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What can be done to make 75th Street crossing safe?

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The Sun has a story in our Friday edition about safety crossing 75th Street and the nearby roads that are experiencing more traffic due to the construction on 75th. Residents expressed outrage at Tuesday's City Council meeting because of what they say is an accident waiting to happen.

Indeed, a child was struck and injured by a construction vehicle in the area earlier this year. Speed bumps, crossing guards, rerouting traffic and more police patrols were among the suggestions. Another suggestion is a pedestrian bridge over 75th Street. Such a bridge has been in the planning stages for years but is being held up by bureaucracy.

Do you think there is a problem in the 75th Street area? What would you suggest to fix the problem?

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Mark: Its not about blaming 203, its about holding them accountable. If the government is going to take care of things for us, we need to hold them accountable for their failures. That means for safety at the schools or for example or allowing former terrorists and promoting members of cop killing organizations for example at NNHS on 4/8 when Ayers and Dorhn will be warmly received I'm sure. The education business, like any business has to please its customers or it will of course like any business incur the wrath of its customers.

Mark & Anonymous you are just like D203. You keep looking the other way and nothing gets done. If D203 wanted that bridge, it would get built. Just like the Garden Plots if they want something bad enough they will work with others to get it done. But they don't want to ask for the bridge because they don't want to pay for the bridge. But some day a student will get hit by a car and D203 will be sued. Mark rain or shine D203 is just too Cheap!

By Southsider on March 25, 2009 3:46 PM

"If you don't think that the school system is responsible for building the bridge and the safty of it's students your wrong. They will be the first ones sued when one of their students gets hit by a car trying to cross 75th street. D203 will be the ones that didn't do everything they could to protect their students. This story is nothing new. D203 has known about this problem for a long time and has done nothing. Once again they are too Cheap!"

How do you propose the school district build a bridge across a roadway they do not own terminating on property they do not own. Again, the students north of 75th are provided transportation. Sorry the argument that they still have to get home after detentions or after school activities does not work. There are many students which need to get home after those events and do not live with in walking distance of the schools. The parents need to make arrangements to get them home after school. It sxxcks, I know. I have kids who are very active after school and I need to get them home. It means either finding them a ride or taking off from work early to get them home. It's should be no different for those parents who live north of 75th.

As far as suing the district you can sue but most likely you wont win. Again the school has no authority to build a bridge. In addition transportation is provided to those students. Its the students and parents who choose not to use the provided transportation.

Im not saying that the problem on 75th is non existent. But it is the responsibility of the city/county (sorry not sure who is responsible for this section of the road) to fix the issue.

Southsider @ 3:46 pm:

Sorry, but you are just plain wrong. D203 is NOT responsible for building a bridge across a county roadway. They can advocate for it, but it is the responsibility of the city and county governments to get together to build that bridge -- a bridge I would strongly support.

Sounds like you're just another complainer who likes to blame the school district for everything under the sun. I understand that it's going to rain over the weekend. Darn that D203! How can they let this happen?

Shop Owners,

I don't think shop owners benefit as much from increased traffic as they get hurt by a completely shut down street due to bridge construction.

I think the flower shop and beauty salon on Bailey both bit the dust and new owners occupied them after the bridge was finally rebuilt. So these 2 owners who could not weather the storm are not benefitting from increased traffic. A little bail-out on Bailey by the city that could have been paid back in times like these would have been nice. No one got a bail-out. Only the Big Boys on Wall Street get huge bail-outs at taxpayer expense and then convert them to bonuses. The little guy should be helped by govt but never is...unfortunately.

If I recall though the issue was the safety or our children and not the well being of the shop owners. Shop owners come and go. But if you lose a child you can never get him back.

Again this thread is about safety of the children and not profitability of shop owners. Let us try to stay on topic. Thank you!

If you don't think that the school system is responsible for building the bridge and the safty of it's students your wrong. They will be the first ones sued when one of their students gets hit by a car trying to cross 75th street. D203 will be the ones that didn't do everything they could to protect their students. This story is nothing new. D203 has known about this problem for a long time and has done nothing. Once again they are too Cheap!

I would imagine the shops along Bailey that were of such concern a few months ago when the Bailey Rd bridge was out are quite happy with the new traffic patterns now? A recommendation was made at the time that the city should subsidize these shop owners - I wonder now if the Napergatian will recommend these owners give something back with the new increase in drive-by patrons? Isn't this the same strip mall with a liquor store?

