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On Tuesday the City Council was set to consider pursuing a new ordinance that could lead to evicting Scott Huber from his home on the sidewalk in front of the Central Parking Facility on Chicago Avenue.

Huber has been living in that spot for the past eight years, and insists he is not in fact homeless but is living there as a form of protest against actions he feels deprived him of his home and employment.

Though he is not known for bothering passersby, some residents have complained of his presence to the city.

Do you think Huber should be forced to move?

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Yes!! Good by and good riddance.

Yes - he should be gone

I was at the Council meeting and heard Scott Huber speak in his defense. It's clear that he's not quite right, but I was impressed how well he spoke and his demeanor. Council was very respectful especially the Mayor who seems to have known him for years.

They did vote to enact the ordinance, so we will see. He's actually been there for 8 years, I'd let him stay.

Anonymous @ 12:26 a.m.
I disagree - Your primise seems to be that he should be allowed to remin because he's relatively well spoken and has been in place for some years. I don't think that's enough. He's occupying city owned real estate, paying no rent or utilities, and simply shouldn't be allowed to do so.
If he wishes to continue to stage a protest of some sort, he can surely spend his days or evenings in that location, though you'd think something closer to city ahll would make more sense, but living there? I don't see why anyone thinks that's acceptable.
I don't have an problem with the guy, I just don't think that anyone should be allowed to reside on a city street, and I don't find the 'protest' element changes any rights to do so.

He's not protesting anything, that's just a rational he's using and playing the city for fools. Remove him and his junk from our sidewalk.

T.B.

We pay TREMENDOUS taxes to live in downtown naperville. When Mr. Huber pays the taxes that I do then he can live downtown as well.

Yes. I am far from without compassion for Scott but how is it that he gets to live on public property and avoid paying taxes? Tax him like you do everyone else and I would feel differently.

So how much is Scott paying in taxes?
We need to pay our taxes in order to live here.
The free ride is over. Good bye Scott!

Leave him alone or buy him a home!

Finally. The city and its residents have been VERY patient, to say the least. I personally know of 2 business owners that have reached out to Scott, trying to help and provide employment/housing. All to no avail. Good luck to you Mr Huber. I hope you seek the professional help you need and get back on track.

If Mr. Huber truly believes he has been a victim of an unjust system and truly believes this is a legitimate form of protest, then let him be. This has been going on for such a long while. I for one am surprised that there has not been more people setting up camp next to him. Protesting their ideas of what is unjust in their personal lives. Taxes on gasoline here, while in some states the price of fuel is 50 to 60 cents less per gallon. M-m-m-m- where did I store my camping gear? I wonder if this sidewalk is taken? Can`t set up camp in the city park or can I? I know they close off access to the forest preserves at dusk. I`m certain all of the areas citizens can find something to protest. Let`s have a camp out and alert the media to give us coverage and show how understanding the city truly is.

I say let him stay. It adds character to an otherwise fairly dull suburb. Besides, it's not so bad to use him as a way to expose our otherwise sheltered children to the fact that most people in the world do not live the lifestyle we do in Naperville.....

"YES", Scott Huber should be removed from living on the sidewalk downtown.

I don't think it's right for anyone to be allowed to take up permanent residence on a public sidewalk - let alone for eight years.

I don't understand why Huber feels the City of Naperville 'owes' him in the first place. If Scott Huber has a gripe against the City of Naperville, he has a right to express it. He can get an attorney, attend City Council meetings, pass out flyers, go door-to-door for signatures or any other peaceful means of protest. Taking up residence on public property should be against city ordinances if it isn't already. What I've always wondered is: where does he get the electricity for his laptop and lights and whatnot? Who pays for that?

To clarify, you really can't "evict" someone who is homeless!

Anyway ---- of course he s/b moved off of the sidewalk/streets of Naperville. What would happen if 20 or 30 of us decided to join him along Washighton, or Jefferson, etc.?

We all know the outcome: we would be either shooed away or arrested. He should be treated no differently just becuase the Mayor knows him, or Chief Dial knows him, etc.

The SUN article seemd to confuse issues a bit and wavered between his own comments of saying he was NOT homeless but was a protestor, and other citizens being quoted as saying he should be treated special because he is homeless! Sorry, but it can't be both ways.

Scott, if you are out there monitoring this, please post in. Have I accuratley stated the facts?

Let him stay. It is his right. If the people of Naperville are so outraged by his presence, then chip in and help him out.

Mr. Huber should be removed from downtown Naperville.

He may have a legal right to waste his time on public sidewalks, but he is clearly loitering and defacing public property by building his temporary home-away-from-home at the most important intersection in downtown Naperville.

Quite frankly, I'm ashamed that Naperville has allowed this public nuisance to continue as long as it has. As a person--and as a city--we only get one chance to make a first impression. Mr. Huber's behavior at the intersection of Washington and Chicago does not portray the true potential and vitality of Naperville.

Would we allow another 100 people to set up shop in a similar manner all over town? I doubt it. Therefore, his performance is obviously a sanctioned token act, albeit one of very poor taste. It has become a backfiring joke, which demeans the true plight of homeless and abused people in this town. I wonder if he realizes that his behavior is doing more harm than good for the very people and causes he pretends to support?

In my opinion, he has been allowed to perform his one-act-play for much too long. He made his point (and yes, I get it) but it is time for this fine city to move on.

Arrest him, so he can get 3 square meals a day in an air-conditioned jail, but it is high time to run his act out of town.

It is time that we move that freeloader off our streets. We in Naperville are a target for people looking for handouts. Everytime someone has an idea for a needy group they bring them to Naperville and we give our personal money, tax dollars, food and street corners to them. Times are tough all over Scott, there are alot of people living in Naperville that have it tough and have been treated unjust by the "system". I refuse to park in that parking structure because of you and your hump of crap.

Move ON!!!

We shouldn't be too hasty.

After the next, and larger round of:

*foreclosures (50% of mortgages upside down by EOY 2010)

*bank failures

*bail-outs for hedge funds and bankrupt unionized companies

*Government led assaults on small business (who provide 70% of all jobs, but are not unionized and don't have lobbyists to "share the wealth in DC")

*layoffs (private sector unemployment rate at 17% and rising)

If the FEDs continue to help, we may all be living in tents along the river walk and taking showers at the Y or some sort of shelter.

Perhaps the City can get ahead of the curve and install showers at what's left of the Garden Plots on West Street and we can turn it into a Bush-Obama ville.

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Well it's about time! He should have been sent packing a long time ago! He violated every City code possible! No proper running water,plumbing,improper electricity,no smoke detectors and health violations! And what about paying property tax! Yes he could have been told to leave a long time ago because of vagrancy! He and his set up were an eye sore to the downtown area! Time for him to move on and get a place to live! Try the YMCA or go back to where he is originally from (like Lemont)!

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!He should leave for good! How about if every Naperville resident sold their homes to avoid paying taxes and utilities and set up tent villages throughout Naperville Parks and and open fields! What would happen then???

Go to Hinsdale,Western Springs,Oakbrook and other well to do suburbs and would they allow this or see this! Hell no!!

Is there room on the new LaCrosse fields?

8yrs is a long time - has anything he's protested changed?

I kinda feel for the guy, yet - I think he could
ruffle more feathers elsewhere... with a sign that
says; kicked outta Naperville

good luck Scott

Yes!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally!!!!!!!!!!!

This guy isn't a disadvantaged homeless person. He's a squatter on public property. He has constructed a dewlling complete with a generator, heat, computers, and other amenities not normally associated with the homeless. On many days he probably has more cash in his pockets than most of us. His location is stragetic; he's across the street from a popular bar and directly in the path college students and parking deck users use to travel to downtown Naperville. He happily accepts handouts from the naive college kids and the inebriated bar traffic who feel sorry for him. He's capable of holding a job (I've worked with a lot of people wackier than Huber), and he could be in his own home. Instead he's set up a camp on public property where he pays no rent and avoids taxes on the money and gifts he receives from well-heeled passers-by. Don't feel sorry for him and don't condone his actions by allowing him to stay.

Yes. The city's lack of action in removing this man's belongings from a public sidewalk is appalling. Even more ridiculous is that it may take a vote in the Naperville Sun to get the city to "possibly" take some action to evict this man.


By Anonymous on August 19, 2009 12:36 AM

I was at the Council meeting and heard Scott Huber speak in his defense. It's clear that he's not quite right, but I was impressed how well he spoke and his demeanor. Council was very respectful especially the Mayor who seems to have known him for years.

They did vote to enact the ordinance, so we will see. He's actually been there for 8 years, I'd let him stay.


Fine if you feel this way, take him into your home then!

yes, Scott Huber should be removed from the downtown Naperville sidewalk. His protest has been heard. He should not be permitted to live for free in downtown Naperville! It's not fair to the rest of the Naperville residents who pay taxes to live here. Plus, it's not a good image to the many visitors who come to town.

Moving him does not solve the problem - just because you can’t see the problem does not mean that it’s gone. What ever recourses the City, county or State has, please use them to resolve this mans homelessness. If he want to continue sleeping in a box, that will have to be up to him. As long as he does not bother or disrupt, leave him alone. Too many in Naperville think that they should not have to deal with less fortunate citizens. What's the solution? Move everyone that makes less than $50,000/year to Chicago/Cook County?

Yes, it is not an eviction, he doesn't have a home. Get his lazy ass off public property. His mere presence scares kids, he smells and is filthy and disgusting.

Yes, Mr. Huber and his trash needed to go 8 years ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What a joke that the residents had to deal with this eyesore for so long. I lived in Chicago for years so I am used to homeless people in my old neighborhoods. I never saw them building a permanent structure, setting up a generator for a laptop and blocking the sidewalk. Now a patio umbrella. This is silly. Mr Huber needs to pay property taxes for that permanent structure! And what a mess! Yes, it is a mess for the environment! The lanscaping that our taxes pay for is being destroyed by his structure! What if you were disabled and needed to get your wheelchair down the sidewalk? Does his permanent structure have the right to block the disabled? I agree, all Naperville residents should set up tents/structures around downtown to avoid paying taxes/utilities. Move along Scott, you have worn out your welcome!

We should let him stay for a number of reasons: 1)The fact that Naperville has tolerated this for so long, when others would not, demonstrates the special small town caring character that those others have unsuccessfully tried to emulate. What would Mayberry have been without Otis Cambell?; 2)it shows we have have the confidence to accept others with unique qualities, including those with subtle psychological deficits; and 3)the legislation seem to target one person who has never harrassed or harmed anyone.

When my family eats or shops downtown, I encourage my children to ackowledge his presence as a person and we give him a few dollars to buy food. I try to teach them what I was taught as a child, "..whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do unto me.." Christ

Yes, he has over stayed his welcome!! Naperville residents need to email the mayor, city council, Chief Dial and the city manager's office to keep this moving.

What an eyesore!!!!!!!!!!

yes, Scott Huber should be removed from the downtown Naperville sidewalk. His protest is a ruse. He should not be permitted to live for free on the public way.

It speaks volumes that one individual with apparent mental health issues is able to take the Naperville Police Department AND the Naperville City Council to the point of paralysis.

What are we paying the high taxes for?

Its ridiculous to allow a person to live on a city street in a tent w/a generator etc. as a sign of protest/homelessness or whatever. When I wrote to Chief Dial about Scott he said Scott wasn't doing anything against the law. So if the police hands are tied we must press our City Council to change the laws so this camping out on public property is unlawful. Since Councilman BOB FIESELER said NO to the proposed ordinance, lets remember his name when re-election comes up.

I love that all the people in Naperville can worry about the 1 homeless person (or protestor) that lives downtown. Happy to know that you have nothing better to do.

IF Huber were a true homeless person I would probably feel somewhat different. The fact that he CHOOSES to be homeless changes my outlook on this exact situation quite a bit. What has changed in my outlook in this situation should not be considered as a lack of understanding or compassion towards the plight of those who are truly homeless, especially those who are homeless against their will.

Huber has been holding a personal grudge of sorts against the NPD and the city because he was allegedly evicted due to unpaid bills of some sort years ago. This sort of misplaced anger and irrational thought should be considered within the context of Huber's overall current mental health picture.

It will be interesting to see what the wording of the proposed statute allows or does not allow. Hopefully there will be enough flexibility and compassion allowed within the wording so as to not make life on the street unnecessarily difficult for those who find themselves in the predicament of being homeless and especially when they are trying to do something to remedy the situation. On the other hand those who voluntarily choose to be homeless and want to ensconce themselves permanently upon public property have no legal right to do so much less to start nibbling around the edges of the situation by creating a squatters shanty.

There are a myriad of economic, social, and medical issues surrounding the topic of homelessness. Hopefully the city council will be guided by compassion and understanding and seek to find a solution that isn't too restrictive while not allowing any one person to openly flaunt or exploit a situation, especially one of there own choosing.

You are all ridiculous, snobbish, and absurd. Calling a human being an “eye sore” is quite preposterous, maybe your 1.5 million dollar homes are an “eye sore” to the rest of society knowing that your money could’ve done much better things like assisting this individual rather than sticking your noses in the air and proclaiming he has no rights. I have grown up in this town and can tell you probably everything wrong with it, your kids they smoke weed, they drink, just like kids would that grew up in the inner city. This idea of calling this man’s life an “act” is grotesque, do you see any major metropolises telling the homeless people to get up and leave, to be honest if I were homeless I wouldn’t want to be in downtown Manhattan I’d want to be in a nice little suburban downtown. He is living logically according to his surroundings and financial abilities something maybe some of you should try.

Greg Laubenstein if you like him so much let him set up his tent in your backyard or better yet live in your house!

Jim Lawlor do you live in Naperville! If so let Scott move in with you if you are such a Christian! Amen!

For starters, the Sun and the Daily Herald should stop doing stories on Huber. The editor should go to Scott, and tell him that no matter what else happens, his name won't appear in the newspaper. It's sad that too many people even know his name. But, when he finally does get evicted, I'm sure the Sun will do a week long story on the life and times of Scott Huber.

He needed to go years ago. Although, if the city won't keep people from living on their property, maybe I should just start building a new house right next to Centennial Beach. What a nice piece of property that would be...

"Dread Scott!" I think Scott Huber is getting special treatment because I really can't see Naperville allowing ten or twenty more like Scott downtown, nor should it. His message is a "nut case" political one. Besides, he is portraying himself as something that he is not, and that is a person that is down and out with no resources. Even though he does not ask for money, I actually gave him twenty dollars one cold night thinking that he was down and out. I guess the joke was on me! As responsible and compasionate citizens we should be looking for ways to take care of the truly needy, but this is clearly not the case with Mr.Huber.

He should be allowed to stay, he isn't causing trouble and he has become a tourist attraction

I voted the way I did last night not in solidarity with the cause Scott Huber is protesting, but because laws that are passed to apply to just one person are invalid. Like it or not, the facts of this case are bad for the City: documents show that this ordinance is being enacted because of Huber, the City's inaction for all these years gives him an plausible basis to say he's entitled to stay where he's been, and Huber's conduct is consistent with the 24/7 protester he says he is. The courts, in my view, will invalidate this ordinance, and we will have made Huber a cause celebre, we will have made Naperville look like a bunch of elitists who can't handle even one homeless guy among us, and we'll have spent a lot of time, energy and money on a futile effort. As I said last night, this type of ordinance should have been enacted 10 years ago or wait until after Huber's left voluntarily. If you thought the Furstenau case was a waste, wait for Huber v. Naperville. And yes, you should remember Bob Fieseler at election time, when we'll all be asking why the City ever took this on. Peace, ~Councilman Bob.

I'm going to put up my tent and live outside of Chief Dial's office window! Who wants to join me!!

Kyle if he's not causing trouble and is a tourist attraction,let him live on your front lawn as it would make your house famous and you can charge a fee and be on T.V.

The United States Code contains the official federal definition of homeless. In Title 42, Chapter 119, Subchapter I, homeless is defined as an individual or homeless person which lacks a fixed, regular, and adequate nighttime residence.

Seems to me a man with a generator and a tent like structure lives better than most our Soldiers do. If his accommodations are better then our soldiers, he must have adequate nighttime residence. I deduce that he is clearly is NOT homeless.

That being said, I cannot believe that our city ordinances allow tents to be set up on public property for an extended period of time. There is a difference being homeless and setting up camp. I am not saying don't allow the homeless in our communtiy....just the campers. He can sleep in his favorite spot every night....just take down the tent PLEASE.

OK, I don't know what the rules/laws are on this. However, if he's been there for years, I'm thinking he has some sort of "squatter's rights" to that little plot by now!

Absolutely!!! What if 100 people decided to live on the streets downtown Naperville? No one should be allowed to do so.

I find it pathetic that most people are against this man for no solid reason.
He's an "eyesore"? Every time I walk past him, I see a human being. A guy just like the rest of us who just happens to be hanging out on the streets. The real eyesores in this town are all of those parties where your kids are smoking and drinking and wasting their lives away. If I were a tourist I'd be much more disturbed by the fact that these well-kept, rich, Naperville kids are breaking the law and ruining their lives in a town that from the number one place to raise children than a man who takes up a corner of the street due to his own free will.
Not only do you say this man is an eyesore, but your only other argument is that he doesnt pay his taxes. The man lives on the street, he doesnt utilize any of the services or programs that are funded by taxes, so why should be have to pay them? I'm sure he's paid tax on his laptop and all his other stuff, so you cant say he's cheating the system entirely. Not to mention the fact that even if there was no tent in the corner of the street, it would make no difference to any of you. If he wasn't there that area would only be used for your drunk kids to urinate in the middle of the night. If you're going to complain about the property, find a legitimate way to use it before unnecessarily sending this man packing.
Lastly, the only response I've seen to anyone who has defended this man is "if you dont have a problem with him, why dont you invite him to live in your backyard?". I must say that is an extremely childish remark that accomplishes nothing but to show that you have nothing to say against his defenders. I challenge you to please find a real way to refute any defense of this so called "eyesore". Besides, I'm sure you all would still find a way to persecute the innocent when you find that your neighbor actually did let him set up shop in their backyard.

The average home in downtown Naperville has been there less than 5 years, and the average current homeowner has only been here about 2. My assessment is that Scott has lived where he is now longer than virtually any of the snobby newcomers complaining about him.

Naperville used to have a friendly, small-town, caring attitude, which is sorely lacking these days, thanks to all the snobby newcomers. They are destroying precisely the caring values that made our town a desirable place to live in the first place.

