because a corporation is set up as not for profit, it does not qualify the donations as tax deductible. There is a difference between activist and charitable not for profits.

If they are misleading about this, what other NSFOC points are misleading?

Isn't it true that as a registered Illinois corporation, the names of the directors of the NSFOC are available to anyone via the Illinois Secretary of State's office? No more being anonymous. As soon as the incorporation hits the records, I will be sure the publish the names of the directors and their subdivion(s).

Tweety improved the Naperville Sun. we all know the reporters cannot.

There is incontrovertible evidence now that the school board has lied to everyone (including at board meetings and to the newspapers in the last couple of months)- wait and watch - its coming -

This school board does not represent district 204 they only represent suckdale (aka brookdale) and suckbrook (aka springbrook)- watch as their school board gets flushed down the toilet for their lies

Moderator Jim to Anonymous: Precisely the point. We look forward to talking to them...when they decide they want to talk. Meanwhile, we're simply in the business of reporting news in a fair and balanced manner.

To All Involved,
Thank you very much for the constant bantering back and forth. This is simply too good to be true. The more that you argue and debate, the more that you are giving this cause "free press". The people that I work with had no idea or concerns regarding the new school site. Upon reading The Naperville Sun day-in and day-out, people are actually talking about this. This is the cheapest advertisement that any side (for or against the third school could ask for).

Keep up the debate, I mean free advertisment.

For $150 million dollars, our kids deserve better than ground contamination, EMFs, adjacent hazmat RR cargo, and 20" - 36" flammable/hazardous material pipelines criss-crossing the school grounds.

Moderator Jim...why didn't you ask those questions of NSFOC? They are the ones making the claims to the contrary. Grow a pair.

By Anonymous on March 21, 2008 10:03 AM
To No to Entitlement on March 21, 2008 8:25 AM

Tim Waldorf has covered stories for the school board too. I'm sure he would cover more stories about the school board, but in case you have forgotten, the school board has chosen to stay silent.

So you see my point. He writes articles "for" people. Why can't he be an objective reporter? Get some facts instead of just forwarding others opinions?

Come on little timmy...you can do it.

to suckdale and suckbrook. what do you want to be when you grow up? its hard to be credible when you act like a pouting child. This is not about Brookdale or Springbrook. The residents of Tall Grass and White Eagle (and a few others) are suing the ENTIRE district. That's right...they are suing you. Now go back outside and play nice.

TO: anonymous on March 21, 2008 10:47 AM

In my opinion, these questions have already been answered.

Questions you should have asked of their so called environmental attorney...

Is it true that claiming environmental concerns is the first line of defense to stall any construction project?
Why would anyone want to start construction on a potentially contaminated site?

Is it true that environemntal concerns at the Eola site can be remediate ?
Can they? Has the site been tested for the substances found in this type of environment? Do we know what really needs to be remediated?

Is it true that now that testing has been done, MidwestGen is responsible for remediation, regardless if they sell the land or not?
This is a question for the school board. The public has not seen the Phase I/II studies. What substances were found. What substances did the testing look for?

Is it true that the title cannot change hands on the land until remediation is complete?
If that's the case, why does the school district want to start moving dirt by April 1st?

Is it true that the Federal EPA and Illinois EPA have strict standards regarding the safety of any site where remediation is required?
Do they? Is the IEPA involved?

Is it true that the same environmental concerns (EMF, Gas Lines, and the Railroad tracks also run through Tall Grass?
I don't see any railroad tracks or pipelines running through tall grass. I also don't see a sign posted that said it contains PCBs.

Is it true that there is no case law supporting your case to force the district to buy the BB Land?
That's because government bodies don't usually back out of condemnation lawsuits.

Is it true that it would cost the NSFOC millions to take their case through the entire process? (Just $1 million would cost each of the 200 supporters $5000 each...providing that some of the 200 aren't grade school children of other NSFOC supporters).
I'm not the NSFOC, but from where I see it, the damages at BB are more substantial than any lawsuit with the NSFOC. Why are we still moving forward with the Eola Site without knowing these damages?

