It's Over Baby on June 24, 2008 12:32 PM

Touche' my friend, I wondered if anyone would get it. And yes I hope 203 doesn't follow the lead of our friends here in 204. Of course I'm still optimistic this all will be needed and the right decision was made - only time will tell.

One final question: Ginger or Mary Ann?

By Gilligan on June 5, 2008 1:49 PM
Glad to be 203!! on June 5, 2008 10:51 AM

Ha ha ha ha ...he he he he ....

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Well said, Gilligan! Hopefully, D203 will not plagiarise D204's approach to decision-making and burn about $150 million of taxpayer revenues on building space they don't need, bus fuel, additional bond interest and health & safety risks to the parents, staff and children.

Glad to be 203!! on June 5, 2008 10:51 AM

Ha ha ha ha ...he he he he ....

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Hi Glad to be 203. Can you please cite your source and acknowledge where you came up with this line? I believe ha ha ha, he he he was first coined on a Gilligans Island episode in the early 70's? I would hate to have to accuse you of plagiarism!!

Ha ha ha... he he he...

Ha ha ha ha ...he he he he ....

You all need to get a life!

I think someone left the seat up at I am a Mom's house.

MEW, that was cute. Bet Greg meant the state which President-to-be Obama represents in the senate (not that I would speak for Greg, he does fine himself). Also, this post so far is meant to be tongue in cheek so I don't incite a new riot in the district.

I didn't mean to hijack the thread--several people have made that analogy before. If we want a national political thread we should ask for one. I, for one, won't be there.

What I have liked about this thread is that we are all working toward what we believe is best for the district and all of our children. It doesn't mean we agree, but the unifying thread is that the regulars, for the most part, have been willing to learn from each other, respect each other, and listen to one another. T'ain't going to happen in national politics.

Aw, c'mon anonymous (By Anonymous on June 3, 2008 1:33 PM
Sounds like Mom is constipated, LOL

I couldn't resist!!). It was getting ridiculous. And people were forgetting smileys and lol's so it was going from ridiculous to nasty. See what I said in the previous paragraph about respect and then you will know why I was so bothered.

Porta potty wars!! Too funny!!

Relax, JE. You've tolerated all the insults and hateful venom on these sites for the past three months, but you want to shut it down now over some bathroom humor? Please.

To Anon on June 3 at 11:13 AM--Look again. I did not use hillbilly in reference to the north. I used it in reference to the anti-NSFOC folks, who live all over the district, even in my own neighborhood. YOU connected hillbilly to the north. You may want to consider why.

To Anon on June 3 at 1:33 PM--I couldn't have resisted that one either ;-)

To The Watcher on June 2, 2008 6:51 PM--Eewwwwww!!

D&S

By Greg Forrest on June 3, 2008 2:23 PM
Kudos Mom

While I am not a dyed blue demo (of course I have to be an independant..lol) it will be very interesting to see what Hillary does (if she concedes gracefully etc. etc.)

Will have to figure out who I am going to give my vote too in the fall. Totally up in the air for me, but it doesnt matter much cuz we all know Barrack is going to win his home state!!!
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Hawaii?

Kudos Mom

While I am not a dyed blue demo (of course I have to be an independant..lol) it will be very interesting to see what Hillary does (if she concedes gracefully etc. etc.)

Will have to figure out who I am going to give my vote too in the fall. Totally up in the air for me, but it doesnt matter much cuz we all know Barrack is going to win his home state!!!
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By I am a mom too on June 3, 2008 1:03 PM
Can we stop with the porta potty thing. My third grade son would find it hysterical, my fifth grade daughter would pretend to be grossed out by it, and I am just plain appalled.

When it was one little jibe at GF for slowing down the construction, that was one thing. (Sorry GF, but it was funny because it was exaggerration, and clearly noone thought you would do that If they thought you would do such a thing it wouldn't have been funny.) This sniping between neighborhoods has to stop. I don't care who started it, I'm stopping it! And now you have all been chastised like the 3rd and 5th graders you are imitating. Next someone is going to end up over my lap (something neither of my children have experienced, which I guess means you are behaving worse than they do!).

I'll preface this next part with the caveat that I am a true-blue-dyed-in-the-wool democrat. You would think that maybe our district could learn something from the democrats about not destroying itself from within via in-fighting and cattiness. Would we really want Will Rogers quipping: "I live in no unified school district, I live in district 204"?

Sounds like Mom is constipated, LOL

I couldn't resist!!

Can we stop with the porta potty thing. My third grade son would find it hysterical, my fifth grade daughter would pretend to be grossed out by it, and I am just plain appalled.

When it was one little jibe at GF for slowing down the construction, that was one thing. (Sorry GF, but it was funny because it was exaggerration, and clearly noone thought you would do that If they thought you would do such a thing it wouldn't have been funny.) This sniping between neighborhoods has to stop. I don't care who started it, I'm stopping it! And now you have all been chastised like the 3rd and 5th graders you are imitating. Next someone is going to end up over my lap (something neither of my children have experienced, which I guess means you are behaving worse than they do!).

I'll preface this next part with the caveat that I am a true-blue-dyed-in-the-wool democrat. You would think that maybe our district could learn something from the democrats about not destroying itself from within via in-fighting and cattiness. Would we really want Will Rogers quipping: "I live in no unified school district, I live in district 204"?

I'm sorry I even brought the port-o-potty up. its just that I really needed to use the facilities and I only noticed one on the site and thought that strange considering a boatload of workers will be decending on the site in short order to do the foundation work and infrastructure work.

There was no malice intended in my observation, just thought it odd there only being one on site. And to whoever inferred that I stole it....I hope that was in jest (but i did not see a smiley face after the comment).

DS...see what you started ...porta potty wars. You should not have used "hillbilly" in a north reference. It just invited the snob and elitist and entitlement rhetoric all over again.

By Anonymous on June 3, 2008 8:34 AM
By D&S on June 2, 2008 9:43 PM
P.S. to Anonymous on June 2, 2008 5:44 PM--

Anybody see that beautiful new sign at Eola and Molitor? And it looks like GF had the porta potty removed since it isn't there anymore. Maybe the NSFOC stole it to slow down construction...part of the "slow down" portion of thier campaign. Or is that where they held their meeting last night?
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Given the hillbilly behavior some of you anti-NSFOC folks excel at, my guess is one of your neighbors spyed that mighty fine outhouse and took it home in their pickup truck. Or is it really in YOUR backyard?

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given the declining property values at Tall Grass, I know where I would look for the porta potty.
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Those portable outhouses are considered upscale indoor plumbing in the Metea area. The construction co better find a way to bolt those suckers to the ground. we'll go over budget replacing them!!!!!!!!!!

California can record as many as 300 minor earth quakes in a week’s time. Additionally, they record a major earthquake every couple of years somewhere in the state. The reason for the pipeline law there is that they are more likely than others to have a problem predicted on earth movement.

To Naperville Sun Editors,

This string should be shut down ... unless, of course, the Sun is maintaining it for the purpose of letting people insult each other (if that is the purpose, they are doing a good job).

I know we all have free speech, etc., and for some period of time after the judge's decision I can see allowing people to express their views, etc. In fact, they can continue to do that forever on their own, but what I question is what the Sun feels its role is in facilitating what this has devolved into. Specifically, I am bothered by the notion that the Sun may feel that its purpose is to maintain turmoil via things such as this "Potluck" string, rather than to just report the news. Certainly, the introductory paragraphs they use seem to be written to promote such turmoil. Further, there is so much misinformation and false information in these comments (and some correct information too - as to which is which, I guess you just pick what supports your viewpoint as being the correct information), that eventually this has become something counterproductive to what I thought newspapers are supposed to do - inform the public of the truth. Free speech is one thing, but if the Sun is going to put its name on this page, it should do more editing of what it allows than to check for swear words. Attacks on other people, and assertions which the Sun editors/reporters know to be untrue, should at a minimum be excluded.

The only other explanation I have is that the Sun see itself as a psychologist who is letting its "patients" (readers) vent for some psychological good? However, in the unlikely event that providing a forum for psychological venting is the goal, and I suspect that the comments I have read accomplish the opposite.

By D&S on June 2, 2008 9:43 PM
P.S. to Anonymous on June 2, 2008 5:44 PM--

Anybody see that beautiful new sign at Eola and Molitor? And it looks like GF had the porta potty removed since it isn't there anymore. Maybe the NSFOC stole it to slow down construction...part of the "slow down" portion of thier campaign. Or is that where they held their meeting last night?
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Given the hillbilly behavior some of you anti-NSFOC folks excel at, my guess is one of your neighbors spyed that mighty fine outhouse and took it home in their pickup truck. Or is it really in YOUR backyard?

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given the declining property values at Tall Grass, I know where I would look for the porta potty.

To Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 4:46 PM

yup understand where you are coming from. did anyone ever take a class in college business ethics/policy? In the one I took, I remember the Ford Pinto example for some reason. The risk/reward was deemed not viable to order the recall to replace the gas tanks (pretty sure this is correct, its been along time) What someone overlooked/underestimated was the punative damages for the pintos that did blow up and the customer backlash that resulted.
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I remember the Pinto case. I think the risk/reward ratio was also determined by the fact that there was a possibility the gas tank could ignite only if the car was in a rear-end collision. Ford estimated the likelihood of this happening times the potential damage judgments versus the cost of a recall. They decided a recall would be more expensive so they kept mute about the potential danger. Eventually, a Pinto was rear-ended, the gas tank exploded and the three teenage girls in the car burned to death. Things really hit the fan when the "Pinto" memo came out at trial.

By D&S on June 2, 2008 9:43 PM

"Given the hillbilly behavior some of you anti-NSFOC folks excel at, my guess is one of your neighbors spyed that mighty fine outhouse and took it home in their pickup truck. Or is it really in YOUR backyard?"

That's 'cause we all go to Title I elementary schools up here....

P.S. to Anonymous on June 2, 2008 5:44 PM--

Anybody see that beautiful new sign at Eola and Molitor? And it looks like GF had the porta potty removed since it isn't there anymore. Maybe the NSFOC stole it to slow down construction...part of the "slow down" portion of thier campaign. Or is that where they held their meeting last night?
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Given the hillbilly behavior some of you anti-NSFOC folks excel at, my guess is one of your neighbors spyed that mighty fine outhouse and took it home in their pickup truck. Or is it really in YOUR backyard?

Sorry, MR, couldn't resist!

By Anonymous on June 2, 2008 5:44 PM
Anybody see that beautiful new sign at Eola and Molitor? And it looks like GF had the porta potty removed since it isn't there anymore. Maybe the NSFOC stole it to slow down construction...part of the "slow down" portion of thier campaign. Or is that where they held their meeting last night?
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Snipers: 14

By Anonymous on June 2, 2008 5:38 PM
To:Civics on June 2, 2008 4:17 PM
Hey NSFOCers. I thought there was a big pow-wow sunday night to determine the future of appeals etc?

So...what gives?
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Heard they might join forces with OJ to find Nicole's killer.
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To Anon:

I'm about as likely to believe your SB didn't have anything to do with the mess you're in as I am that OJ didn't do it. Hey, I can get you a good deal on the suit he wore to the trial! Pictures, trophies, anything . . .?!?!

To: Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 4:57 PM

The number of portable toilets are determined by the number of workers on the site that will be using them. The size of the site is not a factor - plus, like any experienced tractor driver knows, you can always pee behind those big wheels and no one will see you. Why do you think most of the equipment is painted yellow?

Sinper sniper sniper...OK everyone I might have my differences with the NSFOC, but your sniper comments towards those that suppor them aren't helping matters or in building relationships with our neighbors who might disagree with us.

Poor Taste!!
MR

To John Plaster on June 2, 2008 4:34 PM

Re: Sniper List

You might want to rethink the sniper list - it might be that not all snipers are anonymous . Matthias Hetzenauer, Nikolay Yakovlevich and Simo Hayha all sound like snipers to me.

Sepp Allerberger: German sniper: WWII
Matthias Hetzenauer: German sniper: WWII
Simo Hayha : Finnish Sniper: WWII

But all I find on Nikolay Yakovlevich is that he was a mathematician. Don't tell me we have to add another line for the sniper list: Rogue Mathematicians? lol
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Major Plaster: This does explain all the strange names popping up, including yours. Looks like K Kid's got some serious competition in the alter ego area!! Clever, though.

Anybody see that beautiful new sign at Eola and Molitor? And it looks like GF had the porta potty removed since it isn't there anymore. Maybe the NSFOC stole it to slow down construction...part of the "slow down" portion of thier campaign. Or is that where they held their meeting last night?

To:Civics on June 2, 2008 4:17 PM
Hey NSFOCers. I thought there was a big pow-wow sunday night to determine the future of appeals etc?

So...what gives?
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Heard they might join forces with OJ to find Nicole's killer.

By Anonymous on June 2, 2008 3:53 PM
I'm confused - isn't this one continuous pipeline that runs 6 miles south through subdivisions, grocery stores/banks/mcdonalds, etc?? and aren't there others throughout the district??
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Again, the people chose to live by the pipelines. Example, bought a home knowing pipelines were nearby. The SB took the choice out of the parents hands in building where they said they would not build. Students, staff and parents are forced to attend a place they may not want to attend. Many parents would not buy a home near gas lines, nor choose a school with gas lines running through the middle of the property...esp if those lines are over 50 years old!

To: Save Earth

Well thanks soooooooo very much for your overwhelming concern for the children and families who will now be going to Metea at Eola. As many of them already live in the vicinity of the pipeline, some even have it in their backyards, I suppose they should now panic and move - get out with their lives while they still can. Maybe they can all move to Tall Grass or White Eagle. I would suppose there are going to be a number of homes there for sale now since so many families there apparently don't want to send their children to MV or WV and will be moving out of the district.

By the way, you might want to consider changing your nom de plum to Save Your Breath - I don't think too many are interested in what you have to say.

By MR on June 2, 2008 3:39 PM
To: Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 12:52 PM
I posted as Fast Times and GF; but I never had a cool alter ego like KK did. oh well perhaps next time.

PS, I drove by the site this weekend (first time in months) to get to a soccergame in butterfield park. Site is flat as a pancake and there are about 30 heavy yellow machines parked in the corner. My question; I only saw one port-0-potty. If SB wants to get er built by Aug 2009, dont you think they are going to need a bank of them? I can forsee lines of workers patiently waiting and more time being spent in lines than on the construction site!! LOL
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Wow, I didn't notice that. Hope they plan ahead because 80 acres is a long way to travel on a tractor if you really gotta go. Maybe we should campaign that the construction workers are receiving poor and unusual treatment from the SB. Because you know it's always the SB, MM and Dr. D's fault.
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Nah, a contract is a contract (I am assuming the contracts are in writing lol lol). whoever is the overall lead contractor should be supplying facilities for their workers (unless the contract states the district will supply the facilities). In a pinch, they could walk accross the street and ask a nice neighbor in Stonebridge to use the facilities.

Only reason I noticed, was I was late and I really had to use the facilities and I saw the oasis on EOla.

To Matt

yup understand where you are coming from. did anyone ever take a class in college business ethics/policy? In the one I took, I remember the Ford Pinto example for some reason. The risk/reward was deemed not viable to order the recall to replace the gas tanks (pretty sure this is correct, its been along time) What someone overlooked/underestimated was the punative damages for the pintos that did blow up and the customer backlash that resulted.

Matt, I encourage you to google "Bellingham Pipeline explosion" it happened in 1999 and 3 kids died. If I remember correctly 100 million in lawsuit settlements.

you would think both the SB and Kinder Morgan would look at an investment in ACV's kinda like an insurance policy against a low frequency event. Also, if the worst does happen, at least they showed they tried to mitigate the effects versus ignoring it.
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By Matthias Hetzenauer on June 2, 2008 2:42 PM
to: Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 1:07 PM

Not being dismissive about ACV's - not in the least. Just trying to get people to consider that no industry is going to spend $$ installing that kind of equipment with out some kind of "risk vs reward" thinking.

As for NTSB - well - air crashes are probably more common than pipe line explosions and have caused more loss of life and property damage over the past 25 years (just a guess on my part - no hard facts to support this).

With regards to NASA and meteorites, I doubt that NASA or Bruce Willis is going to be able to predict or stop any meteorite or falling space junk from coming down where ever it lands.

The point here is that no one can make any location safe from any failure or incident of any kind.

Now all the snipers out there can have a field day and begin shooting. Just be aware - there are those who might "shoot" back.