As far as I am concerned, if all the snobs in the big houses (who bought in knowing full well of his existence) don't like his looks, THEY SHOULD BE THE ONES TO MOVE!

By Councilman Bob on August 19, 2009 3:29 PM
As I said last night, this type of ordinance should have been enacted 10 years ago or wait until after Huber's left voluntarily. If you thought the Furstenau case was a waste, wait for Huber v. Naperville. And yes, you should remember Bob Fieseler at election time, when we'll all be asking why the City ever took this on. Peace, ~Councilman Bob.

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For the most part I agree with CM Bob. Acting 8 years late is utter nonsense by those in charge. Acting against One Man, looks very bad.

I can't stand seeing Scott Huber down there....it is the biggest eyesore in all Naperville. He is obviously more upset than ME regarding actions and inactions of the City of Naperville, but he should challenge his anger through this blog site as I do. It works. We got an article on heroin, we are getting another one soon and hopefully we can end the Cover Up on Heroin in Naperville that is in place for the purporse of winning the title of "Best Place to Raise Children." We also just had Omnia defeated just as the majority of bloggers wanted. Thank you Council Members and especially CM Bob who I feel is one of us...down to earth and in touch with the masses.

As far CM's remarks about the cost of this legal case being a WASTE, I could not agree more with Mr. Fieseler.

Please provide the final cost to the taxpayers of the Furstenau Case, Mr. Fieseler, and then I will remember you at election time and push for your election on this blog site and elsewhere.

My estimate, based on what I read in the Naperville Sun is $1.5 million. Am I close to the real cost, CM Bob?

And please don't write and say we don't have an actual cost after this case has been dismissed about 2 months ago with minor technicalities resolved last month. All the legal bills have been or should have been received and/or paid by now. We have a finance dept. in the City of Naperville and a few accountants I assume...I hope...don't we???

As you may or may not know the records of cost on the 10 year Napergate Trials have never been released to the residents or even ultra conservative Opinion Sun Editor Tim West.

It may be too late to dig up the records for the cost of the Napergate Trials, but it is certainly not to late to be told what the Furstenau Dismissal cost us taxpayers.

If this dismissal cost us about $1.5 million as I suspect, when factoring in the pro rata share of the in-house attorneys who also worked on this case, one really has to wonder what the Napergate Trials cost us that reached both the State Appellant Courts(3-0 against City) and the 7th Cirucit of Appeals(2-1 against the city.)
Two out-house "big shot" Chicago legal firms were used in the Napergate Cases as in the Furstenau Case to assist the in-house legal crew. (There were no conflicts of interest in the Napergate Man Trials so I have never understood why the 9 person in-house legal dept. could not handle it at the time without the use of expensive out-of-house law firms.)

In fairness to Mr. Bob Fieseler, bloggers have to understand that in no way was he involved with the Napergate Mess. He was not on the city council and was not employed in any capacity by the City of Naperville to the best of my knowledge.

I am very thrilled to see CM Bob in opposition to a Naperville vs. Huber legal battle. No one wants World War III. Let us hope we can avoid it at all costs!
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Councilman Bob,

I applaud you for looking at this objectively and I agree with you. The shame is on Naperville if they do this now and it will be an ugly lawsuit because it's documented all over the place this this is specifically targeted AT this one individual with the purpose of removing HIM.

I have copied the wording of the City Code regarding loitering to supports prohibiting the behavior of this individual or anyone else who chooses to act in that manner on our city streets. It reads as follows:

"1.Definitions: Definitions under this section shall be as follows:

LOITERING: Remaining idle in essentially one location and includes the concept of spending time idly; to be dilatory; to linger; to sleep in a public place; to stand around and shall also include the colloquial expression "hanging around".

PUBLIC PLACE: Any place to which the general public has access and a right to resort for business, entertainment, or other lawful purpose, but does not necessarily mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public. It shall also include the front or immediate area of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern or other place of business and also public grounds, areas, parks or schools. (Ord. 73-93, 11-26-73; amd. 1984 Code)

2.Prohibited Acts: It shall be unlawful for any person to loiter, loaf, wander, stand or remain idle either alone and/or in consort with others in a public place in such manner so as to:

2.1. Obstruct any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building by hindering or impeding or tending to hinder or impede the free and uninterrupted passage of vehicles, traffic or pedestrians.

2.2. Commit in or upon any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property or with any business lawfully conducted by anyone in or upon or facing or fronting on any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto.

3.Violations: When any person causes or commits any of the conditions or acts enumerated in subsection 10-2-1-2.2 of this section, a police officer or any law enforcement officer shall order that person to stop causing or committing such conditions or acts and to move on or disperse. Any person who fails or refuses to obey such orders shall be guilty of a violation of this section. (Ord. 73-93, 11-26-1973)"

Councilman Feissler? We haven't seen the ordinance that staff will draw up, but doesn't the fact that the city code was written, and has been in place since around the 1970's blow your theory that any ordinance to prohibit behavior like this is only directed at this one individual? It will be directed at anyone who chooses to behave in that manner. I think any ordinance that is written should be for the entire city, and not just the downtown area. We don't need tent people along Ogden, Route 59, or anywhere else in Naperville.

My understanding is that many of the homeless are in that state due to mental illness. Many people with mental illnesses cannot function as normal adults without medication. Unfortunately, part of their illness is that they often do not perceive themselves as being ill, and will not take medication, even if the alternative means living on the street. Is Scott Huber one of these people? I don't know, but his words and actions do not strike me as rational.

We can kick Mr. Huber out, but that does not mean he will go back to an apartment or house somewhere. Chances are, he'll move to some city that is more accommodating of the homeless. The "problem" won't be solved; it will just be swept under the rug. And, as Councilman Bob says, we may get a lot of negative publicity as a town that doesn't care.

-JQP


By Anonymous on August 19, 2009 4:28 PM

Lastly, the only response I've seen to anyone who has defended this man is "if you dont have a problem with him, why dont you invite him to live in your backyard?". I must say that is an extremely childish remark that accomplishes nothing but to show that you have nothing to say against his defenders. I challenge you to please find a real way to refute any defense of this so called "eyesore".
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Childish remark? I think not. That is a darn good comeback to the defenders who seem to have no problem with everyone in town having to put up with a mentally unstable person camping on public property. Yet, those same defenders don't seem to want him camped out in their front yard. Step up to the plate Anonymous, show us how compassionate you really are. I am sure all your neighbors would be thrilled to have Scott's tent in your front yard.

I think it is horrible to allow our children to see such homeless people! In Naperville we hide the real world so well! I don't want MY children to see reality! He is an outrage! I have to go now and buy my daughter another cell phone because her old one doesn't have Internet access....bye!

He is an educator for our "blind youth". They have no idea what life is like in this town. WE should pay him as if we are going to a museum.

Thank you Southwest Naperville Taxpayer! The voice of reason!

I agree! Lets leave politics and personal attacks on the Councilmen out of this topic as they have nothing to do with this issue! It's about removing Scott so lets do it once and for all! And there is no basis for any type of law suit if Scott is sent packing as it's Napervilles right to do so!

Not Sybil thank you for your support on my comment!

Childish remark? I think not. That is a darn good comeback to the defenders who seem to have no problem with everyone in town having to put up with a mentally unstable person camping on public property. Yet, those same defenders don't seem to want him camped out in their front yard. Step up to the plate Anonymous, show us how compassionate you really are. I am sure all your neighbors would be thrilled to have Scott's tent in your front yard.

True, the guy is probably crazy and most definitely full of it with the "8 year long outdoor protest" bit and needs to go somewhere more practical but part of being a decent human being is showing sympathy and empathy for those less fortunate than you. A lot of people in Naperville suffer from the illusion that they are good people based on their incomes or husbands income, inheritance, etc.

Why don't one of the many churches in the area help the guy out? I bet most (if not ALL) of the people who are showing the least amount of compassion belong to some of said churches, I'm quite sure jesus was a champion for the poor.

Yes, please evict this man. He has made his point.

I totally agree with the museum comment. His life is a fact of life and our children should see that not everyone has a mcmansion, Iphone, etc. etc. etc. I would much rather show my children this man, and have them see those graphic abortion posters along the street.

Brian, help has been offered many times in 8 years. Scott doesn't want help and has turned it down. He chooses to blatantly break the loitering ordinance and needs to be cited and removed.

On a lighter note, I did find it humorous when Scott tells of being peed on from the upper level of the parking deck. HEY DUDE!! it's raining!! Gotta love college kids.

This man is not poor and is homeless by CHOICE....so he is not technically homeless.

He is protesting but he does not realize the City of Naperville does not cave in that easy. He must not be aware of the Furstenau and Napergate Cases. Obviously, also the City must have thought wrongfully that he would cave in. Who could have ever thought Scott Huber could have lasted 8 years in this manner. According to police I talked to he is not allowed to lie down and sleep. He must be in a sitting position. They do not bother him if he is sitting up even though he is dozing off.

At this point, I think the city is asking for a lawsuit if they evict him based on a new ordinance directed towards him.

They should evict him based on existing old statutes that covered this kind of behavior. Plus, they should only evict him ONLY after they present the case to a Judge and get his blessings, and stamp of approval to take action.

If the City can get the blessing of a Judge, Mr. Huber will not be able to sue anyone. If the Judge makes a RULING, his ruling is off limits to a lawsuit. Judges have very unique and total immunity...much more than prosecutors.

But if the Judge does not rule to force Huber off our sidewalk, we need to respect that and Huber's right to remain as unsightly as it may be. We could buy him a pretty tent instead of allowing him to use worn out filthy old plastic for a tent.

In other words, let us put this in the hands of a Judge and out of the council's hands who are very likely to screw this up royally and cost the taxpayers lots of money.

JQP's comment is IMHO on the right track.

Questions that come to mind are:

*Does Huber have a right to live on the sidewalk?

*If Huber is not entirely competent or incompetent, what is the compassionate thing to do?

*If Huber is not entirely competent, does the state have a right to force him into shelter, medical care, medication and essentially make him a ward of the state?

*Does forcing him off the relatively safe sidewalk place him in considerably more dangerous location for outdoor living?

*What is it costing to keep him on the sidewalk, and what would it cost for the state to keep him?


SW Naperville Taxpayer - In reading through the current ordinance that you so kindly posted, it is obvious that Huber isn't breaking ANY current laws. "Loitering" itself is not prohibited. It is only forbidden to prohibit another person's access to a public place or to interfere with legal business being conducted.

The Naperville City Council is also forbidden by the Constitution of the United States of America to pass a law written obviously to attack one specific person. The law will eventually be struck down on appeal, of course, but it will make Naperville look more like Mississippi Burning than anything else.

Scott Huber is not the most unwanted citizen of Naperville on my list... far from it. If the goal is to remove a nuisance that interrupts our lovely city, let's start by banning the fundraising that blocks traffic on Brainard and Chicago Avenue pretty much every weekend in the summer. I think it is silly for the city to go to such great lengths to boot him off of the sidewalk. And by the way, wasn't the headline in the Sun today (calling Huber the most unwanted citizen in Naperville) itself a personal attack?

I do support the city proceeding slowly and carefully on this and any other similar cases. A nut job like this is more than likely going to try to sue us for all he can for some kind of infringement on his "rights" and God only knows there are enough ambulance chasers out there who will be more than willing to represent him for 50% of what they can blackmail and extort out of the city coffers.

As for Councilman Bob he simply doesn't know what the heck he is talking about in terms of not being able to write a law specifically for one person. If history is any kind of litmus test for this there are hundreds of laws that have been written in response to the nefarious actions of a single person. Only in the last decade has the actual naming of such laws after specific people come into vogue with the most recent great example being "Drew's Law" coming out of Bolingbrook. While one person might precipitate the law or the circumstances that indicate it was needed the important point to remember is that once passed it will apply to anyone and not just be limited to that original person. If Councilman Bob does not understand politics or the law any better than that then he already has a very long uphill climb awaiting him with the coming election.

I remember a good number of years ago the ending of old Pickles. He too lived on the streets of Naperville. Not downtown on a sidewalk but in a little shed at the rear of someones yard off Ewing St. as I recall. One night, the entire thing burned up by what was thought whatever he was using to keep warm. It appeared he was in it, forensic examination concluded he was and he was very well dead. As a young kid growing up in town, he was a fixture. You would see him all over. He mowed city property for the Parks and Parkway Dept. before there was a Park District. He like Huber have something in common. Most homeless people are either subtance abusers or have serious mental issues. Pickles was a chronic drunk. The whole protest thing is a red herring. There is something wrong with Scott. He like old Pickles belong under the care of the Illinois Department of Mental Health. A compassionate society and government would see to this. I would hate to see Scott burn up some cold night because people think as long as he is not bothering anyone, what harm is he causing?

Leave it to naperville to evict the one guy not making six figs a year! naperville needs to suck it up and accept that they're not perfect, far from from it accually. yeah sure, you have a homeless dude, SO WHAT!!! go walk the streets of chicgao and see how many people complain!
Naperville- "A nice place to live"....unless you're homeless, THEN GET OUT!!!

I previously offered my opinion with a number of reasons why the city should not evict the homeless man. When I checked the blog many hours later, I noticed someone naming himself "bfife" (who seems to be obsessed with this issue and repeatedly attacks anyone wih an opinion contrary to his) wanted to know if I was a Naperville citizen.
Yes Mr. Fife, I have lived here almost 20 years and have paid betweeen 150k and 200k in property taxes to this community. So does that entitle me to have an opinion?
I respect your right to your opinion, but not to make foolish irrelevant personal attacks against everyone who disagree with you.

Childish remark? I think not. That is a darn good comeback to the defenders who seem to have no problem with everyone in town having to put up with a mentally unstable person camping on public property. Yet, those same defenders don't seem to want him camped out in their front yard. Step up to the plate Anonymous, show us how compassionate you really are. I am sure all your neighbors would be thrilled to have Scott's tent in your front yard.
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Thank you for proving my point? The statement of yours that I bolded only supports my claim in my original post("Besides, I'm sure you all would still find a way to persecute the innocent when you find that your neighbor actually did let him set up shop in their backyard."), which was the only segment of that paragraph you left out. No matter where this man goes, whether he be on a street in downtown or in my front yard, people will have an issue with it. Therefore, having him move onto someone's lawn will do nothing other than change the scenery of the situation, the argument will still be the same.
And I still don't understand how that's a "darn good comeback". That statement offers no compromise or solution to the problem at hand, because as you and I both said, people wouldn't be pleased if he set up shop in a front yard.
Next, "everyone in town has to put up with a mentally unstable person"? As far as I know, there is a decent amount of people who show no distaste toward Scott, therefore not everyone has to "put up" with him. Secondly, I'm not sure what there is to put up with. He doesn't bother anyone, he sits in his tent and minds his own business, and does not interfere with the lives of residents. He may step out of his tent for the occasional protest, but that is merely his right to free speech. You cannot deem that a nuisance and shun him simply because he takes up residence next to his place of protest.
And I ask you as to where the idea of him being mentally unstable came from. As far as I know one must undergo a psychiatric evaluation before being labeled as mentally unstable. And I doubt that you are a psychiatrist who has ever taken the time out to talk to this man. The only support you have to defend your claim is that he denies help or assistance. Where I come from, we call that independence. Not mentally ill. Is it possible that he is mentally ill? Maybe. But until he is evaluated by a psychiatrist, there is no support to back that claim. So please stop insulting the man until you have medical records to support your claim.
Lastly, it's not about compassion. My opinions are based upon apathy. Does he ever talk to me when I walk past him? No. Am I ticked off by the sight of his tent just because its not as neatly constructed as the Barnes and Nobles next to it? No. Do I have any better ways utilize the space that he occupies? Nope. Does his presence harm me or affect my daily routine? Not at all. Therefore, I could care less where he chooses to stay. If he decided to camp out in that corner of my backyard that I haven't stepped foot in since the day I moved in and never plan on using for some other purpose, I could care less. As long as he allows me to carry out my day and my life without interference or disturbance, he can do whatever he wants to. The only reason this man is such a controversy is because the image of a homeless person seems to be the only physical reality that goes against the idea that Naperville is such a high class, safe environment. For the past 8 years this man hasn't affected commerce or day to day events. It is pointless to waste time and effort on evicting a man who has no negative affects upon the way you live your life. Time would be much better spent improving and attending to those issues that lower the quality of life, rather than lowering the outward stereotypical image of our wonderful town.

Glock,

I remember Pickles! I never knew what happened to him and it's sad that his life ended the way it did.

I agree with your comment that Scott Huber should be under the care of the Illinois Department of Mental Health. If living on a public sidewalk for 8 years isn't loitering and is 'allowed', then we as residents should consider ourselves fortunate there are not more like him - choosing to live on the public sidewalks of our town because they have a beef with the city/county/state/government or whatever! Isn't his behavior indicative that he doesn't seem to be functioning clearly? The City Council should have handled this years ago. As stated above, technically he isn't homeless and he is living on the sidewalk 'by choice'. He does not want the help that has been offered him. He has elected to live there... free of charge.

bfiffe...

I'm going to put up my tent and live outside of Chief Dial's office window! Who wants to join me!!
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Well just remember if you walk between the bushes and a car hits you because they were "careless" they'll be at fault...because of course people come walking out between bushes right in front of your car all the time.

Who is he harming?

If businesses say they are being harmed, I believe Chicago just put in some ordinance or something that if a business requests pan handlers to leave the location they have to. I've seen officers recently requesting this of some so they get shuffled around. What has that accomplished? I'll tell you some of them are mighty talented and draw in business but Naperville has no pan handling anyway & he is not asking for money.

Hmmm perhaps he could be a new reality show? Or used for another "What would you do?" show. They did have a homeless person episode actually.

http://abcnews.go.com/WhatWouldYouDo/

For those saying "well then you let him camp out on your lawn" what is more important is why wouldn't you do it? Where is your compassion and heart? Makes me wonder...if Jesus did walk this planet again with the face of a homeless person what he would find & quite frankly he is suppose to be in all of us so...makes me wonder if Ghandi sat there (of course he traveled) or hmmm if we get the Dali Lama would that make a difference? Where is Richard Gere maybe he'll help or get Clooney would that make a difference???! If this man looked more hygenically sociable does this make a difference? Why? If he was a woman? A Teen? If he had some bigger social cause and not just his own cause?

You all act like he is the first person on this planet who chooses to live on the streets and refuses help. He is not. If he were mentally ill to a point where he was harming himself or others then there would be no question of forcing assistance, but I don't believe from what I'm reading this is the case.

