Naper cops leads pack in safety initiative

What it says is, there are lot of idiots who fly down Rt 59, there tires don't even touch the ground.

They were easy targets. Ever since, they started building the Crossings, the cops stopped hiding over there and ticketing people.

What has happened here is that people have gotten so relaxed at not getting a ticket. They got caught off guard. NPD didn't even have to work so hard. If they had more cops out, they could have clearly written more ticket.

Just for reference.. I can see Rt 59 out of my bedroom window. They were nabbing them left and right and I see nothing wrong with that.

Chief Dial, if you are low on funds - the red light cameras aren't fairing to well. Put some cops on Rt 59, especially 75th to 95th, in either directions.

Thanks NPD for doing your job, how about more frequently!

What would be interesting is to see what per cent of Rt 59 from Hoffman Estates to Shorewood falls into the jurisdiction of each police agency participating and then to see how many officers each jurisdiction provided for the special enforcement action.

It would also be interesting to know how many of the Naperville police officers were working their regular shift and how many were getting paid overtime and to then compare that aspect to all of the other police agencies involved.

Now it would be even more interesting to see how many payroll dollars were spent on both regular time and overtime and then compare the money spent against the money collected in fines. In other words... did the City of Naperville make money or loose money on the special enforcement? Of course we would need to figure in all of the overtime that will be spent in court by some motorists who want their "day in court" to see if this exercise actually made money or lost money.

IMHO these special enforcement actions are nice for PR purposes and new articles, but I am not compelled to believe that any permanent change to how motorists drive on Rt 59 will result. Permanent change will only result when the police maintain a high visibility and enforce the laws along Rt 59 on a regular basis... something that is not and has not been happening for a long time.

What really ticks me off is having a Naperville Police officer sitting next to me at a red light and then watching them do absolutely nothing when a whole bunch of motorists run the red light right in front of them. Here is a clue for the Naperville Police Officers... try actually LOOKING out the window while sitting at a red light instead of playing on your computer. Yes, we know you are running all of our plates, we are not stupid. If I had something to hide I would have turned off before you had a chance to run my plates. Bottom line the action is right there in front of you.

Red light running is now so bad, epidemic actually, in Naperville that I am now willing to bet there no longer is an intersection remaining anywhere in Naperville where a red light violation does not occur at some point during every single cycle during daytime hours.

Over the weekend I was in Oakbrook and the police department was actually working and ticketing red light running at 22nd and 83. Kudo's to the Oakbrook Police Department! Maybe Chief Dial can hire some Oakbrook Police Officers on a consulting bassis to train Naperville Police Officers on how to actually enforce red light violations in Naperville?

Well, it took no time for the Napergatians to use this topic to rail on the police overtime. Again.

I don't believe the word Napergate was mentioned until you mentioned it "Call me Silly." I do not believe this Anonymous gentleman has an affiliation with Napergate.

People like you want to blame Napergatians for everything.

Napergatians, generally speaking, do not blog unless they understand the issues fully.

I do not believe anyone understands who was ticketing...regular or OT Naperville Police Officers on Rt 59. I don't believe anyone understands the cost beneifit analyis of this ticketing.

Until the Naperville Sun or the Naperville Police Dept. explain this further you will most probably not see any bloggging by Napergatians who generally care, cherish and value their credibility.

So please don't be throwing false allegations against the Napergatians. Review the first 2 posts thoroughly and there is nothing that ties either one of them to Napergatians.

You planted a seed to try to throw the Moderator and Host off, but I am here to simply remove the seed you planted before you can harvest it with further lies, implications and innuendas.

And I would like to emphasize that Napergatians do not dislike the Naperville Police. They dislike the extreme waste of the Naperville Police Dept. They dislike the inefficiencies in the NPD. They dislike the cronysism. They dislike the lack of effective leadership. They dislike the huge pensions they receive at taxpayer expense. They dislike the OT they receive for planned events where other measures could be taken to save money. They dislike how they use discretion in an unequal manner.

None of this equates with disliking the Naperville Police. It all equates with wanting a better police dept. with the same police officers but better guidance through responsible and effective leadership.

A few Napergatians did call for the resignation of Police Chief David Dial and Sgt. Greg Bell but that is it, to the best of my knowledge. No one attacked any of the other 193 police sworn police officers, called for their removal, or called them any names.