Sepp Allerberger on June 2, 2008 2:33 PM
To D&S: Re: Sniper List

You might want to rethink the sniper list - it might be that not all snipers are anonymous . Matthias Hetzenauer, Nikolay Yakovlevich and Simo Hayha all sound like snipers to me.

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Sepp Allerberger: German sniper: WWII
Matthias Hetzenauer: German sniper: WWII
Simo Hayha : Finnish Sniper: WWII

But all I find on Nikolay Yakovlevich is that he was a mathematician. Don't tell me we have to add another line for the sniper list: Rogue Mathematicians? lol

Hey NSFOCers. I thought there was a big pow-wow sunday night to determine the future of appeals etc?

So...what gives?

I'm confused - isn't this one continuous pipeline that runs 6 miles south through subdivisions, grocery stores/banks/mcdonalds, etc?? and aren't there others throughout the district??

To: Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 12:52 PM
I posted as Fast Times and GF; but I never had a cool alter ego like KK did. oh well perhaps next time.

PS, I drove by the site this weekend (first time in months) to get to a soccergame in butterfield park. Site is flat as a pancake and there are about 30 heavy yellow machines parked in the corner. My question; I only saw one port-0-potty. If SB wants to get er built by Aug 2009, dont you think they are going to need a bank of them? I can forsee lines of workers patiently waiting and more time being spent in lines than on the construction site!! LOL
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Wow, I didn't notice that. Hope they plan ahead because 80 acres is a long way to travel on a tractor if you really gotta go. Maybe we should campaign that the construction workers are receiving poor and unusual treatment from the SB. Because you know it's always the SB, MM and Dr. D's fault.

By Matthias Hetzenauer on June 2, 2008 10:45 AM
Reality check time on pipeline explosions.

Can they happen? Of course they can. And any number of other things can happen too - meteor strikes, plane crashes, alien invasion, just to pick a few absurdities.

Stop letting your fears dictate your responses. Irrational fear breeds irrational thinking and response. Thousands of families live along pipelines all through Illinois. Hundreds of thousands probably do across the United States as well. Anything can happen but is it likely to? If you are looking for a zero chance that anything can go wrong, then nothing can ever be built anywhere at any time.

I'd be more concerned about student violence and drug use than pipe line explosions.
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All those people chose to be near pipelines. The parents and the kids NOW going to Metea at Eola, had their choice dismissed. Many voters voted for the 3rd HS because it was not Eola, because Eola was specifically excluded by our SB for health, safety and distance reasons. Ask your self then why California passed a law prohibiting new schools from being built near gas lines. Were they just passing the law for fun of passing a law? -dont think so. Only time will tell how bad of a risk was taken.

to: Greg Forrest on June 2, 2008 1:07 PM

Not being dismissive about ACV's - not in the least. Just trying to get people to consider that no industry is going to spend $$ installing that kind of equipment with out some kind of "risk vs reward" thinking.

As for NTSB - well - air crashes are probably more common than pipe line explosions and have caused more loss of life and property damage over the past 25 years (just a guess on my part - no hard facts to support this).

With regards to NASA and meteorites, I doubt that NASA or Bruce Willis is going to be able to predict or stop any meteorite or falling space junk from coming down where ever it lands.

The point here is that no one can make any location safe from any failure or incident of any kind.

Now all the snipers out there can have a field day and begin shooting. Just be aware - there are those who might "shoot" back.

To D&S: Re: Sniper List

You might want to rethink the sniper list - it might be that not all snipers are anonymous . Matthias Hetzenauer, Nikolay Yakovlevich and Simo Hayha all sound like snipers to me.

Hi there Matt

Yup totally agree that the frequency is very very small. however the affects can be catastrophic.

In your line of thinking below (sans the alien invasion example)

1. Meteors: yes frequency small but affects can be catastrophic. THis is why NASA has the earth crossing program to identify the biggies that could cause major problems. are we making this priority #1 as a country? obviously not, but some money is being invested due to the potential affects of an event and potential plans are on the drawing boards to deal with one that is on a direct path for earth (and im not talking about getting Bruce Willis out of retirement to fly in his titianum encased space shuttle)

2. Planes: don't we have the NTSB that continually requires new safety gear and guidelines to help mitigate potential low frequency plane crashes? odds are very low but the affect can be very bad and hence most folks feel it is a good idea to make air travel as safe as we can (assuming REASONABLE financial investment to do so).

Therefore, from this line of thinking; I fail to see why you would be so dismissive of ACV's on the pipes and a mitigation plan (as long as it is not cost prohibitive)?
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By Matthias Hetzenauer on June 2, 2008 10:45 AM
Reality check time on pipeline explosions.

Can they happen? Of course they can. And any number of other things can happen too - meteor strikes, plane crashes, alien invasion, just to pick a few absurdities.

Stop letting your fears dictate your responses. Irrational fear breeds irrational thinking and response. Thousands of families live along pipelines all through Illinois. Hundreds of thousands probably do across the United States as well. Anything can happen but is it likely to? If you are looking for a zero chance that anything can go wrong, then nothing can ever be built anywhere at any time.

I'd be more concerned about student violence and drug use than pipe line explosions.

I posted as Fast Times and GF; but I never had a cool alter ego like KK did. oh well perhaps next time.

PS, I drove by the site this weekend (first time in months) to get to a soccergame in butterfield park. Site is flat as a pancake and there are about 30 heavy yellow machines parked in the corner. My question; I only saw one port-0-potty. If SB wants to get er built by Aug 2009, dont you think they are going to need a bank of them? I can forsee lines of workers patiently waiting and more time being spent in lines than on the construction site!! LOL

To Matthias Hetzenauer on June 2, 2008 10:45 AM--

Re your post:

Reality check time on pipeline explosions.

Can they happen? Of course they can. And any number of other things can happen too - meteor strikes, plane crashes, alien invasion, just to pick a few absurdities.

Stop letting your fears dictate your responses. Irrational fear breeds irrational thinking and response. Thousands of families live along pipelines all through Illinois. Hundreds of thousands probably do across the United States as well. Anything can happen but is it likely to? If you are looking for a zero chance that anything can go wrong, then nothing can ever be built anywhere at any time.

I'd be more concerned about student violence and drug use than pipe line explosions.
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To Matt:

Point made about the probability of a pipeline explosion, but you might want to rethink putting plane crashes in the same category as meteor strikes and alien invasions. These have been known to happen more frequently than the other two.

Hi JJ
after a night on the town, a little blogging before bed is just what the doctor ordered. lol

have a good one
GF

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By South side s/maker on May 31, 2008 10:46 AM
Alright gf and d&s this is really your last chance, between the 2 of you guys you can't possible be getting any sleep. Almost 2a.m. and still posting. Gf it was into the weekend for you, I do not expect a reply until Mon. morning & not at 1am. Seriously folks have a good weekend the sun is shining.

Hi, all!

Since things have calmed down a bit, I think now is a good time to update the sniper list. Actually, it wasn't so bad. I only saw one that had the required level of venom to qualify. This honor goes to Anonymous on May 30, at 9:30 AM. Geez, Anon, get a grip. You're talking about the NSFOC, not the Nazis.

I would like to acknowlege Never forgotten on May 20 at 1:39 PM. The apocalyptic gloom and doom and you'll-get-yours tone did creep me out and would have qualified for stalker status, but alas, this poster has a moniker.

Updated score:

Snipers: 13
Stalkers: 5
Strawmen: 3
Smarta$$es: 1

MEW, I overreacted...sorry, the smiley would have helped. You and I (along with GF, D&S, and many others) agree on making the pipeline "the best that it can be."

D&S, I'm here to please...I gotta million of 'em! I'll be here all week, be sure to tip the bartender!!

To Khazakstan Kid on June 1, 2008 9:29 PM

"One persona was truly an even-handed, yet comical, analysis of the topics du jour, one was sticking it to some turd poisoning the airwaves . . ."
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I'm laughing so hard, I . . . can't . . . breathe . . .!!!!!!!!!

Reality check time on pipeline explosions.

Can they happen? Of course they can. And any number of other things can happen too - meteor strikes, plane crashes, alien invasion, just to pick a few absurdities.

Stop letting your fears dictate your responses. Irrational fear breeds irrational thinking and response. Thousands of families live along pipelines all through Illinois. Hundreds of thousands probably do across the United States as well. Anything can happen but is it likely to? If you are looking for a zero chance that anything can go wrong, then nothing can ever be built anywhere at any time.

I'd be more concerned about student violence and drug use than pipe line explosions.

K Kid:

Heavy-handed perhaps but I think you missed that its was a good natured jab at you, lighten up Borat.(Sorry I forgot the winky emoticon - ;)) I certainly don't paint the entire pro-SB/Eola faction with the same broad brush, the essence of humor is the truth that lies within the joke. You never did tell me how Pam-ella is doing.

On a serious note, the pipelines. Greg & Arch have first hand accounts of what could happen. You, and others, have performed a risk analysis and have determined that there is a very small possiblity that anything could happen. Both points are vaild, thus it comes down to a frequency vs. severity debate.

My problem is that there are some very easy ways to address the pipeline situation however the SB has yet to acknowledge (again if I missed it I'll retract this statement) any potential risk nor have they announced any plans to do anything about them in the way of preventive action. I've already accepted that Metea will be built on Eola (but still light candles on Sunday hoping that it won't - ;) ) so why not do everything necessary to make it the best/safest it can be?

Metea
KK

Right at the start I used to post under all sorts of names. (Once upon a time GF even said he would vote for me for SB if I ever ran!) But that was some months ago, right as things were heating up. Since I started using "Civics", thats the only name I have posted under -- despite occasional SEVERE temptation to get abusive, snotty or (even more) smart-assed (than usual) under a different name.

(Also, KK, loved your big summary post. It sums up my feelings so well, I think I am without words! How odd!!)

By Metea Either Way on June 1, 2008 9:38 AM

"K Kid:

I hope you are right, I really do.

Thanks for coming clean about your duplicity, your SB & pro-Eola compatriots would be well served by following your lead."

MEW, "duplicity" is a rather heavy-handed choice of words. It's a stupid blog, for heaven's sake. One persona was truly an even-handed, yet comical, analysis of the topics du jour, one was sticking it to some turd poisoning the airwaves and preventing the rest of us from having a rational exchange of ideas. It's not like I lied about going to war or something. I get you're point, but hey, lighten up, will ya? I don't toss you in with ETSB, so don't say the knuckleheads who post junk you disagree with are my compatriots.

Hey, I really don't want to have to start posting under "MEW is my Puppet" ;-)

By Happy in the North on May 30, 2008 8:09 AM
Wow, the judge really put them in their place. NSFOC can't even appeal this!

Now, perhaps they will join the rest of the southern section of D204 (the majority) and embrace their new boundaries/schools.

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LOL! Ignorance. Love it. The NSFOC should appeal just to show those "happy in the North" their ignorant side.

To KKid
great post

YEah I know the pipes are like getting hit by lightening and I know I sound like a worry wart, but its kinda like getting bit by a rattlesnake. The odds are low, but once you have been bitten you tend to be extra cautious and wary anytime you hear a rustling or rattle sound in the brush below. Luckly there are no rattlesnakes in CHicagoland, but there are pipes. We cant remove all the threats to everything, but if we can further mitigate the potential worst case risks, I think that is a no brainer (assuming its not cost prohibitive). sounds like you are in agreement on this part.

School will be built on Eola: Greg;s big 3 complaints:

BB damages (moot point now) I agree with you and D&S on this. Also, only the damages (those 2 suits) would have evaporated with SB purchasing BB site. The Preit suit part would have remained IMO (luckly for us, this part has the least chance of being sucessful IMO) there is no point on speculating on BB costs until we have the actuals. what is done is done and we are now fully committed whether we like it or not.

Population center location: (also moot point) its done

Pipes: there are still some things that can be done here to help mitigate a potential negative of the site and I for one would like to see it done. It saddens and dismays me that more folks that will actually be sending their kids there wouldnt also be calling for this? Perhaps next week when the NSFOC formally drops the case (no appeal) we will see more folks feel comfortable enough to ask for this mitigation without worring about jeopardizing the 3rd HS status.

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y Khazakstan Kid on May 31, 2008 7:00 PM
I wanted to let all this stuff sink in (and let the emotion die down) before commenting. First off, Young-Granger-WV/MV. If Popejoy had ruled as definitively in favor of NSFOC as he did for the SB I know I'd be in a state of mourning and those on the other side of the issue have my sympathy. The opinions expressed are mine and do not represent those of the station. With that said, here goes.

We're fine going to WV. We're fine going to MV. We will miss WV. We're glad to have stolen Jim Schmid. Sorry TG/WE, you lose again on this one ;-) OK, OK, enough.

I cannot fathom what good could possibly come from NSFOC filing an appeal. Collins has basically said as much. It's time to let it go.

If someone wants to seek revenge against the NSFOC, that's their prerogative. Just don't ask me for a donation. I think you ought to knock this crap off, but do what you gotta do.

I believe the current Eola site is safe. No contamination. No need for remediation. People are free to feel differently, but the contamination is north of the site and I'm not buying Collins' argument that pollution has spewed forth from MWGEN to a degree that makes this a problem for the current site. They've been growing corn there for the 15 years I've lived along Eola. No remediation is needed now or in the future and I am fully confident in sending my kids there. Thanks again to the NSFOC for the unintended consequence of forcing MWGEN to back out thereby siting the school further from the contamination (this one was for you, D&S!).

Pipeline, schmipeline. I've read all of Arch's analysis and there are no discernible flaws in his research. With that said, the freakin' swimming pool poses a greater threat to the safety of my kids than the pipeline does. Greg, I gotcha on the Bellingham incident, but if these things were as unsafe as you and Arch want us to believe, the entire eastern part of Texas and the entire state of LA would be constantly aflame. Millions of people live and work along that pipeline every day. You won't convince me I need to live my life in needless fear of the boogieman. I'm on board with adding those valve thingees to the pipeline, just for added safety. That makes sense.

Now on to the school board. I have never believed bait-n-switch occurred. I have never believed in the conspiracy angle. I do not believe they purposely made their decisions with the intent to stick it to anybody. Popejoy agrees with me. People are free to consider the SB to be the devil incarnate as that is your right, but, Popejoy and I don't think that's true. The SB has, however, made some dumb decisions for which I believe they will held accountable (dumb does not equal unethical, malicious, etc.). If that means voting them off, so be it. MR makes some good points that they're doing good work on other, less contentious issues, but people should vote however they choose. At some point folks, you're going to have to let go of your anger and move on.

MV will open. Teachers, administrators, and janitors will be paid. Electric bills will be paid. If an operating referendum doesn't pass to cover these costs, the district will cannibalize NV, WV, the middle schools, and the elementary schools. YOU WILL PAY in one way or another. Let the anger go people...

I'm ignoring comments on BB settlement costs. It's just speculation. I do, however, wish we weren't in this predicament. I'm not ready to sign off that Eola will cost more than BB, we need to wait for the judgement. Who really knows at this point.

Lastly, I might as well come clean that I've been posting under two other monikers. "ETSB is my Puppet" and "Awards from the Whatever Meeting" are both me (as MR can attest -- yes, we know each other). I've been living a lie lo these many weeks. Now I feel better.

Ok, I must say D&S you crushed me.

You are correct I have no life on Saturday for I must work. I did get out to smell the lilacs as they are planted next to the front door. I could not wax the minivan (though you would have been correct 6 mo. ago) as I traded it in on a more fuel efficient model, but you will be proud to know my teenager washed it for me. My other son painted the mail box a month ago in kind of a purple & silver flame motif, (the neighbors are not pleased). I am happy to report to you D&S that the deck was demolished a few years ago, opting for low maintenance cement. And finally I did spend some time w/the family eating out but we did not visit sweet tomatoes (is it good placer to eat). Thanks again for the interest (lol). But seriously thanks for all the informative posts in the past.

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To South side s/maker on May 31, 2008 10:46 AM--

What the heck where you doing on the computer this morning? Didn't you look outside? It was gorgeous! A perfect day to have the mini van detailed, plant the zinnias, paint the mailbox, drink wine on the deck and have dinner with the family at Sweet Tomatoes. There's more to life than blogging, guy. Get out and smell the lilacs! (LOL!)

Great points!