I'd be interested in knowing what was his protest on the unpaid bill? What was the issue? If he was evicted from his building for not paying rent(?) what was he protesting there? How much of an effort has the city made to listen to him initially and what was their response to his point of view?

Now see...

Who is it harming? Give me a break...it scares your child because you have not explained to them what it is all about so they are not scared. Same thing with explaining to children how to respect all human beings!

http://news.aol.com/article/italian-mayor-bans-burquini-from-town/630709?icid=main|classic|dl1|link6|http%3A%2F%2Fnews.aol.com%2Farticle%2Fitalian-mayor-bans-burquini-from-town%2F630709

Maybe we should set up a committee and address his grievnaces. I have spoken to Scott Huber 3 or 4 times and he seems to have his bearings working and everything fastened on quite tightly.

He always tells me to visit his web site. I told him he should be on the Naperville Sun blog site where he can promote his cause better.

(Does anyone know what his Web Site address is? I never have a piece of paper and by the time I get home, I usually forget the address.)

He states to me every time that the City of Naperville screwed his business and life. Why are we discounting that this may be true?
He believes in his cause and suffered like no other human I know to bring attention to his cause going into his 9th year soon.

I think City Officials should get into some arbitration hearing and settlement with him to get to the bottom of whatever happened.

I am against him being in the downtown for his sake and our sake. No one should have to live on a sidewalk in negative 40 degrees Farenheit. No one should have to sleep in the upright position 365 days a year. Last time I saw him he seemed like he aged 16 years the last 8 years.

He is respectful towards everyone no matter how they treat him. The only thing I think is a little odd about him is that he truly wants to be Mayor one day. He always asks me to vote for him. Maybe this is just another form of protest as his chances of being Mayor are not realistic. Of course if he did become Mayor he could sleep on the sofa in his office and would technically have a home finally.

Vote for Scott Huber to be the next Mayor and he will live in Peg's Palace. He will be the King of the Palace.

(For those who do not know the Napergate Man called City Hall, former Mayor Margaret(Peggy) Price's Palace and the police station the Taj Mahal. He had believed at the time when the town was much smaller that they spent too much money on both these projects which did seem quite extravagant at the time. With all the teardowns and McMansions built to replace them since then, they seem to melt in quite nicely these days with their surroundings unlike Scott Huber's home-made dirty plastic tent/cover and gas smelling beat up generator.)

A few years back when my preteen sat on a bench by Barnes & Noble, Scott verbally attacked the group until they got off "his bench". Those kids did not feel that he was harmless. Note that those benches were removed probably in an attempt to displace Huber.

I say, let the city erect a public bulletin board where he can post his legal protest and get him off the street. There is also a guy living up in the E. Ogden Ave. area who has been known to scare people by sleeping in their backyards. Help is available but the mentally ill or substance abusers usually don't want it so all the comments about Naperville residents not being compassionate toward the homeless fall on my deaf ear.

Why doesn't Mr. Huber live on the sidewalk in front of the public works department? Because he receives a benefit from living where he does, a benefit that is created by the city, NCC and business owners who invest time and money to create amenities that attract the people Huber wants to see.

This is not about compassion. It is about someone who is exploiting a loophole in existing laws for his own benefit.

Is Scott Huber incapable of further work to support himself, if in fact something happened to cause him to lose his business back in the day?

If he did have difficult circumstances, it's unfortunate but we all have faced challenges that require a change of life plans and go on. Especially in these times, how many of us are getting by without making adjustments, if not total life changes? Rule number one--life is not fair. I simply do not think as CIJ does that the city of Naperville should arbitrate a settlement with this man. There are services available. Help with housing? Halfway house? Education into a new self-supporting lifestyle?

It's a game. I know that there may be emotional or mental issues here, but it's still a game played by a man that for whatever reason does not mind living outdoors for many years, or in a tent or whatever. If he has the intellect and skills to survive outdoors in a tent for this many years, he has the ability and intellect to survive and make a living somewhere else that does not disregard loitering laws.

Perhaps I missed it.

Does anyone know Huber's exact complaint/s against the City of Naperville, if that is in fact what he is protesting?

If Huber is reading this, please give me the concise complaint.

Thanks

When I moved to Naperville 3 years ago from small town Arizona, I was shocked by the lack of diversity. Sure it's beautiful, one of the "best cities to live in the U.S.", safe, , etc., but it's also boring, benign, cookie cutter and predictable compared to the other place I've lived in the western US. Seeing Scott on the sidewalk was one of the few things I saw that gave me a sigh of relief that there is a tarnish in this Stepford "perfect place" even though most ignore that nonperfection exists everywhere. Non-conformists make this world a more interesting place. Despite opinions on Scott paying or not paying taxes or whether or not his living on the street is justified, the world outside of the Naperville bubble is a richly diverse and exciting place. Many of us may vaguely know our neighbors and maybe interact when convenient, but Scott has been a conduit for people to interact outside of their comfort zone. I applaud Scott for being an opportunist and pushing the limits of issues that Naperville has been ill prepared to acknowledge. Naperville and downtown businesses are not going to pot because of Scott. Kids are not going to be ruined for life seeing him live this way. Anyone who refuses to park in the parking garage or not go downtown because of him needs to look in the mirror at the elitist person looking back. If you choose to live in a bazillion dollar house and pay high taxes, go for it...it's your choice. Living on the sidewalk and not pay taxes is his and so far, with no consequences. It's time now instead of dictating what image people should portray in Naperville to allow each person to empower themselves and be personally responsible for their own lives. PS Just so you know, my husband does not agree with me, but thank goodness we can disagree on many subjects and we find common ground :) If we agreed on everything our life would be boring and it's anything but.

This is not about one man and those who claim it is, just want to gain attention by acting as if they want to join a good cause. This is about FAIRNESS. FAIRNESS to all citizens of Naperville. FAIRNESS to all taxpayers of Naperville. FAIRNESS in the application of laws. Instead, we have discrimination and lack of fairness. It is sad that we can't find the existing laws or won't enforce them consistently. This is about fairness.

-FAIRNESS-can everyone build their home on public streets, with the benefit of paying no taxes? On August 19, in this paper, our Chief of Police admitted that the "members of the Police Department and others in our local government are well aware that his lifestyle is offensive to some and his living arrangements have been taking up an increasing area of public sidewalk". Gee, sounds like a nice admission to use when Huber claims ownership of the land through adverse possession--open and notorious and everyone admits that he has been there for years. When he does claim ownership, does the city have to bring water and electricity to him? Will we be liable?
-FAIRNESS-when does he and others have to pay taxes for his "living arrangements"?
-FAIRNESS-Does his "living arrangement" meet the multiple city codes that all other builders have to follow, or are they arbitrarily enforced?
-FAIRNESS-Has he and others paid all the fees required to build a "living arrangement"? Or, will we just raise taxes to make up for the difference? After all, all those people that build those "McMansions" that we love to ridicule and sneer at will keep paying more and more taxes. HINT: They won't. They are leaving and soon all that will be left to support the tax base(i,e, salaries and pensions of our local government, if the city can afford them) will be the original "McCottages" and they will paying dearly to keep the services and salaries we are accustomed to, or we will continue to remove services.

Again, smoke and mirrors. This is not First Amendment; this is FAIRNESS in the application of laws and common sense.

If I am wrong, please publish the residential addresses of all the elected officials so that we all can choose our new tax-free "living arrangements"--We know they are supportive. I like Chicago Avenue, but I prefer quiet tree-lined subdivision streets, and I want the right to pick the school that I don't have to pay for.

The sad part is that Naperville is on the downslide. Our kids will have to live with the result of actions taken(or not) now. Huber is not the issue. It is fairness and people are tired. If you want residents to pay for a ticket to watch the game. Play by the rules, or you will have no one at the game. Good bye Naperville. Please turn off the lights when you are done playing.

By Long-Time Resident on August 19, 2009 8:56 PM
"SW Naperville Taxpayer - In reading through the current ordinance that you so kindly posted, it is obvious that Huber isn't breaking ANY current laws."

LTR, Please re-read the code:
"It shall be unlawful for any person to loiter, loaf, wander, stand or remain idle either alone and/or in consort with others in a public place in such manner so as to:
"2.1 ...tending to hinder or impede the free and uninterrupted passage of ... pedestrians.

"2.2. Commit ... upon any ... public sidewalk... any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property ... facing or fronting on any ... public sidewalk or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto."

On more than a few occasions I have been walking west on Chicago Avenue, with pedestrians walking eastbound toward me, when I have had to wait for them to pass, and/or make evasive maneuvers around the campsite to avoid contact with it, or other pedestrians trying to walk on the sidewalk. I have also witnessed similar situations many times. Loitering in a tent on a public sidewalk qualifies as a violation of the code. That sidewalk is not for loitering, it is for the passage of pedestrians. It is not an appropriate site for any individual, or group, to live in a makeshift home for years and years.

When ANY of the conditions of the code is committed it is a VIOLATION. If the Municipal Code is law, then any individual camping on Chicago Avenue is breaking the current law. It violates both 2-2.1 and 2-2.2, as shown above. If the Municipal Code is not sufficient for enforcement, maybe the ordinance they draw up will have the necessary muscle.


His protest is an entirely different issue than his living on the street (or sidewalk, in this case).

Whatever did or didn't happen to his business is a matter for the courts, not the sidewalks of Naperville (or any other city).

The fact that out idiots in charge (Council & Cops) have "allowed" Scott to do this for 8 years is a statement on them, not Scott.

Councilman Bob ---- shame on you for all of a sudden telling us how dangerous it is to create a new ordinance for him!!! The simple fact is that we already had ordinances to prevent it, and you have had some time now to act on it and YOU didn't. So, don't do preaching to us now about it.

After all of this, though, it is crystal clear it is time for Scott to go back home. Thoce of you who believe it is okay for him to stay ---- I encourage you to open your homes, or garages, to him.

What if we all decided to clutter our beautiful streets with this mess, which he has provided?? I hate even walking near him or parking in that lot. Enough is enough!!! Get him out of there. He has no more right to that sidewalk than the right I have to walk there. N.A.H.

I AM THE PROTESTER OF WHICH YOU SPEAK!!!

As time permits I Will be responding to each and everyone of your comments in this blog so please take note and beware!

I will respond here and republish my responses at www.chicagotribune.com/huber or www.flickr.com with a search on "scott m huber" in quotes...In both cases click on my portrait of approximately twelve years ago before the worst of Hell broke out in 1997!

For starters let me respond to the "Moderator" comments...

My presence is not a home at 75 E. Chicago Avenue in Naperville any more than those on the strike line spoken about here...

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

Thus an "EVICTION" would be a violation of 1st Amendment Rights et al. to strike and protest just like they do in the link above 24 /7!

The term "living there" is subjectively interpreted as I am "living there" no more than those in the link above at their strike / protest site 24 / 7. I am a one man operation and have no one to relieve me so I am here 24 / 7 and otherwise could take up my abode for living elsewhere! Obviously I have to nap and sleep at times to regenerate as any human does….just like some in the strike on their lawn chairs at the link above!

A strike is usually in an observable and well placed location to get awareness of the issues just like the strike in the link above is located at the Gates of the Boeing plant on a public way!

This should give you a sampling of the "Paul Harvey" on this issue...more to come!

Scott M. Huber
“The Protester”
8-20-09
11:17 AM

What if the city passed an ordinance that all of the sidewalks downtown needed to be cleaned on a weekly basis? This cleaning would mean that nothing could be set up that interfered with the cleaning equipment - therefore Mr. Huber would have to move his tent at least on a weekly basis? The cleaning could be done once a week at 6 AM and on various days. It wouldn't force him to leave, but it would impact his ability to set up shop by requiring him to relocate at least once a week. Similar to a snow ordinance for parking, the sidewalk ordinance would be for cleaning.

Downtown Chicago has cleaning equipment that an operator stands behind similar to a very large snowblower. The city council could even claim that a cleaner sidewalk is a safer sidewalk and pass it in the name of "Safety" just like they did with the red light cameras. Mr. Huber may get tired of having to move once a week. Heck they could even clean every day if they thought it would make for a "safer" sidewalk. After all, our council is all about safety!!!

On a more serious note there have been a number of laws enacted "in reaction" to and because of a single event. Stoplights, signs, "Megans law", Drug free school zones, convicted child molesters registering, etc. While Mr. Huber doesn't fall into these categories, each of these laws were done for what was claimed to be the "greater good", but primarily enacted due to an event that the municipality / government deemed requiring a law to solve. While this Naperville law is directed at Huber, it will remain on the books and be used for anyone who violates the ordinance in the future. Whatever you think of the council, I believe (hope) they have advice from attorneys that they are on solid legal ground.

It does seem ironic that we have an "anti cruising" ordinance to primarily prevent teenagers from cruising the streets in their cars. Now we will have a law that prevents them from simply standing idly around.

It's not a strike! It's being a nuisance and you are living on the street! I'm all for protest! Get a room some where and protest all you want in Naperville!

Does Mr. Huber pay for his wireless access or is he stealing service?

His "protest station" stinks and smells and likely violates health standards.

I agree with southwest Naperville tax payer! By Long-Time Resident please reread the ordinance! Scott is breaking the loitering ordinance!!

Citizen Investigative Journalist:

"(Does anyone know what his Web Site address is? I never have a piece of paper and by the time I get home, I usually forget the address.)"

There's not really a simple address to get to his site; you have to visit flickr.com and search, which brings up a bunch of other pictures of him that aren't from his site.

Here's his "blog," which is really just a Flickr photo description and a lot of comments posted by him. It's lengthy but worth a read for background info and insight:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@N08/2370191842/

So instead of actually listening to anything this man has to say about what Naperville is trying to turn itself into, the city decides that suddenly now they feel the pertinence of getting rid of a lone voice dissenting about their steamrolled development.

Naperville is just a community that prides itself on charging money for its "whites only" experience. Everyone who doesn't subscribe to its limited view of what consititutes community apparently can't be part of it. I'm embarrassed to tell people I'm from there.

To CIJ 8/19 @ 5:01p - The cost to the city for outside legal services to represent the City in the Furstenau case was $1,081,211.27. That amount doesn't represent the value of City staff time spent on the case. (And let's not let this thread get all tangled up with rehashing the Furstenau case.)

On the applicability of the present anti-loitering ordinance (see Anonymous 8/20 @ 10:25a), I have no problem with enforcing existing laws & regs. But the police and legal have said for 8 years that they can't be used in this situation. My problem is with passing a new ordinance under the present circumstances. We should do it right if we're going to do it at all.

If this ordinance is tested in the courts, it will be cheaper to just buy Huber a home, but he's unlikely to go away even then because he really does believe in the correctness of his grievances. Later, ~Councilman Bob.

How wrong you are james! Numerous people I have spoken to from out of Town find Scott and eyesore and embarrassment to Naperville! Go to Hinsdale,Western Springs,South Barrington and you will not see a Scott living on their streets! Gosh even in Bolingbrook you will not see this!!

Naperville has listened patiently to Huber for eight years. What is different is that many citizens are asking why Huber is allowed to create an encampment on a city sidewalk. 75 e. chicago isn't a plot of land that Huber owns. Your characterization of Naperville as for "whites only" is a cheap shot that in no way reflects the ethnic diversity.

Time alone doesn’t justify further inaction; it’s merely an indicator that the city has been tolerant to a fault.

One could argue that this isn’t an ordinance aimed at one person, but an ordinance for which one particular person has demonstrated the ordinance’s need. While it may affect Huber, it’s also an ordinance to prevent this from occurring again (and again and again and again…). Sometimes it takes an incident to spark necessary action.

How many Huber’s would justify the ordinance, CM Bob? Five? Ten? Twenty? And if he packed up and left tomorrow, would you argue that precedent has already been set on this issue?

As for the 1st Amendment argument, nobody’s saying Huber can’t protest (even 24/7). If he wants to do it, he can knock himself out. BUT, he has no right to live on the sidewalk. Go to the YMCA or PADS at night and protest all you want during the day. Just get your crap off our sidewalk.

Before the newspaper articles, did anyone know that Huber was protesting anything? No. I would think that someone legitimately protesting something would want to get their message out. Huber’s just smart enough to know that if he throws out the 1st Amendment argument he can stall any city action against him for fear of litigation. Ten bucks says Collins will be representing Huber soon.

And for all of you complaining about the “eyesore” comments on this thread, I think most (if not all) of them were directed to Huber’s camp, not at Huber. I have no problem with Huber wandering the streets protesting whatever he wants, but he has no right to set up camp on public land.

T.B.

Things are looking bleak for Naperville's iconic Scott Huber and it would behoove you to stop by quickly, before it is too late, and introduce yourself.

Mr. Huber is unequivocally part of the fabric of Naperville and does not deserve to be summarily discarded from his Chicago Avenue "place of residence". The vitriol of some for this person who harms no one, does not impede traffic, and even performs a civil service by tending the foliage along side his abode, is unwarranted. And he is He's a legal resident.

He asks for nothing unlike so many of the "privileged" of Naperville. I personally am impressed by his dedication and commitment to sustain his meager existence so unlike the typical Naperville "whiner". As a business owner in Naperville I salute Mr. Huber - something currently sustained by Naperville that doesn't cost the taxpayer an arm and a leg. Look Naperville, YOU BOUGHT your bell tower for millions so what is the problem with permitting a PERSON access to 20 square feet of UNUSABLE sidewalk?

Golly, what would Barry Obama say? Where is the liberal democrat compassion for another human being?

James on August 20, 2009 1:26 PM
Naperville is just a community that prides itself on charging money for its "whites only" experience.

I'm embarrassed to tell people I'm from there.
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did I miss something? I thought this Huber guy was White? He looks white from his picture.

How many other towns would let somebody live on their sidewalk for 8 years, not many? Instead of being embarassed why don't you explain to your people how Naperville's homeless guy actually has a laptop that he blogs from.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 20, 2009 11:23 AM
I AM THE PROTESTER OF WHICH YOU SPEAK!!!

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Mr Huber,
This is a very unique opportunity for you to tell your story and express your grievances. The time to respond and tell your story is RIGHT NOW....not later when you can make time...RIGHT NOW.

Please don't blow this unique opportunity that Moderator Chris has given you. He has put you in the spot light.

So write a few paragraphs and tell us your story. Tell us how the City of Naperville abused you. I know the City of Naperville is capable of abusing people as they did with the Napergate Man. But he told his story and won while you have never fully told your story and can not win if you refuse to tell it in PLAIN ENGLISH.