"The students who choose to walk home do it on their own. They do not have to cross 75th if they take the bus home. If the parents want to ensure the safety of their child they need to insist that the student rides the bus home."

Not always. Sometimes kids get a detention and miss the bus. Sometimes kids have after school activities such as athletics and miss the bus. Sometimes kids are just kids and are not paying attention and miss the bus. There are lots of reasons why kids could be walking home from school. The teachers know this, the school administrations knows this, the parents know this, the police department knows this.

I understand your argument here, but how do you propose the kids who do not live by Lincoln get home after school. There are a number of kids who do not live within walking distance who still seem to make it home safely. The parents are responsible for getting their kids home (pick them up, car pool, etc). It should be no different for those who live on the far side of 75th. If I remember right the original argument was that the school system needed to build a bridge. While I agree that safety is currently an issue the school system in not responsible for the building the bridge.

The situation on Bailey is getting worse by the day as drivers are deserting 75th St. as it becomes an absolute nightmare.

The city needs to do a study about installing stop lights on Bailey and Oxford. At least 24,000 vehicles are using the Bailey Expressway.

The city is willing to install crossing timed lights at every intersection in downtown for the drunks from out of town. The downtown always gets whatever they want from City Hall. But residential neighborhoods get nothing even though kids and their back backs are being hit by cars speeding on a highway in a residential neighborhood...only in Naperville!

But will do nothing for neighborhood kids who need to cross Bailey Expressway to visit the shops across the street. A tragedy is waiting to happen.

This may be my final warning to the city that a Stop Light is needed immediately for this 24,000 vehicle a day new expressway. If we have a 25 million lawsuit for the death of a child, I will remind the city that I warned them right here on the Sun Blogs which we know they read first thing every morning.

Gladys: Buy a Glock, learn how to and when to use it. When the driver enters your garage, you hold the driver at gun point and call the police. But you must remain in your garage and naturally, you can only fire if you are in fear of your life. However, merely being armed in your garage will most likely resolve aggressive behavior by an intruder. You got off lucky this time. YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS GOING THROUGH YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD NOW seeking a way around construction delays. 75th Street is a main freeway through the entire County. Hopefully you at least filed a police complaint. What is the beat down all about? It is going to get worse there as the construction expands, it gets hotter out and people become more impatient while traversing the area through residential streets. Although I think the police do a good job as usual, too bad thay cannot be everywhere all the time. When I attended Lincoln in 1967, it was a year old. 75th Street was a two lane highway. Also, there was the blinking school speed light and speed zone similar to the one on Mill Street slowing traffic at Mill Street School. We had a crossing guard to assist us across the street before and after school. And there were not 45,000 cars a day or whatever traveling in the area. The City and County since it is a County highway, have completely foresaken the children attending Lincoln. The idea is to bus all Lincoln attdendees north of 75th even if they reside

Mark... Please do not credit me with the rambling post about downtown traffic, bar pedestrians, and public urination. This was posted by Stop Light on Bailey and Oxford.

A day in the life on Bailey Road, ahem, Bailey Highway.

It’s been 3 weeks of construction now at 75th and Washington, and life as my family once knew it is over. I dismissed the incident of the car clipping my son’s backpack on his way to Lincoln crossing Bailey at a 4-way stop sign with a cross walk – he wasn’t hurt or scared. And the beat down that took place across the street last night COULD have happened anywhere, I suppose. But the incident today after school is portents of things to come, I fear. My son was playing basketball in the driveway and his ball rolled into the street. A driver, exceeding the posted 25 MPH signs and admittedly not paying attention, hit the ball and popped it. No big deal, happens every few years, right? Right. But it didn’t end there. The driver felt my son was in error ( the adult neighbor who witnessed it says otherwise) so she stopped her car, got out and approached my son. After verbally scolding him in the parkway, she followed him. Followed him up the driveway, which scared him. Followed him into the garage, which really scared him. So, he hid. She then came to the door, and into my house looking for him. I got her outside and did what any mom would do – I protected my cub and scolded her for speeding and not paying attention in a residential neighborhood. My kid’s still a little shaken – who follows you into your garage to continually scold you? Crazy people, that’s who.