I got burned yesterday (bringing sunscreen with me for this afternoons activities

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By It's a beautiful morning! on May 31, 2008 9:15 AM
I think that it's time for both sides to grow up. It gets old reading one side was nastier than the other. Of course you are going to feel that your opposing side behaved worse than you. Human nature.

So stop all this nonsense. You sound like a bunch of bratty little school girls. Is this how you would want to your children to act and talk. Hopefully not.

Enjoy the beautiful weekend and stop blogging 24/7. Go plant some flowers, hug your kids, go to the pool, park, ride a bike. Do something positive today other than fighting with a complete stranger.

Time to enjoy the beautiful day and hope you do too.

You can come back and slam me but that's ok because I will be to busy enjoying life and won't have time to read to your replies. Maybe in a few days I will.

its been a beutiful weekend so far. Got a little burnt yesterday watching so many soccer games. Kristin is at the gym and one of my kids has baseball practice in an hour, so I have about 45 minutes and while the cat is away, the mouse will play for a few posts!!!

To NSFOC:
per my previous post (my opinion, gulp! vote?); if construction cannot be stopped pending an appeal, it is time to stand aside regarding the 3rd HS question.

PLEASE do not dis-assemble the organization that has been set up. We need to keep a very very close eye on the SB from here on out (even if the board is flushed out and all new members in the next 2-3 years). Given the the ethical and morally challanged status of our current board, going back to sleep just invites further slimy/questionable behavior (IMO).

I would like to see some effort to get ACV's on both ends of the pipes just outside the property. Not doing this seems reckless given the location of our school.

Thanks for all your efforts!! Never hang your head for doing what you feel is right!! I know I wont be losing any sleep.

Best
GF

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By NSFOC on May 30, 2008 5:49 PM
D204 Motion To Dismiss Successful

May 30, 2008

District 204's Motion to Dismiss (MTD) the NSFOC and other Plaintiffs' complaint was honored by Judge Popejoy. As you may have heard by now, he dismissed the complaint based on NSFOC and Plaintiffs not having legal standing to bring the complaint in the first place. Obviously, we are very disappointed, but not completely surprised with the decision.

The rationale for the Judge's view is that Illinois law gives the school district and board the exclusive right to decide on the location and boundaries for a new school, regardless of what is presented or proposed to the community as part of the process of passing a referendum. In addition, the referendum language said "a location" not "Brach-Brodie", and the Judge felt that under Illinois law, the specific referendum language must prevail, excluding any other outside information provided to the public prior to the vote. Thus, there was no guaranteed location in his view.

Once that decision on the referendum wording was made, it does not matter what else the plaintiffs argued - the thousands of emails, fliers in backpacks, media interviews and public meetings promoting the decision on the location and boundaries - as they now become moot based on the Judge's initial perspective.

As NSFOC breaks down Judge Popejoy's decision, we welcome your feedback on 1) further actions - appeal, no appeal or otherwise, and 2) future direction and use of NSFOC. Please let us know your thoughts by Sunday at 6 PM. NSFOC will make a final decision on appeal next week.

THANK YOU again...for your support in the form of suggestions, feedback, volunteering and funding over the last few months. Next week we will highlight several important victories in shedding light on the questionable actions of the school board like 35,000 website uses and nearly 1000 donations; getting Midwest Gen to do the right thing in backing out of their Eola land sale to D204; exposing the 3 gas pipelines traversing the AME land, 7 secret environmental reports, that AME land was previously owned by power companies; and D204 misleading the public that the all-in Eola/AME cost is less than Brach-Brodie when the opposite is true by over $25 million - for just a few examples.

It has been a long, hard, uphill road...and we hope to continue to walk it together with you through the coming weeks, and months - with your ongoing support and blessings - as we get our school district back on track...to continue to work for the safety of all children and staff in District 204 as well as the fiscal responsibility and accountability of District 204's School Board and Administration.

Please continue to stay involved with the NSFOC organization. Although we may have lost this legal opportunity it does not mean that we are dead. We may have lost a battle but we haven't lost the war. However, we need your guidance to determine our future focus.

Sincerely,
the NSFOC

K Kid:

I hope you are right, I really do.

Thanks for coming clean about your duplicity, your SB & pro-Eola compatriots would be well servd by following your lead.

To Sad For the kids:

School hours will change, you won't be sitting in traffic, that statement is not true. Even if hours stayed the same it would not take 90 minutes to get home, unless you are walking!

I drive south on Eola every day to get my kids down near 75th and Modaff - takes about 20 minutes with traffic and all and I live just north of Metea. Really, you're arguments continue to be baseless.

"By Sad for the kids on May 31, 2008 11:08 PM",

Where do you live? Wrigleyville? I got home from the Cub's game in just a little over an hour :) I don't think it will take you an hour and a half to go 5 or so miles. Unless you walk with your kid piggyback.

To South side s/maker on May 31, 2008 10:46 AM--

What the heck where you doing on the computer this morning? Didn't you look outside? It was gorgeous! A perfect day to have the mini van detailed, plant the zinnias, paint the mailbox, drink wine on the deck and have dinner with the family at Sweet Tomatoes. There's more to life than blogging, guy. Get out and smell the lilacs! (LOL!) :-)

To Khazakstan Kid on May 31, 2008 7:00 PM--

It's about time you weighed in. I wasn't completely surprised about your multiple personalities. I loved Awards! Since he was only around after SB meetings, I suspected he was an alter-ego of someone, just didn't know who. But I must admit ETSB is my Puppet was a surprise. Didn't see that one coming at all. Well done!

I do think it's time for the NSFOC to let it go. Like you, I didn't think there was a bait-and-switch or any conspiracies either, just very bad judgment. But since I was very involved in the 06 ref process and heard exactly what the NSFOC did during that time, I understood why they felt compelled to do what they did. Shawn Collins was always candid; at every meeting I attended he reiterated that the lawsuit was a long shot. So while a lot of folks are disappointed in the dismissal, they shouldn't be that surprised. And since it did have some worthwhile unintended consequences (thanks for the mention in your post), I don't think it was a waste of time, money or effort for anyone. Thanks, NSFOC!

As far as the Eola site goes, I only had two objections to it: the MWGen land, and the lawsuits from BB. When the SB was trying to buy the MWGen land, I always had a sick feeling about it. After all, this is 204, for heaven's sake! We have always had high standards for our schools. Maybe buying PCB infested land and "fencing that baby off" is standard in the hills of Kentucky, but not here, Dr. D!

You also have to understand that GF and Arch have a unique perspective on the pipeline issue. From what I understand, GF was in the Bellingham area at the time of the incident there, and Arch has had first person experience through one of his children with something that was unlikely to happen but did. Arch did not get into the specifics, but it sounded pretty traumatic. This would make any reasonable person more sensitive to the pipeline issue. If their concern results in additional safety measures for Metea, then this is something all parents should be grateful for.

As for the BB lawsuits, the SD has committed us, the taxpayers, to pay whatever judgment the court decides. I do think the damages will be more than what the SB has been telling us it will be. But I can't continue to worry about something over which I have no control. I'm sure we'll have lots of opportunities to discuss this later!

Gotta crash! TTYL--

D&S

I have driven several times on a Friday at 5pm from the Metea area to WV and it takes about 15 minutes even with very bad traffic.

By Sad for the kids on May 31, 2008 11:08 PM

Where do you people get this 90 minutes stuff? I live here, it's nowhere near as bad as you keep making it out to be. Look at the boundary map and see which areas will actually have to deal with Eola traffic. 90 minutes? Where the heck do you think people who attend MV live, High Meadow?

You can convince yourself that any situation is good or bad. You've obviously picked the latter.

I feel bad for the kids that will sit in traffic on north Eola for 2 hours a day on a hot bus, not to mention the parents who need to pick them up from after school activities. You'll pick your kids up at 4:30 and get home at 6. To me that is the greatest tragedy. The traffic over there is horrible, if you don't believe me then just try the drive yourself someday. It is probably the most overlooked factor in this whole ordeal.

the ref language did not say 124.6mil is all that will be spent on the school and land

it was an amount of bonds to sell and those proceeds can only be used for that purpose

those proceeds can also be accompanied by any other money the district wants to throw at buying land and building a school

there is no upper limit set

the school board did pass a resolution saying they would not ask the taxpayers for more money

bb damages would fall under torte money and can be passed on to us without asking

remember that

also remember what they say and what they eventually do don't have to match

never forget that

Looking past the dismissal of the NSFOC case based on constitutional rights violations, what about the fact that the referendum cost of $124.66 million is written on the referendum in black and white, but the district has not met that number and will never come close to it?

$150 million is already the latest estimate, but you have to add damages of $20 million ($10M to $40M range) and $30 million in additional bus costs over 20 years as the other person said. So we may already be heading for $200 million and counting. Plainfield is building 9 schools for about the same number.

So does the judge think its the SB's right to put an exact figure in the referendum language then spend whatever they damn well please? Using just the financial argument and the judge's narrow view of the law, D204 is clearly breaking the law then right?

Thank you judge for the narrow view. If its all about words, then we have some explicit words to complain about.

Add the risks from future lawsuits based on health issues that D204 cannot counter due to no testing and no remediation of the AME site, bus safety risks form many more kids on buses traveling longer distances, those pipelines that will not go away, and all the other stuff (railroads, power lines, etc.), and you have a serious over-spending of the taxpayers' money.

So is there saome kind of law that says the district and SB can do what it wants even if it spends $200-250 million when the approved amount was $124.660 million? Is one dollar too much or is a billion OK?

I wanted to let all this stuff sink in (and let the emotion die down) before commenting. First off, Young-Granger-WV/MV. If Popejoy had ruled as definitively in favor of NSFOC as he did for the SB I know I'd be in a state of mourning and those on the other side of the issue have my sympathy. The opinions expressed are mine and do not represent those of the station. With that said, here goes.

We're fine going to WV. We're fine going to MV. We will miss WV. We're glad to have stolen Jim Schmid. Sorry TG/WE, you lose again on this one ;-) OK, OK, enough.

I cannot fathom what good could possibly come from NSFOC filing an appeal. Collins has basically said as much. It's time to let it go.

If someone wants to seek revenge against the NSFOC, that's their prerogative. Just don't ask me for a donation. I think you ought to knock this crap off, but do what you gotta do.

I believe the current Eola site is safe. No contamination. No need for remediation. People are free to feel differently, but the contamination is north of the site and I'm not buying Collins' argument that pollution has spewed forth from MWGEN to a degree that makes this a problem for the current site. They've been growing corn there for the 15 years I've lived along Eola. No remediation is needed now or in the future and I am fully confident in sending my kids there. Thanks again to the NSFOC for the unintended consequence of forcing MWGEN to back out thereby siting the school further from the contamination (this one was for you, D&S!).

Pipeline, schmipeline. I've read all of Arch's analysis and there are no discernible flaws in his research. With that said, the freakin' swimming pool poses a greater threat to the safety of my kids than the pipeline does. Greg, I gotcha on the Bellingham incident, but if these things were as unsafe as you and Arch want us to believe, the entire eastern part of Texas and the entire state of LA would be constantly aflame. Millions of people live and work along that pipeline every day. You won't convince me I need to live my life in needless fear of the boogieman. I'm on board with adding those valve thingees to the pipeline, just for added safety. That makes sense.

Now on to the school board. I have never believed bait-n-switch occurred. I have never believed in the conspiracy angle. I do not believe they purposely made their decisions with the intent to stick it to anybody. Popejoy agrees with me. People are free to consider the SB to be the devil incarnate as that is your right, but, Popejoy and I don't think that's true. The SB has, however, made some dumb decisions for which I believe they will held accountable (dumb does not equal unethical, malicious, etc.). If that means voting them off, so be it. MR makes some good points that they're doing good work on other, less contentious issues, but people should vote however they choose. At some point folks, you're going to have to let go of your anger and move on.

MV will open. Teachers, administrators, and janitors will be paid. Electric bills will be paid. If an operating referendum doesn't pass to cover these costs, the district will cannibalize NV, WV, the middle schools, and the elementary schools. YOU WILL PAY in one way or another. Let the anger go people...

I'm ignoring comments on BB settlement costs. It's just speculation. I do, however, wish we weren't in this predicament. I'm not ready to sign off that Eola will cost more than BB, we need to wait for the judgement. Who really knows at this point.

Lastly, I might as well come clean that I've been posting under two other monikers. "ETSB is my Puppet" and "Awards from the Whatever Meeting" are both me (as MR can attest -- yes, we know each other). I've been living a lie lo these many weeks. Now I feel better.

A principal or other public official whose wages are paid by taxpayers is accountable to the public. A newspaper editor is accountable to his customers, also the public. Public entities have policies designed to ensure proper conduct by those who serve the public. Similarly, media companies have policies designed to ensure that employees such as editors uphold job performance and even conduct themselves in such a way in personal life. The key difference is public vs. private. Typically, public institutions are fair game for scrutiny because taxpayers' interests are at stake. Private entities -- such as parochial schools, corporations, hospitals -- typically are not subject to as much public scrutiny.

Beam me up. You said to the Sun - for the 5/30/08 article - that the judge did a meticulous job on the dismissal. How about the fact he said that the NSFOC filed the complaint after the AME land purchase...and the fact that the NSFOC filed its complaint about a month before the land purchase took place. Real effort there judge! If this is meticulous, then we are all doomed in his court.

Secondly, the Sun continues to spew whatever D204 hands to them. For two examples, that they have already been advised to stop doing, but still report as facts:

1) The condemnation price came back at twice the price the district budgeted for. Wrong AGAIN Sun -- the district had $610,000 per acre in escrow. When Howard Crouse spoke to the possibility of a $600,000 per acre outcome he said the district had the money for any outcome. The district also knew the market at BB site before the referendum was voted on. That's why they started condemnation in Dec 2005, before the referendum vote in Mar 2006. The $518,000 per acre outcome was covered from the beginning of negotiations with BB for the 54 acre parcel at BB.

2) The AME land was a savings of $10 million versus BB site. Please note that the AME land - when you count all the costs (not just land) - is over $25 million more costly to the taxpayers of D204 than Eola. Just look at the walk away damages at BB site (estimated at $20 million), plus the additional transportation costs from Eola being far from the population center of the district (estimated at $30 million based on the district's own data - the matching of students to schools and the resulting increase in bus miles). That is before the run-up in fuel costs!
So $20m + $30m = 50m more for Eola versus your $10m in savings you keep promoting on behalf of the district. Wake up - the taxpayers are being screwed and are picking up the tab.

to: Anonymous on May 31, 2008 7:51 AM

Please remind us of the "serious environmental issues". Seems to me the testing found small amounts of diesel fuel. For you to allude that there is still a power generation facility there is completely wrong and misleading. As for putting a school, so far north, there are issues with putting one too far south as well.

It is apparently the fashion of the anti Eola site to find fault with the site no matter what is said if it is contrary to their opinions. The BB lawsuits are going to be resolved - and probably at a much lower cost than the doomsday scenarios the NSFOC has published. The pro-NSFOC crowd's predicted victory in court over the SB was proven to be less than accurate - a Maggie's Drawers if I ever saw one. I doubt the accuracy of their BB predictions are any better. Maybe it's time for them to go back to the range.

in order to help the healing it may be a good idea for those focers who drove to any of the meetings check with the dmv, aurora pd, naperville pd and dupage county sheriff to assure yourself that no politically motivated violation of the drivers privacy protection act of 1994 took place against you using your license plate number

18 U.S.C. § 2721 et. seq.
(Public Law 103-322)

because it was vehemently denied that it ever happened it should check out squeaky clean and help put this whole thing behind us so we can all come together for a great big group hug that is long overdue

Alright gf and d&s this is really your last chance, between the 2 of you guys you can't possible be getting any sleep. Almost 2a.m. and still posting. Gf it was into the weekend for you, I do not expect a reply until Mon. morning & not at 1am. Seriously folks have a good weekend the sun is shining.

I think that it's time for both sides to grow up. It gets old reading one side was nastier than the other. Of course you are going to feel that your opposing side behaved worse than you. Human nature.

So stop all this nonsense. You sound like a bunch of bratty little school girls. Is this how you would want to your children to act and talk. Hopefully not.

Enjoy the beautiful weekend and stop blogging 24/7. Go plant some flowers, hug your kids, go to the pool, park, ride a bike. Do something positive today other than fighting with a complete stranger.

Time to enjoy the beautiful day and hope you do too.

You can come back and slam me but that's ok because I will be to busy enjoying life and won't have time to read to your replies. Maybe in a few days I will.