Attention: By anonymous on March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Can you please provide me with your business information as I need some assistance with my taxes which are due next month? My 1099 lists sales of stock, mutual funds, and cd's. I'm not sure if they qualify as long-term or short-term gains. Based upon your feedback, it appears that you are qualified to answer these tax questions for me and my household. Also, I just receieved Form 5498. What is this form for?

I am looking to open a small business and I'm not sure if I should open a Limited Liabilty Corporation (LLC),Subchapter S Corporation, or General Partnership? Please let me know when you have a free moment, as I'm not sure of the tax advantages of each business entity.

Thank you.

Moderator Jim to Anonymous: Precisely the point. We look forward to talking to them...when they decide they want to talk. Meanwhile, we're simply in the business of reporting news in a fair and balanced manner.

Moderator Jim: I'm confused, weren't the people of NSFOC talking to the Sun? How did you get their comments?

I have issues with Collins saying we were deceived. Didn't the school board take extraordinary measures to try to buy that land? Hey Collins, are you going to sue the federal governmaent claiming we never put men on the moon? or how about covering up aliens at Roswell NM?

I thought we lived in a district with some highly intelligent people but I guess I'm wrong. Anybody with half a brain would know that a defendant always lays low and let's the attorney do their talking or talks only when deemed appropriate. Unless you have an attorney like Drew Peterson who has made a joke out of his client. No one shows their game plan until game day, unless you have a screwball attorney.

And for all your arm chair quarterbacks please come forward if you think you can do a better job as a SB memeber so I can vote for you. I expect to see a lot of people running next round.
Oh wait that's right you are all a bunch of cyberbullies and would never take the time out of your personal life. You just talk the talk.

To By anonymous on March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

I posted this on another blog earlier this morning:

Registration of Charities
225 ILCS 460/2
Sec. 2. Registration; rules; penalties.
(a) Every charitable organization, except as
otherwise provided in Section 3 of this Act [225
ILCS 460/3], which solicits or intends to solicit
contributions from persons in this State or which
is located in this State, by any means whatsoever
shall, prior to any solicitation, file with the
Attorney General upon forms prescribed by him,
a registration statement, accompanied by a
registration fee of $15, which statement shall
include the following certified information:
1. The name of the organization and the name or
names under which it intends to solicit
contributions.
2. The names and addresses of the officers,
directors, trustees, and chief executive officer of
the organization.
3. The addresses of the organization and the
addresses of any offices in this State. If the
organization does not maintain a principal office,
the name and address of the person having
custody of its financial records.
4. Where and when the organization was legally
established, the form of its organization and its
tax exempt status.
5. The purpose for which the organization is
organized and the purpose or purposes for which
6
the contributions to be solicited will be used.
6. The date on which the fiscal year of the
organization ends.
7. Whether the organization is authorized by
any other governmental authority to solicit
contributions and whether it is or has ever
been enjoined by any court from soliciting
contributions.
8. The names and addresses of any
professional fund raisers who are acting or
have agreed to act on behalf of the
organization.
9. Methods by which solicitation will be made.

I am watching this very closely considering I have a legitimate not for profit.

They also have to maintain information on everyone who donates.

Taken from the NSFOC website:

Please note, we have applied for a Federal ID for non-profit status.

If

we are granted non-profit status, then donations will qualify for tax deductibility and company matching funds. We will inform you of the final outcome, but you should give knowing the situation today, and the possibility that the non-profit status

may not be granted.

We will run as a non-profit either way.

The tax deductability and company matching would be the only items impacted by the government's decision.

Taken from Illinois Attorney General website:

Can I get information about a charitable organization’s operations and expenditures directly from the charitable organization?

Yes. Federal law requires each charitable organization to send you a copy of its federal form 990 for a reasonable charge.

The watchers of the watchers are being watched.

NSFOC, you'd better make sure your I's are dotted and your t's are crossed.

We can't seem to spell Neuqua, Waubonsie, nor Metea correctly. But we all can spell IRS.