Wanting a change of leadership if the current Chief is not able to curb even 5% of his OT is a legitimate request. No one asked that Chief Dial be thrown to the wolves, fired, or terminated without pension. We want him to receive his full pension, a small balloon payment like Burchard and send him to his well deserved retirment.

We just need a change. He has gotten lax with the taxpayer dwindling hard earned dollars. If he can find a way to eliminate 75% of the OT and 10% of the regular time, I say keep him and reward him with a very nice raise for saving us taxpayers some money.

It is the performance of the department that is at question. No one is blaming the rank and file for Chief Dial's lack of control and deficient policies.

I believe if Chief David Dial takes his head out of the sand box, he can fix everything and we can all be happy again. But why he is not willing to take his head out of the sandbox so he can smell the beautiful ocean is beyond me.

Again no one dislikes Chief Dial. We would like to see him fix the situation and remain. If he can not we would like to see him retired and get a more cost conscious chief who can give us the same level of security for a lower price. Anyone who believes that 300 members of the NPD do not have excess fat, has his head in the sand with Chief David Dial. Be careful as there are snakes in the sand that are poisonous and can surface unexpectedly at any moment.

PS. I hope the Moderator can give more details on the introduction to this thead. I think the lack of detail results in the huge sepecualtion and arguments that no one wants. We need more facts from the Sun to be able to blog intelligently. Hopefully, they will be forthcoming. Usually, one phone call to the Police Chief and all the answers are provided to the Sun. That is what we want. Facts before we debate!

Well, it took no time for the Naperville Police Officer Overtime Fan Club to start making accusations and labeling posters. Again.

Maybe what it says is that Naperville is too nice.

The police here should be more aggressive in ticketing speeders, red light runners, nearly running people down in crosswalks, people parking on the street overnight and yes people that don't wear their seat belts.

What does it cost the City of Naperville, meaning us taxpayers, for each totally self centered person that flies out the front windshield and requires all the kings horses and all the kings men to try to put them back together again?

Maybe we should add an option to drivers licenses in addition to organ donor.

No seat belt, DNR, allow to bleed out "an an individual choice".

To Another Anonymous...

Take a look at the previous two threads on OT & tell me there are no Napergatians who are not name-calling & disliking NPD! In fact, your letter is TOTALLY different than any I have read on those two threads...asking for facts first...wow...asking to call NPD for info...wow...a novel concept to many of those opposing the OT on the two previous threads!

I'm thrilled they gave out so many tickets! Anything to make the roads safer for my family and I don't care if it was on OT! You bust your butt for me you deserve every penny. You sit on your butt doing nothing, you better not let me see you do it...but at least I don't assume they are just being lazy & not perhaps on break or still doing work, as some of those who posted on the other threads! I do agree...this needs to be consistent to be effective. If you go back to very little after this...crazy people will just go back to their old ways. It will be no different than 55 near Joliet...people just know they can stay at 65 because there rarely are police there.

I don't like wasting anything either, but who is to determine if it is waste? What we may think is waste infact may not be. We have a very different perspective being outside the sandbox! Who knows better than those who are in the sand what is harmful! It is no different than someone who does not understand your job (career) and coming in & telling you how to do things! Am I saying there is no waste...no...but there are many on these threads who act like they know what to do themselves...how arrogant they are themselves!

The Police get overtime. The City gets revenue. They all win. So what if people are inconvienced with traffic snarl-ups, So what if people have to pay out money to the authorites. So what if people have to be bothered while minding their own business. It's all about money and the power, baby !!

When I worked for the court Naperville gave out the most tickets, "sting" or no "sting". This was about 5 years ago, but basically my understanding of the situation was that Naperville had more police officers hired than it really needed, and since the officers had to do SOMETHING with their time on shift, they'd ticket every petty infraction they came across to make themselves appear proactive, efficient, and no-nonsense. Just thought you all might want to know.

If excessive ticketing was a positive revenue source, why did our taxes increase by 15.75% in the line on our County Bill where the NPD is apart.

If a policeman gives speeding tickets or sticker expiration tickets, is he really making the town money. First, a cop may give one or two of these in an hour if he is concentrating on doing it while we are paying him hopefully regular time. One he gives them he has to show up to court while being paid OT to the tune of up to 75 bucks an hour. He gets to sit in court for 4 hours in the morning collecting 300 dollars waiting for those he ticketed to get thru the line.