I get such a kick out of everyone “gloating” on this board that this was a huge victory yesterday against the NSFOC. It wasn’t, and for all you gloaters, there are still several serious decisions that will ultimately affect this high school.

First there are both lawsuits that are going to be heard on June 10th. What happens when the SB is found liable and are on the hook for tens of millions of dollars? Are you going to be gloating then, knowing that the overall cost for the new Matea site is now more money than originally told? Are you going to be happy when the SB comes back to the residents of 204 and tell us they need to raise our taxes because of their gross incompetence?

Second the location and the issues regarding the land. Who in their right mind would put a school so far north, on a piece of land sitting next to a power station that had serious environmental issues? That alone is one of the stupidest decisions anyone can make! I can’t wait to see the transportation costs in a couple of years. The SB will pass the blame onto the gas companies for the high costs of transporting our kids, and ultimately they will pass on a bigger tax increase to us because of it.

Just watch, in 5 years this new school will be one of the worst decisions a SB could make. The population base will grow bigger in the south, transportation costs will be through the roof, and there will be safety issues because the SB didn’t do its due diligence regarding the power plant.

I fell sorry for the parents that have children that are in middle school, and have their lives affected by the lies the SB told us. I think this SB is horrible, incompetent, and should be replaced. Going forward, I will not vote for any of these bozos for re-election in 2009 when their seats are up, and I will vote no for any type of referendum the SB tries to pass going forward.

To all you gloaters keep gloating, but in several years, you’ll wish this school had never been built. I can’t wait to hear everyone change their tune when their taxes go up. Too bad it will be too late to make a difference. It will be a one big “I told you so”.

"Keep in mind that O.J. Simpson was found not guilty by a court of law, but that did not mean he was innocent. A civil court ruling later held him liable."

Yeah, also keep in mind his promises to keep looking for the "real" killer.:) Will nsfoc continue to solicit donations to keep looking out for the " real safety of the kids"?

After all of the heartfelt rhetoric about train tracks, EMF,gas lines and such I would expect them to continue to research, hire outside consultants,picket with explosion pictures,etc.What about all of the Chicagoland schools facing the same "safety travesties"? This problem should keep the nsfoc busy for YEARS! After all, this was such an important tool and platform when soliciting donations for the lawsuit.
What are they planning to keep this very important concern at the forefront?Is Collin's hired on indefinitely? Perhaps he'll do it Pro Bono. Surely they won't give up now.................

By go away already NSFOC on May 30, 2008 2:39 PM

The school district spent a great deal of time and money trying to satisfy the Tall Grass homeowners and in the end found it a better option to build at a different site. The northern part of the school district did not behave badly. We did not harrass coporations in the district. Did not pester people with misleading flyers as they shopped our stores. Did not sue our neighbors.
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The northern part of the district did not behave badly? Have you been reading these blogs? Did you ever attend a SB meeting? In what alternate universe have you been living?

You did not harrass corporations in the district? You harrassed some of the leaders of the NSFOC. You called their homes, spoke inappropriately to their children who answered, posted a map of their homes on the internet and other such creepy, over the edge behavior.

You did not pester people with misleading flyers as they shopped our stores? The SB did that for you in 06 when they pestered voters with their misleading flyers in our kid's backpacks.

You did not sue your neighbors? Yes, you are. See Here It Comes on May 30, 2008 5:46 PM above.

Wrong on all counts. There is no difference between you and the NSFOC you hate so much. As Metea EW would say: Pot, meet kettle.

Hi D&S

LOL
you called nailed it. Kinda like Brookdale 80% no in 2006 and then fast forward to the present and cant find one person (at least so far) to publically admit a no vote in 2006 but now are 100% in favor of the 3rd HS.. We never got anyone to give full disclosure from Brookdale like that. I guess it's ok for some, but not others. Double standards all around. LOL. I hope the below person from NSFOCfraud... err strike that...change to MakeNSFOCpay is from Brookdale, the circle would then be complete.

Have a good weekend D&S!!
GF

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By D&S on May 30, 2008 8:28 PM

I'm loving this! So all you virtuous "we would NEVER sue our neighbors" anti-NSFOCers are not above suing your neighbors after all! Like I always said, never say never.

I think Shawn Collins should be available. Maybe you too can get him at a reduced rate. Start ponying up the cash, folks! It's not cheap.

Hysterical!!

oooooh S C A R Y....

Want to hear something even more scary? you are just buying yourself a whole mess of forever vote no's to anything and everything. I think I may join them based on what I continually see on this blog. I am wasting my friggin time. The division may never heal (our fault, your fault, SB fault or a combo of the 3 doesnt matter anymore) Private school sounds nice. That way I get to stick around and watch the fires burn all over the scorched earth that was once a district flush with money.

We all reap what we sough (and maybe we all deserve everything that comes next). Look forward to hearing from you if you ever get your movement off the ground. Better start cutting checks for $204 LOL LOL.
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By Here It Comes on May 30, 2008 5:46 PM
While all you NSFOC supporters are here saying you did great things and that this was the right thing to do. Yada Yada Yada

We are putting a group together, MaketheNSFOCpay.Org. The site will be up in about a week. The SB can't sue to replace the cost of defending itself because it is a public board. However, Personal tax payers can, under a class action lawsuit. If you don't agree with a small group of people wasting your tax dollars. Please sign up on our site and become part of our class action. We need 10% of the taxing body on board. All moneys collected by the class action will be donated directly back to the schools where it belongs. Send the signal people of district 204 that we will not put up with this in the future, and sign up soon.

By Tall Grass Snobs on May 30, 2008 4:49 PM
To NSFOC.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=r86fKe8U6X4

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=Qf2S7kKLtEQ

To Arch on May 30, 2008 4:10 PM--

Gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to let me know about this. I think I'll check out the blue and green boards occasionally to keep up with this. If my child were slated for MV, I'd be doing the same thing. Good luck.

Hmmmm
NCHS principal behaves unethically........
SB 204 behaves unethically......
Hmmmmm
Calls for boycotting BB??????

Common sense will prevail. We just need the gas price to go a little bit higher, the traffic to get a little worse and the air we breath to get a bit more smoggy and we will get there - the kids will be attending their closest neigborhood schools.

I find the comments over boundaries fascinating. If I understand the tone of the blogs over the last 6 month then TG and WE are the only subdivisions in 204 who challenge goofy boundaries. So the good news is when the boundaries change again(and they will over time) then the rest of the district (Springbrook, Brookdale, Tamarack, etc) will swim with the fishes move out of NV to WV, MV and vise versa. Wow it will be really boring when the boundaries change again and noone makes a stink.

To MR,GF and the troop,

Take a long deep breath before going after bb folks. Maybe civics or others can do the math on how much tax revenue is brought in once developed. Tax revenue for things like operation refs, a/c, maintenance for aging buildings, etc. Realize the 90's and most of this decade are gone, things may stay a little tight financially for years or decades to come. Lets not jump into anything that might look ugly as history passes. Remember bean fields do not bring in much needed tax revenue. Maybe a better idea has been suggested by Gf and others to take a break and enjoy other things for the weekend.
Good Night

To Here It Comes on May 30, 2008 5:46 PM--

Re your notice:

While all you NSFOC supporters are here saying you did great things and that this was the right thing to do. Yada Yada Yada

We are putting a group together, MaketheNSFOCpay.Org. The site will be up in about a week. The SB can't sue to replace the cost of defending itself because it is a public board. However, Personal tax payers can, under a class action lawsuit. If you don't agree with a small group of people wasting your tax dollars. Please sign up on our site and become part of our class action. We need 10% of the taxing body on board. All moneys collected by the class action will be donated directly back to the schools where it belongs. Send the signal people of district 204 that we will not put up with this in the future, and sign up soon.
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I'm loving this! So all you virtuous "we would NEVER sue our neighbors" anti-NSFOCers are not above suing your neighbors after all! Like I always said, never say never.

I think Shawn Collins should be available. Maybe you too can get him at a reduced rate. Start ponying up the cash, folks! It's not cheap.

Hysterical!!

By MR on May 30, 2008 4:32 PM
To: By D&S on May 30, 2008 10:36 AM

Of course, the anti-NSFOCers are still so freaked out they can't acknowledge this and probably never will, but given what I heard from some of them at school board meetings and what I've seen posted here, I didn't expect any better.

I do expect there to be a lot of board turnover in 2009 and 2011 and a lot more interested residents from now on. I think there are lessons here we can all take with us to keep this from ever happening again. Let's just hope that folks calm down enough to pay attention to them.

Cheers--D&S
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D$S,

I'll let you make up your own mind on youself, Sinper? Maybe you shouldn't stereotype I don't think you've heard a negative word from any of the regulars on this blog that support the Eola site. Take a look at any of my posts. To judge one group you should be expected not to be judged yourself. I've also heard some very disgusting things from those in the southern part of the district but I have never brought it up until now.

Sadly D&S, I doubt turnout will improve at the SB meetings unless it is for their own self interests. Like I mentioned there were 2 people on Tuesday. If people turn out great I would like that they might learn what our school board does 90% of the time, and it isn't regarding the 3rd HS Issue.

MR
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MR, please, Please, PLEASE stop taking things so personally. You KNOW I'm not referring to the regulars, esp. not those like K Kid whose posts have acknowledged the good the NSFOC has done for Metea, however unintentional, and not yours, either. I AM referring to many of the other postings here, anons and otherwise, and the stuff we were all subjected to from some anti-NSFOCers at SB meetings. I have heard insulting things from the south as well, but nothing that outweighs what's been traveling from north to south. And as you can see from the posts on this thread alone, the anti-NSFOC vitriol has continued unchecked since yesterday's verdict. You've heard me on this soapbox before. I simply agree with Thanks NSFOC. Hope this doesn't uninvite me to your BBQ this summer. :-)

I think there will be a lot of board TURNOVER in the next few years, with more folks taking an interest in voting for these positions. I don't expect TURNOUT at board meetings to change. I tried going to a few SB meetings in the past for no particular reason, and it was all I could do to stay awake. They do make important decisions for the district all the time, but it can be pretty dry stuff unless there's something controversial going on. I've got to hand it to you and GF for wanting to give it a try.

Cheers!

D&S

P.S.--I can't be a sniper, and neither can you. By definition, snipers are always anonymous.

To: anon2 on May 30, 2008 6:32 PM

Don't let your kids cross any roads, drink tap water or play on any metal playground equipment, you never know what dangers lurk.....
Keep them sheltered at all times....

To sick-and-tired on May 30, 2008 3:56 PM--

Re your response:

You Sir have obviously not read Judge Popejoy's ruling. If you did, you would concur with the rest of the NSFOC supporters that there was no injustice done -- NONE WHATSOEVER. If you dont understand or believe in the Illinois code of law, or legal processes in general, move to some other state or fascist country.
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The Judge ruled there was no LEGAL injustice done. He did not rule on the unethical or dishonest tactics used by the SB to get a Yes vote out of some 204 voters. I was there throughout the whole process. I know what I heard and read from the SB. No legal decision will ever change that.

Keep in mind that O.J. Simpson was found not guilty by a court of law, but that did not mean he was innocent. A civil court ruling later held him liable.

From Arch 5/30 4:10 pm-
...."Now, if Watts was not slated to go there, I would still have my concerns about the site forever but I'll admit it would be easier to 'back off' the concern knowing that it's no longer my problem (except from a financial one when the lawsuit awards hit us)"...

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Because i believe your information about the pipelines, arch, i will NEVER let my kids go to the metea site for a sporting event, wheatland athletic basketball, etc.

They are not slated to go there for high school.. as of now.

Hi Civ
gall dang it...LAST POST

Per my previous posts (maybe it was on the green/blue? or the sun previous thread?). I am done and hanging up my boxing gloves regarding the 3rd HS UNLESS construction can be stopped while case is appealled/heard. I feel the need to look at the Dollars and Timing (call me D&T lol) and it tells me that if construction continues and a miracle is somehow pulled off down the road, we just flushed half the ref money down the toilet with nothing to show for it. I am too much of a fiscal conservative for that nonsense. To my NSFOC friends; I know, I know, the long term costs..... yes yes I know, but this is the here and now and 70 M with NOTHING to utilize for our money? It will take multiple decades to break even due to the incremental bussing and BB damages (they are not going to get everything they are asking for)

Rest easy Civ. let folks blow off a little steam for a few days. We have seen the giddiness from the "pro Eola/Anti NSFOC side" (whatever you want to call them) per the above blogs. YES ONH; I hope your Karma is kicking in from the previous thread. We are also seeing the disappointment manifsting itself from the NSFOC folks (God knows I am feeling it too, like a kick in the gut).

have a good weekend everyone!!
GF

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By Civics on May 30, 2008 4:27 PM

GF HELP! Tell me you are not staying allied with these loonies? Are you trying to talk some sense into them? More lawsuits? Is this the 'bridge building' so many of us from both sides have spoken about?

Ok just one more post, then I finish up work

Bummer, excellent poiint Metea.

However, I would like to see what the realized tax rates are for businesses on similiar acreage and compare to what MIGHT be the one time damages at BB. It makes no sense to boycott AFTER the fact (cause we will need them to sell the land and get businesses to buy it and generate tax dollars). However, a petition etc BEFORE the fact (while they have it on the current market) might prove useful. Then if they disregard, we could smite them if the damages do turn out to be minimal or drop it and welcome any/all business to the property if we have mega damages to pay. Its all within our control. Not sure if its the most productive use of our energies (yeah, I want that AC...) but it definately couldnt hurt before the case is heard and could give district some leverage in any mediation?

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By Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 2:12 PM

Poor strategy, in my humble opinion. Do not lose sight of the fact that this business/industry will genereate tax revenue that could be used to maintain/run/develop our schools (hell Greg, the first cut of the new tax $$$ can go to the A/C initiative) which serves to alleviate the burden for all of us.

We've already seen what happens when long term vision is replaced by irrational, impetuous activity.

D204 Motion To Dismiss Successful

May 30, 2008

District 204's Motion to Dismiss (MTD) the NSFOC and other Plaintiffs' complaint was honored by Judge Popejoy. As you may have heard by now, he dismissed the complaint based on NSFOC and Plaintiffs not having legal standing to bring the complaint in the first place. Obviously, we are very disappointed, but not completely surprised with the decision.

The rationale for the Judge's view is that Illinois law gives the school district and board the exclusive right to decide on the location and boundaries for a new school, regardless of what is presented or proposed to the community as part of the process of passing a referendum. In addition, the referendum language said "a location" not "Brach-Brodie", and the Judge felt that under Illinois law, the specific referendum language must prevail, excluding any other outside information provided to the public prior to the vote. Thus, there was no guaranteed location in his view.

Once that decision on the referendum wording was made, it does not matter what else the plaintiffs argued - the thousands of emails, fliers in backpacks, media interviews and public meetings promoting the decision on the location and boundaries - as they now become moot based on the Judge's initial perspective.

As NSFOC breaks down Judge Popejoy's decision, we welcome your feedback on 1) further actions - appeal, no appeal or otherwise, and 2) future direction and use of NSFOC. Please let us know your thoughts by Sunday at 6 PM. NSFOC will make a final decision on appeal next week.

THANK YOU again...for your support in the form of suggestions, feedback, volunteering and funding over the last few months. Next week we will highlight several important victories in shedding light on the questionable actions of the school board like 35,000 website uses and nearly 1000 donations; getting Midwest Gen to do the right thing in backing out of their Eola land sale to D204; exposing the 3 gas pipelines traversing the AME land, 7 secret environmental reports, that AME land was previously owned by power companies; and D204 misleading the public that the all-in Eola/AME cost is less than Brach-Brodie when the opposite is true by over $25 million - for just a few examples.

It has been a long, hard, uphill road...and we hope to continue to walk it together with you through the coming weeks, and months - with your ongoing support and blessings - as we get our school district back on track...to continue to work for the safety of all children and staff in District 204 as well as the fiscal responsibility and accountability of District 204's School Board and Administration.

Please continue to stay involved with the NSFOC organization. Although we may have lost this legal opportunity it does not mean that we are dead. We may have lost a battle but we haven't lost the war. However, we need your guidance to determine our future focus.