If the Sun is going to report about the NSFOC in a "fair and balanced manner" can you at least get the facts straight? In the article today, it is stated that Fry is 8 miles from Waubonsie. Not true guys. Waubonsie is less than a mile more than the Brach Brodie parcel.

So, I have to read through yet another blog about fake accusations by NSFOC against our school board. We are the ones being (attempted to be)decieved by this extreme group.

Thank goodness for the press. Let's face it, without the Sun reflecting on their readers views - and reporting it, we'd be in the Hitler' days. Should we assume that school board is right and the press and readers should not question them.

Again, the reason our schools are successful are due to parents, teachers and tax dollars. The school board has shown they have done nothing but spend our tax dollars.

If the residents don't speak up about what is wrong - and sue - then we'd be left with a school board who will hurt, not help our community.

For those that are supportive of the bait and switch fraud, shame on on you. You would never teach your children to say one thing, and then 'trick' others to win. Or would you...

Moderator Jim to Ron: Ron, I was referring to the school board.

FD wrote

Our Naperville children and the Naperville/Aurora communities deserve a better.

Interesting wording. What do the Aurora children deserve? I know what you tried to say, but your meaning comes through. It's all about you.

"Someone send Bradshaw his NSFOC membership pin "

He won't do that until Mark tells him to. I thought we elected independent thinkers to the board, not sheep. Unfortunately we all need to wait awhile to remedy that.

Also, nice witch-hunting and slander in the first few posts, Brookdale and nsfocfraud. I'm sure the editor would love to talk to you if you had the courage to show your faces.

Unfortunately, all they'd get is a tired re-hash of "the Sun is unfair", and "so your politicians lied to you, get over it" Let's face it, the MWGEN brass ring is slipping from your fingers, but you haven't yet realized every inane comment you make is driving people further and further into the NSFOC camp.

Moderator Jim: In answer to your question, Ron, I was referring to talking to the school board when they get around to doing some talking. If you read the paper today, of course we talked to the NSFOC people. Thanks.

Moderator Jim/Editor,

Why do you allow a comment (Suckbrook???? Suckdale????) to be posted with vulgarities towards subdivisions? I thought you were screening these (mostly anonymous) posts. These blogs are getting nasty enough without this crap.

Moderator Jim to Anonymous: Exactly what questions are you referring to?

I'm sick of this my neighborhood/your neighborhood garbage. I am not from White Eagle or Tall Grass, but do reside in the Fry attendance area. I am in full agreement with the NSFOC. The school board are elected officials. They are dealing with public funds. They cannot be permitted to act as if they have the priveledge to do whatever they want due to a so-called mandate based on deception. If District 204 truly desired to rectify the situation and act like the elected officials that they are, they would cease any further attempts to adhere to the 2009 deadline for Eola, would have a full disclosure of the environmental study, and call for another referendum based on the boundary changes and third school location at Eola. All votes need to be taken into account. With the information I have now, I never would have voted for a third school.

Moderator Jim to MH: You're exactly right and my apologies.

TO ALL BLOGGERS: THE WORDS "SUCKDALE," ''SUCKBROOK'' AND ANY OTHER OFFENSIVE WORDS REFERRING TO SUBDIVISIONS OR INDIVIDUALS ARE NOW BANNED. IF POSTED, THEY WILL BE DELETED. MY APOLOGIES FOR THE ONES THAT GOT THROUGH. LET'S TRY TO CLEAN IT UP, PLEASE.

By Need Tax Advice on March 21, 2008 11:52 AM
Attention: By anonymous on March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Can you please provide me with your business information as I need some assistance with my taxes which are due next month? My 1099 lists sales of stock, mutual funds, and cd's. I'm not sure if they qualify as long-term or short-term gains. Based upon your feedback, it appears that you are qualified to answer these tax questions for me and my household. Also, I just receieved Form 5498. What is this form for?

I am looking to open a small business and I'm not sure if I should open a Limited Liabilty Corporation (LLC),Subchapter S Corporation, or General Partnership? Please let me know when you have a free moment, as I'm not sure of the tax advantages of each business entity.

Thank you.

I'd help anyone with their tax issues, for a fee, not free, thats how I EARN a living.