You can not put it off. You can not transfer us to other blog sites. We are here now and listening. You don't have to respond to each and every blogger. You simply have to tell us your story and why you feel you were abused...why you feel the City of Naperville screwed you royally....why you feel they made you take it up the WAZZOOOOO. We want to know what our city has done to you. I don't need to look at pics. I have seen you age right before my eyes. I am a regular in the downtown and know it like the back of my hand. I know where every vacancy exists. I know the police detail in downtown. And I know that your face has wrinkled before my eyes. I know you hair has gotten long and turned gray. This has to come to an end sooner than later. I feel for you, my friend.

You are obviously an intelligent man. I spoke to you 4 times and wanted to hear what your story was. You told me to check your Web Site out each and every time. I never did. I wanted to hear from you directly. Now is the right time. It is do or die for your cause RIGHT NOW....NOT TOMORROW...NOT WHEN YOU CAN MAKE SOME TIME FOR US.
Let us not be kidding each other. You have more time on your hands right now than most human sapiens.

Not only will I be listening but the whole town and every public official will be listening to what you have to say. The Naperville Sun will be listeing as well as our Moderator on this blog site. We as a community do care. We want to help you if you want to help yourself. We can not help you if you don't want to be helped.

Obviously you have some support in this town and no one wants another Naperate or Fustenau type trial or dismissal that will cost us taxpayers 7 or 8 digits. The city was broke last year with an $11.5 million budget deficit before it cut corners. The city has a $61.4 million pension deficit that is forecast to be much higher when the new numbers come out next month. We don't want you to sue us.

Please consider a quick arbitration settlement. Maybe we can convince City Officials to engage you in an arbitration settlement and to avoid a 3rd costly law suit involving rights of "abused" Napervillians. The city is in a weak negotiating postition after blowing millions and millions on the Furstena and Napergate Trials. The taxpayers will not tolerate another waste of taxpayer money so you have the City of Naperville cornered and more likely than not willing to engage you in a quick arbitration settlement that will end your sidewalk protest.

And for those who fear that we may be staring a precedent. I say have no fear. Who else is going to live on a sidewalk to protest 24/7 for 8 years. Scott Huber's protest is the most remarkable protest I have ever seen by a human being in the history of mankind. It deserves recognition in the Guiness Book of World Records.

And please stop calling this determined man homeless. He is not. He is simply PROTESTING. About what, most of us are not sure!!!

Please tell us, Mr. Huber, ASAP while the light is shining on you. It will not always be shining. Most people only get their 15 minutes of fame once. You are in the twilight of your 15 minutes of fame. Exploit it to the best of your ability and let the world know what Naperville did to you. I really want to know. I also want facts and evidence before I support your protest, if I choose to do so. I will not blindly support you just because of your remarkable one-of-kind enduring record shattering protest.

Don't miss this very unique once in a life time opportunity to tell your story to ALL of NAPERVILLE. The TIME is now and not TOMORROW.

Again, Moderator Chris has done you a BIG FAVOR. Take advantage of it. Please!!!

By Councilman Bob on August 20, 2009 1:46 PM
To CIJ 8/19 @ 5:01p - The cost to the city for outside legal services to represent the City in the Furstenau case was $1,081,211.27. That amount doesn't represent the value of City staff time spent on the case. (And let's not let this thread get all tangled up with rehashing the Furstenau case.)

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Thank you very much CM Bob. I think once we get answers it is so much easier to move to the next topic. No one in City Hall gives us answers but you.

Anyway, I feel my estimate of $1.5 million was in the ball park when you factor the amount of time City Attorneys worked on the case. Keep in mind outside attorneys have to consult with inside attorneys every step of the way.

I think we can rest this case by concluding the City of Naperville spent roughly 1.5 million on the dismissal of the Furstenau Case. At least we have a number. I am so very thankful to you especially after we never got a number on the Napergate Cases that reached 2 Appellate Courts before the City surrendered. My estimate on the cost of that case remains 10 million and I am standing by it unless someone can prove me wrong.

Finally, the point of all this was to be wise and avoid a Huber v. Naperville legal battle by realizing how expensive it could be based on historically similar cases that involved Civil Rights cases.

Let us move on since there is not a chance in a million that the City of Naperville would ever cough up the Napergate Cost Trial Records. Does anyone disagree? Let us move on and see what we can do to help Mr. Huber at minimum cost to the Naperville Taxpayer.

As CM Bob said it would be less expensive to buy Mr. Huber a home than test the constitutionality of an ordinance directed specifically against him. I do believe Mr. Huber would accept a home and an apology from the City of Naperville. Like I said I have talked to him 4 times and found him not only intelligent but reasonable. Let us hope he will settle for something less than a McMansion.

CIJ - I like your suggestion. I have also talked to Huber and found him to be an interesting and colorful character. Small towns usually take care of their own. Certainly Huber has been here long enough to qualify as "one of our own", and Naperville bills itself as having a small town heart.

Certainly there are a number of vacant homes in the area. Better for the City to buy one at auction and offer it to Huber in exchange for gardening services or whatever that he can provide. We need these services and we need the diversity he adds to our great community.

I think we should leave him alone quite honestly. Don't give him a home...he doesn't want one. If he wanted work he would have found it already. This is a point he is making and it looks like he has become quite comfortable with this grudge.

All of this news is just bringing more popularity to an already overblown situation, which of course I'm sure he doesn't mind. If I were him, I'd write a book on my experiences of living on that sidewalk and sell them (with a permit) at that location.

However, if you really wanted to see him move away, just invite some of the homeless folks of West Aurora to be his next door neighbors (or next curb neighbors) and I'm sure he will be up in gone in no time. Hell, they trash their own homes there--I'm sure they would pillage his place in no time, like they do their own 'Hood'

I know a good house in the Meadows subdivision that Huber can stay at...

What is Mr Huber's complaint? No one has said why he is protesting.

Uncle Buckeye wrote:

Golly, what would Barry Obama say? Where is the liberal democrat compassion for another human being?

What on Earth does Barack Obama have to do with this? Unless you know something the rest of us don't, he's probably among the 99.5% of Americans who are completely unaware of the issue.

Huber is manipulating and exploiting the good nature of some Napervillians and just annoying the hell out of the rest. It is actually kind of amusing to watch one person who is at least one card short of a full deck jerk the chain of an entire city government. There hasn't been anyone elected or appointed in 8 long years who has had enough balls to take any kind of action to resolve this situation. The City of Chicago would have dealt with this 7 years and 364 days ago and there never would have been a media circus like this focusing on one sociopath.

If Huber wants to picket or protest that is fine with me. That doesn't give him or you or me the right to bring an ever expanding load of crap to the picket line. Huber has the right to as much space on the public sidewalk as his two footprints take up... just like you or me. He doesn't get the right to park a load of crap in a public place and just take up residence. And it shouldn't take a courtroom full of lawyers to figure out the difference between a sham of a protest and someone who has illegally set up a residence on a public sidewalk.

I protested my fair share during the 70's and walked in plenty of protest marches and walked in plenty of picket lines. We never sat down, we never laid down. We carried signs and were vocal about the issue we were protesting. I've seen Huber many, many times over the years and what he is doing isn't picketing and it sure isn't protesting. He isn't doing anything to either effectively communicate his issue or work to find a reasonable and timely resolution. Huber wants to be a martyr and he wants to protest indefinitely. Anyone who is dumb enough to get sucked into playing this sick game deserves whatever they find themselves with after 8 long years of no good faith being displayed by Huber.

Looking at the city council, the police department, and the rest of the city staff it appears they collectively have suffered from analysis paralysis and have passed this disease among themselves, spreading it to everyone who got near this issue for the last 8 year. Like many other issues in the recent past this analysis paralysis is a direct result of the quality and quantity of legal advice being given to the city council and police department by the city attorney. When are the citizens of Naperville going to finally get fed up and demand a new city attorney? How many wrong calls does one person get to make, how many tax dollars wasted, how many settlement opportunities wasted, how many lawsuits lost before the City Manager finally says enough is enough?

hahah I am so glad I found this, If Scott is your biggest problem or even a mild concern you lack PERSPECTIVE. Do you understand that if you live in Naperville IL your living conditions are in the top 1% of people in the world. You act like Scott is living at the Ritz on your dime. How many cities/towns/villages/slums throughout out the world do think only have one homeless man/town nut? You should all be incredibly thankful for your circumstances because if you're honest with yourself there was a lot of luck and good fortune involved.

Scott, I can't believe you have internet access in your situation. I've never actually seen you though I live in the area. Scott this whole "protest" thing doesn't hold any water this isn't Tiananmen Square. A lot of people who are mentally ill don't know that that is the case; you should consider that to be distinct possibility after 8 years of this. You're only hurting yourself at this point Scott. You're missing your one opportunity at existence, this is it, and your throwing it down the toilet waisting the finite amount of time you have... for what? To carry on an imaginary protest against some bureaucrats in naperville...what did you expect, you moved to NAPERVILLE.

Thanks for the laughs. BOTH SIDES.

Speaking from a family with 2 people who work to help the homeless or near homeless he is doing a huge disservice to homeless people. Many homeless people have had an unfortunate series of events that lead to their lack of housing, and many try to get back on their feet by using community resources such as Loaves and Fishes or Hessed House/PADS in Aurora. There have been offers to help him find employment and housing and he has rejected them. At some point you have to help yourself and accept help from others. There is no rule that he cannot protest or advocate for the homeless (or whatever cause he wants) if he does not live on the street or if he is employed. I can only hope that since he is able to try and run for mayor and run Flicker sites, that he can read these posts and realize he is doing his causes more harm than good.

Holy cow there are a lot of pompous, over-indulged in their lives people who live in this town who have zero perspective on real life.

I've noticed that since I have lived here.

I've seen Scott several times. Who exactly is he bothering? Our lily-white Naperville image? Our Money magazine ranking? Still ranked right up there people. By some of these comments, you would think that this is the worst thing in the world. Trust me. There are many worse things in this town than Scott. And you can start with the entitled attitude too many in this city seem to have. Far worse than anything Scott is doing.

Brian above me makes a good point. Scott you only have one life. And it doesn't last long. Eight years is a long time. Please make sure you are living life to the fullest so you don't have any regrets after it is too late.


Anonymous August 20th at 6:03

Wow, I wish you would run for a city office! Common sense and brains to go with it! Thanks!! You have my vote!

The fact that people have to walk around his TENT to get into this beautiful town is reason enough. Give me a break, there are other more cleansly and appropriate ways to stand up for your 1st admendment rights...this is a slap in the face to the people who aspire to live in a town like Naperville and go about it the right way: by buying a house and paying property taxes. Boot Scott Huber.

Saybrook, Naperville


I find the "whites only" canard annoying, and wonder why it comes up so often regarding Naperville. The facts: Naperville is 81% white, compared to 92% in Downer's Grove for example. Yet I never hear about Downer's being "lily white" or some kind of racist town as is implied with Naperville constantly.

He's originally from Lemont and this is where he's from and it all started! Please go back there and live and protest!

bfife August 20, 2009 1:47 PM

"Gosh even in Bolingbrook you will not see this!!"

Ah yes, the "pretentious people of Naperville". If you live in Naperville you are apparently like Mary Poppins, “perfect in everyway”!
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John Q. Public August 20, 2009 4:47 PM

"What on Earth does Barack Obama have to do with this?"

The quote was: "Golly, what would Barry Obama SAY? If he were mayor would Barry permit the indiscriminate discarding of a human being over a measly 20 square feet? Would he tolerate the denigration and demeaning of someone so dedicated and willing to sacrifice so much to the instinct of survival? There are perhaps many things you can say about Mr. Huber but one of which that cannot be included is that he is with arms out stretched sucking at the teat of government like so many others of this country presently do. I think Barry would be supportive of Mr. Huber and his drive, determination and strength of character don't you?

Naperville: “this is your moment. This is your time. Your time to turn the page on the policies of the past. Your time to bring new energy and new ideas to the challenges we face. Your time to offer a new direction for the city we love”. Let us all be accepting!

We should celebrate the achievements of Mr. Huber! That’s what Barry would say. Right John Q!

To all the sympathizers and Scott lovers! If you love and care about him so much,I'll send him to your neighborhood and have him set up his tent on the park way in front of your homes to live!And guess what you will be the first ones to call the Police and complain,mark my words and don't give me give me any B.S. that it wouldn't bother you! I'm going to visit Scott on Saturday and I will give him $500.00 to move to the Scott supporters neighborhood if you have the guts to post your address!

Quoting Conscientious Observer on August 19, 2009 9:47 AM:

> I don't understand why Huber feels the City of Naperville
> 'owes' him in the first place.

I think we should determine /what/ exactly it is that we owe Mr. Huber, which depending on some of the specifics, might be substantial. Is he a victim?

Does anyone contend that he is the /biggest/ drain on public resources? Do we have proof that he is bad for business, or just hunches? Even if it's proven, are we accepting bribes to infringe a man's rights?

I think it would be good to acknowledge his claim; we ought to hear what he has to say. Has he made his point? I assume he wants us to know something. Do we know it? Is he doing us a service?

Will the ordinance outlaw what the world has done to him, or what he is doing to us? Are we taking sides with him, or against him? Is "the door" open to him? Is it costly to leave open? One can lead a horse to water, but one cannot make him drink.

Does the city act out of fear, shame, hate, and malice? Are we silencing a man, and covering our eyes?

Public property is scarce. I will share. Will he? I am flexible. Is he? Where is the boundary between his rights and mine? I can and will contribute to and participate in local society. I ask the same of Huber.

But my vote will depend on the letter and spirit of the law.

Uncle Buckeye for your information I work for Bolingbrook for 25 years and we never had a Scott in our Village nor would we have allowed it!

It's plan and simple,If Scott has a civil problem with the City Of Naperville government file a civil law suit and get your issues over with already or get out of Naperville!

As a thirty-one year taxpaying resident of Naperville, I definitely feel Mr. Huber should be asked to leave his "residence" in downtown Naperville and for that matter, Naperville as a whole. I totally agree with Ms. Margo Ely!
For years Mr. Huber and his "residence" have been an eyesore and a blight on the sidewalks of Naperville. Whoever let this begin and condoned it in the first place?
It is appalling that being a public nusiance and eyesore is what Mr. Huber feels is spending his time profitably and that by doing so he is benefiting society. He said he "came to Naperville from Lemont to grow his (electronics) business". Does he feel loitering, vagrancy, and doing nothing is the way to grow any business?
As far as Mr. Huber "taking care of the plantings in front of the parking deck", they were already being taken care of by the City's capable landscaping personnel.
When Mr. Huber's electronics business failed, he could have put his "ornamental horticulture degree" to good use by actively applying for and getting jobs in that field or he could have started his own landscaping business. Instead, he chose to sit in his hovel doing nothing and "protest Naperville".
It is doubly appalling to me that Naperville has been too squeamish to put a loitering, vagrancy, and panhandling law into effect long before this or to tackle the current problem long before now. SHAME ON US!
As far as Ms. Connnie Hill and Ms. Sue Brady are concerned, if they think Mr. Huber "is just part of the neighborhood" and that "he's like a fixture" they should move to what used to be the beautiful
and friendly City of Evanston, IL whose City Council let loitering, vagrancy, and panhandling take hold and see how they like living in a place that is being over run by people like Mr. Huber.
Naper31

bfife wrote:

To all the sympathizers and Scott lovers! If you love and care about him so much,I'll send him to your neighborhood and have him set up his tent on the park way in front of your homes to live!

Why would you do that? Unless you live in a parking structure, he's not currently living in front of your home.

Furstenau initially just wanted an apology. We did not give him one. We ended up spending nearly 1.1 million on out-of-house attorneys and approximately 400,000 on in-house attorneys rather than give him a simple apology. I suspect someone in City Hall has some regrets.

I think Mr. Huber had an electronics store on Ogden Ave maybe worth 25-50k. This is what I heard and not what I know factually.

He blames the city for the failure or closure of his electronics store....I think he refers to this as an eviction but I am really not sure...my information is mostly heresay heard on the streets near his strike zone from residents that claimed they communicated with him.

Maybe the city had to widen the street and indvertently hurt his business. Maybe during construction they killed his businesses as 2 businesses were killed durng the Bailey Bridge Construction. I really don't know what role the city paid in the demise of his business. Mr. Huber won't tell me even though I asked him politely 4 times. He is always vague and refers me to his web site. Maybe he is tired of speaking to so many people individually. That is why I am recommending he speak to all of us collectively on this blog site.

So if he only wants 25k or 50k, why don't we make a deal and just give it to him. As CM Bob said he is very sold on his cause and case. He is also as determined as the Napergate Man ever was....more if you ask me.

Why should we take a chance with Mr. Huber and end up spending a few million on a trial? Let us face it we know that a DISMISSAL cost nearly 1.5 million dollars. We certainly can not afford another dismissal let alone a real and lengthy trial.

I say let us consider arbitration and see where it takes us. Maybe we can settle for 25k, get him off the sidewalk and put this matter behind us. We don't want him there and I doubt he wants to be there this winter when the temperature dips below 40 degrees Farenheit.

The city council can not allow their egos to control Mr. Huber's destiny. They need to mind the taxpayers pocketbooks and wallets for once.

The City of Naperville has to get out of the mentality that it needs to win at all costs.

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My story is based on heresay...please give us the real story based on facts and evidence, Mr Huber.

By Kat on August 20, 2009 11:23 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist:
Regarding your suggestion that Mr. Huber tell his story here and clarify what injustice he is protesting, it would be a good idea but web forms such as this normally have a character limitation on posts, and I don't think he would be able to tell his whole story here.

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I don't think this web site has a character limitation. I have posted 3 and 4 page posts in the past and never been cut off.

He should be able to summarize his plight for us in a few pages and I suspect most of us will be willing to read it. At that point we may dig deeper into his personal web sites. There is only so much time in the day and he needs to wet our appetite just a bit to get us interested in his cause. And he may turn out to have a great cause. Maybe if I get some time, I will read up on him and summarize his cause for him. I successfully summarized the Napergate Man cause so I should be able to handle Mr. Scott Huber. I enjoy covering anti-establishment non-comformist types. They are always amazingly interesting.