Sincerely,
the NSFOC

While all you NSFOC supporters are here saying you did great things and that this was the right thing to do. Yada Yada Yada

We are putting a group together, MaketheNSFOCpay.Org. The site will be up in about a week. The SB can't sue to replace the cost of defending itself because it is a public board. However, Personal tax payers can, under a class action lawsuit. If you don't agree with a small group of people wasting your tax dollars. Please sign up on our site and become part of our class action. We need 10% of the taxing body on board. All moneys collected by the class action will be donated directly back to the schools where it belongs. Send the signal people of district 204 that we will not put up with this in the future, and sign up soon.

LOL D&S!! how could you :)?
Now if I sneak a post in on the weekend on green/blue; the top dog of the Forrest household is going to put the hammer down on me :) LOL

For the Bellevue comment (she knows that yanks riles me up and she does it to "get my goat") I vote it a sniper attack on poor old GF :)

Just teasing honey! I am wrapping up a few things at work and am coming home. yes, I will stop by and pick up the milk and lightbulbs on the way home :) now, back to finishing the work loose ends.

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By D&S on May 30, 2008 1:05 PM
To Greg Forrest on May 30, 2008 11:57 AM--

I think it's a hoot that Kristen had to blog here to find you. Does she know about the other boards? Hey, Kristen, if you're reading this, Greg has also been hanging out at a place called the green and blue boards!

You're busted, GF. Better stick more to the Sun blog from now on!

;-) D&S

Thanks Arch.

So now that Metea isn't being built by White Eagle many people on the Blog are now saying they won't support a referendum that will adequately fund ALL schools. Just shows what a bunch of selfish bast**ds you really are.

To: By Never forgotten on May 30, 2008 1:39 PM
The way the school board, superintendent and the people from the northern part of the district have behaved will never be forgotten. There are still options - the school board can be flipped - even if it takes time - we will never forget and will work at this; the district can be split - the research has already been done and actions are forthcoming.
If you perpetrate an injustice - it will have repercussions. You will be hurt the same way you hurt us! Gloat for now because your comeuppance is coming - legally but just as immorally and unethically as you've done!
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Wow!!! Anger management is in order for you my friend. Comtact me personally and I'll share with you the vile and hate that has been shown towards the North as well as the South and towards kids at WVHS.

I have a suggestion for you. Move out of the IPSD. It is obvious you can't get past this issue and should never have anytihng to do with the IPSD or the SB in D204.

MR

WHAT A GREAT IDEA BOYCOTTING BB!!!

Everyone knows on these blogs how involved I am in the IPSD and attending the SB meetings.

I personally volunteer to head up the campaign to boycotting BB!!!

GF - Since you have more contact names then I do and email addresses if anyone is up for it contact GF if you have his information. GF contact me with anyone who is interested!!!

MR

By What About Us on May 30, 2008 2:56 PM
I've read several comments from NSFOC supporters that have coupled the SB with the North region of the District. It's time for you to acknowledge that there are a lot of people in the "South" who are not supporters of NSFOC. Just as you have tried to state a case that NSFOC has support throughout the district, many of your own neighbors have not supported your actions.

To Southside Sniper, a third high school was necessary three or four years ago. Next fall, you need to call a principal of NV or WV and request a tour of the school during the day - so you can see what it's like when there is a change of periods and how early/late some of our kids are eating lunch.
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I hear this arguement a lot. What is confusing is the lack of honesty. Does crowded hallways and poorly sized lunch areas translate into overcrowded classrooms and low test scores. No. It does not and will never be a good reason to build additional schools. Just walk into the classrooms at any time and check it out. Check out the high scores from all of our schools. I guess you should ask your SB to plan better around lunch facilities and hallways in our next school so your kids can walk down an uncrowded hallway and eat lunch at high noon. Great post.

To: Dr. Y? on May 30, 2008 11:27 AM

What's so funny is that even the Eola/Molitor supporters voted NO in the 2006 referendum due to the location (of course, they say there was no location implied or written today - but that just shows hipocracy of people who feel entitled to a HS in their neighborhood in the north - at whatever the costs to the rest D204).
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You should get your facts straight. The North voted yes in 2005 and 2006. In 2006 the only neighborhood in the North to vote NO was the Brookdale neighborhood.

MR

By Civics on May 30, 2008 4:27 PM
By Keep The Faith on May 30, 2008 11:52 AM

Of course we would not bring action on the SAME claim. That would be ridiculous. We are working on another angle to try and stop this misguided train and will file a different case very soon. Hopefully we can get an injunction against the SB while this moves along. The Eola site is just plain wrong for so many valid reasons. So don’t worry. The SB may have won a battle but is a long way from winning the war.

There is hope! Keep the faith!
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GF HELP! Tell me you are not staying allied with these loonies? Are you trying to talk some sense into them? More lawsuits? Is this the 'bridge building' so many of us from both sides have spoken about?

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I think they need to build a bridge back to reality. They've gone completely around the bend.

Good thing I was not holding my breath for sime big rapprochement. . . .

To NSFOC.... http://youtube.com/watch?v=r86fKe8U6X4

Only 17% of the population of district 204 lives in the North - who ramrodded this through.

Most people in the district will forget with the passage of time how ugly the North was in their behavior - calling others names etc.

Except, the people that have been hurt by this will not forget. The people that have been hurt by this live in a growing area which is the majority of the district.
Look at how much each school board member won by. We have the votes. We will change things and we will hurt you the same way you have hurt us.

You have reason to be afraid of what will happen now that you have stirred the hornets nest! We will do it legally, but just as immorally and unethically as you did!

Please dismiss this and please do forget, because we won't!

"Lighten up Francis" (Sniper + By Never, et al...). Does calling down everything but the Apocalypse on those whom you feel wronged you make you feel any better? By the way, I hope "our" girls soccer team wins tonight against Main.

To: By D&S on May 30, 2008 10:36 AM

Of course, the anti-NSFOCers are still so freaked out they can't acknowledge this and probably never will, but given what I heard from some of them at school board meetings and what I've seen posted here, I didn't expect any better.

I do expect there to be a lot of board turnover in 2009 and 2011 and a lot more interested residents from now on. I think there are lessons here we can all take with us to keep this from ever happening again. Let's just hope that folks calm down enough to pay attention to them.

Cheers--D&S
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D$S,

I'll let you make up your own mind on youself, Sinper? Maybe you shouldn't stereotype I don't think you've heard a negative word from any of the regulars on this blog that support the Eola site. Take a look at any of my posts. To judge one group you should be expected not to be judged yourself. I've also heard some very disgusting things from those in the southern part of the district but I have never brought it up until now.

Sadly D&S, I doubt turnout will improve at the SB meetings unless it is for their own self interests. Like I mentioned there were 2 people on Tuesday. If people turn out great I would like that they might learn what our school board does 90% of the time, and it isn't regarding the 3rd HS Issue.

MR

By Keep The Faith on May 30, 2008 11:52 AM

Of course we would not bring action on the SAME claim. That would be ridiculous. We are working on another angle to try and stop this misguided train and will file a different case very soon. Hopefully we can get an injunction against the SB while this moves along. The Eola site is just plain wrong for so many valid reasons. So don’t worry. The SB may have won a battle but is a long way from winning the war.

There is hope! Keep the faith!
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GF HELP! Tell me you are not staying allied with these loonies? Are you trying to talk some sense into them? More lawsuits? Is this the 'bridge building' so many of us from both sides have spoken about?

To D&S-- (this is long winded and I'm sorry)

I live in the Watts area. Most of my children are slated to go to that school. Many peer-parents of my youngest child@Watts are very concerned with the pipelines but since HS is far off for most of them, it's not an immediate issue (6 years out for them). Others in my area who have older kids who were slated to be in the first graduating class there, like one of mine is, opted to remove their children from the system entirely for the upcoming HS years. Their call and I can only say Good for them for doing what they felt they had to do but I'm also sorry that they felt they had to even make that choice to begin with.

I tried to open up a dialog with the District Administration and School Board in early/mid January before the MWGEN/AME land was officially 'announced' after I heard through back-channels that it was actually being considered. I shared with them site-safety concerns with the peaker plant, its history, powerlines, their perception of problems, the pipelines and even offered to work with them in finding out more information about these and how to best mitigate or even just not consider the site in general. I explained back then to them my concern of the huge 'sue me' target that site would paint on the district from many angles and as a decade resident with another decade to go in the district that I thought moving forward there would be a bad idea both from a financial standpoint and a safety standpoint. Quips from our School Board president were not appreciated, but were expected and that eventually turned into just plain ignoring and tuning me out.

Here we are today. The same concerns I had then and shared with them are known to everyone now and we still don't know the complete financial impact it will be with us in the district. The safety issues also remain. I talked to a few NSFOC members in person and while we did have some overlapping concerns I didn't really get onboard with the angle this suit took and therefore never registered nor donated. They obviously used the fruits of my data finding efforts and I was fine with that because it was information that needed to be made public in hopes that the District could/would use that to help them make a safe and sound land decision regarding the 3rd HS. I never got the opportunity to attend any of the NSFOC meetings but the few people I did meet with and talk to separately were nothing but professional and cordial and genuinely concerned about the impact the BB lawsuit(s) and any future safety related lawsuits might or will have on the district (and by default, our wallets). We agreed to disagree on the voting rights issues because I stated then that the District would play the "See, we tried everything we could, therefore no Bait and Switch" angle. Popejoy never let it even get to that point, falling back on the statute placing authority for any and all decisions regarding site selection with the Board, and I respect that.

Now, if Watts was not slated to go there, I would still have my concerns about the site forever but I'll admit it would be easier to 'back off' the concern knowing that it's no longer my problem (except from a financial one when the lawsuit awards hit us). That may sound 'bad' but it's the truth. Many feel there's nothing to be concerned about and that's their call; but right now with the boundaries where they are sending my kids there, it has my full attention. I am also aware that even is Watts was sent back to WVHS (my personal preferred choice) that they could be sent to MV at any point in the future thanks to Popejoy's explicit clarification yesterday.

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By Never forgotten on May 30, 2008 1:39 PM
The way the school board, superintendent and the people from the northern part of the district have behaved will never be forgotten. There are still options - the school board can be flipped - even if it takes time - we will never forget and will work at this; the district can be split - the research has already been done and actions are forthcoming.
If you perpetrate an injustice - it will have repercussions. You will be hurt the same way you hurt us! Gloat for now because your comeuppance is coming - legally but just as immorally and unethically as you've done!

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You Sir have obviously not read Judge Popejoy's ruling. If you did, you would concur with the rest of the NSFOC supporters that there was no injustice done -- NONE WHATSOEVER. If you dont understand or believe in the Illinois code of law, or legal processes in general, move to some other state or fascist country.

We need to put an end to this non-sense and move on. Trouble-makers like you have caused a lot of trouble already. If any more of this nonsense perpetrates, the rest of us will band together and sue NSFOC and its supporters for losses incurred in fighting this frivolous lawsuit. Put up or shut up. Enough is enough.

By Southside Sniper on May 30, 2008 2:21 PM

Your comments are really ugly. And I would hazard a guess that you are implying trying to change the boundaries again after the board is voted out. Yeah, that would really help bring the community back together. And keep in mind that we really dont know for sure where the majority is at on all this, so any hate you fling at others may end up coming right back atcha!
And as for the sports and Arts, I am just glad that MANY more of our kids will be able to participate in these activities. As you well know, losing is also a lesson we must all learn sooner or later.

"By Never forgotten on May 30, 2008 1:39 PM
The way the school board, superintendent and the people from the northern part of the district have behaved will never be forgotten. There are still options - the school board can be flipped - even if it takes time - we will never forget and will work at this; the district can be split - the research has already been done and actions are forthcoming.
If you perpetrate an injustice - it will have repercussions. You will be hurt the same way you hurt us! Gloat for now because your comeuppance is coming - legally but just as immorally and unethically as you've done!"

NOW THAT'S THE SPIRIT!! :)

To Arch on May 30, 2008 1:55 PM

Re your post:

"ACV's just off both sides of the property (north and south) along with a beefed up or complete replacement of pipes would be, I believe, the best safety thing we can do since it looks like now the school will move forward at that location."
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Just out of curiosity, Arch, are there any folks whose children will be attending Metea who are concerned about the pipe issue, or is it still mostly people from outside the Metea catchment area?

If there are, they never made a peep before the SB closed on the Metea land. I do believe they feared the SB would change their minds and move Metea elsewhere if they did anything but show total support. But now that it's moving ahead, I'm wondering if they're feeling safer about speaking out now, or if they truly don't care about it.

I guess I'm thinking that there's just so much you can do to save people from themselves. At some point you just have to let folks live with the consequences of their own decisions. I understand you have had a personal experience with this type of thing that drives you, and while an incident would be catastrophic, the possibility of it actually happening is pretty miniscule. And I doubt the SB is going to do anything that will slow down construction or cost more money, even if it is related to safety. So unless you have children who will be attending Metea, shouldn't the responsibility for this be handed over to the people who have insisted on accepting the risk? And if they don't care about it, why bother?

Thanks, D&S

Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 2:12 PM

Good point, I can't disagree. I suppose I am just frustrated and looking for some way to re-direct the emotion for everyone. While the NSFOC case was dismissed, I think the real $$$ will be the pending BB case. I'm just trying to make life a little more difficult for the BB trust.

as an aside: The only problem with a boycott is that when the BB land is finally developed it will just be my luck to have all of my favorite stores & restaurants at it!!!

Sniper

No. you made your school, now lie in it. Good luck with your bare bones school with no operating budget, since the next referendum will not pass.
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Don't be so short sighted. The referendum for operating dollars was going to take place regardless of the placement of the 3rd HS, the kids should not be punished.

Secondly, I don't know that the referendum will call specifically for funds toward Metea, rather it should call for funds to be used toward the district as a whole. Again, the kids should not be punished.

I've read several comments from NSFOC supporters that have coupled the SB with the North region of the District. It's time for you to acknowledge that there are a lot of people in the "South" who are not supporters of NSFOC. Just as you have tried to state a case that NSFOC has support throughout the district, many of your own neighbors have not supported your actions.

To Southside Sniper, a third high school was necessary three or four years ago. Next fall, you need to call a principal of NV or WV and request a tour of the school during the day - so you can see what it's like when there is a change of periods and how early/late some of our kids are eating lunch.

Hey Southside sniper and everyone who thinks not passing additional referendums will only hurt Metea, get a clue. Resources will be split between all 3 schools. If 1 suffers from lack of financing, they all do. If Tall Grass and NSFOC supporters really believe that they will punish the kids at Metea, you will only punish your own kids in the process. But hey, this was never about the kids. This was about your property values. Good luck with that.

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By Southside Sniper on May 30, 2008 2:21 PM
To one who wrote as "Tallgrass Snobs" (aka yee who live in Brookdale):

I wouldn't usually get nasty, but obviously you deserve it.

No. you made your school, now lie in it. Good luck with your bare bones school with no operating budget, since the next referendum will not pass. Soon everyone will see the third school was not needed and that the overall cost of it will far exceed what it took to return to building at BB (AS PROMISED).

P.S. Your kids may be playing in sports and performing in the arts at Electric High, but Neuqua and Waubonsie will be kicking their butts in all that they do. Have fun at your new school!

To Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 2:12 PM

. . . Do not lose sight of the fact that this business/industry will genereate tax revenue that could be used to maintain/run/develop our schools (hell Greg, the first cut of the new tax $$$ can go to the A/C initiative) which serves to alleviate the burden for all of us.
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Excellent point. Bummer.

By Never forgotten on May 30, 2008 1:39 PM
The way the school board, superintendent and the people from the northern part of the district have behaved will never be forgotten. There are still options - the school board can be flipped - even if it takes time - we will never forget and will work at this; the district can be split - the research has already been done and actions are forthcoming.
If you perpetrate an injustice - it will have repercussions. You will be hurt the same way you hurt us! Gloat for now because your comeuppance is coming - legally but just as immorally and unethically as you've done!

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what a moronic post. Another NSFOC scare tactic? If the entitled elitists from Tall Grass want to split from the district, that would require that they either start thier own district or join with another district. By law, if they start thier own district, that have to build thier own school buildings within a short period of time. To try and take NVHS with them, would require a vote from the entire district 204 - and that will never happen. I just can't wait to see how 1 subdivision will try to fund an entire school district - good luck with that.

There was no injustice. No evidence of bait and switch. The school district spent a great deal of time and money trying to satisfy the Tall Grass homeowners and in the end found it a better option to build at a different site. The northern part of the school district did not behave badly. We did not harrass coporations in the district. Did not pester people with misleading flyers as they shopped our stores. Did not sue our neighbors.