I was against the third high school, simply because I believe our district is peaking in enrollment, and for the short term we could make do with alternate solutions. Sure if money was no object I'd prefer to have smaller classes, etc. But I plan to live here a long time and don't want to be saddled with the cost of what I believe will be over-capacity for decades to come. I don't know about you, but my taxes are plenty high to begin with. Yes, they can restructure the cost so we don't pay more now, but we aren't stupid. It has to be paid for.

But other folks loved the idea of a brand new school in their back yard, and not far from the OTHER new school in the district. So they voted for it and effectively reached into my wallet to support their children's education. Okay, not much I can do about it.

But now that the third school will be built in a more geographically reasonable location to support the district, (once the EPA and others clear the site), they don't want to pay for it. They can blah blah all they want about their reasons, but it is obvious to everyone with half a brain. Why should they pay for a school they won't get to enjoy? I understand where they are coming from, but resent their attempts to sell their position as anything other than self-serving. I, for one, appreciate the fact that the SB has found a lower cost solution so they don't waste our hard earned dollars just to accomodate a select part of our district. And I admit to finding some satisfaction in seeing the real motives behind those that voted for the referendum. I'd also like to "thank" them for costing the distict more in legal fees, and for delaying the building of the extra capacity they voted for.

I'm a WV graduate, and my kids will be WV graduates, whether this third school is built or not, so I don't have a bias here. But I see no reason why we should be forced to pay top dollar to put the school at the BB location when other options exist. Perhaps that will leave a few dollars to update/upgrade WV, or maybe no one really cares about that....

By Need Tax Advice on March 21, 2008 11:52 AM
Attention: By anonymous on March 21, 2008 11:03 AM

Can you please provide me with your business information as I need some assistance with my taxes which are due next month? My 1099 lists sales of stock, mutual funds, and cd's. I'm not sure if they qualify as long-term or short-term gains. Based upon your feedback, it appears that you are qualified to answer these tax questions for me and my household. Also, I just receieved Form 5498. What is this form for?

I am looking to open a small business and I'm not sure if I should open a Limited Liabilty Corporation (LLC),Subchapter S Corporation, or General Partnership? Please let me know when you have a free moment, as I'm not sure of the tax advantages of each business entity.

Thank you.

Here's some free advice, go to HR Block. The IRS loves to audit their returns.

From date of purchase to date of sale less than a year - short term. Greater than a year - long term.

Form 5498 what? There are different forms of 5498.

Which type of entity you choose? Depends on number of shareholders, purpose, do you plan on growing. Maybe a sole proprietorship would be enough for now. Have you already started making money?

Take it from me - if you have this many questions and won't see a professional accountant/lawyer, you probably shouldn't start a business. You're starting on the wrong foot.

There are alot of books out that answer these basic questions. Try the "Dummy" or "Idiot" series (no pun intended).

oh, almost forgot - corporate returns were due last month - 3/15. Not-for profit 5/15. Make a mental note.

So let me undestand "Juno"

You didn't read the previous ballot that did not say you are voting on boundaries and a school site location, but now you want a re-vote on the boundaries and the school site location?

Lets see I take a test and don't understand or read the question. Then I ask that I be given the test again with what I thought the questions were?????

Its simple - Read before you sign, vote, or whatever. No do-overs.

You know what is worse than what some of the posters have said...they will all get up Sunday morning, put on the Easter dress, suits, etc. and pack every Christian church from the north to south end of this district.

I hope when you are sitting in those pews you ask for forgiveness and learn to forgive those who have trespassed you. Isn't that what today is all about...Good Friday and Easter Sunday...forgiveness, new life and hope.

My hope is that you all stop the name calling and move on from this issue. But I know that won't happen. After you all eat your big dinners and leave grandmas house, you'll come back home and start the mud slinging all over again.

And what was the reason you got up to celebrate Easter with family and friends?

Folks please do not be played by the NSFOC.