If they want to fight, he has to come in the afternoon for maybe another 3 hours for a cost of another 225 dollars. And he probably gets an hour of travelling time at OT rates while we pay for his gasoline and depreciation on his car.

I doubt that the 75 dollar ticket is ending up in the coffers of NPD allownance bucket. I suspect the largest portion of this ticket is going to the county to pay the Judges, prosecutors, clerks, bailiffs, building costs court costs and it goes on and on. Whose paying for that if our tickets are not?

To be ticketing while on overtime as Mr. X wants just makes the situation worse and worse...less and less affordable and palatble to taxpayers.

I do wish the Naperville Sun would do an article on what per cent of a ticket ends up in City Coffers. I feel the Naperville Sun has failed in its duty to the residents of bringing knowledge of how our city functions.

Mr. Lynch is alway complaining about lack of time or staff. Well, if the Naperville Sun became a more informative and investigative newspaper, and circulation doubled from 16k to 32k, the money would come to hire more staff and give us the newspaper we deserve.

It bothers me as well as many others that the Napergate Man could do more informative and investigative reporting in one of his ads than the Sun does in months. He had no staff! He has less money than the Naperville Sun and certainly Chicago Sun Times.

Does it really cost that much to make phone calls to City Officials and get some answers and have a reporter write them down to be pubslihed in the next edition? It really does not cost that much...it just seems there is no will at the Sun to get answers for the residents...just like the old Naperville Sun that was owned by the establishment...nothing has really changed!

Common Moderator Jim get us some darn answers once in a while. If you have time to ask City Manager Marshall about his marathon running, you certainly can make some time to ask Chief Dial how these tickets are divided up between the Naperville Police and the Dupage County Courthouse.

If we do not understand, we can never solve our huge runaway budget problems in the police dept. as well as other depts. Please get us some answers and stop giving us excuses all the time. The Napergate Man never gaves excuses...he just made phone calls and got the answers for us. I am sure the Sun can do likewise rather easiy if they had the desire and will power.

Thanks!!!

Sorry guys...I meant 80 near Joliet (not 55...was thinking of speed!) need those state police out there!

If gas prices get any higher we may have no need to worry about all this! Over $4 is just pathetic! I'm sure just gas alone is a good junk of the increase in your tax! I can't even imagine what their gas total is.

Anonymous 8:52...

You need to add a few other things I believe. How many just pay? No OT there & so you have to include that. How many go through line in an hour? What on avg are the tickets? You have to include this to even see if it is over the amounts you are giving. The way you are presenting it...you'd think they were breaking even or losing money...somehow I find that very hard to believe! Yes, facts are needed before one speculates!

One who values you,

If they were breakin even why do we pay for police services on our real estate tax bills. That is a good sign we need to subsidize them because the tickets they give, regardless of how many, just can not pay for an inefficient police dept.

We subsidize the police dept. with every kind of tax we pay.

Don't think for a second that these tickets contribute a whole lot after the state and/or county take their large junks out of them.
Think of how much it must cost to run that huge Dupage Complex and its numerous high rise parking decks...millions buddy!!!

Smell the coffee!!!

You're right, Anonymouse 11:17pm. Let's abolish all law enforcement agencies and save a few hundred on our tax bills.

Just like the red light cameras, it’s all about the money.

Why are law enforcement agencies spending alot of money on radio/tv ads threatening to give out tickets ? Can't we find a better use for that money other than threatening citizens.

Ken,
Why do you like to twist words? Anonymous does not want to abolish law enforcement. He wants to make it more efficient and affordable. What really is wrong with that?

If tickets were a huge source of revenue other poorer towns would be sitting on Rt 59 ticketing day and night. Ticketing on OT as some here on this blog site think is practical may in fact not be practical.

Obviously most towns outside of Naperville ticket when necessary for law enforcement purposes. Many giving warnings before issuing tickets. Other towns do not ticket for the sake of ticketing so police officers can spend tons of time in court making OT at taxpayers expense.

Law enforcement is very important. But it must be done right.