Look at the responses from this article/situation... I started counting those in favor of letting him stay vs. those saying he should be removed. I got tired of counting...
For eight years this has been going on, hard to believe and here we are still debating the issue and it seems clear to me that he is breaking ordinances without any consequences. If I could be so lucky to ignore the laws of Naperville and not be fined or arrested. It's been said so many ways, he is in violation of statues and should be removed, period.
I suggest, as others have, that councilman Feissler be the first to assist Mr. Huber moving to his front sidewalk or front yard and setting up residency... only I'm sure there is an ordinance against two family residencies on one lot, but I think Naperville could "look past" this slight infraction of law for several more years.

Don’t be naïve, if you pay Huber one dime there’ll be ten more lined up in 24 hours. Huber’s playing the city for fools and some bloggers here are all too eager to join in.

The Tribune said he’s “never clear exactly what it is he's protesting” and as I recall from the Sun earlier this summer he’s protesting things such as his personal propoerty being stolen from his “protest site” and the cops not stopping the thefts. Or as the Herald put it, he’s protesting “the loss of his personal property and the government's lack of intervention in the theft”. So the cops were supposed to guard his crap on the sidewalk 24/7? How do we all get such service? And we actually pay taxes!

My suspicion is Huber would refuse any offers of cash and housing because his “protest” is really just a b.s. rationale for his continued presence on Chicago Ave or he’s completely delusional. Either way, that crap has to go.

T.B.

MHB/CIJ wrote:

Furstenau initially just wanted an apology. We did not give him one. We ended up spending nearly 1.1 million on out-of-house attorneys and approximately 400,000 on in-house attorneys rather than give him a simple apology. I suspect someone in City Hall has some regrets.

Furstenau wanted an apology AND $130,000. Also, you should mention that the $400,000 figure for in-house attorneys is your own guesstimate.

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 21, 2009 12:33 AM
"Let us face it we know that a DISMISSAL cost nearly 1.5 million dollars. We certainly can not afford another dismissal let alone a real and lengthy trial.
"The city council can not allow their egos to control Mr. Huber's destiny. They need to mind the taxpayers pocketbooks and wallets for once. The City of Naperville has to get out of the mentality that it needs to win at all costs."

First of all, I believe the city was vindicated by the dismissal of the Furstenau case when he finally threw in the towel. It was Furstenau's decision to proceed with the case in the first place, and allow our tax dollars to be wasted to rightfully defend against him. Enough about that. The moderator asked us all to avoid that subject on this thread.

The city, and we citizens should NOT bow down, and be held hostage by threats of costly lawsuits. Why should we allow ourselves to be coerced into paying to settle, or be intimidated into ignoring applicable laws just to appease wrongdoers? I do not agree with your position on this, CIJ, and you are right, your comments are based on hearsay, so it would be good to stick to the facts instead of comments based upon "maybe" or what if.

The city shouldn't have to negotiate with the tent dweller. He needs to help himself by accepting the help that has been offered. It is not doing him a real service to allow him to live on the street.

And YES, I want to see the city win at all costs when, or if, they are targeted by situations, or individuals like these. You're right, we don't need another trumped-up lawsuit.

Probably not. He's not a threat to anyone, he's not hurting anyone, etc.

What I am not understanding is how a $1000. dispute with Ameritech caused him to lose his house and somehow he blames this on the City of Naperville. Maybe he should be camped out near Ameritech. What dos Ameritech have to do with the City? Also, I had a wallet stolen in Chicago and I did not blame the Chicago Police and camp out in downtown Chicago the next several years as a protest. I wonder if this man has ever had counseling services.

But is he bothering anyone? No. His little camp is an eyesore, certainly, but I look at the blubber on many people in their shorts and tight tops this summer and that's a far worse eyesore.

It seems like a complete waste of time to continue talking about this unbeliveable eight year continuation of breaking the City Code. We cannot have a block party without a permit, cannot set garbage out before our alloted time, water our lawns on the off days, cruise around the main part of town too many times. Plus many more City Code violations! How is this allowed to continue? I don't think the City Council needs to do anything more than direct the Police Department to do their job! They have with all our other city codes and laws, what makes this different! This man is making fools out of all of us, it doesn't matter if he is protesting or homeless, either way the code states what he is doing is against what has been clearly spelled out. We as tax payers and law abiding citizens should demand the code be followed now! Not wait for two more City Council sessions.

I have decided to vacate my home on the sidewalk near 75 E. Chicago. Big Dick Furstenau has welcomed me into his home, as I will now be sleeping in his spare bedroom. Scott Huber for Mayor 2010

The city of Naperville doesn't even provide sidewalks in East Highlands for the kids to walk to school on! And they have turned a blind eye to the sidewalk eyesore Scott Huber has built a premanent structure on! Enough!!! Why do we have laws, permits, codes etc. if they don't apply to all? What are my taxes going towards? Not SIDEWALKS IN EAST HIGHLANDS! Or keeping the sidewalks clean from a pile of debris!

Since Huber's protest has been going on for 8 years and it is not resolved nor even clear what his exact 'protest' is, maybe he needs to find alternate means of communicating and protesting his 'cause' if he in fact has one.

Maybe the NPD needs to instruct him to move his stuff or be arrested for loitering. Don't you think he has played the city long enough? He's had more than his 15 minutes of fame and in the process he seems to have crippled the NPD and City Council from enforcing codes and laws. When is enough going to be enough? Will it take a mass protest campout by law abiding, tax paying citizens to get them to wake up? Do you honestly think you or I or Joe Shmoe could set up a tent on a sidewalk in downtown Naperville for even a week and get the NPD, City Council and Mayor's blessing like Scott Huber is receiving??

CIJ said:

I say let us have arbitration with this man. Let us give him 25-50k so he can open a Computer Shop and be a productive member of our society who pays taxes. He is very intelligent and I can tell he is a computer geek. Maybe one day he can fix a few computer for the city at no charge and we can recoup some of this money back.

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I don't see where your researched 'proved' any injustice done to Scott Huber by the City of Naperville or the NPD. In large metropolitan cities individuals are usually warned or arrested for loitering and vagrancy, and businesses do not want individuals coming in to use their facilities if they are not paying customers. That's their right as a private business owner. The NPD was just doing their job when telling Mr. Huber to move on or not return unless he was making a purchase - especially if he made it a habit to frequent the establishment.

As far as your suggestion, "let's give him 25-50k so he can open up a computer shop" I could not disagree more. There are individuals out there with a lot of ideas, drive, and work ethic who cannot come up with the money to start their dreams. Why should we hand it to someone who has given up? I don't believe in handouts. I like the old-fashioned philosophy of earning your keep and working hard for something you want.

All,
while staying kind, and genteel, as the moderator has recently requested, if you wish to figure some of this out for yourself, please keep in might that the character known as CIJ often spins things for some reason.
It's easy to read Huber's writings for yourself, and I am sure that we'll hear from him here in his own time. Why someone would try to explain Huber for us is beyond me.

By GJC on August 21, 2009 6:23 PM
All,
while staying kind, and genteel, as the moderator has recently requested, if you wish to figure some of this out for yourself, please keep in might that the character known as CIJ often spins things for some reason.


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GJC,
I don't spin anything. I have no personal agenda. I am here to watch out for 143,000 taxpayers of which I am only ONE.

I have no reason to spin anything. I am simply a practical person who wants to avoid litigation since I better than anyone else understands how much litigation costs.

CM Bob pretty much confirmed my estimate of what the Furstenau Dismissal cost us taxpayers. 1.1 million dollars for outside lawyers as he stated and $400,000 for in-house attorneys as I am estimating is no laughting matter.

Not one City Official or City Council Member has ever challegned my estimate that the decade long Napergate Trials cost us taxpayers about $10,000,000 dollars(settlement included whatever it may be.)

I am giving facts on this blog site. I am not the one responsible for the disappearance, misplacement, loss, shredding, unaccountability or burial of the Napergate Cost Records. How could I be spinning anything out of proportion? The city spun the facts by making sure there were no records to be found. The city may have burned the Napergate Records and released the ashes to spin in the winds. Speaking of spinning...lol...

I am estimating so the city will unbury the records so we can understand how much we the taxpayers took up the wazooooo and why we have so much debt in this town. Now we find out we have lots of debt on this Carillion Nightmare that the city took over from establishment folks just like they took over Ponds of Hobson West to apparently save the cousin of a Council Member from what may have been a "bad timing purchase."

I don't spin anything. I am simply trying to hold City Officials accountable for the waste of taxpayer money.

CM Bob seems very aware how this current situation can escalate into Huber v. Naperville. He wants to avoid this mess just as much as I do. CM Bob I believe is a lawyer and has the foresight to see how this can escalate into a big legal mess. He wants to avoid it. So do I.

I say giving this man 25k to open a computer repair shop is a good idea and investment, if it will get him off the sidewalk for our sake and his sake. We could require that his computer store would have to be located in Naperville. He would pay taxes and we would recoup our investment rather quickly from taxes he has to pay. We are not talking about an Omnia Project that could potentially cost taxpayers 200 million. 25k is a drop in the bucket for the City of Naperville.

If we fight him in court, are we are at best going to be guaranteed a DISMISSAL that will "only" cost us 1.5 million dollars. Let us not underestimate Mr. Huber's intelligence. While he does not have the money, resources and attorneys the Napergate Man had, I believe he has more DETERMINATION. He could potentially pull off a suit that will not be DISMISSED. If he succeeds like the Napergate Man, are we taxpayers willing to pay $10,000,000 to defend against him for the next 10 years??? He has been researching legalities that pertain to his situation for nearly 8 years in various libraries and bookstores throughout Naperville. Every librarian and bookstore owner in the downtown area knows him very well and what he is up to.

I am saying let us learn something from the Furstenau and Napergate Cases and be reasonable. We just do not need to win at any cost...that cost being to the taxapyers and not City Officials and Council Members. Cooler heads have to prevail and negotiate. We can not be arrogant and look at residents with greivances as the ENEMY.

Since CM Bob was the lone dissenter on the City Council, I suspect Mr. Huber may trust him to negotiate a deal before it become 40 degrees below zero Farenheit this winter. I don't care how tough Mr. Huber is, he can not be warm in a tent in this kind of temperature....even with a generator. He is getting older and weaker and the next winter could kill him. Does anyone really want this homeless and poor man dead? I don't!

What is so wrong to settle with a man who feels he was abused and harassed by the NPD? How many other shoppers did the NPD throw out of B @ N for being there at 11:03pm...may I add permanently? How many visitors did they throw out of the NCC library? How many travelers did they arrest for urinating in the train station bathroom because they did not use the train on that specific day? How many people were told by the NPD they could not park their bike that was attached to a cart at the train station becasue the cart was considered storage....his defense has been established that the trunks of cars also constitute storage? How many people in Naperville were told by the NPD you can no longer use your gift cards at Starbucks because they don't want you there? It goes on and on......

I don't know all the facts. But Mr. Huber has been documenting every encounter with the NPD. He always documents day, date and time. He always documents the police officers names and badge numbers. I just chose not to publish names in my summary.

There is no spinning here. I did not take the side of the NPD or Mr. Huber. I am for arbitration and a quick settlment. I did say that I felt Mr Huber was a bit paranoid and I doubt the NPD is spying on him, tapping his phones, tampering with his e-mails or peeking in his tent.

But if he is telling the truth about his numerous encounters with the NPD, he can establish a pattern of "continuing harassment" rather easily. If a pattern can be established going backwards that is continuous the Statute of Limitations does not apply....there are exceptions and this may just be one.

I am here simply to watch out for the Naperville Taxpayers. If we give him 25,000 dollars and settle, it will cost each taxpayer .50 cents...less than the cost of the hazelnut syrup you add to the Caffe Latte you buy at Starbucks.

If we decide to fight him as we did with the Napergate Man and it costs us $10,000,000 it will cost each one of us $200 dollars. The Napergate Case cost each homeowner $300 dollars since we only had about 2/3rds of the number of homes we have now.

Let us not be penny wise and pound foolish!!!

CIJ discusses Mr. Huber's use of the NCC Library. NCC is a private institution. The use of its library is restricted to students, faculty, and employees. If Mr. Huber was using the NCC Library for his personal research, he should be thankful that he wasn't arrested for trespassing. However, President Wilde, for the safety of his students, should ensure that Mr. Huber is not allowed access to any building on the campus of NCC.

Is he out there in the middle of winter too? How the heck does he stay warm? Or does he use a homeless shelter in winter? Where does he get food?

The fact that something like a man who has been loitering on our public sidewalk for 8 years has actually made it onto a city council agenda says more, and none of it good by the way, about our city council than it does about the loiterer.

If our city of over 150,000 people is being properly and professionally managed then our city staff should be fully capable of dealing with situations such as someone who is loitering on public property on a day-to-day basis without a need to ever get our city council involved. I would hope that our city council has empowered our city staff so that they can promptly and effectively deal with these kinds of issues whenever they might arise. Our police department seems to generally have the ability to enforce city and state laws such as homicide, DUI, theft, etc without consulting our city council. Our building department seems to generally have the ability to enforce our building code, the revenue department the tax code, and so forth. How and why no one in our city government has been able to enforce a loitering law in something like 3,000 calendar days is beyond a reasonable explanation.

If our council has not empowered our city staff it either means our city council is micromanaging things that should be left to professional staff to manage or our city council has neglected to give our professional staff the tools they need to do their job. Either way it reflects badly and poorly on our entire city council and speaks volumes about their capability to effectively lead our city as a group. In fact it makes them all look like a bunch of small minded, small town jerks to be quite frank.

If our city council is going to insist on getting eyeball to eyeball on these kinds of routine issues then it is time to sack a whole bunch of professional staff over at city hall because they are not being allowed to do what we are paying them to do and if our city council is hell bent on doing their job for them then let's at least save on the salary and benefits since paying our city council is clearly cheaper than paying these staff members.

Frankly I am also, as a long time resident and tax payer, starting to grow more and more concerned about just what our city council is doing to effectively monitor the work product and productivity of our city staff. Are we taxpayers actually getting a fair and honest days work out of each and every city employee? Or is the city council so detached from the day-to-day operations of our city government that they individually no longer have a clue as to who is doing what and have they replaced blind trust for true accountability? When certain city council members show up ill prepared for the agenda to be discussed at a council meeting it does not suggest they have a good handle on the publics business before them much less those aspects of city government that are far from their immediate view. Sounds more like a recipe for waste and corruption than it does for a sound and accountable government.

I searched the city's website briefly, and could not find the text of the ordinance. I think we should know what they are outlawing.

- Extended presence on public property
- With belongings
- Without belongings
- Causing discomfort
- Criticizing authorities
- Causing unpleasantness
- Distracting people
- Threatening egos
- Threatening the peace
- Mr. Huber

Is it any or all of these?

If the world were perfect, I advance, the city would offer Mr. Huber aid, and then people would ignore him. Maybe we can't afford the aid he wants or needs. Maybe we can't determine what it is. Obviously though, we are not ignoring him. Are we unwilling or unable?

Mr. Huber would be a perfect target for hate crimes and hate laws in many other countries; many states would have taken action by now. I think that confounds the issue, because it leaves us without precedents.

I surmise that many people find Mr. Huber's presence provocative, disruptive, and alarming. Such people have commendably shown years of patience and tolerance.

It is and should be everyone's right to address the public peaceably. Everyone, including both myself and Huber, can stand on the sidewalk, engage strangers, and speak our minds. Huber has been living proof of it. Maybe he likes to be; maybe we like it that he is.

Huber claims the city has abused him. Some are claiming he has reached the point of abusing us. Where privilege exceeds desert and responsibility, the people have a right to act. Have we done our share; have we been tolerant enough?

By NCC Alum on August 21, 2009 9:47 PM
CIJ discusses Mr. Huber's use of the NCC Library. NCC is a private institution. The use of its library is restricted to students, faculty, and employees. If Mr. Huber was using the NCC Library for his personal research, he should be thankful that he wasn't arrested for trespassing. However, President Wilde, for the safety of his students, should ensure that Mr. Huber is not allowed access to any building on the campus of NCC.


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According to Mr. Huber he attended or graduated from a college that has a reciprocal agreement with NCC as far as use of the library. The librarian never disputed this.

The only issue the librarian had with him is he was using personal software with their computers. She did not want him to do that. Since he was a regular at the library, he had informed her others do that and she looks the other way.

I don't see why you consider Mr. Huber a safety issue. To the best of my knowledge he has never hurt any one.

NCC does not dispute that he had rights to the library due to a reciprocal agreement with his college or university. It was simply about how he was using the computers. They called the cops on him and he was asked to leave. He left. Later, my understanding is he was banned permanently.

My opinion is that they just don't want a homeless, possibly smelly guy, hanging around the library. Nobody does and that is behind all his evictions from all these retail establishments.

The City, I assume, got him a porta potty that is 5 yards behind him. Maybe they need to get him a porta shower until they settle through arbitration which is safer than evicting him off the sidewalk after 8 years and engaging him in a 10 million dollar lawsuit as happened with the Napergate Man.

The city screwed up by letting him stay there 8 years and now they have to pay up one way or another. Let us find the cheapest way out of this mess for the taxapayers.

If heads most roll in City Hall and the Naperville Police Dept, I have no objection. But let us get rolling one way or another.

Has anyone noticed Mr. Huber has not responded to each one of us individually as he promised.

He has responded to no one yet.

As I said he is more bark than bite.

He is more talk than action.

But if we throw him off the sidewalk, that may be the motivation he needs to walk to Dupage Country Courthouse and file his civil suit. I am not sure I would motivate him or test him.

Let us just give him 25k to open a computer store. Passing an ordinance specifically directed at him after 8 years is opening a can of worms that will result in a lawsuit. Why do we want to go there after our past experiences with the Napergate Man and recent experiences with Furstenau?

Our City Legal Dept. can not handle the most basic of cases. They farm everything out it seems. Maybe heads need to roll in the legal department too. Maybe Margo Ely needs to get a hot dog stand like the friend, acquaintence or relative of her or her husband. At least she will earn her money the All American way for a change!