I was at a meeting last week where the city and the police addressed parents of Maplebrook and Lincoln. They are working hard to keep our kids safe – the police have made their presence known in the neighborhoods since the construction started. But people who get tickets aren’t embarrassed, they are mad and crazy. So crazy that after they are ticketed, they start taking pictures of the intersection with their phones from all vantage points. I see all of this now, because I am back out front with my kids as they play with their friends. I’ll keep you posted on what the crazy people do next.

By Anonymous on March 22, 2009 9:45 AM
"The students who choose to walk home do it on their own. They do not have to cross 75th if they take the bus home. If the parents want to ensure the safety of their child they need to insist that the student rides the bus home."

Not always. Sometimes kids get a detention and miss the bus. Sometimes kids have after school activities such as athletics and miss the bus. Sometimes kids are just kids and are not paying attention and miss the bus. There are lots of reasons why kids could be walking home from school. The teachers know this, the school administrations knows this, the parents know this, the police department knows this.

Go up on Bauer between Mill and Washington and you will find a school zone with flashing yellow lights on timers and all kinds of signs and a marked crosswalk in an area that isn't even close to the the Mill St school so that kids can safely cross Bauer.

Go over to Lincoln and there are no warning signs on 75th street. There is no school zone along 75th street. There are no flashing yellow lights on timers indicating a 20 mile per hour zone along 75th street like on Mill Street. There is no pedestrian cross walk across 75th street. The city traffic department turned their back on Lincoln students and threw them to the wolves to fend with traffic on their own and not one single piece of traffic safety equipment in their favor. This is simply unacceptable.

This is an accident waiting to happen. And this is just one example of many public and private and parochial schools all throughout the city that are not clearly and properly marked as a school zone. Children are going to be struck by cars. Children are going to be killed. The responsibility for the failure to provide safe zones around each and every one of our schools is the responsibility of the city traffic department and they simply are not doing their job. The city traffic department has made a conscious decision that the movement of cars on the roadway is far more important than the safety of our children when they are walking to and from school.

Ever notice the traffic department when they are out looking at a roadway or an intersection? Yeah, they have well marked vehicles and all kinds of flashing warning lights and high vis vest so that they have basic visibility and protection from being struck by a vehicle while they are "at work". Our kids don't have any of these protections at all.

I find it rather interesting that D203 gets blamed for everything.

I'm sure there are those in Naperville who think AIG, Citibank, and Bear Stearns were caused by the D203 School Board.

In one blog D203 is too cheap, in another they get accused of spending too much.

You D203 haters really crack me up!

Jerry at 12:19,

Holy cow, did your post make a sharp turn! I didn't realize that we had to choose between enforcement of traffic laws or being subjected to hordes of Napervillians urinating on the Riverwalk.

Who in their right mind really wants people urinating in public? I mean, there's no such thing as urinating on the Riverwalk "in privacy."

Yeesh.

Jerry,
I don't drive while on my cell phone or speed. Sorry, that was a wrongful assumption on your part

But the Bailey area by Oxford and downtown are 2 areas where people cross streets without looking left or right. They just cross and look later.

It is so bad downtown that I drive 15 miles an hour upsetting drivers behind me. These people going to bars or coming out of bars don't cross on the white timed walking lights. They criss cross anywhere. And as hard as it may be to believe they honestly don't look much of the time.

Try to experience a drive on Friday or Saturday and get back to me.

Yes, I have had to slam the brake several times driving 15-25 miles to avoid hittig a pedestriation. And the reason I never ran any over yet is because I was going VERY SLOW! Thankfully!

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PS. Sadly the Naperville Police Dept. has given up on pedestrians crossing in the middle of the street rather than at a lighted intersections. They are more interested in arresting someone urinating at the Riverwalk in privacy because he or she could not hold it anymore. What damage does this person really do to society? Should he pee on himself or herself if they can't hold it anymore and there is no open public restroom in sight. Some older people can't hold it as easy as they did in their younger years. Animals urinate on the grassy and dirt area of the Riverwalk all the time. The affect on the area is the same whether an animal or homo sapien urinates. Someone getting run over by a car because the police are not enforcing street crossings should be given priority over urinating on dirt and grass areas in privacy. If he or she urinates on a building, sidewalk or car by all means arrest him or her. Common sense is lacking with some members of the Naperville Police Dept. Or maybe they are desperate to meet quotas set by Chief David Dial. I am really not sure.