They are about boundaries and/ or the VOTE NO circa 2006 population. "fiscal responsiblility" and "safety,safety, safety" are angles being used to get you to pay for their frivilous lawsuit. The only agenda on their minds is how do we get our kids to NV or MV . Build at BB or don't build the 3rd high school at all accomplishes their mission. These are people that care more about their property values than your kids or SB accountability. They didn't form until boundaries were announced that did not meet the aforementioned agenda. Thank you.

WV Area Resident,
You are the most honest person on this entire host of blogs.

By NV, MV ...just not WV on March 21, 2008 2:36 PM
By what a joke on March 20, 2008 8:08 AM
Mr. Andrews is right it is not about his kids and those of the NSFOC (90% of which are TG and WE residents) attending NVHS. It is about those kids NOT attending WVHS. They have made that perfectly clear!!! Look at their own lawsuit. It's the BB property or nothing as far as they are concerned. Nice try Mr. Andrews but you can't fool the majority of the district, they can see right through your smoke screen. Everyone look at the lawsuit, it's BB or nothing or return the money to the taxpayers. Well, that's not an option Mr. Andrews, we voted on the referendum for a 3rd high school not the location of a third high school. You and the group you claim you are just a member of are holding the rest of the district hostage and for that no one will ever forgive you. It's really a shame since the IPSD has done nothing but try and aquire the land for BB and up until the last judgement won every decision prior to that. The IPSD now can't afford the BB property and it's time to move on to another location. I'm disappointed that the Sun would even consider interviewing such a minority voice. Then again Mr. Andrews and the NSFOC is more concerned about their own desires and wants then the district. Thanks NSFOC for suing US!!!

By Calll it as I see it on March 20, 2008 8:17 AM
Of course it is not about Neuqua--it's all about Waubonsie Valley and NSFOC supporters' desire to do anything humanly possible to prevent their children from going there.

By MH on March 20, 2008 8:21 AM
What do I make of Andrews position? Trying to defend the obvious (that NSFOC is truly about boundaries).

Also, I thought previously they said had "thousands" in their ranks.
Appears to be the same ~200 from weeks ago............

The above posts have it accurate folks. Here's yet another fine example of this group's abominable attempts to send their kids anywhere but WV. Yes,it's about boundaries ...not fiscal responsibility or safety.......... SAD BUT TRUE!!!

An email was sent to me by a friend in the south dated Jan.16, 2008. It's author is a Mr. Greg A. and he spent much time and effort putting together a lengthy email and spread sheet with boundaries worked out for the Macom site.
He states he "strongly disagrees with the Eola site"."Presumably Fry&White Eagle would be shifted out of Neuqua and in to Waubonsie". He goes on to provide numbers and how they could gerry rig to send Fry, White Eagle and 4 other schools to Metea on the Macom site and leave the current schools today at WV.
Further down,"However, the district administrators'(Eola) plan would cause major disruptions on the south end of the district with the aforementioned shift of WE and Fry students presently attending Neuqua to Waubonsie.This disruption to students will not be soothed by happy parents excited about the impact on their home values.Instead, it is likely to cause LAWSUITS, CALLS FOR A NEW REFERENDUM with the potential to delay the project..." (resulting in more costs). Lastly, he states, "...put Metea in south NAPERVILLE at the Macom site where it belongs. If you don't I'm also quite confident that you will face a horrendous public uproar from the southern Naperville residents...".

By Anonymous on March 21, 2008 3:34 PM
You know what is worse than what some of the posters have said...they will all get up Sunday morning, put on the Easter dress, suits, etc. and pack every Christian church from the north to south end of this district.

I hope when you are sitting in those pews you ask for forgiveness and learn to forgive those who have trespassed you. Isn't that what today is all about...Good Friday and Easter Sunday...forgiveness, new life and hope.

My hope is that you all stop the name calling and move on from this issue. But I know that won't happen. After you all eat your big dinners and leave grandmas house, you'll come back home and start the mud slinging all over again.

And what was the reason you got up to celebrate Easter with family and friends?

*****I don't celebrate easter, pagan holiday. What in the world do eggs and rabbits have to do with Jesus. But anyway thats a whole nother issue.

To Anonymous: I accidentally deleted (sorry) your last comment on why we didn't ask the NSFOC people and their lawyer certain questions. Resubmit it and I'll reply. Thanks.