CIJ,
Here is an example of the spin: you said:What is so wrong to settle with a man who feels he was abused and harassed by the NPD? How many other shoppers did the NPD throw out of B @ N for being there at 11:03pm...may I add permanently? How many visitors did they throw out of the NCC library? How many travelers did they arrest for urinating in the train station bathroom because they did not use the train on that specific day? How many people were told by the NPD they could not park their bike that was attached to a cart at the train station because the cart was considered storage....his defense has been established that the trunks of cars also constitute storage? How many people in Naperville were told by the NPD you can no longer use your gift cards at Starbucks because they don't want you there? It goes on and on......
Doesn't it seem entirely likely to you and to other readers that if all of these issues have come up, in all of these places - libraries, bookstores, coffee shops, train stations - that just perhaps there are issues with this particular individual that may go above and beyond some shadow conspiracy picking on him? Truly, unless you buy the idea that the NPD and other's are actually targeting this guy and have been for years, it seems more reasonable to assume that there might be issues with his behavior more than anything else. If you've read his writings, some of that becomes a bit clearer, I believe.
The idea that giving him 25,000 to fix this is ludicrous at best. In point of fact, the idea that he would TAKE 25,000 and just go away, reopen a business and all will be well is even more outre.
I go back to my original contention. If someone wishes to, or feels a compelling need to protest city actions, they are completely within their rights to do so, and it is in the finest traditions of our country. I applaud that, in fact. Living in a temporary/permanent structure located on a city street is not part of that right, and is in fact something that is wrong.
How about this idea for a lawsuit, CIJ. If something were to happen to this man, since he has been in place for all these years, don't you think that some lawyer would find a way to bring suit against the city? Perhaps that's an even bigger liability.
It's long past time to do something about this, I believe, and while I have never been overly fond of the decision making process of the city council, I think this time they have it right, as long as they are willing to take every reasonable step to insure that this man is at least offered every possibly help, every possible city, county, state, federal program to assist him in relocating and etc.

CIJ,
If you think $25000.00 to open a store will resolve this issue, why don't you just write him a check, and give it to him? He is obviously not motivated by money, or he would be working to earn it. I would rather spend my tax money on the services of people, including lawyers, who work to earn a living for their families by serving people. I don't see the value in giving money to someone who has chosen not to improve their lot in life in order to protest the world as we know it (or whatever), and camps out on a street waiting for the next handout. If you really think $25000.00 is the solution to the situation in your fantasy world, I think you need to step up to the plate and give him the money. Let him set up that store you think he wants to run, and I'll be the first one to bring the old beta recorder in for repairs.

By Southwest Naperville Taxpayer on August 22, 2009 11:02 AM
CIJ,
If you think $25000.00 to open a store will resolve this issue, why don't you just write him a check, and give it to him?

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I made a proposal. Why should I be responsible for writing him a check for 25,000 dollars. I am only offering him .50 cents. That is it. If every homeowner wants to chip in with .50 cents, we can raise the 25k he needs to reopen his store....albeit a conversion from Electronics, VCRs, and TVs to Computers. Something he is very capable of.

This .50 cents we each donate is an insurance policy against a 10,000,000 dollar lawsuit as happened in the Napergate Case. A 10 million dollar lawsuit would cost each homeowner potentiallly $200.
Why not pay .50 cents now and avoid 200 dollars later? An ounce of prevention is better than a pound of medicine.

We get a man off the sidewalk where most of us don't want him. We get him out of the downtown where business owners, book stores and libraries don't want him.

In Furstenau v Naperville, initially he only asked for an apology. When we did not give him an apology he sued for 130k. We chose to spend 1.5 million of taxpayer money rather than give him an apology or settle with him later.

When someone is sueing for 130k, he may be willing to settle for 65k or even 45k. He is looking for less and not more.

I think we made a mistake with the Furstenau Case. My personal opinion. Why should we make a second mistake?

Once you are in the legal system winning at all costs means allowing city officials to spend the taxapyers hard earned money like drunken sailors.

The taxpayers should have a right to determine how their funds are spent.

If my real estate tax bill on my home is $12,000 and it comes in $12,000.50 it will not bother me. If you want me to come up with the entire amount of 25k for Mr. Huber, that means my real estate bill would be in essence 37k instead of 12k. I would absolutely not agree to that.

Scott Huber is all of OUR problem. He is a CITY problem. Not mine individually. Scott Huber is not my son, brother, uncle, father or grandfather. I am not responsible for him. So don't lay him on ME. Please!

Fifty cents is my pro rata share and is all I am willing to pay. Period!

Thank you.

As someone who has lived in Naperville for over 30 years and never even thought about voting in a local election...I must say after watching the NCTV coverage of the Huber story I am very impressed with Councilman Bob Fieseler.

I will make a point to get out and vote for you next time Councilman Bob.

Live and let live. Do What Thou Wilt. If It Smells Good Eat It.
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CIJ,

If someone had a real or imagined grievance with you (or the world), and was camping out in your back yard, would you give him $25000.00 to go away, or would you exert your rights as a property owner to have him leave your premises? Let's say you had decided to tolerate it for awhile, out of sympathy, as well as the hope he would move on and get a life, but he wouldn't, and the neighbors had been complaining for a variety of reasons, including his loitering on their property, using their property as a bathroom, etc. Also, passersby complained about the pile of junk for all to see, as well as the smell. Would you feel you had to pay him off to avoid a multimillion dollar lawsuit? Would you go around and try to collect money from your neighbors to pay him off? I'm just asking.

Anyone can sue anybody for just about anything, and waste alot of time and money, like the Furstenau case, as you mentioned. Anyone can try to make a case to support just about anything, as you repeatedly attempt to do. There are plenty of ambulance chasers, and whiplash complainers abusing the system, but why do you continually support this kind of abuse of our legal system? I generally feel it's more important to stand up for what's right. No one should be allowed to coerce aplogies, money, etc. by making threats of costly lawsuits, especially when they don't hold water, and get dismissed. I would suggest you get on the right side of this issue.

If you don't want to step up to the plate and give the man the money you feel he so rightly deserves in order to avoid legal problems, I have an idea! Why don't you get the Napergate Man to write him a check for $25000.00, and get the newspapers out there to take a picture of the two of them holding the giant check with smiling faces all around. Sounds like a great cover photo. Just think of all the publicity for the liquor store, too! You can't buy that kind of advertising for $25000.00! Then the newpapers can do another cover story for the ribbon cutting for the new computer repair store! How about that? Everybody can dream.

Scott it's time to remove your tent and find a room to rent so we can put this mess to an end once and for all!

MHB/CIJ wrote:

In Furstenau v Naperville, initially he only asked for an apology. When we did not give him an apology he sued for 130k. We chose to spend 1.5 million of taxpayer money rather than give him an apology or settle with him later.

Correction on this point, and on my earlier post: Furstenau initially asked for an apology AND that Officer Hull and the other members of the NPD involved in the case be disciplined. When that did not happen, he launched his lawsuit. There was apparently no initial demand for money.

Since Officer Hull's only mistake, IMO, was in not arresting Furstenau on the spot for interfering with a police officer, DF showed a lot of chutzpah in demanding that Hull be disciplined. Maybe if he'd offered an apology to Hull, his superiors might have been willing to give one to DF in return.

Folks, Obviously there is a plethora of opinions offered in this blog thread. The complexity and variety make it very difficult to respond immediately needless to say I have been responding at the Chicago Tribune, Topix, Daily Herald and here in multiple articles thrown at me in a very short period of time. The July 6 article in the Chicago Tribune Topix blog took immense time alone and is not over yet! I will probably have to respond to subject matter rather than separate comments so to simplify the load!

I find my antagonists are abundant and frequently take facts out of context and put a twist on them that just is not intended or truthful. I am finding that respondents are just not keeping their facts straight nor assimilating the facts properly and thus are making a mess of things at my expense.

Please be careful to get your facts straight and your extrapolations consistent and fair!

Some have violated the shrink wrap contract on my Porcupine Quills Newspaper additional updates contract. Please remove your references in this forum as you have violated Federal and State Law and divulged information that was not intended for the general public.

You may want to rewrite your comments in compliance. I trust that this won't happen again. Any links to that newspaper "ADDITIONAL UPDATES" is restricted to compliant readers! Those pages in PQ are noticed at the top of those restricted pages...please comply immediately!

I am weighing whether to take legal action because I clearly marked and warned of the restrictions in and at links to the information with a statement of both Federal and State laws of issue. There really is no excuse for this breach!

I urge you to look at my protest web site and read intently there as I am in information and response overload. Wi-Fi irregularities and hacking of my computer has also slowed things down. '

Please make every effort to get your facts straight as there has been much sloppiness of thought and degradation in this forum and it is causing misconceptions of myself, my protest site and the issues! You are wasting your and my time if we have to deal with such convoluted aberrations!

I urge each reader to read for yourself my source communication so to be sure to properly ascertain the facts and the errant conducts in this forum! www.chicagotribune.com/huber or www.flickr.com search in quotes "Scott m Huber".

For the record, Mayor George Pradel stated on behalf of the City Council that I am not a Homeless person! 8-18-09

A 25K or 50K settlement just does not even begin to deal with the realities of damages owed in this case! You who so suggest must be "smoking something" or immersed in a lot of wishful thinking!

The Bottom Line Folks is that a Government doesn't allow criminals to destroy one's life treasures, records, business and savings, AKA his estate and allow their own police officers to steal, plunder and invade the privacy of a resident who in good faith participated in this community and then tell him to beat it we don't want Homeless people here!

Scott M Huber
11:31 PM CDT
8-22-09

A 25K or 50K settlement just does not even begin to deal with the realities of damages owed in this case! You who so suggest must be "smoking something" or immersed in a lot of wishful thinking!


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I am not smoking anything Mr. Huber. I made you a generous offer. Most Napervillians also think I must be "smoking something" for making this proposal. Only CM Bob under the direction of the City Council and Mayor can make you a real offer. I hope you accept my proposal that he mediate.(If both sides think I am on dope, there is a real good chance I am not.)

Please post the LINKS of where you want us to go to study your plight and obtain the latest information, if you want us to get a thorough understandng of your case.

I am willing to review it all and summarize, if you are not willing to do so for the bloggers yourself, on this site. I prefer you do it as I find your writing style eloquent even though not all your thoughts.

Finally, I suggest you stop threatening lawsuits against those who want to open a dialouge with you and try to help you. If you are insulted by my offer since I admit I do not understand what the city has done to you, PLEASE STEP FORWARD AND MAKE A REASONABLE COUNTER OFFER. I am sure those in City Hall would or should at least consider it.

"A 25K or 50K settlement just does not even begin to deal with the realities of damages owed in this case!"

Well, now that we have heard a response on the idea of "paying Scott off", CIJ's theory is shattered. I don't believe it negotiating with people who threaten the well being of the community whether it be a potentially mentally ill person on the street or a City Official.

Scott's writings are incoherent (although he has a decent vocabulary). We have witnessed the protest for long enough to get the message, if there ever was a logical point. Time to move on, get help and quit wasting the short life God gave him. A chronic behavior / adjustment disorders generally does not magically resolve itself. It is about time Naperville addressed this abuse of public property!

Moderator...The "By Kat on August 20, 2009 11:23 PM" should be removed and comment needs to be rewritten as the link she provides to my personal information is not available to the general public under my shrink wrap and should be removed and linked through the shrink wrap or obtain copy that has the warning at the top of the page like the second link! My prior notice included this comment as well as the one you removed! Please inform the writers involved to rewrite their documents to comply!

A note of warning to the readers...if you have read the above link without compliance to my shrink wrap as linked to in the second link or have copied it without shrink wrap compliance you could be prosecuted! Destroy your copies and you are forbidden to discuss it with anyone! No Joke!!!

I will have my "listening posts" monitoring around "town"...I have friends...believe it or not!


Scott M. Huber
9:49 AM CDT
8-23-09

Moderator...Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 21, 2009 2:57 PM is the other offender of my shrink wrap contract detected so far. He has included information in his accounting from reading restricted areas of my newspaper "The Porcupine Quills".

Please remove his comment as noted above and ask him to remove his content errant to my shrink wrap and rewrite his comment without it!

Scott M. Huber
11:12 AM CDT
8-23-09

Anyone remember Pickles and Gus? Our resident homeless guys many decades ago? And i think there was a 3rd guy. No one bothered them. Before internet days, They were characters and accepted parts of the community. Everyone knew them and no one tried to oust them. Not comparing them to Huber, but they were the no tech version of him. I seem to remember one died in a fire in his shelter on or near Water Street. Anyone else remember these guys? They hung out in front of Nichols Library in the mornings.

Now I've seen everything. The man who behaves in a paranoid fashion, believing his computer is bugged and his actions are under surveilance or recorded now has a minion of 'spies' out there ready to pounce on anyone who discusses 'The Porcupine Quills' without his prior authorization.

Sorry Mr. Huber, if you publish it on the internet it is no longer considered 'private' and it is available for anyone to peruse and comment about if they see fit. You can say you "shrink wrap" it, but I believe it doesn't hold water. If you only want certain people to read and comment, remove it from the internet. That's much simpler than ranting, threatening and having your 'spies' hunt people down.

I think it's sad that so much time and energy is being extended to a situation like this. If this person really felt an injustice and wanted restitution, then he could take his case to a court of law. Eight years is a long time to complain without taking action. There are more effective and expedious ways to state your case. In my opinion, this is a lazy way to do it, a cry for attention, and an attempt to manipulate and threaten our community.

I'm not sure exactly why Huber is supposed to be OUR problem? Just because he decided to park his lazy butt on a public sidewalk that happens to be in Naperville makes him OUR problem?

From what has been reported Huber isn't a Naperville native, isn't a Naperville resident... as in a either a legitimate address or someone who pays taxes and generally contributes even modestly to the betterment of this community. There are some who advocate "taking care of our own..." and I'm all for that except that by all appearances Huber isn't ours to take care of... other than he clearly is attempting to dump that responsibility on us.

It does appear that at some time in the past he had small business that didn't really amount to much of anything. The fact that Huber is no longer in business is probably more reflective on his ability, or lack thereof, to manage his own personal affairs along with changes in technology that simply eclipsed the need for such a business.

The list of outdated jobs that no longer exist in the current marketplace is quite lengthy, yet we don't see others sitting around bemoaning the fact that their job no longer exists. It is time for Huber to move on as well.

As for Councilman Bob, well he is starting to become the poster child for who we need to vote off the city council. This guy is supposed to be a lawyer of some sorts yet while other communities successfully deal with issues like this he wants stick his head in the sand and hope it will simply go away on its own because he is afraid we might get dragged into a lawsuit if we take any action. If all lawyers were such cowards and ran away from or avoided every fight our court system sure would have a whole lot less lawsuits than it currently does. While it is nice that he does post here from time to time that does absolutely nothing to change the position he takes on issues. Maybe other council members are not posting here; what we don't know for sure is if they are reading even if they don't comment. Regardless of how the other council members get the pulse of the community... at least on this issue the rest of the council has figured out what the majority of Naperville wants. Time to start listening to your constituents Councilman Bob.

Moderator...The "By Kat on August 20, 2009 11:23 PM" link violates my shrink wrap for reading those links...Obviously you have not clicked on the second link Kat provides because at the very top a warning is given and it includes a link to the shrink wrap contract that must be complied with before one can read further down past the warning tripping the detector sensors in gray.

It says..."STOP!!! THIS IS A RESTRICTED AREA! IF YOU HAVE NOT ENTERED THIS PAGE THRU THE CONTRACT PAGE YOU CAN BE PROSECUTED FOR COMPUTER FRAUD!!! DO NOT READ FURTHER BUT LEAVE NOW BEFORE ELECTRONIC DETECTION IDENTIFIES YOU!!!"

Wake up Chis you are playing with fire! That warning applies also to the link Kat provides above it as the warning applies to all additional update pages of which it is!

This is the link the warning provides...

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/king.html

May I suggest you read it very carefully and instruct Kat and CIJ to comply and you comply by so instructing them because my warning is no joke. I will prosecute!

Scott M. Huber
1:59 PM CDT
8-23-09

Jerry T-see my earlier post. Now you have me confused. Did Pickles die in his shack in a fire off Water Street or off Ewing? Well anyway, I would hate to see Scott's heating system shall we say overheat some winter night. And Scott, you are not going to prosecute anyone. And I mean even some some shyster like esteemed counsellor of law Collins takes up your case. You are a nut in need of psychological (and dental)care.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 23, 2009 2:04 AM

I have and others posted key links that you and others can go to. I suggest you use them and follow the links provided in those links. I think I have made my points very clear and logical. I am amazed how some of you strangely ignore key points and wording that puts it together like the shrink wrap contract you have clearly violated!

Make sure you look at the conversations under the paparazzi pictures at Flickr as I believe it is relevant to the public to get a handle on the circumstances of which I deal as well as from where I am coming!

An example that you don't assimilate what I have said in my writings is the fact that you have violated my shrink wrap contract which is prerequisite to your entering my Porcupine Quills newspaper restricted links and articles and then on top of it you related its contents in a public forum which is a NO NO! Rewrite your comment I refer to the Moderator about without the violations.

So it seems I talk as though to brick walls and it does not penetrate and you make all sorts of incorrect extrapolations!Get with it man or are you opening mouth and inserting foot? The links provided are a quick way to answer a lot of questions fast and save time as this forum is not the only forum to respond to as you know!

Scott M. Huber
2:45 PM CDT
8-23-09

In the interim, (because postings of my comments here have been extraordinarily slow), or if I should be banned from this forum you will find my responses at my www.Flickr.com search "Scott M Huber" in quotes site AKA www.chicagotribune.com/huber....click on my picture portrait and read my responses probably at the bottom side of the page!!!

Scott M. Huber
4:03 PM CDT
8-23-09

Mr. Scott M. Huber,

You are attacking those who are even trying to help you. This will get you nowhere. Please stop this "shrink wrap" talk as it sounds insane. Please stop threatening to prosecute me. Only a prosecutor can legally prosecute and to the best of my knowledge you are neither a current or even former proseuctor. You are layman just like ME. I concur with the Moderator in regards to your hollow threats that must be stopped immediately or go blog on the Daily Herald where ciculation is approaching zero and they limit you to a few character per post where you will never be able to tell your partial or full story.

Let us discuss your case from the tidbits I have seen that you won't express in plain, English even though you write eloquently and are undeniably above average in intelligence.

My understanding is you may have had to close your electronics business (I was a good customer and you were very good in your repairs)because times were hard for the TV and VCR business. I was a minor investor in a similar business and it also had to shut down. At some point no one wanted to repair a VCR for 50 bucks plus parts when you can buy a brand new very good one with a 1 year warranty for 79 dollars to 99 dollars. So it is not your fault your business collapsed. Most video stores also collapsed because of the new and latest technology.