Everyone knows that Naperville issues the most tickets in Dupage by far in proportion to its population. But at the same time Naperville has the highest proportion of OT to any other city, town or village in Dupage. Check any village site on the web and you will see how insignificant OT is in other villages.

Aurora is the only town I found worse than Naperville. But it is mostly not in Dupage. Their overtime is related to being the suburban gang capital. They ticket much less than Naperville as seen in that sting on Rt. 59 the other day. They are to busy chasing gang bangers and since that is a very serious problem their OT may be possibly justified. However, if I was an Aurora resident, I would be asking why don't we hire more cops to get more out of 6 million bucks going for OT. Maybe Aurora does not care since they have 2 huge Casinos and the Fox Valley Mall pumping tons of money into their City. Hollywood Casinos has been known to pump 8 digits of taxes into Aurora. Thus their residents are not feeling this OT and inefficiencies as Naperville Residents who do not have 2 Casinos and 1.8 million square foot Fox Valley Mall. That is almost twice the retial space in our downtown Naperville and it is not subsidized. Those retailer pay for their own parking thru their high rents to the landlords. The downtown landlords pocket most of their rents as profits since Naperville is paying for the parking, the cleaning, snow plowing the sidewalks, lighting the streets, and possibly paying for garbage pick-up at at taxpayer expense.

Anyone like Ken or Joe, who think the NPD can not do a little better are lacking more than reading and mathematical skills. Ken proves over and over again he has no reading comprehension while accusing others they have none. It seems due to low self esteem about his reading skills, he has accused all bloggers except for his clique, of low reading comprehension...lol!!! Joe can't even comprehend or compute his real estate tax bill while attempting to lecture others how to compute theirs. Even offers to compute others real estate tax bills, if they post them for him...lol again!!! Mr. John Q. Public has attempted to tutor him for weaks on the Napergate Thread and is about ready to give him an F-.

If Joe and Ken are city officials blogging here, it is very understandable why our City is failing to manage expenses. It simply has unqualified managers working that are lacking the expertize.

I hope insiders can help us bloggers a little more before election time. We need some detail from the insiders so we can end estbalishment rule in the next election.

Thanks to all the insiders so far for the valuable information they provided! Keep it up insiders...we really do need your help!!!

I don't know who "enlightened" 9:41 about the inner workings of the Naperville Police Department but they work with fewer officers than Aurora per capita and make less money than several other city's of their size including Aurora so before you go demolishing their moral be proud you still retain college educated officers who work 12 hour shifts as a rule. They're certainly around when you need them and they are highly professional as their chief demands they should be. I have driven around town and it seems like in naperville you drive your cars as though speed and cutting people off is based on price paid for the vehicle. It's really sad to watch. So watch your speed out there people.

Another Anonymouse, I didn't twist any words. To me, it is clear that Anonymouse 11:17pm is saying that both the city and county police departments are worthless (inefficient, in his words) and that ticketing people is a waste of resources as it does not make a profit. The next logical step following his reasoning would be to get rid of these inefficient departments.

Personally, I would go the other way. I rarely see NPD out with the radar guns like I see other community police departments. I think the NPD should have every cop out every shift manning the radar guns until they are called for other law enforcement activities. If this happened, I don't think it would take long for ticket writing to become a positive revenue activity.

You questioned my reading comprehension. If yours is so great, why can't you comprehend the repeated fact that the city gets reimbursed for a lot of the overtime paid out, yet does not put it back in the police budget. Until you know for sure how much overtime is actually paid back, everything you base your speculations on are just that, speculations. In fact, people on this thread have even speculated that the ticket writing campaign was done on overtime, yet have offered nothing factual to back that up. If you had any reading comprehension, Another Anonymouse, you might have realized that. Of course, your blindness caused by your vendetta against me probably obscures your ability to reason well, or reason at all.

By Anonymous...

One who values you,

If they were breakin even why do we pay for police services on our real estate tax bills. That is a good sign we need to subsidize them because the tickets they give, regardless of how many, just can not pay for an inefficient police dept.

We subsidize the police dept. with every kind of tax we pay.

Don't think for a second that these tickets contribute a whole lot after the state and/or county take their large junks out of them.
Think of how much it must cost to run that huge Dupage Complex and its numerous high rise parking decks...millions buddy!!!