If you want to pout like a preschooler, go to your room and pout.

Thank you NSFOC for exposing the SB for what they really are, just a bunch of self-serving people who are NOT looking out for the District as a whole but only for their neighborhoods. I’m sure if any of the SB members lived in areas with under-performing ES something would be done to improve those schools.

Year after year several of our ES have been under-performing and instead of focusing on improving the scores for these schools the SB has decided to sweep these kids under the rug when they get to HS (specifically WV) by moving higher performing ES with lower performing EM so as to make WV appear academically balanced. What happened to those students who were under-performing, those who cannot read at a HS level but expected to do HS work, are they now performing better because the HS they attend is now academically balanced? Is this the SB idea of educating all students in the district?

With the completion of the new HS, 3 under-performing elementary schools would attend WV making it next to impossible for WV to be a top ranking school, and for this reason I hope that NSFOC would not be dissolved, I would like to see NSFOC focus on all under-performing ES by putting some pressure on the SB and Admin to truly educate these kids because the SB members are too focus on their own neighborhoods to do anything about it, and if they have, why are the schools still under-performing?

Those who feel entitled to anything they want are unlikely to quit, in spite of what is best for the larger community, as we have seen in the presidential campaign. Probably the real determinor of whether this litigation continues is whether Collins can talk his clients into ponying up more money to pay him to file an appeal. We know Collins can talk, and we know the NSFOC members hear what they want to hear, so what do you all think will happen?

To one who wrote as "Tallgrass Snobs" (aka yee who live in Brookdale):

I wouldn't usually get nasty, but obviously you deserve it.

No. you made your school, now lie in it. Good luck with your bare bones school with no operating budget, since the next referendum will not pass. Soon everyone will see the third school was not needed and that the overall cost of it will far exceed what it took to return to building at BB (AS PROMISED).

P.S. Your kids may be playing in sports and performing in the arts at Electric High, but Neuqua and Waubonsie will be kicking their butts in all that they do. Have fun at your new school!

I know the BB trust are lawyers, financiers, venture capitalists, etc. who will probably not be swayed by us. The real battle and fight will be to let any future tenants know that we object to this location.

Again, it may not work or be truly effective, but I will go on record and say that if the BB trust receives punitive damages then I will not frequent any business who decides to operate out of that location.
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Poor strategy, in my humble opinion. Do not lose sight of the fact that this business/industry will genereate tax revenue that could be used to maintain/run/develop our schools (hell Greg, the first cut of the new tax $$$ can go to the A/C initiative) which serves to alleviate the burden for all of us.

We've already seen what happens when long term vision is replaced by irrational, impetuous activity.

Any chance we can change the focus of the green and blue boards to boycotting BB. It really seems like the sanest idea I have heard and I really do think we could all agree on it (maybe the Sun could report that some parents have been discussing this and then put it in a pot luck). I think that A/C could get divisive and I would love to see us do something proactive as a group to help our district.
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I'll let you know after you answer why boycotting BB now is sane whereas it was never considered as a means of bringing down the asking price to build Metea. Remember had Metea been built @ 75th & Commons, the land near 75th & Rte. 59 was still slated for retail.

To "I am a mom too"--

{Any chance we can change the focus of the green and blue boards to boycotting BB.}

Short answer about Blue board: No. I won't... but read on.

Rationale: I don't believe this will be a big help our district and I'm not personally going to change the focus of a message board for this purpose.

That being said, all are more than welcome to start this on Blue and I will create the appropriate sections and categories for this if you want and will give you a home for this on Blue. I will not personally spearhead it. If you or anyone else wants to, that's fine.

My personal focus, since it is perfectly clear that the district is going to press on at Eola is to help do everything I can to mitigate further the lingering safety issues that will forever be at that site. I understand that many dismiss my concern for the pipelines and I am OK with that. Until one has had an experience with a child where something that shouldn't ever seem like a problem due to such a minuscule amount of probability that you'd never think about the danger actually causes a severe injury in the blink of an eye, I really don't expect anyone else to relate. After said incident there was an industry wide redesign of something most people use everyday at work and some states even passed laws about requiring the devices (New York was one of them). My child was lucky and made a full recovery 11 years ago and you can not tell it ever happened. My efforts will be more focused on helping to find ways to minimize the chances of other remote probability catastrophic incidents from being allowed to occur in the first place.

ACV's just off both sides of the property (north and south) along with a beefed up or complete replacement of pipes would be, I believe, the best safety thing we can do since it looks like now the school will move forward at that location.

If anyone else wants to help with those efforts, I would appreciate it for all of the kids not just now, but also 50+ years from now. If not, that's fine too.

The way the school board, superintendent and the people from the northern part of the district have behaved will never be forgotten. There are still options - the school board can be flipped - even if it takes time - we will never forget and will work at this; the district can be split - the research has already been done and actions are forthcoming.
If you perpetrate an injustice - it will have repercussions. You will be hurt the same way you hurt us! Gloat for now because your comeuppance is coming - legally but just as immorally and unethically as you've done!

Hi all, I'm not much of a group organizer, and while I may be the first to post on this idea, it is not my original thought. I can't say I agree very often with Jesse Jackson, but he seems to boycott anything he finds unfair, and it seems to at least get people's attention. One poster asked why I didn't think of it any sooner? I have no idea, it just came to me while reading the blogs this morning.

Let's not forget that the BB trust won their suit against D204 when the jury ruled on the cost per acre, so I begrudgingly see where they are "owed" something, (For this aspect I will continue to blame our SB). What I object to would be the fees that BB demands over and above their costs which I view as more punitive than actual. This would be the amount that all of our taxes would have to cover.

I know the BB trust are lawyers, financiers, venture capitalists, etc. who will probably not be swayed by us. The real battle and fight will be to let any future tenants know that we object to this location.

Again, it may not work or be truly effective, but I will go on record and say that if the BB trust receives punitive damages then I will not frequent any business who decides to operate out of that location.

I was just wondering if nsfoc will continue to accept donations and commit their energies toward the numerous safety issues in regards to the new site.Safety for the kids.

NSFOC....You made your kids bed, now they have to sleep in it.

To Greg Forrest on May 30, 2008 11:57 AM--

I think it's a hoot that Kristen had to blog here to find you. Does she know about the other boards? Hey, Kristen, if you're reading this, Greg has also been hanging out at a place called the green and blue boards!

You're busted, GF. Better stick more to the Sun blog from now on!

;-) D&S

Greg, Arch, and others who go both places:

Any chance we can change the focus of the green and blue boards to boycotting BB. It really seems like the sanest idea I have heard and I really do think we could all agree on it (maybe the Sun could report that some parents have been discussing this and then put it in a pot luck). I think that A/C could get divisive and I would love to see us do something proactive as a group to help our district.

And one Pollyanna moment--Hugs to all who have participated and care deeply enough to be passionate, thoughtful and polite. And hugs to all our kids!

Ironically,I never had a problem with nsfoc questioning and drawing attention to our SB and its decisions. Where I think they went very wrong, was when they used the third high school as "ransom" to get their way.Build where we want it or don't build at all. I think this was just plain dumb on their part.This is what exposed them for who and what they really are.

By Anonymous on May 29, 2008 10:04 PM--

Finally - someone who is willing to stand up (very strongly I must admit) for what's right! I have so much respect for Judge Popejoy - not only for his verdict, but for his rightfully strong findings of the NSFOC and their tactics. The NSFOC has only brought turmoil into our well respected community. Their lies and outright selfishness are shameful and should be an example for everyone to live life with a strong moral compass.

By Anonymous on May 30, 2008 11:40 AM
To D&S
I will stay high up on my moral horse as that is they way I choose to live - by treating people of all backgrounds with respect (other than those who try and stomp on others - like the NSFOC). We always knew the boundaries would not possibly but most probably change and whatever the outcome - we knew it was up to the school board to do so and would NEVER sue to have things go the way I wanted.
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Yes, I can see your "respect" for others oozing out of your first post. You think you're on a moral horse, you're really on the same denial train as the SB. Do us a favor. Stay on it and enjoy the ride.

Just glad the Judge saw the same thing we all saw in the nsfoc."Back door" tactics. Seriously.You severely overestimated yourselves and underestimated the rest of us.There is always a lesson to be learned.

me me me; I want to answer #2. LOL

1. BB lawsuits
2. AC
3. future operating referendum
4. SB

will be my Big 4 to blog about. Plenty of topics too much material really. The question should be what are we going to do about the stuff we care about?

I like the idea of getting some kind of plan together for BB issues and where we might be able to help. It might be a tad too early for most folks (and there is plenty of time), but there are two groups with existing infrastructure (websites, contact lists) in place that would make organization a snap. Gulp!

have a good weekend all
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By Simo Haya on May 30, 2008 9:09 AM
The NSFOC train has derailed. The earth movers are working.
Will GF need to find a new cause to blog about?
will D&S ever be able to close out the sniper list?
Will Metea Either Way get the right sized first aid kit?
Will Roger Waters drown in his own bitterness about the dismissal?
Has Save the Earth left the planet?
Will Leupold and Barrett help hit the mark again?

Stay tuned next time for further adventures in Blogville

I'm not willing to praise NSFOC for anything. They had the opportunity to speak at SB meetings. The SB (that we elected in a democratic process) listened, but chose not to follow their desires in the setting of school boundaries. So, a group of parents found a willing lawyer. And even though he would later say the case was not winnable, he filed suit against the SB. This caused areas of the district to choose sides and a lot of nasty rhetoric resulted. Should we be happy about this? No. At this time of year, we should be celebrating our graduates. Instead, too much focus has been on Judge Popejoy. How much resources have the Sun dedicated to this story. I haven't been to a school meeting where this topic doesn't come up. Let's build the new school, ease the overcrowding. And, if you don't think the schools are overcrowded or you think that's a temporary situation, visit NVHS or WVHS.

By I am a mom too on May 30, 2008 10:52 AM
D & S,

I didn't write this it was written to me/about me because I got angry about all the nastiness being written to and about him. The only part written by me is that he was honest and honorable! It freaked me out enough that I asked the editors to pull it, but they haven't chosen to do so.
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By D&S on May 29, 2008 10:51 PM
By to I am a mom too on May 29, 2008 9:33 PM

...honest and honorable...

I hope you are GF's spouse if not, well, let's say maybe you need some attention.
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To Mom: I know you didn't write that. My "nasty" post was directed to the one who hijacked your moniker and posted it. That's the first time I've ever heard the words "honest and honorable" made to sound dirty. But considering the source, we shouldn't be surprised.

By the way, I'm liking the boycott idea. I have always thought the BB lawsuits were the real threats to our district, not the NSFOC. Let's get more feedback and see if others think it would be worth a go.

D&S

Hi Mom

Count me in!!

No the boss (Kristin Forrest) was not posting about you, she knows I have been takin a pounding by a few folks and she thought someone as trying to attack me by saying I am not paying enough attention to my wife. She was just settin the record straight and trying to defend me a little.

WELCOME TO THE BLOGS!! to the boss of the Forrest Household: K Forrest. ok I promise no more blogging on the weekends.

Allthough, the Bellevue SD comment is a low blow aimed at me as she knows I never got the opportunity to attend those any of those schools (mine SD was horrible and my school is probably ranked 12,999 out of 13,000).

maybe a boycott and a petition would be a great way to scare off ANY potential buyers of their land if they (BB) dont back off and maybe just settle for their legal fees? From a business standpoint, if you loose thousands of potential customers before you even break ground...well that would make be pause. And if BB can never sell their land, it becomes an illiquid asset which is more of a liability (upkeep/taxes) than an asset.

I will have a cornary if we end up paying BB any more than their legal fees (given the long and bloody history. SOmeonne will have to pick be up and take me to Edwards.

have a good weekend all!! (I promise KF, no blogging from me on the weekends! however, today is not the weekend!! LOL)
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By I am a mom too on May 30, 2008 11:18 AM
Boycott--
You are brilliant (careful, someone may ask if I'm your spouse next). And if we are all working together to boycott the BB land, might that not help us heal? I wonder if school board members read this. Can they legally call for a boycott? Maybe we could all be on the same side again--the side of our kids! Maybe Linda Holmes can redeem herself and talk Naperville city council into permanently zoning it for farmland.

What about it? GF (and Kristin--nice to meet you and sorry I said nice things about your hubby, won't do that again), MR, MH, Metea, D&S, Incredulous, Civics--I'm in if you are. Hey, if we can't get the parents to do it, what about enlisting those kids from WVHS with the shirts? They seem like go-getters!

To mom & BY:

Excerpt from Thanks NSFOC post and furthering my point of the WV T-shirt article.

I am ashamed though at my fellow district 204 neighbors who instead of debating facts created tension by bashing neighborhoods, threatening to not welcome innocent children into Waubonsie and acusing neighbors of being racist, elitist, etc. These actions really taught me that this community is not what I thought it once was.

I am amazed that the nsfoc web site has not been updated in the last day reporting the recent ruling. All other bits of news were posted immediatly in the past. I stll see that they are asking for donations though. hmmm....

“For those considering an appeal . . . .

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.”

Of course we would not bring action on the SAME claim. That would be ridiculous. We are working on another angle to try and stop this misguided train and will file a different case very soon. Hopefully we can get an injunction against the SB while this moves along. The Eola site is just plain wrong for so many valid reasons. So don’t worry. The SB may have won a battle but is a long way from winning the war. With any luck we can drag this thing out as long as the dumb Dems have!

There is hope! Keep the faith!

To Happy in the North:

Don't misunderstand, I too think that it is pretty close to being over (slim just walked out the door) but rendering the order appeallable (perhaps this is standard course, I don't know) leaves this issue with a pulse. This was my only point.
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To mom & By:

Read in context to the response to troublemaker. It is equally possible that some of these students were influenced by parents who stomped, pouted, etc. about those "entitled kids from TG/WE who feel its beneath them to attend WVHS", thus the sentiment underlying the effort. Point being, while a noble cause by the students, who's to say that if these parents took the time to dispel the entitlement myth that these shirts are even printed.

By MR on May 29, 2008 10:20 PM
While I am glad the NSFOC complaint was dismissed it is still personally a bittersweet victory for myself and (I think I can speak for them) most of my neighbors in a North Subdivision.
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Don't count me in your list of neighbors. This is an unhappy day in my view, for my family and WVHS. You will only know why over time. I pray for the best and safe outcomes for all people however.

To D&S
I will stay high up on my moral horse as that is they way I choose to live - by treating people of all backgrounds with respect (other than those who try and stomp on others - like the NSFOC). We always knew the boundaries would not possibly but most probably change and whatever the outcome - we knew it was up to the school board to do so and would NEVER sue to have things go the way I wanted.

phil

from one musician to another

a lawsuit about a decision making technicality is not taking the gloves off

they argued an ify point at best that was admitted to be an ify point from the beginning

do not give people more resolve

let it go

Bringing over from other strand...

By Hey Dr Y on May 29, 2008 4:41 PM
Hey Dr. Y: I think the English language version of Judge Popejoy's ruling was directed at you: Suck on it.
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Oh such a comeback...I feel so bad and violated...I want to curl up in the fetal position with my little blankey...NOT. This gross behavior shows the NSFOC's opposition's colors very clearly to all readers of the blogs. Note it people for the future.

The decision appears to be a bit sloppy and shows predisposition of the judge in my view only (more later). He represented his contituents and judicial traditions well. He also showed his weaknesses. Once you rule narrowly as he did on the referendum words, every other argument falls away. One would have hoped that he would not have taken the Mary Hunt email to heart, and that he would have not considered D204's rationale for making the switch as valid based on "facts (?) and circumstances (?)" when it was not (costs the district up to $50M+ more by some estimates), but excluded all facts and circumstances of the plaintiffs.

The decision raises questions for all referendums in the future in Illinois. So thousands of emails, meetings, fliers, etc. mean NOTHING people, so therefore, you must vote NO on any and all future referenda, because you cannot believe what you are told or in what is written. I am sure the SB's and Bond Brokers are celebrating everywhere - not just in D204. How many billions will this cost taxpayers in the ethically challenged State of Illinois?

What's so funny is that even the Eola/Molitor supporters voted NO in the 2006 referendum due to the location (of course, they say there was no location implied or written today - but that just shows hipocracy of people who feel entitled to a HS in their neighborhood in the north - at whatever the costs to the rest D204).