Now my undertstanding is you moved your equipment to a storage facility. And the storage facility sold your equipment illegally. You do not say if they gave your proper notice or warning before they sold your equipment. You do not say if you were behind on the payments. You do not say if you ever paid them a dime. But what you do say is the Naperville Police Dept. failed to deal with the theft of your EQUIPMENT by the Storage Facility.

I will say that many moving and storage companies can be shady. I have seen 60 minute shows and 20/20 shows in which these companies found a way to screw their customers of their belongings over technicalities or by breaking the law.

When you put your valuables in a bank safe deposit box for STORAGE you are usually dealt with ethically. They usually give you 2 notices and finally a Certified and Registerd notice that you must SIGN before they pull the plug on your valuables. They are not allowed to keep them but must turn them over to the STATE. I like this system because it prevents your safe from being drilled if you are in Hong Kong for 2 months and are unaware of the notices certified and otherwise.

When a bank once threatened me about "next time" after coming back form a 2 month overseas trip, I threatened them right back and told them if they ever drilled my safe deposit box, I would drill their heads open. I reminded them that I was a 30 year customer and the only time I will not pay is the day I die....and then they better find my 4 kids or my kids will know how to take legal action against them if they drill my safe deposit box.

I suspect this storage company was negligent and did not give you proper notice. I suspect they did not send you a Certified and Registered Letter with RETURN SIGNATURE required stating they were going to auction your belongings if you did not pay by a certain date. I suspect you would have not allowed them to auction your belongings over 100 bucks. You scrounged for change and came up with 100 dollars when the NPD arrested you and made bail even though by literally only pennies. So I am betting with the friends and donors you had and have, you could have paid this storage fee....assuming you had not. (Again, instead of talking about "shrink wrap" and prosecuting everyone who dares to try to help you, please tell us your story as half of us have your best interests at stake.... Many outstanding citizens including the Napergate Man had much more serious issues with the NPD and they were eventually resolved albeit after 10 years of expensive litigation. We can resolve your issues also, Mr. Huber, if you are willing to cooperate....hopefully through less expensive arbitration.)

My suspician is the Storage Facility knew your equipment was worth much more than you owed, and they jumped the gun to make a profit off your back in an unethical and uncompassionate manner....and very possibly ILLEGAL MANNER. I do not know for sure, therefore I am not naming the STORAGE FACILITY. At this point I am engaging in reasonable and calculated speculation based on nothing more than suspician and tidbits from you, Mr. Scott Huber.

You reported the Storage Facility to the NPD and the NPD probably did not perform a proper and thorough investigation. I believe this part very easily. The NPD does little to nothing about white collar crime unless it is a newsworthy issue and will get them publicity or they are pressured by citizens with clout. They don't really care about WHITE COLLAR CRIME.

They do care about blue collar crime and will be involved in high speed chases as they did when Extra Value Liquors was robbed a few months ago at gun point by two gun toting thugs. They chased the thugs at high speeds exceeding 110 miles an hour risking life and limb through many suburban towns, until the thieves flipped their SUV upside down, and then police dogs found the suspects who fled on foot and were hiding in bushes of residential homes in Downers Grove.(At some point the speeds got so ridiculous the State Dispatchers monitoring the situation asked all police vehicles from numerous suburban towns who had joined the NPD to cease and desist from the high speed chase immediately...correct decision in my opinion as people and even children were being endangered)

So the NPD gets an A+++ for blue collar crime and an F--- for white collar crime.

You may have a case Mr. Huber. You as well as I know that the NPD stations 12-17 officers on Chicago Ave and Washington St. on weekends doing little to nothing. On weekdays 6-12 officers also stationed there almost do nothing. They do go for a bike ride a couple of blocks each way sometimes. Sometimes they have nothing better to do than hassle you because you are lying down instead of sitting up.

Some of these police officers need to be taken off this downtown "party detail" and begin investigating white collar crime in Naperville which is a big problem and growing....just like heroin which is also not investigated properly by the NPD as drug dealers roam our subdivisions freely killing our youth with their poison. Will County admitted 20 deaths for the first half of the year. (We are awaiting confessions and revelations from the City of Naperville and Dupage County at this moment....The Sun is promising a report soon that will hopefully contain some long sought out answers!)

If my suspicians are correct and the storage company improperly auctioned your equipment off in an improper or illegal manner, and you reported this to the NPD, and they did nothing, you may have a case against the NPD. A BIG CASE as you say!!!

But you need to spell out your story. If this scenario is the case, than people will probably come down in large numbers and make donations(including ME) to you in order that you have money for the train fares to 219 S. Dearbon which would enable you to file your Civil Rights Action Lawsuit. I am sure people will donate the fees for your lawsuit. I have little doubt after 8 years of research you will be able to handle your lawsuit without the assistance of lawyers. After all, after 8 years of researching law, you should be better than most attorneys since you appear to be much more intelligent. (And please try to contain and control your paranoia as it makes bloggers not take you seriously.)

Please communicate your story with us Mr. Huber and not your hollow threats. Some of us truly want to help you. I made a suggestive offer of 25-50k to address your perceived grievances which I believe as CM Bob believes, that in your heart and mind they are real and possibly in reality.

Please make a suggestive reasonable counter-offer. I bet the city council members are monitoring the situation on this blog site. I know with little doubt they will pay some kind of price to resolve your issue. You are a thorn in their rear ends that they want pulled out immediately. They can no longer sit down. I do not know, though, what this price is that they are willing to pay to get you off the public sidewalk and avoid expensive litigation. Obviously, they know the in-house legal dept. can not handle you just as they could not handle Fustenau and the Napergate Man. They know they will be taking it up the wazzzoooooo if you file your lawsuit, from these out-of-house Chicago Big Shot Money Hungry Law Firms once again.

But certainly they are not interested in another $1.5 million Furstean type Dismissal or a $10 million Napergate Man decades long Trial. They know the taxpayers will not tolerate going down this path a 3rd time. They understand that 3 strikes means you are DOWN and OUT. So make a reasonable offer and maybe CM Bob can bring you a check authorized by his fellow council members and you can be up and running in business all over again just like it was YESTERDAY and not YESTERYEARS. And paying taxes again like every business and residential owner in Naperville. It is a WIN WIN situation for everyone, Mr. Huber. Naperville desperately needs your taxes and not to be taxed by you. Did you hear we had an $11.5 million budget deficit last year? Help us plug it! Get on board and be a good citizen and a contributiong resident. End the sidewalk protest and let us begin negotiations with CM Bob playing the mediator role of old Henry Kissinger. I have faith in CM Bob and trust him 100%. I certainly hope you do. He stood up for you at the last Council Meeting.

Thanks you,
CIJ

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PS. It is too bad that I have to spend my time telling your story for you when you are much more qualified to tell your own story. Please, don't criticise or threaten me for attempting to do the best job I am capable with my limited knowledge and resources. Both YOU and the bloggers who oppose YOU are simultaneosuly stating I am spinning the story so I must be right in the middle and telling close to the truth for both sides to be making the same baseless allegation.

Feel free to correct me as I am sure I erred somewhere. And remember I was once a good customer of yours at your Electronics, TV and VCR repair service, and you treated me superbly. I expect you to continue treating me in the same way as I may one day be customer again at your new Computer Repair Shop. My family owns 6 computers and I promise you we will need you for repairs as none of us are computer geeks. We actually have one computer down and needing your services immediately. So let us roll!

Hey Scott move your tent and live in Bolingbrook at Rt.53 and Briarcliff! They have two nice fountains you can camp out by!

I read the top secret posts, or should I say attempted to.
I couldn't make head nor tails out of the ramblings on either of the above links. Maybe someone is fluent in Huberese and could do a Cliff notes version?

Yes, I know I took a chance and bypassed the warning and am now awaiting the spaceship to arrive and take me to the home planet for interrogation and sentencing.

Scott, Just for the record. Just like anyone else you are entitled to your 15 minutes of fame. Right now the clock is at 14 minutes and 45 seconds. Make sure you make good use of the little time you have left on the clock. Pretty soon this will all be over, it will be nothing more than old news, no one will care or remember, and your name will soon be forgotten.

With all this talk of civil rights lawsuits, has anyone considered that the statute of limitations has probably run?

By Anonymous on August 23, 2009 8:45 PM
With all this talk of civil rights lawsuits, has anyone considered that the statute of limitations has probably run?

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Yes, I did mention that in one of my previous posts.

I believe Mr. Huber is counting on an argument of "continuing harassment" to keep his case live.

If the harassment is "ongoing, continuous and never ended" the Statute of Limitations does not run out on him according to Civil Rights Law as I understand it.

He has had many confrontations with the NPD as I documented in my prior posts. I believe there are many more that Mr. Huber needs to document as I am not willing to read the 30 Edition Encyclopedia Britannica he wrote about his situation and planned litigation.

Mr. Huber has been barking for 8 years. Now or never is the time to bite. If he can not bite, he needs to stop the barking so we can get a good night's sleep.

My dog also barks and growls at my new kitten. She has not dared to bite her yet. The kitten figured that out and is no longer afraid of the dog. I suspect the City Council may have also figured out Mr. Huber is all bark with no bite after 8 years of hollow threats. But they consider him an eyesore and they are willing to pay to remove this eyesore from the downtown. They are tired of coming second to Ft. Collins, Colorado in the National Rankings by CNN/Mony for the "Best Place to Live in America." "The Best Place to Raise Kids" is no longer on the horizon after all the heroin deaths we had in the last year in Naperville.

Last time they blamed the loss publicy on not having a MOUNTAIN as Ft. Collins did. Behind the scenes they probably blamed it on having Scott M. Huber as a resident living on a sidewalk. They want to be first in the nation. Who does not? So they need to pay Mr. Huber during arbitration and put this all behind them. It is much cheaper to engage him in arbitration than in litigation as happened in the Furstenau and Napergate Cases that cost us $11.5 million dollars combined.

It is time for our City Officials to pay and save. Time to be frugal. Time to be wise. Time to swallow their egos. This is hard earned taxpayer money and not chips at a casino our City Officials are gambling away. Let us do the right thing for once and keep the taxpayers in mind. Let us not gamble and test Mr. Huber's skills as his self-appointed attorney. He will lose but he will cost us millions. I am not willing to pay up for a third round known as Huber v. Naperville.

Scott Huber –

It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

--A. Lincoln.

T.B.

If Mr. Huber had half the case he thought he did it would have been presented in court by now. Since eight years have passed and he has done nothing, it demonstrates the fact that he is honing his skills of blowing smoke up the skirts of our city council and police department. Plain and simple, I think Mr. Huber is using this excuse for his choice to check out of the human race to hang out on the sidewalk. Sadly, I think he has lost focus of reality. If he claims the NPD continues to "harrass" him, I think it's simply because he continues to loiter.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on Mr. Huber's situation. Mine is that I think the City's patience has worn thin, thus the need for the ordinance. I support the City and the NPD in their efforts and I don't think they owe Mr. Huber a single penny. If he wants to get technical about it, he has been 'living' on public property that he does not own, he has not paid rent, utilities, nor taxes. He has 'income' from panhandling and if he has 'earned' a certain dollar amount he should be paying taxes on his income like everyone else.

By Conscientious Observer on August 23, 2009 11:22 PM
If Mr. Huber had half the case he thought he did it would have been presented in court by now.

Mine is that I think the City's patience has worn thin, thus the need for the ordinance. I support the City and the NPD in their efforts and I don't think they owe Mr. Huber a single penny.

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It is very possible that Mr. Huber does not have a legal case yet. But he has been patient and the city's sudden impatience may give him exactly what he needs and desires to proceed forward.

Passing a new ordinance directed at him specifically could be the straw that broke the camel's back that he has been seeking for 8 long years.

If the city can find an old ordinace that they can evict him on, they have a much better chance of avoiding litigation, than using a new ordinance specifically passed and directed against him.

The City of Naperville is really between a rock and a hard place in Huber vs. Naperville.

Even if such an ordinance exists, the courts will ask, "Why did you not find his behavior illegal in the last 8 years? Why are you coming now with this eviction action notice instead of 8 years ago?

Let us face it the city screwed up. They would be wise to settle through arbitration in an amicable way where there is a WIN WIN situation for all parties.

I think must households in Naperville would be ready to give .50 cents to Mr. Huber so we can collect the $25,000 needed to help him rent space and open a retail computer store. Look at it as an act of generosity or kindness.

If we can get him in a store he will be paying real estate taxes, sales tax, federal and state income taxes, business corporate taxes and maybe even payroll taxes if he ends up hiring some help. He will by buying electricity from the City of Naperville that has taxes included instead of making his own electricity using Exxon Mobil gas. And above all he won't be on the sidewalk and we can use his example of how we extend help to our citizens to win the "Best Place to Live in American Award." Who cares about mountains if can move our own mountain of resistance and steadfastness!

What more must I do to drill the sacred gift of common sence into the minds of you stuck-up Naperville residents...southern taxpayers...and moms???!!! My "opinion" as you narrow minded pinheads make it out to be is anything but. There is no right or wrong answer in this unless I say so...and the answer is this!!! By all you incompitant fools voicing your unwanted, unwarented thoughts, Scotty has defeated you in cold blood. He's gotten under your skin enough for you to blog to the town of "fortune 500" ville' and pushed the envelope just enough for you to reach your boiling point. Scott is victorious, and Naperville must now bow to him!!!

Scott, please grace us loyal taxpaying mothers of d-town and join us at Darien Fest!!!!
.....sorry Naper"pay your bill"e, no ribs allowed at this fest

Wow. I stumbled on this blog while checking up on news from home as I used to live in Plano. I cannot believe a vagrant is holding a city captive at all, and even more astonished that this has been going on for 8 years. I currently live in Loveland Co. just 4 short miles from Ft. Collins Co. and can tell you that Naperville will never take over the top spot in the nation to live and raise children so long as the people expend so much time and money on such a piddly problem. Our stellar police force would have escorted this man to the city limits with instructions to not return as soon as he rejected any assistance which Is always offered to homeless people as we are compasionate to those in need!
You should be expending your time and recources to combat the growing problems such as heroin addiction among your younger citizens, and the inefectiveness of your city council and attorney.
As for giving this man 25-50k to make him go away, WHAT are you thinking? That's hard earned TAXPAYER money. Not to be given to some quiter who see's fit to plop himself down on a sidewalk and complain to every passerby that the world dumped on him. I suspect your police force has tried to handle this matter in a dignified manor in the past but enough is enough. Police officers are human too. They have a job to do which I suspect is much harder than yours to the "nth" degree. Constant unsubstantiated accusations by Mr. Huber in relation to his treatment by police at the request of your TAXPAYING business owners and other citizens should be enough in and of itself, to warrant swift and stern action of this squater as to send a message to those who might emulate and/or copy his actions. It appears to me this man is in desperate need of mental health evaluation. This can be done without his consent and should be done as soon as possible. Then and only then will Mr. Huber begin recieving his just dues in life and start back on a road to recovery and again become a contributing member of society.
Good Luck Naperville!!!

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 22, 2009 11:48 PM

A 25K or 50K settlement just does not even begin to deal with the realities of damages owed in this case! You who so suggest must be "smoking something" or immersed in a lot of wishful thinking!

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Once again I don't smoke cigs, inhale marijuana, down speed, snort cocaine, or syringe heroin. I only drink non-alcholic beer and a rare Miller Lite when non-alcoholic beer is not available on occasion.

I am also not immersed in wishful thinking. I was a customer of your A @ A Electronics and TV/VCR service. Your place was very run down even though you provided excellent service. It later became ancient and extinct due to the latest technology advances. It was not worth much. It was not worth 25-50k so my suggestive offer was extremely generous. I find it hard to believe you won't accept it.

I had a business in another town at another time that was appraised for 495k. I was in a town where the officials who ran it were worse than the Mafia with their hands strectched out worse than scare crows in a farmer's vegetable field. I refused to play their game and sued them.

I found a law firm what was willing to take it on a contingency basis. They asked for 33.33% of the proceeds but I persuaded them to come down to 26% as the case was rock solid.

Anyway, after a 5 year battle with no appeals, I walked home with $123,000 of my $495,000 appraised price. The city was able to convince the judge it was only worth $295,000 using their own biased appraisers. I had agreed to pay the expenses related to the case to my law firm in addition to the 26% of the settlement before expenses.

Expenses after 5 years of depositions, expert witnesses, copying, transcription fees, etc. were unimaginable. Almost a 100k. Thus all I got was 123k of the 495k I thought I would get. Even though I won, the judge did not force the city to pay my legal fees and expenses which would have allowed me to walk with 295k instead of 123k.

I suspect your case is weaker than mine since you dismantled your business voluntarily and put your equipment in storage where you claim it was stolen. Your business had no goodwill. Equipment in storage is worth 10 cents on the dollar at best compared to when it is fully functional and operational in a thriving, ongoing or continuing business.

So I think you need to smell the java and stop worrying about me "smoking something." I know you are banned from Starbucks but there are other great places that sell good coffee downtown. You need to be realistic.

If you don't like my hypothetical generous offer of 25-50k make a reasonable counter offer. And I hope a Certified Letter does not surface with your signature on it from the Storage Facility warning you of non-payment, eviction and auction of your belongings.

If such a letter surfaces, I am OFFERING YOU NOTHING...NOTHING....NOTHING....

Best Regards,
CIG

look, both sides have great points but the only way to settle the problem is in something called "the court of law." I'm not saying either party has violated the law, but settling this problem cannot happen over a blog posting contest-a cesspool for cowards. No one, including myself, is brave enough to post their real identity, so lets get REAL (no pun intended)! This sounds like a civil case to me and both sides need to be heard- in front of a judge. I dont live in Napervegas, i mean, Naperville, but i thought the purpose of a community was to rally around someone like scott, hear his case, respect his views as we would want ours to be respected, and improve the overall beauty of the community by peacefully solving the problem. This may require a word many naperville residents don't like to her- compromising! yes that's right residents of naperville- you may need to give up something to solve this problem, just like scott will have to give up something. This issue wont have one supreme winner, only two losers. The sooner you see this, the quicker the problem will be solved. The only positive thing that will come out of this issue will be the manner in which the outcome is decided, oh, and remember naperville/scotty- the world is watching. It may be just me, but it seems like someTHING, not someONE, is out of wack, but what do i know- i'm not from utopia, i mean, naperville.

By common sense on August 24, 2009 1:07 AM
I dont live in Napervegas, i mean, Naperville, but i thought the purpose of a community was to rally around someone like scott, hear his case, respect his views as we would want ours to be respected, and improve the overall beauty of the community by peacefully solving the problem. This may require a word many naperville residents don't like to hear- compromising! yes that's right residents of naperville- you may need to give up something to solve this problem, just like scott will have to give up something.