Smell the coffee!!!
******
Sorry, no addicting stimulants for me...but considering your response perhaps you are withdrawing?

I never said they are making tons of money. I'm not sure how you got that from "The way you are presenting it...you'd think they were breaking even or losing money...somehow I find that very hard to believe!"? Don't go to extremes.

I'm sure there are tons of other police services which need to be paid for also via your taxes. Are you suggesting you know how much comes in from taxpayers is covering the court house vs other police dept needs? Again, speculation! I never said "it covers a whole lot!" I just don't think it is the other extreme either. Why would you not think you should be paying for those services? Why would you not think it would cost millions for what is going on in Naperville? You get what you pay for! You want a lovely town like you have, then you have to pay. If you can't pay then you don't live there just like others who live in other towns.

Ok, so lets see...you say that these tickets do not contribute a whole lot to cover expenses...what is your solution? Raise ticket fines? Don't ticket at all? The money has to come from somewhere. I want the officers out there ticketing people who are speeding & running lights as I'm trying to drive or cross the street! I want your town to pay for them to do this & yes even if it is OT! No, I don't want waste but to speculate where it is waste when you have no clue is even more illogical than your point of OT being illogical.

A point of clarification regarding shifts for the police. They work 12 hour shifts because they chose to work 12 hour shifts. This began as an experiment a few years ago and was supported by council. I believe, but am not certain, that after three 12 hour days, they get 2 days off and then begin the 12 hour shifts again. There was debate about their effectiveness after 12 hours on the job. I don't know if this schedule led to more or less overtime, but it might be interesting to know.

Sam,

I'm not sure the 12 hour shifts are quite as you describe. Most 12 hour shifts are set up so that you work every other day so as to put in 3 work days in one week or a total of 36 hours and 4 work days the following week or a total of 48 hours. If anyone knows something different about how the Naperville Police structure their work shifts, please chime in.

The net result of typical 12 hour shifts is the first week in the cycle you work 4 days and have 3 days off. The second week of the cycle you work 3 days and have 4 days off.

Most of the time you are also allowed to swap days off with someone else if they are willing if you want to get two days off in a row. This is where it might get a little interesting with how that aspect of scheduling is handled in terms of overtime with the Police Union Contract, esp if the person agreeing to swap hours has already put in their full time for that work week.

Also of note is the total of 36 hours the first week plus 48 hours the second week total 84 hours for the two week period. Also interesting is if the Police Union contract calls for the 4 hours over the 80 hour total for two weeks to be paid at overtime rates or if the Police Union contract calls for 8 of the 48 hours worked in the second week to be paid at overtime rates or if all of these hours are at straight time.

Understanding how just this basic aspect of police compensation works may be key in better understanding how and why we come up with several million dollars of overtime each year.

I do think it is also fair to point out that if all of the sworn officers are working 12 hour shifts... and we have 196 sworn officers... that means we have 49 sworn police officers on duty at any given time... which is significantly higher than the 33 officers calculated based upon an 8 hour work shift.

The City of Naperville website and a few others all describe the city as encompassing about 35 square miles of land. With 49 officers on duty at any given time that means the coverage is 1.4 officers per square mile.

I'm not sure about traffic enforcement in other parts of town. I do know that where I live I'm not getting my fair share of 1.4 officers per square mile. From the speeders, red light running, stop sign running, driving on the other side of double yellow lines, and a whole host of other fairly major traffic infractions it is pretty clear to me that most motorists in my part of town are pretty aware that our 1.4 officers per square mile are nowhere to be seen or found and as a result they drive pretty much as they damn well please.

It give the Naperville Gestopo police more of an excuse to pull you over not to mention out doing every other town as they usually do.

Oh, by the way let's throw the arrogance in there as well.

Have a nice day in paradise !!!

Here is what kills me!

On May 16, a nice Friday evening in which downtown was packed you hardly saw any cops till about closing time except for one that was cruising back and forth as he should be. There may have been one undercover backin him up which is fine!

I suspect on May 23 or May 30, if history repeats itself as it does each year, we will suddenly have 6 school cops riding bikes and 2 riding motorcycles on Chicago Ave. so they can have work, since the schools closed down for the summer.

But if we did not need them when the downtown was hopping on May 16, why do we need them when the downtown is hopping on May 23. We really don't need them!