If there is going to be an appeal, (and please note that D204 assured us in advance that they would appeal, so don't blame the NSFOC supporters if they decide to appeal), then I would suggest clarifying the injury a little better, and the judges oversights (if allowed), or bring a new lawsuit.

There are citizens unhappy with the direction of the district and the passiveness of the NSFOC who would like to "bring a hammer" to the matter - in legal terms of course. Let's see if they emerge.

Boycott--
You are brilliant (careful, someone may ask if I'm your spouse next). And if we are all working together to boycott the BB land, might that not help us heal? I wonder if school board members read this. Can they legally call for a boycott? Maybe we could all be on the same side again--the side of our kids! Maybe Linda Holmes can redeem herself and talk Naperville city council into permanently zoning it for farmland.

What about it? GF (and Kristin--nice to meet you and sorry I said nice things about your hubby, won't do that again), MR, MH, Metea, D&S, Incredulous, Civics--I'm in if you are. Hey, if we can't get the parents to do it, what about enlisting those kids from WVHS with the shirts? They seem like go-getters!
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By BB trust boycott? on May 30, 2008 9:38 AM
Ok, so everyone seems to be focusing attention on the next lawsuits brought by the BB trust. When the original Eola / Molitor site was being discussed there was an effort made to contact Midwest Gen in opposition to this site. It appeared to have worked because Midwest Gen backed out of their deal.

What if we as a group use the same tactic and approach the BB trust. We could let them know that if their lawsuit proceeds and ends up costing us millions in additional payments that we will not support the eventual business residents or development, i.e. boycott the location?

Unless someone actually wants to see BB win the lawsuits I don't see what the harm would be in organizing and threatening a boycot? After all, fair is fair, aren't they the one's suing us?

By Civics on May 30, 2008 8:44 AM --

You mean I can't gloat? Even just a LITTLE?!!???!!???

No? Ok. So be it.

The great thing about the regulars on this board is that even though we disagreed vehemently about many things, (and agreed vehemently on many others) and it occasionally got snotty, the dialog was good and the debate fair and lively.

I for one would be happy to work with any of Greg, Metea, D+S, Perspective, MR, KK, SSS, a couple of 'Mom' variants (and a few others I am sure I am forgetting) on issues related to the schools.

Our issues are not over. There is still a tight construction timeline to meet, lawsuits to fight, and more 'complications' around the next turn. So I will, with others on this board, be happy to erect a 'big tent' from which to fight the next battles.

But in case it doesnt work out that way....D+S, may I suggest you keep the snipers list active? ;-)
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Oh, go ahead. You can have a little gloat, as long as it's in good taste. Here, I'll do one for you. "Told you so! Neener! Neener!" OK?

Our issues definitely are not over, but I think we can agree more on the BB lawsuits. What do you think about BB Trust Boycott's idea. Couldn't hurt. Why not?

I definitely plan on keeping the sniper list going. In fact, they're coming out of the woodwork as we speak. Geesh! Will those anit-NSFOCers ever behave?

TTYL--D&S

Thanks NSFOC on May 29, 2008 9:21 PM
Although the judge's opinion was disappointing the NSFOC had their day in court. I am personally amazed at the grass roots effort put forth by this group to address issues they were passionate about and willing to band together to address. This passion displayed by this group is something we need more of not less of in 204. Parents must be involved in the education system and irregardless of our opinions around issues we need to respect that we will not all agree.

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Very Well spoken. We now need to remove the school board especially Mark Metzger and get people in there that aren't self-serving and look to heal this district.

Metea, I'm not sure we read the same article. I read one in which kids said they are proud of their school and all are welcome there. To me that would show parents who have taught them to be welcoming of new people and proud of themselves. Isn't that the message we all try to send to our kids?
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By Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 9:02 AM
Its common on both sides, as it seems the parents of the children mentioned in this article demonstrated the same behavior when teaching them that this issue was about "the entitled kids that don't want to go to school with you."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/978305,6_1_NA30_PRIDE_S1.article

Thank you NSFOC for a great job! We were finally heard. Yeah we knew it was a long shot but we stood up against a disgraceful school board and had a short win but you got everyone's attention.

Popejoy was not happy with the school board and even stated it in court. So at least we had our say and there were things brought to light that others did not believe and learned first hand in court.

You may have lost but now we all see that the school board is a horrible group that needs to be removed from office and people who are good fro the ENTIRE district need to be put in place. It is time to get out and vote and get Mark Metzger and the rest of the lunatics off the board.

My hat is off to you NSFPC and thank you for standing up when no one would listen.

D & S,

I didn't write this it was written to me/about me because I got angry about all the nastiness being written to and about him. The only part written by me is that he was honest and honorable! It freaked me out enough that I asked the editors to pull it, but they haven't chosen to do so.
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By D&S on May 29, 2008 10:51 PM
By to I am a mom too on May 29, 2008 9:33 PM

...honest and honorable...

I hope you are GF's spouse if not, well, let's say maybe you need some attention.
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This post is just plain nasty. I didn't think it possible, but you have hit a new low. Congratulations, you are now officially in the gutter.

By Thanks NSFOC on May 29, 2008 9:21 PM--

Although the judge's opinion was disappointing the NSFOC had their day in court. I am personally amazed at the grass roots effort put forth by this group to address issues they were passionate about and willing to band together to address. This passion displayed by this group is something we need more of not less of in 204. Parents must be involved in the education system and irregardless of our opinions around issues we need to respect that we will not all agree.

I am ashamed though at my fellow district 204 neighbors who instead of debating facts created tension by bashing neighborhoods, threatening to not welcome innocent children into Waubonsie and acusing neighbors of being racist, elitist, etc. These actions really taught me that this community is not what I thought it once was.

Its hard to tell from blogs who made these statements but you know who you are and its a real embarassment to call you neighbors.

I remain concerned about the direction of our Superintendant and School board and so the other lesson learned is how critically important these SB elections are and what damage can be done by not having the right people in these positions. Hopefully we will all carefully chose the successors of the current board members when their seats open in 2009. Afterall, these board members also chose the Superintendant who is IMO a major disappointment. We have a great district and could have done a whole lot better in selecting the leader of the district. What we needed was someone who could unify the district not isolate parents so he could advance his own agenda. It sounds like he is on a limited contract though so lets prepare ourselves to appoint new SB leaders who in turn will appoint the next superintendant. These leaders must be open to working with parents and I firmly believe if the board and superintendant had treated ALL parents with respect our district would not be torn, the NSFOC would never have been created and we could have saved alot of time aggrevation and money.

We need to move on. Its clear the district, Superintendant and SB have little interest in being the catalyst in this process. The community needs to pull together despite the current board and superintendant. They are short term barriers but we are here for the long haul and need to rebuild the community and focus on whats best for all of our kids.
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Thanks, Thanks NSFOC, for an intelligent post. Even though I'm hearing the NSFOC can appeal to a higher court, I think it's time to move on. It was a great effort, though, and had a positive consequence for Metea--getting it off the MWGen land. Of course, the anti-NSFOCers are still so freaked out they can't acknowledge this and probably never will, but given what I heard from some of them at school board meetings and what I've seen posted here, I didn't expect any better.

On the other hand, I'm proud of how the NSFOC leadership conducted themselves throughout this whole process. Throughout all the name calling, mud-slinging and personal attacks, they never lowered themselves to acknowledge it much less retaliate. The NSFOC leaders were the epitome of dignity under pressure, a concept that folks such as Lisa Churchhill and Company and other rabid anti-NSFOCers have obviously never heard of. I do think that in their zeal to tarnish the NSFOC, many in the north succeeded only in tarnishing themselves, and this was an embarrassment for the entire district. I'm still proud to say I'm a southsider.

I do expect there to be a lot of board turnover in 2009 and 2011 and a lot more interested residents from now on. I think there are lessons here we can all take with us to keep this from ever happening again. Let's just hope that folks calm down enough to pay attention to them.

Cheers--D&S

Bingo. Take a page out of Jesse Jackson's book of strategies vs. big business and bureaucracy. BB boycott.....someone else was reading my mind. I suggested this months ago to a friend/neighbor. So let's get it started right here and now. While the BB lawyers "schooled" our SB lawyers in a true shark and shark-bait contest, it doesn't make it right to continue sticking it to the taxpayers that may eventually support their development.

Indeed, so it shall be said, so it shall be written; if the BB estate lawyers stick it to us in court, again, we will stick it to them by boycotting any store, any doctor's office, any real estate office, health spa, Starbuck's or whatever y'all build there. If you're a business looking for space, there's plenty of other empty commercial condos for lease up and down Rt. 59...I strongly suggest you look elsewhere.

Pass the word....

By Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 9:02 AM

I am having a hard time seeing this Waubonsie article from the point of view you are seeing. I see a bunch of kids who dont understand why a bunch of adults are arguing about which HS their kids will go to. And having heard the MANY disparaging comments about WVHS they have decided to tell the world that they love WVHS, and why doesnt everyone else. Its a really great message. The things you read into it are mean spirited and wrong.

And on the post by By BB trust boycott? on May 30, 2008 9:38 AM

I have dealt with the BB trust groups in the past and they are controlled by lawyers. As a result, these law firms get paid by filing more lawsuits. Previously they fought to keep Costco out. They sued Aero Estates because they felt their flight path reduced their property value! Crazy stuff really. So I dont belive they will ever follow any sort of reason, or fear repurcusions.

By Metea Either Way on May 30, 2008 8:58 AM
By Happy in the North on May 30, 2008 8:09 AM
Wow, the judge really put them in their place. NSFOC can't even appeal this!

Now, perhaps they will join the rest of the southern section of D204 (the majority) and embrace their new boundaries/schools
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You might want to read the hand written comments at the end....specifically where Poejoy states that thsi is a final and appeallable order. Its close but it may not be over yet....

They were rightly "Dismissed with Prejudice". In order to propose an appeal, they would have to prove that Judge Popejoys opinion was wrong, providing new factual evidence.

It's over dude. Big time.

Civics,
You were correct on almost every point with regard to the lawsuit. I would have liked the judge to at least acknowledge some break down in the whole 2nd referendum process, but it was not to be. I was no fan of the nsfoc and do clearly stand with the board an adm. on almost all aspects of the mgt. of our district. But and this is a big But, the bb situation was a rough situation.

It was a pleasure blogging back and forth with you, gf, the moms, the rock and roll guys, mr, arch and the many others.

By Anonymous on May 30, 2008 9:30 AM
To: By Incredulous on May 29, 2008 11:57 PM
As always, great post - well said.

It is amazing to me what the SB has tried to do; their lies, the fliers they handed out to our children at school, their behavior at every turn. Now they are acting like what they did was granted by virtue of their position - accusing the pro-BB supporters of lies and deceit, when that was in fact, the basis of their entire strategy - scare tactics (split shifts), lies (we have sufficient funds to purchase BB), propaganda (fliers stuffed in students backpacks @ school).
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As posed to incredulous, some minor editing and it makes one think, doesn't it?

Judge Popejoy overwhelmingly ruled in favor of the school district on all counts. In reading his ruling, it is apparent that the lawsuit was indeed frivolous. Even Sean Collins’ own post-ruling comments yesterday confirm that he didn’t think the lawsuit had a chance.

However, when Sean Collins and the leaders of NSFOC were asking for my $204 donation, they led me to believe the lawsuit had merit. I now feel misled and coerced. Swindled out of my $204.

Does anyone know if there are legal grounds to seek a refund?

By BB trust boycott? on May 30, 2008 9:38 AM
Ok, so everyone seems to be focusing attention on the next lawsuits brought by the BB trust. When the original Eola / Molitor site was being discussed there was an effort made to contact Midwest Gen in opposition to this site. It appeared to have worked because Midwest Gen backed out of their deal.

What if we as a group use the same tactic and approach the BB trust. We could let them know that if their lawsuit proceeds and ends up costing us millions in additional payments that we will not support the eventual business residents or development, i.e. boycott the location?
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Interesting idea but let me ask, why did you not think of this in an attempt to get BB to bring down their asking price for the land so Mtea could be built on BB?

Sorry Civics, you've seemed to rub off on me... ;)

Ok, so everyone seems to be focusing attention on the next lawsuits brought by the BB trust. When the original Eola / Molitor site was being discussed there was an effort made to contact Midwest Gen in opposition to this site. It appeared to have worked because Midwest Gen backed out of their deal.

What if we as a group use the same tactic and approach the BB trust. We could let them know that if their lawsuit proceeds and ends up costing us millions in additional payments that we will not support the eventual business residents or development, i.e. boycott the location?

Unless someone actually wants to see BB win the lawsuits I don't see what the harm would be in organizing and threatening a boycot? After all, fair is fair, aren't they the one's suing us?

To: By Incredulous on May 29, 2008 11:57 PM
As always, great post - well said.

It is amazing to me what the NSFOC has tried to do; their lies, the fliers they handed out to our children at the grocery store, their behavior at every turn. Now they are acting like what they did was freedom of speech or some such nonsense - accusing the board of lies and deceit, when that was in fact, the basis of their entire strategy - scare tactics, lies, propaganda.

Civics: Thanks fro the invitation, perhaps after licking my wounds, I'll be in a better frame of mind to join forces.

My concerns remain:

Eola land: While not the toxic dump that some have attempted to portray I still do not believe that enough remediation has or will take place. The gas lines are still an issue. From these blogs it appears that there are some very simple and realistic measures to be employed that will significantly mitigate the risk of the Eola/Molitor site however until I see them employed this wil remain a concern.

Pending lawsuits: What have we learned? The voters cannot compel, without merit as determined by the courts, the SB to act. Similarily, the SB cannot compel land owners to act/sell. Thus for me its not a matter of if but how much these suits will cost the district.

Construction costs: Accelerated timeline and remediation issues, if undertaken, mentioned in the first point.

Operating Costs: I have not seen anything published by the SB stating what the ultimate impact of moving to this site will have on their intital projections.

SB M.O.: This group has been as devisive as those fringe elements of the NSFOC and pro-Eola factions. This is a perfect time for them to rise above the fray and make a sincere effort to be the first to reach out and begin the healing, I don't know that they have this in them.

In my view, the SB's actions were just a naked attempt to hijack my vote and the vote of thousands like me to serve an end I flat out disagreed with. The scare tactics and propaganda only made it that much more distasteful. Whatever their real intentions were (and granted, only they know), they now have to acknowledge the fact that they came across as dishonest, self-interested, and bad intentioned.
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Incredulous can't this also be said about the SB? Both sides played in the same sandbox all along, don't you think?

The NSFOC train has derailed. The earth movers are working.
Will GF need to find a new cause to blog about?
will D&S ever be able to close out the sniper list?
Will Metea Either Way get the right sized first aid kit?
Will Roger Waters drown in his own bitterness about the dismissal?
Has Save the Earth left the planet?
Will Leupold and Barrett help hit the mark again?

Stay tuned next time for further adventures in Blogville.

By TroubleMaker on May 29, 2008 11:01 PM
Can someone explain to me why NSFOC gets to stomp around, pout and throw temper tantrums, call names and file suit, but when the rest of us point out that we were right all along that we're not allowed to do the same thing?

Why is strutting about OK for the people who caused all of this mess (NSFOC) but not for the rest of us who were vindicated today in our belief that the small-minded people of NSFOC were wrong?
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Its common on both sides, as it seems the parents of the children mentioned in this article demonstrated the same behavior when teaching them that this issue was about "the entitled kids that don't want to go to school with you."

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/978305,6_1_NA30_PRIDE_S1.article

By Happy in the North on May 30, 2008 8:09 AM
Wow, the judge really put them in their place. NSFOC can't even appeal this!

Now, perhaps they will join the rest of the southern section of D204 (the majority) and embrace their new boundaries/schools
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You might want to read the hand written comments at the end....specifically where Poejoy states that thsi is a final and appeallable order. Its close but it may not be over yet....

"Gee Wally, what just happened?"
"The judge just said you're ignorant, Beaver."
"He also said, you're a back door man."
"I'm gonna tell Mom!"
"Stick a sock in it junior, ya better wait til Dad get's home this time Beav. Mom waisted a whole bunch of money defending you against the school board the last time."
"Yeah, I guess you're right Wally....I hate the way you're always right Wally."

"What about Mr. Collins, Wally, what's he gonna do now?"
"Uh, I think he and Eddie are going to Barbados this weekend with some new money they found. When they come back, they'll have another plan.... Eddie always has a plan....you just watch and see Beav....now go to bed already would ya?"
"OK Wally....good night Wally."