Wow! I have to tell the Sun and Tim thank you for your article it was very well written and tells the other side of the story.

By the way folks, we have seen plenty of articles from the Sun from the school board's point of view. They are now telling both sides of the story. Maybe you should do your research. Funny how you were all for the paper when they were reporting from the SB side and not the others.

For those of you who seem to show up on every blog with your hatered and negativity; it sounds like you need to seek therapy. Your negativeness and name calling to not only the Sun, their reporters, NSFOC members, and neighborhoods are uncalled for.

As asked by some of you, "Is this what you teach your kids?". I suggest you take a long hard look in the mirror and try to handle your emotions and act more professionally. If you were one of my employees you would have been sent to anger management by now.

I have to say I applaud the NSFOC for taking this on. I have friends who are afraid to speak up but quietly are rooting for the NSFOC to find out answers for them since their children are going to be attending MV.

The school board needs to slow down and get answers. Then proceed from there and that is what the NSFOC is asking them to do. That's called Democracy folks. God bless AMERICA!!

That's called Democracy folks. God bless AMERICA!!

Yes democracy, just like when you voted for the 3rd high school, no matter what the location.

Come and listen to a story about a man named Dash
Then new school super, who thinks we’re full of cash,
Mark sent him out huntin, for a site for a school,
And he picked out Eola, oh what a fool.

The price was cheap and it was close to his home
Who cares about the parents he’ll decide this on his own
Whats in the soil reports, nobody can he see
Oil that is, black gold, Texas tea.

Well the first thing you know ol' Dash's a millionaire,
Kinfolk said Dash move away from there
Said Californy is the place you ought to be
So they loaded up the truck and moved to Beverly.

Hills, that is.
Swimmin pools, movie stars and a new school district.

*************************

Well now its time to say good-bye to Dash and all his kin.
And they would like to thank you folks fer lettin them drop in.
No matter he’s been fired, by several before you
He’ll get another job, from a Californy Fool

Take your shoes off. Don’t come back now, y'hear?

Someone please tell me where is the dividing line? What is the dividing line between North and South Naperville. I want to know which side I am on. Also, with population growth, does this line move?

Come on, does it really matter?

To Anonymous on March 21, 2008 4:33 PM :

Suing the school board is not "Democracy folks". It's entitlement run amok.

I look just fine in the mirror telling NSFOC to sod off. The negatively is coming from Todd and his gang. Just read the gloom and doom on nsfoc.org.

But hey "it's for the kids" right?

To juno on March 21, 2008 2:57 PM:

Sorry, but the school board, as elected officials, ARE PERMITTED to do whatever they want. They are only legally required to use the money to build a third high school.

We ELECTED them to represent us and make decisions for us. You don't get to vote on every issue, not in Aurora, not in Springfield, nor in Washington. This is NOT a 'democracy' -- it is a republic and our system of government is 'representative'. You elect the leaders, they make the decisions. If you don't like it, elect better people next time.

All votes WERE taken into account. You approved the money for the new high school, not where it would go.

And for the 10,000th time -- voters don't get to vote on school boundaries. The district has the right to change those at any time. Don't like that? Well, go to Springfield and get the law changed.

Moderator Jim...I can't beleive you deleted it.

I want to know why you did not challenge the claims of the NSFOC and their attorney while you had the chance. Collins claims to be an environmental attorney. Who better to ask questions like...can't most sites be remediated? Don't the Illinois and Federal EPA have strict standards in regard to remediation? Doesn't Midwest Gen have to remediate regardless of whether they sell the land or not? Doesn't remediation have to be completed prior to the sale of any land? Doesn't remediation, if done properly, remove all toxins from the land? These are the topics that get bantered around and you had an environmental attorney in your offices available for questions. These questions are not specific to the case but are the basis fo the case. If the environmental attorney cannot answer these questions, the NSFOC just wasted all their money.

Do you know what is truly amazing about all of this? If Tall Grass had been assinged to NV then NSFOC wouldn't exist, all the fighting would be nil and #204 would be on the back pages. It is unreal how that one subdivison has poisoned the district.