I wish, Mr. Jim Lynch, would question the NPD in his Friday column about this unnecessary need of extensive and excessive cops on Chicago Ave. when the high schools close!

I wish he would recommend that these unneeded officers be used to give the OT officers time off so we can avoid paying them OT for their accumulated OT this year. It just seems more practical.

Sometimes I feel it is such a shame that the Napergate Man does not own the Naperville Sun. If he did he would hold all these city officials accountable and reduce our taxes substantially!

But that is not going to happen, I guess, since he retired and of course he does not own the Naperville Sun.

Would it not be wonderful, if Mr. Jim Lynch, filled his shoes and started asking some tough questions instead of being Mr. Nice Gentleman all day and night with these City Officals!!!

Time to do your job, Mr. Lynch! You are a professional and you must know your newspaper is not serving its readers in a manner that is expected of a city newspaper in a large city.

Please accept the fact that you can not run your newspaper like a village tabloid in a booming city of 155,000. Please get with it and make it a city newspaper with 40,000 cirulation. Leave a legacy of production, Mr. Lynch, before you leave us and go back to your roots on the East Coast.

Please don't leave the Naperville Sun as you received it from Tim West. It is very understandable why he did not have any interest in doing investigative reporting...no need to elaborate here and have my post censored...so I will leave it at that! So far you have not done any serious investigative reporting of any significance...just talk, talk, talk, and more talk...no action...no muscle. Why are you afriad of our City Officials??? Please expose all their improprieties for all your print edition readers to see!
Your citizen journalists are utterly frustrated from your lack of leadership.

Time to roll, Mr. Lynch! Time to leave a legacy! You have the power...exercise it!

Anonymous...

I suppose that being Memorial Day weekend there is no need to increase police presence. Heck we all know that people do not go out more on holiday weekends & use it as an excuse to get drunk since they have Monday off..and heck Monday everyone is home having a lovely time with family of course with no alcohol. Ah...let more officers have off to enjoy their family also! Oh Boy....

Just what we need...yet another thread taken over by the napergate cult to moan about overtime and police staffing in the downtown area.
Same stuff, different thread.

Hi Ken,

We wish could say we were glad to see you back whining on yet another thread! But we won't.

Keep looking in all your closets and under your bed... you never know where all of those "napergate cult" members will be found hiding. There are just so many conspiracies around us and good gosh what would we do if it wasn't for you to point them all out for us?

Mr. Moderator,

I do agree with the post of

By Anonymous on May 20, 2008 2:43 AM

Excluding Memorial Day Weekend one has to ask why if we can survive with 1 to 3 police officers in downtown on weekends prior to Memorial Day that are busy, why we suddenly need to go to 11 or 12 on weekends after Memorial Day.

I recall a while back the answer was provided by Ms. of the Police Officer who stated these are all school cops who are no longer needed in the schools since they closed for the summer. They had to find somewhere to use them in order to keep paying them for the summer.

Between Anonymous 2:43 AM and Mrs. of the Police Officer one can really see that 12 Police Officers are not needed on Chicago Ave. or even in all downtown Naperville.

I agree with Anonymous that while schools are closed, the school police officers should be working for all the police officers who accumalated huge OT during the first 5 months of the year. They should be given time off in lieu of OT.

I also recall Mr. Popo from another department stated he was given 4 weeks off in lieu of OT by his police departement which was not Naperville.

I think this serves 2 purposes.

1. It obviously reduces everyone's real estate tax bill.

2. It forces police to think twice about working OT unnesscessairly, as they will not be paid in money but in time off. Thus why kill themselves and work 60 or 70 hour weeks to be faced with having to work 10-20 hour weeks as a result at a later time. They are more likely to pace themselves and stay well rested. They are unlikely to want to stay late for extra time unless it is absolutely necessary such as in a murder case. They would be much more willing to have the next shift officer take their arrestee to the police department for booking, bailing and release.

These issues are really not only Napergate Issues. These issues are important to all residents who want to make ends meet in this very tough economy. A barrel of oil broke a new record yesterday. I hope Chief Dial finds a way to minimize unnecessary driving around by his police cars all day and night. I hope he eliminates his fleet of gas guzzling SUVs. I hope when replacement time comes he buys some electric combo police cars. This could also result in massive savings. It is a different era and we have to think differently.