You mean I can't gloat? Even just a LITTLE?!!???!!???

No? Ok. So be it.

The great thing about the regulars on this board is that even though we disagreed vehemently about many things, (and agreed vehemently on many others) and it occasionally got snotty, the dialog was good and the debate fair and lively.

I for one would be happy to work with any of Greg, Metea, D+S, Perspective, MR, KK, SSS, a couple of 'Mom' variants (and a few others I am sure I am forgetting) on issues related to the schools.

Our issues are not over. There is still a tight construction timeline to meet, lawsuits to fight, and more 'complications' around the next turn. So I will, with others on this board, be happy to erect a 'big tent' from which to fight the next battles.

But in case it doesnt work out that way....D+S, may I suggest you keep the snipers list active? ;-)

By Anonymous on May 29, 2008 10:04 PM
Finally - someone who is willing to stand up (very strongly I must admit) for what's right! I have so much respect for Judge Popejoy - not only for his verdict, but for his rightfully strong findings of the NSFOC and their tactics. The NSFOC has only brought turmoil into our well respected community. Their lies and outright selfishness are shameful and should be an example for everyone to live life with a strong moral compass.
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Like the strong moral compass the SB used to mislead those voters in the first place. The judge ruled what the SB did wasn't illegal; this doesn't make their behavior in 06 morally right--far from it. The SB's actions are what brought turmoil into the district, the NSFOC was standing up for the voters who were believed their votes were invalided by the SB. So get off your moral high horse. Neither you nor the SB deserve to be there. And keep in mind if the SB does it to others, they can do it to you. I think that is one lesson we should all learn from this.

Wow, the judge really put them in their place. NSFOC can't even appeal this!

Now, perhaps they will join the rest of the southern section of D204 (the majority) and embrace their new boundaries/schools.

Interesting. Both sides self characterize their own point of view as passionate yet see their opponents as divisive and selfish. Throw in the instant power of the internet and youy see how the level of civility quickly degrades. The NSFOC and its supporters may feel like they have been unfairly smeared by their opponents but they should not be surprised that the gloves came off when they elected to litigate their position and crank up their own PR machine. If this all looks familiar it is because the same scenario is playing out every day in the race for President. We live in a no holds barred world and it certainly played out here.

Thanks NSFOC:

I firmly believe if the board and superintendant had treated ALL parents with respect our district would not be torn, the NSFOC would never have been created and we could have saved alot of time aggrevation and money.
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I wish I could believe that, but I don't. The impression NSFOC has left is that they were unwilling to settle for anything but their own interests, the rest of the district be damned. Unless things went their way, they were not to be mollified. No matter what the SB said or did.

At best, it was an astounding display of personal immaturity. At worst it was a truly cynical maneuver to make sure their own interests trumped all others.

In my view, the NSFOC lawsuit was just a naked attempt to hijack my vote and the vote of thousands like me to serve an end I flat out disagreed with. The scare tactics and propaganda only made it that much more distasteful. Whatever their real intentions were (and granted, only they know), they now have to acknowledge the fact that they came across as dishonest, self-interested, and bad intentioned -- even to the judge.

I do at all not absolve the SB for their poor communication skills. There were far better ways to handle this, for sure. And I agree completely that they have a duty to help calm the waters and heal the wounds. I just wish the NSFOC folks would own up to their own blatant complicity in this mess make at least some gesture of reconciliation, as well.

Gotta tell you, I'm not holding my breath.

While we can celebrate this win we must also wonder if this is just the first battle or whether it now ends the entire war?

Having spent the better part of my adult life watching a variety of lawsuits parade through the judicial system it isn't always clear what is a victory and what is a defeat. Certainly appellate courts have, on occasion, reversed lower court rulings.

I guess in the bigger picture I am holding my breath waiting to see what, if anything, NSFOC does next. If the deadline to appeal rolls past this will essentially become a dead issue. If NSFOC decides to appeal or possibly file new or ammended charges I am not sure where that will leave us.

What is even scarier than NSFOC are the other two lawsuits. If we loose these two lawsuits... and I'm kind of thinking we are either going to win both or loose both due to the similarities... we are going to be in deep financial trouble. Realistically any savings realized by switching sites is going to be eaten up in legal expenses anyway. The bottom line is if we are forced to buy the land what will the price be and what will we do with it?

Anyone who has been watching these blogs knows that GF and I aren't even in the same subdivision or grade school area.

My hubby is all those things and agrees with me to boot. If we could get GF to leave the darkside he and my hubby would probably hit it off. (GF--no offense intended0

Oh, and since that sounds like a really icky threat or worse yet offer, maybe the editors should consider removing that post.
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By to I am a mom too on May 29, 2008 9:33 PM
...honest and honorable...

I hope you are GF's spouse if not, well, let's say maybe you need some attention.

Can someone explain to me why NSFOC gets to stomp around, pout and throw temper tantrums, call names and file suit, but when the rest of us point out that we were right all along that we're not allowed to do the same thing?

Why is strutting about OK for the people who caused all of this mess (NSFOC) but not for the rest of us who were vindicated today in our belief that the small-minded people of NSFOC were wrong?

By to I am a mom too on May 29, 2008 9:33 PM

...honest and honorable...

I hope you are GF's spouse if not, well, let's say maybe you need some attention.
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This post is just plain nasty. I didn't think it possible, but you have hit a new low. Congratulations, you are now officially in the gutter.

Why are all you anonymous?????

So BTIWWTO, do not need attention. Why do you hide?

I have lost my husband to this blog! Why is he the only one to use his real name? Kids, we ALL want the same thing for our children!! The NSFOC is NOT evil. It takes TWO (or more) to argue. BTW - the IDSP 204 are not so greatly ranked! Looked at Bellevue School District - abtfw - they DO NOT BRAG!! Check it out, property taxes are WAY less!

Sad part is that many of those calling the NSFOCers elitist are the same people that will be hit with footing the bill for the financial debacle the SB has still left us to fight! My pockets are sewn shut and longer are an open hole. I commend NSFOC for taking a stab at it. They were my only hope to not suffering from huge tax increases to come. 2nd job here we come!!!!!

While I am glad the NSFOC complaint was dismissed it is still personally a bittersweet victory for myself and (I think I can speak for them) most of my neighbors in a North Subdivision. I am sad that my children won't be attending WVHS a HS that I personally have a lot of feelings towards having lived in that HS district for 11 years and believing my kids would eventually attend WVHS. I am also saddened because through this process I have gotten to know many supporters of the NSFOC and I can empathize with all of their positions and feelings towards this HS issue.

I'd like to be the first to reach out a hand and try to bring this community together between those of us that have had different views. I am in no way gloating nor am I overly celebrating this decision. I have always tried to remain neutral in my posts but clear on where I stood.

I hope those who were for the AME site for MVHS are mature and civil in this victory. I also hope that those who supported the NSFOC can try and move past their betrayed feelings and make the best of the situation that they feel they have (fairly or unfairly) been put in. I wish those that supprted the NSFOC nothing but the best and I know you and your children will succeed where ever they go to school.

As much as I was against the NSFOC at the begining I hold no ill will and I want all of us to get back to where we were as a district before this whole mess. Let's stop putting the blame on the SB and take some personal onwnership in making this happen. I look forward to meeting parents from all over the district as summer activities begin for all of our kids. All of the past vile and hate that has been thrown around these boards for the past 3 months has got to stop now if we are to move forward as a district. I for one have never and will never participate in that type of behavior.

Regardless if we want to or not, we have to all lend a hand and repair this divide that has occured between us. I know some of you don't want to, but we have to support our SB while still holding them accountable. There are some big cases coming up between Brach and Brodie trusts and I hope I don't see parents rooting for those greedy land owners. To see parents supporting the BB Trusts would be disappointing because you would be truly wishing bad things for IPSD. I understand your frustration right now but the time will come for all of us to have a say who is on the SB in 2009. Until then let's make this a great summer and one of forgetting our differences and not holding grudges. This is my wish for the summer.

D&S and GF, you're welcome over anytime this summer for a beverage and a cook out on my patio!!! That goes for you Eloa Supporter as well!!

MR

from anonymous at 10:04 5.29
...Finally - someone who is willing to stand up (very strongly I must admit) for what's right! I have so much respect for Judge Popejoy - not only for his verdict, but for his rightfully strong findings of the NSFOC and their tactics.

The NSFOC has only brought

turmoil

into our well respected community. Their lies and outright selfishness are shameful and should be an example for everyone to live life with a strong moral compass."

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wasn't there TURMOIL before the nsfoc lawsuit??!!

Finally - someone who is willing to stand up (very strongly I must admit) for what's right! I have so much respect for Judge Popejoy - not only for his verdict, but for his rightfully strong findings of the NSFOC and their tactics. The NSFOC has only brought turmoil into our well respected community. Their lies and outright selfishness are shameful and should be an example for everyone to live life with a strong moral compass.

For those who hadn't seen the ruling of Popejoy.

http://www.ipsd.org/Uploads/news_18832_1.pdf

Pretty well said, I am a mom too.

I could say, and have believed, a lot of bad things about NSFOC, but assuming this is the end of their "effort", however you choose to characterize it, none of that should matter any more. We all make mistakes, we are all selfish to some degree or another at one time or another for one reason or another, and at this point I would like to accept that this was just one of those instances in their lives. I'd like to believe that I could be forgiven my mistakes, and I certainly can forgive what they have been doing, which I think was a mistake, yadda yadda yadda. Nonetheless, there is no reason to hold any ill will over it, and let us just put it in the past and move forward together.

...honest and honorable...

I hope you are GF's spouse if not, well, let's say maybe you need some attention.

Although the judge's opinion was disappointing the NSFOC had their day in court. I am personally amazed at the grass roots effort put forth by this group to address issues they were passionate about and willing to band together to address. This passion displayed by this group is something we need more of not less of in 204. Parents must be involved in the education system and irregardless of our opinions around issues we need to respect that we will not all agree.

I am ashamed though at my fellow district 204 neighbors who instead of debating facts created tension by bashing neighborhoods, threatening to not welcome innocent children into Waubonsie and acusing neighbors of being racist, elitist, etc. These actions really taught me that this community is not what I thought it once was.

Its hard to tell from blogs who made these statements but you know who you are and its a real embarassment to call you neighbors.

I remain concerned about the direction of our Superintendant and School board and so the other lesson learned is how critically important these SB elections are and what damage can be done by not having the right people in these positions. Hopefully we will all carefully chose the successors of the current board members when their seats open in 2009. Afterall, these board members also chose the Superintendant who is IMO a major disappointment. We have a great district and could have done a whole lot better in selecting the leader of the district. What we needed was someone who could unify the district not isolate parents so he could advance his own agenda. It sounds like he is on a limited contract though so lets prepare ourselves to appoint new SB leaders who in turn will appoint the next superintendant. These leaders must be open to working with parents and I firmly believe if the board and superintendant had treated ALL parents with respect our district would not be torn, the NSFOC would never have been created and we could have saved alot of time aggrevation and money.

We need to move on. Its clear the district, Superintendant and SB have little interest in being the catalyst in this process. The community needs to pull together despite the current board and superintendant. They are short term barriers but we are here for the long haul and need to rebuild the community and focus on whats best for all of our kids.

While disappointed, it is what it is and while the suit has been dismissed we must not lose sight of the pending lawsuits, a site that may still need remediation beyond what has been published/acknowledged to this point, transportation costs that have not been validated among other items.

My concerns remain, at best this "victory" in merely a band-aid on a gun shot wound.

Thanks Mom

you are a very classy individual. kudos to you for not gloating and "rubbing it in" like so many others. I think you have the foresight (that a few others seem to lack at present) that to further the divide causes the potential for many historically "vote yes" folks to just go for the "mutually assured destruction" path. If someone (or a group of people) are so ostrized and alieniated, this can seem like a viable path to take just for hate's sake. This would not be good. It doesnt take too many yes folks to join with the always vote no folks to thwart future refs.

As for me, I am going to read the opinion tonight, but apparently we had very little legal footing. It appears that there are only two "no no's" the SB can do. One being intentionally deceiving their constituents. The second being not following the letter of the actual referendum. ANything else is irrevelant in the eyes of the law. This does not make it ethical or moral, just not illegal(apparently)

Technically it CAN be appealed (it cannot be revamped and refiled..per the green board) it would have to have some issue to contend and would need to be appealled to the IL appellate court. This is remote and very unlikely. Even if we did this (and my some miracle we won): that leaves us with a half built HS since construction continues. I dont know about anyone else, but for me...the question as to the 3rd HS is over. I still disagree with the precident the SB set and find the process utilized morally bankrupt, but it will be built and we (me) all need to move on to other issues of the day.

Thanks again Mom, very classy of you, summer, and sc; to not gloat

the only banding together we will do for bb is to watch our tax bills go up a disgusting amount to pay for the districts lapse of judgment on land selection

to I am a mom too...

if you are offended get off the blogs. Join together to fight the BB trusts - and how do you do that.

I'm going to sit back and watch the show - it will be what it is going to be.

Let the courts handle it.

NSFOC - seeeeeyaaaaa!

It is time that we come together as a district. Some people put together a suit for what they believed, although many disagreed (including me) with this tact, it is time for all of us to be adults and figure out what is next and best for the children of this district. I am happy with the verdict, but, not happy with those who gloat. It is what it is and it is time to move on and come together as a community.

I will admit that I am glad that the judge dismissed the case. I am also glad he validated a lot of what I have been saying.

If the verdict had come back the other way how would I have felt? I know the answer--I would have been devastated just as I was when the jury came back in the condemnation suit.

All of this is background to say that the gloating on this board offends me almost as much as the NSFOC lawsuit (and their gloating when it wasn't thrown out last week). Now is the time to join together to fight the BB trusts and to start to heal the incredibly deep wounds in this community. I don't want to sound like Pollyanna, but this seems to be getting uglier not better!

What I find particularly offensive is the personal attacks!

GF has shown immense patience with my questions, though we are diametrically opposed in our views. He has shown incredible courage in using his real name. How many of us can say that? He has stated that he will now look at the new fact pattern and reevaluate. Again, how many of us can say that we are or would have been willing to reevaluate the situation? Above all he has been honest and honorable through the whole process. I would not vote for him for SB in the current climate, but if my side can find a candidate with his qualities, I will be thrilled.

Hi, All!

Well, I'm not surprised. I always believed Shawn Collins when he said the NSFOC lawsuit was a long shot. Still, it was not a waste. NSFOC involvement did result in getting Metea off the MWGen land, which is better for everyone.

As the Sun pointed out, now we can focus on the REAL lawsuits. Mark your calendars for June 10, that's when BB and SD attorneys meet in court. Unfortunately, I don't expect any dismissals here. These lawsuits are the Big Kahunas compared to the NSFOC suit and will be the ones to watch over the next year or so.

Cheers!

This is where we show our children, our young adults, that it is OK to voice our opinions and to fight for what we believe...but once the judge rules, we all join back together as a community and move forward.

Finally, someone stepped up and applied logic and the rule of law to this terrible mess.

For thise considering an appeal . . . .

DISMISSAL WITH PREJUDICE - When a case is dismissed for good reason and the plaintiff is barred from bringing an action on the same claim.

Elitists 0 Rationale People 1
I think the NSFOC should now throw it's weight behind Hillary Clinton's campaign.

Justice served. End of story. Let's stop picking apart this issue and start picking up the pieces and moving on.

When I grow up I want to be Kenneth Popejoy so I can say:

CONCLUSION:
Though plaintiffs deny it, each of their arguments is a back door method to obtain
discretion over where the site of the new school will be built, or at least where it will not be built.
This is not their right, but the right granted to the school district by Ilinois law.

and not get burned at the stake or thrown to the wolves!

Where is GF? He is ALWAYS first! Seems kinda quiet so far. So ok, Woo Hoo, Yipee, hot da_n!!!
Justice prevails.

I hope the school board counter sues for all legal expenses they spent. The tax payers in D204 should not have to pay to defend against a suit that had absolutley no merit.

This is great news. What a waste of everyone's time.

Judge Popejoy really put NSFOC where they deserved to be. Out of the court room and licking their wounds. I love the conclusion where he points out they were trying a "backdoor" method to get their way.

NSFOC, bye bye!! $204 well spent folks????

NSFOC....YOU HAVE BEEN DISMISSED!!!! GLAD I DIDN'T DONATE!!!