A bridge over 75th street for the students of Lincoln Jr. High is nothing new. This is a D203 problem and if D203 wasn't so cheap it would have been built a bridge to protect it's students long ago. Just like the Garden Plots, D203 wants something for nothing. How long will they wait before a student really gets hurt? Cheap, Cheap, Cheap!!!

This is not a D203 problem. The district is not responsible for building a bridge on a public rodeway. In fact they have no rights to build that bridge. In fact the district pays for a school bus for lincoln students who live north of 75th. The students who choose to walk home do it on their own. They do not have to cross 75th if they take the bus home. If the parents want to ensure the safety of their child they need to insist that the student rides the bus home.

If you need to SLAM on your brakes you are driving way too fast anyway and/or not paying attention. Get off the cell phone, drive 25 and be alert from side to side. It is a simple concept of being a safe driver. So slow down and pay attention!! The accident waiting to happen will most likely be caused by you. The responsibility relies on you and not blaming construction and detours. I have driven Bailey/Clyde/Waxwing/Olympus regularly for years to and from work every day. The traffic increase south on Olympus is noticable in the evening to the light at 75th, but not much worse than when they have events at Lincoln. Other than that, not much of a traffic difference, at least now. The "Friendy Street Please Drive 25" signs are a nice reminder, but not if Stop Light on Bailey and Oxford is barreling down your road.

The reason Bailey has non stop traffic and is difficult to cross is it is lacking a stop light on Bailey and Oxford. This is a very busy intersection in a high density residential area that is being poorly served.

It is one car after another from all directions. The only way you can cross Bailey is be a speedster willing to dodge vehicles and risk your life.

With Bailey taking the brunt of the 75th St traffic for 18 months, Bailey and Oxford has become a nightmare intersection backed up all the way to the Fire Station because of the stop sign on Oxford. Do our city officials ever get out of their offices and actually check traffic during rush hours?

Let us get a stop light on Bailey and Oxford. Even before the 75th St construction it had 12,800 vehicles per day. It seems like traffic is now 25,000 vehicles per day due to the closing of 2 lanes on 75th St. No one is going to use 95th St when Bailey is only a few blocks away and cross from East Naperville all the way to West Naperville. No one is going to use Hobson as it dead ends on Washington and will get you nowhere. Installing a stop light on Bailey and Oxford will help traffic flow and give kids time to cross the street. It will cost less than one tenth of building a bridge across Bailey. Pedestrian Bridges are too expensive and not practical or realisitic except in exceptional cases.

An accident is waiting to happen in that densely populated area loaded with apartments, condos and townhomes. Kids are constantly trying to cross the street to get to the 7-11 and I have had to SLAM on my brakes one to many times.

Let us save a child now...not after the child dies!

I have also saved my letters to City Officials and will give them to the attorney of the first child run over. It is time to be pro-active instead of re-active to tragedies.

You know why there is such a problem???
It's because there are only a few streets in this poorly planned city that go completely east/west and north/south.

This is what happens when you do not have a city grid of streets.

Poor planning, very poor planning!!!

A bridge over 75th street for the students of Lincoln Jr. High is nothing new. This is a D203 problem and if D203 wasn't so cheap it would have been built a bridge to protect it's students long ago. Just like the Garden Plots, D203 wants something for nothing. How long will they wait before a student really gets hurt? Cheap, Cheap, Cheap!!!

Do I THINK there's a problem? You bet there is.

I live in Maplebrook II, and the traffic is really horrific. Bailey is very bad, and Olympus, near Lincoln Junior High, is even worse. The potential for a serious injury and/or fatality is there.

I'm not a person who typically throws scorn at government officials, but I have to say that Marcie Schatz's comments in the Sun article are disgusting. I'm honestly appalled by her seeming indifference to the concerns of my neighbors. Yes, I'm sure traffic is higher on Naper, Hillside and Plainfield-Naperville roads, but does she really think that traffic can compare to what's happening on Bailey, Clyde, Waxwing and the other feeder streets in our neighborhood? What's wrong with her?

If temporary speed bumps and newly timed traffic signals send traffic elsewhere, then go ahead and enact similar controls in those areas. But for heaven's sake, don't sit there and do nothing and wait for a child or senior citizen to be hit by a car. Show some responsibilty.

Pedestrian safety around our school is not going to improve until both the City of Naperville and the School District start working together for the safety of our children.