It is sad to see some bloggers jumping all over Napergatians when they do nothing but present good ideas, that are logical and make a little too much sense!

I hope you give them an assist, Mr. Moderator! You have the resources to help out a little here!

To:
Another Anoymous on May 16, 2008 2:26 PM you wrote: Until the Naperville Sun or the Naperville Police Dept. explain this further you will most probably not see any bloggging by Napergatians who generally care, cherish and value their credibility.

1. Anonymous on May 17, 2008 8:52 PM
The Napergate Man never gaves excuses...he just made phone calls and got the answers for us.

2. Another Anonymous on May 18, 2008 1:26 PM
Mr. John Q. Public has attempted to tutor him for weaks on the Napergate Thread and is about ready to give him an F-.

3. Anonymous on May 20, 2008 2:43 AM
Sometimes I feel it is such a shame that the Napergate Man does not own the Naperville Sun. If he did he would hold all these city officials accountable and reduce our taxes substantially!

4. Anonymous on May 20, 2008 11:32 AM
Keep looking in all your closets and under your bed... you never know where all of those "napergate cult" members will be found hiding.

5. D. J. on May 20, 2008 2:39 PM who went on to simply say they agreed with this post and then copied the entire rant.

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First the Napergatians claim they will "most probably" not be blogging here, then they follow up with 5 posts listed above. Arguably it's probably the same person doing this, but at least on the other threads this person used different names each time.

5 posts + the first (6 total) Napergate references out of 27 posts, so much for those who are trying to "care, cherish and value their credibility."

To get back to the topic: I was glad that Naperville participated in the route 59 safety initiative. What the story lacked was a reference as to how busy route 59 is in Naperville compared to the other cities. I would guess that Naperville wrote the most tickets because they had the most traffic traveling on route 59 than any other municipality?

Ken,
You are really getting a bit annoying on these threads.

People like Anonymous 2:43 AM and DJ seem to be trying to find a way to help us save taxes.

As another Anonymous said your whining is just getting too loud.

I have a 3 year older and a 4 year older and I do not think they whine half as much as you in an entire day.

I am assuming you are an adult... stop whining and present some solutions to this horrendous OT and other waste we are encountering in our City that our City Officials stand idly by and watch!

Something is wrong with our City and its officials. I am only writing for the first time ever on these blogs because I recently receieved my tax bill and I fully understand finally, what the Napergatians are pushing for.

As DJ, I hope our Moderator gives them an assist. I think they are just ordinary people trying to make ends meet. Their agenda simply seems to be to stop government waste where ever it may be or can be found.

What is wrong with that, Ken?

The problem, Serena, is that there is a thread for the napergate cult to whine on about police overtime. Their less than stellar 'solutions' have already been offered on that thread and many others. It would be nice if they could stick to the topic at the beginning of the thread, but they seem incapable of doing that. They have to keep pushing their conspiracy theories on any thread that they can as most normal posters just laugh at their silliness on the threads designated to their rantings.

Back on topic, Radar Gun has a good point. In the past couple of weeks, I have traveled up and down Route 59 many times. Naperville and Plainfield seem to have much more traffic than the towns up north. I still fail to see why the NPD is not out in force all the time instead of designated days. I drive at the speed limit and feel like I am being strafed by fighter jets as the other traffic rockets by me.

Yes Serena...if you can't tell that they are whining about why we need so many officers on Chicago Ave, and how there should be no OT & how this should be done & that without knowing even where the OT is being made & by which officers then you do not understand what whining is about! So what are they doing? Complaining & not whining! HA!

Solutions...how can one prescribe a solution when they do not know all the facts to the problem. Someone on one of the threads talked about colds & diseases etc...but doctor would not make a claim of disease and provide a solution without data proof of the diagnosis & also that the particular solution is the remedy that is the MOST successful. Everyone on these posts just want to be armchair docs & say this is the problem and this is what you need to do without any proof. You have no clue where the OT is being made, for what reason, by whom to even know if it is at all waste or what percentage etc. First you have to evaluate the dynamics of the situation totally. Every aspect to see what is going on before you can tell if there even is a problem and then if there is how bad it is & where it is. Before anyone has this type of proof everyone is just "I'm not a doctor but I play one on tv!"