To Mark on March 21, 2008 2:01 PM

I've been waiting for someone to Godwin this blog. Thanks.

"If the residents don't speak up about what is wrong - and sue - then we'd be left with a school board who will hurt, not help our community. "

NO, you'd be left with your elected officials -- who you would vote out next time. That's how the system works.

I am a resident from the North. We have been in the Waubosie School district (always) and were here when the (at the time) most expensive high school in the nation was built. Due to our location, our taxes are higher than anywhere else in the district. We never sued over the fact that our tax dollars were going to fund this massive over spending on a high school. We only got asked questions from WE and TG residents "Oh my, you're in Waubonsie School district, what are you going to do when your kids get to high school age?" My response has always been the same, my impression on Waubonsie has been favorable, due to the great kids I've known to graduate from there; and for those who don't agree that Waubonsie is a great school, there is Benet or the many other private schools from which to choose. Then came the third high school. Most of us agreed it was needed as many of our neighbors experienced their children having to go through overcrowded classrooms, etc. As the school board dedicated way too much time in trying to secure the BB property at exorbinate prices, non of us in the north ever thought of suing. We might not have liked the expensive BB site, but we allowed the school board to do their job. Now that the Eola property has become available and they're able to save the taxpayers $17 million, I commend them for their efforts in ensuring this land is safe. When this all goes through, I will feel very comfortable sending my children there, as all our neighbors will - and let me assure you, we are all diligent when it comes to the safety of our children. We live near the land in question, and it is not where the NSFOC would like you to think it is. It is on a clear piece of land closer to lovely homes that will be yards from the new school. I'd like the other school sites in this district to pass such scrutiny as the Eola site.

To Anon on 3/21 at 4:18 p.m.--What do eggs and rabbits have to do with Jesus? Nothing. Easter comes in the spring, sometimes very close to the first day of spring, like this year. The eggs, rabbits, chicks, baby lambs, baskets, etc., are a celebration of spring. Baby animals are symbols of the new life that spring brings, of the renewal and rebirth of nature we see all around us when winter ends. After all, God gave us the seasons; what's the harm in enjoying them? Easter is not pagen or sinister, just an appreciation of the fresh life around us. Relax.

Hey Mark,

You claim the school board has done nothing but spend our tax dollars, well, that's exactly what you elected them to do. Spend our tax dollars to provide the students of district 204 with the best education our money can buy.

You also say that suing the board is the only way to stop the SB from hurting our community, claiming it as a way of "speaking up." Funny, I thought that taking money away from the core function of providing educational services to defend a frivolous law suit would cause more harm. Call me crazy!

And finally: "For those that are supportive of the bait and switch fraud, shame on on you. You would never teach your children to say one thing, and then 'trick' others to win. Or would you.."
Are you kidding me! I'll be teaching my kids to read anything they sign and make sure they know exactly what they are agreeing to. I'll teach my kids to not believe everything that they hear and make sure and do their homework ... come on Mark, multiple sources of information! Shame on YOU and everyone else who was naive enough to vote on boundaries and the BB property when neither were on the ballot.

I don't live in TG or WE and originally thought the lawsuit was a bad idea. However, based on the actions of the SB in the past weeks and the TG/WE bashers on these blogs, I'm beginning to think it has merit. What rational, half-way intelligent human being would think that the SB should move forward and purchase the Eola property before knowing the damages from BB? Where are the environmental reports on the Eola site that were promised weeks ago?

The thing that bothers me most are the attacks on people who voice concerns. The attackers seem desperate to have Metea in their neighborhood. So desperate it seems, that they could care less the cost to the taxpayers and to their children.

Moderator Jim to anonymous: The questions became a moot point - it's all speculation at this point until the results of the consultants' environmental analyses come back. It's my understanding they're under seal due to confidentiality agreements and may be released as early as next week. When we have something solid to ask about...don't worry, we'll do it. Remember, it all starts with what is there to be remediated. Without knowing what that "what " is we're just dealing in hypotheticals. I hope this answers the question. Again, sorry about deleting your post...it was an accident.