Let's get back to the basics on pedestrian traffic safety. Lincoln Junior High School doesn't even have the basic school zones established on the all of the streets that surround the school. It is obvious that the City of Naperville considers movement of traffic on 75th Street to be more important than pedestrian safety.

There are many, many other schools around the city that do not have ANY school zones established on the streets that surround the property. No school zones for Naperville Central High School. No school zone for Naperville North High School. No school zone for Neuqua Valley High School. No school zone for Ss. Peter and Paul Elementary School. No school zone for All Saints Academy.

It is only a matter of time before a child gets struck and probably killed crossing Naperville North High School. All year long children coming from the housing areas north of the school have been running across Ogden Avenue to enter the campus thru a gate left open around a fire hydrant. The other day someone finally closed and locked the gate without obviously giving the students any warning and for a couple of days motorists had to deal with them walking up and down the center turn lane looking for another "hole in the fence".

Naperville North administration is not doing it's job to monitor the safety of it's own campus. The administration isn't outside before or after the school day to monitor what pedestrian students are doing. The Naperville Police department isn't doing its' job either to monitor traffic and pedestrian safety around the schools and to communicate it's observations and findings to the school and the city traffic department.

However, the schools and the police can only do so much. The vast majority of responsibility falls on Marcie Schatz and Steve Cope who have consistently refused to address these kinds of problems. Over five years ago I started writing to Marcie Schatz and Steve Cope asking them to look into these glaring student safety issues and despite everything everyone says about "kid friendly" Naperville these two ducked the issues and gave poor excuses why student safety around these schools was not being addressed and improved. Steve Cope actually defended much of what currently exists with lack of compliance in terms of existing state laws to his personal disagreement with those laws.

See the interesting part is that a motorist is only speeding if the city establishes a school zone. The police can't ticket you if no school zone is established. While there is a state law that requires a school zone around every public and private school there apparently is no one responsible for taking action against a city who fails to establish such zones. So our children are caught in a lose-lose situation.

Rest assured though I have kept copies of all the correspondence between myself and Steve Cope and Marcie Schatz that goes back several years. If and when another Naperville child gets struck by a car in a school zone and is injured or worse you can be comforted by the knowledge that a copy of all of my correspondence will be going to the attorney that ends up representing the family. I will do my civic duty and do my best to help establish a clear case of "wanton and willful disregard" against both of these two individuals as well as the City of Naperville.

If the people we entrust to keep our children safe on their way to and from school refuse to do their job, refuse to do their duty to enforce the laws of this state, and refuse to take a conservative approach on even questionable or marginal situations, and when these people sacrifice pedestrian safety over vehicle traffic flow then I guess that the typical approach of learning the errors of their ways through a very painful and expensive litigation process is going to be the only thing that will work to remedy this situation. And it is a horrible, horrible thing that one of our children is going to have to be a sacrificial lamb to start this process in motion instead of just decent, honorable civil servants doing their best to prevent it in the first place.

First of all let's not rush into something that hasn't been studied. It seems that everytime we have some neighbors chanting a slogan for something that probably will only benefit them, the city starts thowing tax money at the preceived problem. If it's a good idea and cost effective than do it. Otherwise forget about it! In any event I don't see rushing into something with closed eyes. Is the city going to build pedestrian bridges accoss every busy street in Naperville?

The intersection was almost perfect. They should have left it as it was. It only had minor delays during Friday rush hour. If they would have extended the left turn lane heading west by eliminating the the 20 foot landscaped medium that could have made a world of difference.

And we could have saved 7.5 million dollars in these dire economic times. Our city officials always need to find a way to spend taxpayer money like drunken sailors and they never fail.

People could navigate crossing the street when it was 5 lanes. Who the hell is going to be able to cross the streets when they become 9 lanes in all directions. That is insanity. Of course we will need a bridge. That will cost another 2.5 million dollars.

Total cost to widen the intersection that did not need widening will reach 10 million dollars when you factor in a bridge. That is enough money to build a 10 story building that would generate 1 million in revenue for the taxpayers and ultimately reduce taxes. But drunken sailor do not know how to invest....only spend. spend and spend taxpayer money.

Naperville is not growing anymore...so why are we expanding streets and intersections. Makes no sense to me. The city estimates that traffic will increase from 55,000 to 75,000 is pure specualtion based on nonsense information. Traffic does not increase when there is no room for growth in a fully developed city. This is just about drunken sailors needing to spend hard earned taxpayer money on pet projects.

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