Question for anyone who can answer-

Does the 2006 referndum have a expiration date? Why the rush to build on a potentially unsafe site? The SB is willing to pay extra fees(millions) to open the school in August 2009. Did the referendum state if the school didn't open by a certain date the vote is void. I can't understand that they want to purchase this land prior to knowing what the BB mess is going to cost. There's something just not right. Any clarification would be appreciated.

On a seperate note. Stop all the name calling. I thought Naperville/Aurora were the kind of towns who would help their neighbors not hurt them.

To curious on March 21, 2008 7:37 PM

The question is, who is 'rushing' anything? Has someone closed on the land deal? Are there bulldozers on the property? The board has been authorized to sign a contract on the land. That's it.

Just because a school board member says they want to break ground on April 1 doesn't mean they will. Wishing didn't make it so at Brach-Brodie either. How many times did M2 tell us they'd be breaking ground at any moment?

As far as the referendum 'expiring', well, they currently have our money. The longer they hold that money without building a school, sooner or later, some community group is going to sue them to give it back since "they said we'd have a new high school in 2009 and I voted 'yes' based on that. I wouldn't have voted 'yes' if I had known the school was going to be delayed until 2010. That smacks of 'bait-and-switch'".

Sound familiar?

I agree there is no need for name-calling. We can argue with each other without making it personal.

To Anonymous on March 21, 2008 6:33 PM:

"We have been in the Waubosie School district (always)"

Waubonsie is not a School district, although most of the NSFOC wishes it was a separate district so they could have the Naperville School for (their) Children.

"[NSFOC] cannot be characterized as a handful of disgruntled Tall Grass and White Eagle residents who hate Waubonsie Valley High School". Yet all of the leaders named in the article live in Tall Grass.

"Those boundaries would send students [at] Fry area to Waubonsie, which is about 8 miles north of their neighborhood." No, Google Maps says it is 6.0 miles. And actually, it is only 3 miles of straight-line distance and only 2 miles "North" of Fry. Did anyone at the Sun do any fact-checking?

"The original location for Metea would have been about 3 1/2 miles from the Fry attendance area." It would have been 4.1 miles from Fry to the start of Commons drive, the planned entrance to the School.

"The high school at that location was approved under a referendum, which many NSFOC members supported." No, the high school "AT THAT LOCATION" was not on the ballot. The Sun should be more objective.

Said NSFOC member Jim Walker. "I was excited about opening a new school." Thank you for being honest about this, Mr. Walker. So it isn't about 'neighborhood schools' or 'distance' since you had no problem going 2.5 miles 'north'. (BTW, Brach-Brodie and Waubonsie are on almost the exact same latitude. BB is actually slightly 'north' of Waubonsie.)

"NSFOC has filed lawsuit demanding District 204 build Metea at Brach-Brodie as promised." This is the ONLY thing NSFOC's lawsuit allows. It doesn't demand a SAFE school at all.

"You have to realize that, when they did their site selection, they ruled this site out," Okon said. "Nothing has changed on that property to make it safe today." NOTHING? The peaker plant isn't operating any more. That's certainly changed. The site was never 'ruled out'. They chose a site they preferred more.

"The site was rejected originally because of environmental concerns." No site was 'rejected'. One was 'selected'. Read the WHOLE quote -- "saw no advantage in constructing a third high school in such a location IF (emphasis added) there is any possibility of abandonment for health reasons" The "IF" is a key word there. Also, note they were discussing IF they had to abandon the high school.

"Critics of the group are quick to point out that NSFOC wasn't worried about environmental safety until new boundaries sent their children to Waubonsie. " This is true. They were not. The group's name itself and their first website shows ALL they were concerned about was "Neighborhood" schools. Not power lines and pipelines and peaker plants.

"But Walker said there's a big difference between choosing to swim in the pool next to these lines just a few hours a day and a few months out of the year, and being forced to spend eight or nine hours a day, 200 or so days a year at a school next to them." These kids don't spend 8-9 hours a day, 365 days a year in their homes in Tall