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Common Sense,

You do make a lot of common sense. I agree with you that compromise is needed. I suspect most Napervillians and their government want to win at all costs against this poor and homeless gentleman. It is an ego trip for them.

It is too bad no one in town likes to hear the word compromise. A little give and take with Furstenau and we would be 1.5 million richer as a community without the black eye that came with it. A little give and take with the Napergate Man and we would be 10 million richer without all those skeletons in City Hall where no records can be found.

Lessons are not learned from history in our town. I do not know why.

Scott M. Huber deserves to be heard. He deserves compassion and love. But above all he also needs to get off his high horse and begin communicating with us in a sober manner.

This case is probably not going to a court of law. Unlike the Napergate Man, he can not come up with the resources and money to beat City Hall. He knows this. He must also know his case is weak.

Thus we have this 8 year protest and his massive resilience and steadfastness. I think the City thought he would go away. Now they realize they will all be 6ft under before he goes away.

Thus if they want him to go away they need to pay him off whether he has a case or does not have a winnable case. I know that sounds crazy but it is really much beter than going to a court of law as you suggest.

Naperville is crazy and will leave no stone unturned to win. Trust me they will not hesitate to spend 20 million dollars of taxpayer money to beat Scott M. Huber in court. Can you imagine the humiliation they would suffer if a homeless man took them down in a big way. So if they have to hire 4 law firms, they will hire 4 law firms. They have a history of spending money like drunken sailors on legal issues.

Yes, city officials may spend 20 million to avoid giving Scott 25-50k as I am proposing to reopen his electronics store with a computer conversion.

All the Napergate Man wanted was a second liquor license to open a second business in town and the City said no, for no good reason and was stubborn as Scott is now. They spent 10 million dollars trying to prevent him from getting a second license and putting more tax money into their coffers from his new business. Nothing made sense. He eventually got his liquor license from the high courts and the rest is history.

This man like the Napergate Man wants his business back...or wants a business he percieves or imagines was taken from him due to city police incompetence. He has literally frozen and fried for his cause and beliefs.

We are a very rich community. How could we not be compassionate and give him 25k or .50 cents a household? Let us get him back on his feet whether he was wrong or right, whether he was abused or not, and move forward. He will be off the sidewalk and that is something it seems like we all want. A sore eye will not end without a price for medicine.

And let us not be to worried about setting a precedent. No one ever again is going to protest for 8 years on a sidewalk in 100 degree heat and -40 degree freezing temperatures. Scott is one of a kind and there will never be another one like him in our lifetime or any lifetime. On the Moon, Sun, Venus or Pluto. Or any Star you can name!

Before we make a deal to move him, let us contact the Guiness Book of World Records and get him in it. He really deserves it for having the longest protest in the recorded history of mankind. High School graduates have now become Doctors and Lawyers during this insane and unimaginable protest.

You are a historian, Moderator Chris. Do you know of any longer 24/7 protest that lasted 8 years and is still kicking?

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Has anyone noted the similarities between the ramblings of Mr. Huber and the ramblings of Sybil?
Just saying...

The hubris of suggesting a 25k payout on behalf of the city is unimaginable, and the fact that Sybil keeps calling it an offer. I admit, I would like to hear a counterproposal from Huber, though I am fairly sure that one will never be forthcoming, and if it did come about I imagine it would be in the 8 figure range!
I'm going to have to agree with Common Sense on this one, it will only ever be settled in court. So the likely avenue is exactly where the council is taking us at this time. Come up with something that covers not just this situation but future potential situations like it, put it into place, enforce it. That means that Huber would have to go. Once that happens, the ball would be in his court, and all we can do is wait to see what happens.
Regardless of the doom and gloom suggestions of others, above, I just don't see any other way to solve this issue. Huber is unlikely to radically change his stance after all this time, and the city has finally put itself on record as willing to do something about the situation.
So, what possible course of action remains? A visit to court, no more, no less.

Some of the comments on this blog site make me wonder whether school is really in session or the kids are at home playing on the computer.

A vagrant threatening a city and "protesting" for 8 years? Take off your tin foil hat, Mr. Huber, and get a job like the rest of us. Your business failed. It's time to reevaluate, put on your big boy pants and move on. Take your self-appointed mouthpiece with you.

I agree that the Naperville Police Department should escort him out of town or to jail if he won't leave willingly.

This is hilarious. Scott....I was on your side on an earlier post. But seeing as how you readily have computer wi-fi my opinios might have changed.

Scott just get out! No one in Naperville owes you anything so pack up already!

It isn't hard - I find I have no confidence in city staff here is the first find looking at city code.

9-1A-9: PRIVATE USE: Except as authorized by the City Council, it shall be unlawful for any person to use any street, sidewalk or other public place or right of way for any proprietary purpose. (Ord. 95-136, 7-5-1995; amd. Ord. 97-158, 10-7-1997)

9-1A-11: ENCROACHMENTS AND OBSTRUCTIONS: 2. Obstructions: It shall be unlawful for any person to cause, create or maintain any obstruction on any street, alley, sidewalk, parkway or other public way, except as may be specifically authorized by ordinance or by the Director of the Department of Public Works when necessary in any emergency or in connection with any lawful construction, repair or removal work 1 . (Ord. 96-252, 12-17-1996; amd. Ord. 97-158, 10-7-1997)

When the weather turns this can also apply:
4-6-4: IMPROPER HEATING EQUIPMENT: Gas or electric appliances designed primarily for cooking or water heating purposes and portable heating equipment employing flame and the use of liquid or coal shall not be considered as heating facilities within the meaning of this Chapter 6. (Ord. 94-35, 3-15-94)
4-6-5: LOCATION OF HEATING EQUIPMENT:Heating plants designed or intended to serve one or more dwelling units shall not be located in a habitable room. (Ord. 94-35, 3-15-94)

Plus look at B4/B5 zoning that sidewalk is not residential. How can we not throw him out.

I don't know why the police just don't remove Huber's tent under the encroachment and obstruction codes, or why they didn't do that eight years ago.

9-1A-11: ENCROACHMENTS AND OBSTRUCTIONS:

1. Encroachments:

1.1. Except as provided by this subsection or Section 7-4-3 of this Code permitting the construction of driveways along front lot lines, it shall be unlawful to erect or maintain any "building" or "structure" as defined in Section 6-1-6 of this Code, which encroaches upon any public street, way, or property. (Ord. 95-230, 10-17-1995; amd. Ord. 97-158, 10-7-1997)

Seems pretty simple to me...

common sense on August 24, 2009 1:07 AM


It has been clear that the City should have moved in a Constitutionally correct form to deal with my issues long ago. I believe that the city and Chief Dial has known all along what the issues are but are clearly following someone’s orders. Orders that may emanate right out of Washington DC at some level instigated by a well connected’s “phone call”! The court forum at the Federal level is a possibility yet arbitration is also a possibility yet the City just fessing up to its willful and wanton negligence at the very least would be honorable….you know…just like the police expect of those they arrest to do when they are guilty! As they know it makes the process a whole lot easier, less time consuming, and less costly!

It is clear to me that Chief David Dial is not seeing to it that the issues are being dealt with properly nor fairly otherwise I would not have to have protested in the first place. When charges were pressed by me in my property swindle I did not get their cooperation. Instead, the Chief slung my emails off to some subordinate that did not care and even more had an ax to grind on me for the Lord knows what and why…probably under orders too right or wrong just like a number of false arrest were when witnesses even exonerated me from wrong doing! I clearly have been on someone’s list and that is not just Naperville. Read my web site at Flickr.com searching for “scott m huber” in quotes and click on my portrait. Read my articles and those posted under the paparazzi pictures and the links to the Topix forum where I have posted detailed accountings of this tragedy as well. It is clear that I will not be able to give everyone direct reply to the issues presented here but I will try to touch on the most important and realistic. My other web links should give more context and save time!

You say no one is brave enough to post their real name but I have had to due to the articles about me that identify me. It is certainly a one-way street and I get the heat on a personal basis!

I agree with you about thinking that the city is supposed to rally around one of its own that has gotten burned in a most devastating and severe way just like families burned out or tornado victims. However it appears that the city chooses to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina of New Orleans and rebuild their homes and lives but those who are victims of “Hurricane Naperville” must lick their wounds and take their lumps…tough luck jack they say! This is a strange duality of conduct toward a resident of twenty years.

Rather they drain out one’s resources and cripple them aiding and abetting criminals and then try to institutionalize them and kick them out of their domain because they are not up to standards in their opinion! Look at Chief Dave Dials’ comments in this newspaper December 15, 2008 and May 18, 2009 for starters! I exercise the Protest lifestyle because Chief David Dial chose it for me not me choosing it! I had no choice!

When I have gone to court against the city they and the judges have been in collusion to deny my civil liberties and a fair hearing if a hearing at all. They have seen to it that my court records are confiscated right while in the heat of battle under the phony guise of abandonment! They know better than that about me!

When commenters say I have not done anything but sit on my butt they are blind or they lie. Ironically they even criticize my presence with a notebook and Wi-Fi. They typically embellish negatives about me that are clearly unproven or substantiated and people believe them because the establish themselves as legitimate “Tax Paying” citizens.

I pay taxes but not like I used to. They have to get off that scam saying I am using THEIR sidewalks not paying taxes because it is MY sidewalk also. And that part about using more than my share of the walk is a crock because the city also has fairs and special activities that utilize more than one person’s take on the sidewalk and street. The US Constitution gives citizens the right to occupy more than their “normal” share of the “sidewalk” under the color of the Protest and Strike! What a crock! They defecate on My Constitutional right and use of the sidewalk! Taxes are NOT prerequisite for Constitutional protections!

Now the City wants to infringe on my cost effective guaranteed right to use my right to protest on the public way where and when I choose to get my point across and get the public to put the pressure on a derelict in its duties government that only caters apparently to people of so called “privilege”!

Come on, the politicos and criminals wolf packed me into poverty! I came here with a viable and expanding business and they sentenced me almost to the mental institution had I not rose up against them in protest! They say I don’t do this and that and the other thing but they ignore that they are deliberately undermining my ability and right to do it! Who is kidding who here?

When even at my protest site I volunteered two and half years of my stay to keep the garden by the parking garage spiffy and beautiful in the spirit of the Adopt-A-Street , River, Garden, Block or whatever program and what do I get in return? I get Bryn Wildman, Code Enforcer for the City telling me no more gardening even when it was arranged by verbal contract with the contractor and the city as a gratis assist! I get Officer Edwards telling me that if they “catch” me gardening they will arrest me. I offer FREE professional services as a degreed Ornamental Horticulturist and get complimented by the public and even donations in appreciation and the City says that this is their project we don’t want your FREE help and the garden this year has rotted with trash, weeds, smashed and improperly removed plants, improper water distribution and dead plants resultantly looking like an eye sore!

In years past I even offered $100 of my own donation money to seed the upgrade off sprayers to reticulators that would properly and uniformly water the garden and it was rejected! Mind you this is a City that can’t afford to have its employees properly attend to the garden much less timely and do it professionally as I have and they even damage it carelessly while the City is $11 million plus in the hole and someone offers to help for free and as a kindness to make the City beautiful! That is the mentality I deal with in this “illustriously perfect utopian city of American Spirit” that they say my protest is an “eye sore within!

I have made my “eye sore” much more aesthetically acceptable with the tarp over it than it was without it last year. Instead of being appreciated of upgrading I get criticized for allegedly having a “structure” or a tent because I sit under the open end of the tarp making my presence and efficiencies more durable! They degrade the plastic water barrier as rotten and junk yet it is their population that dump crap on it and throw projectiles on it and damage it and rip it up and that is my fault you see! How about better police coverage and attentiveness! Of course I have witnessed and been made aware that the police are having the same problem with their vehicles getting bombed on even while assisting me in police matters!

Councilman Furstenau and those who agree with him relegate my amenities as TOO MUCH and too comfortable, cost effective and durable but a strike reasonably allows for this…

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

…even in Downtown Naperville.

The Target strike on Route 59 in 2004 was not pretty and was an “eye sore” too, no doubt by management and pro corporate public, but could the City stop it with all its amenities…NO! Why do they try to do it to me?

Because I am an indigent by their own causing and they don’t want to deal with that! They rather unlawfully discriminate against my Civil and First Amendment Rights because they figure I can’t retaliate effectively to damage their bottom line and my strike is too effective and I am too durably comfortable there and succeeding indefinitely!

A strike is supposed to be a pain in their South Ends so that they get off them and respond properly! With them it is not a matter of Honor and American Spirit and Constitutional Law but rather one of catering to prima donnas that are spoiled rotten, selfish and most of all Un-Christian and Un-American…AKA Hypocrites! Yes these are the ones that also say they support the Spirit of Independence Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day and President’s Day et al.! The strike is supported by those celebrations!

Former Soviets living in the area say that the governing bodies are operating reminiscently like their old Soviet government! The Soviet government fell because it did NOT follow its own Constitution said to be written more beautifully than our own!

The issue is being apart of their “club” and submissive to their will not one of being a productive citizen. When one has been independently productive in their terms they have plotted to and killed it! So they should not point a finger at me because the problem is with those interfering and illegally I might say!

So “common sense” I think you are right when you say “…it seems like someTHING, not someONE, is out of wack…:”!

Scott M. Huber
12:19 PM CDT
8-24-09


There is a protester that has sat in front of the White House in Washington DC I am told by Naperville public for 15 or 16 years as I have it and it has been durable! That person is said to be legitimately HOMELESS!

Scott M. Huber
1:32 PM CDT
8-24-09

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 23, 2009 9:51 PM

Perhaps you are trying to help but you have gone about it in the wrong way. You divulged WITHOUT MY PERMISSION contracted information. You cannot claim that you did not know because the terms of participation were made very clear in "The Porcupine Quills".

Kat's silence is deafening and she or he knows that similarly the contract was circumvented and it specifically guards against such circumvention!

I have to hold to my control systems or else anyone will walk all over
my newspaper rules and regulations. The Naperville Sun enforces its rules here very strictly and if you did not play by their rules they would can your presence here. It is clear that they are not playing fair ball and respecting the rights and security of colleague newspapers and in this context "The Porcupine Quills"! It is clear that they are holding me to a much higher standard than the majority here!

It has been my experience in Naperville with the city and its businesses for the most part that I have done business with that it is their way or no way. They even violate their own terms of advertised hospitality and discriminate UNLAWFULLY.

I have to nip that in the bud. They cannot just trounce anyone they want without repercussions that is a law of physics!

You and Kat may construe yourselves as my friend in context with my shrink wrap contract but you do me no service when you open the door by evading that contract and ignore it by divulging its contents that are specifically guarded.

What would you and Kat do if I did similarly to the both of you and ignored your rules and contracts?

You did not give me the courtesy to ask like I instruct in the contract! I specifically provide for the option that if you have any questions contact me and my email address is available all over my web site!

Now what would you do? What would the Sun do if I invaded their secured areas and publicized privileged and protected information! You guys would be on my "tail" like a bolt of lightening.

No, my web site is my domain of control and you, Kat and the Sun don't control that jurisdiction.

So I plead with you and Kat and the Sun to comply!

I will, in good time divulge what I believe and determine to be beneficial not you, Kat the Sun or anyone else!

As I said elsewhere I am in overload and you have to wait your turn. I just don't drop everything and service you because there are others ahead of you. The Naperville Sun is not the only newspaper in the area and there are others making allegations and comments that need to be answered also.

So it is my position that if you, (pleural), don't comply and respect my control areas then you have to be responsible for your actions.

I think it is obvious why I have to do it this way. There are a lot of negative minded sharks out there that will twist things beyond belief that is why I protected it as elaborately as I did with tracking software!

You will note by reading my Flicker site portrait articles that at the bottom I have posted all my comments used in this forum. Please read them and note what Magee has deleted. There was nothing wrong with those posts considering what has been allowed in this forum. It is clear to me that there has been favoritism shown to certain participants and me being the object of this forum and not been given the same consideration.

I hold Magee and the Sun responsible for not respecting the terms of use in my domain just as they would expect of me here dealing the security of their databases!

I believe you, Kat and the Sun owe me that respect and compliance!

When Kat saw the warning at the top of the second link after seeing and reading the first she knew that there were rules of participation and should have minimally made note publicly of those terms and included that link in that context that shows that contractual requirement before she/he posted the first link! She/He should have looked for the version of that first link that is formatted as the second with the warning. The first link was not a published link and a BOT must have scanned it otherwise she/he would not have found it. It was stored in an obscure site as backup content and is not and official posting.

When I asked specific compliance users should have given me the courtesy of compliance considering the context of its published version at the angelfire site.

I did not ask you and Kat to remove your comments just rewrite them so to comply with my, "The Porcupine Quills" TERMS OF USE CONTRACT!

Please comply!

I Remain,
Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”

Scott M. Huber
6:40 AM CDT
8-24-09

I believe this applies to Scott's tent or hut!! So evict him and tear down the structure!

5-2D-2: TENTS; EXEMPTIONS:


No tent shall be erected, maintained, operated or used within the city; provided, however, that temporary tents may be erected for a period not exceeding thirty (30) days for religious, educational or recreational purposes and for a period not exceeding fourteen (14) days for sales or commercial purposes. A special permit shall be secured from the director of transportation, engineering and development or his or her designee if such installations are to be available for use by members of the general public.

No more than four (4) temporary tent permits shall be permitted within a twelve (12) month period, and a period of at least seven (7) days shall be required between each permit period. Any permitted tent shall comply with the bulk, yard and space requirements applicable to accessory uses of the underlying zoning district.

Parking requirements shall also be met for the principal use as well as the increased requirement resulting from the use of the permitted tent.

The Naperville park district shall be exempt from the special permit requirements of this section for temporary tents erected on property owned, leased, or otherwise under the control of the park district, but only to the extent such tents are used for the educational or recreational purposes of the park district for a period not exceeding thirty (30) days. All such installations shall conform to the standards of subsection 5-2D-2.1 of this section. The department of transportation, engineering and development shall assist the park district in training park district employees to inspect such installations to determine conformance with the standards described herein. (Ord. 06-301, 12-19-2006, eff. 1-1-2007)

1.Safety Requirements: The design, construction, maintenance and use of such temporary tents shall be reasonably safe to persons and property and shall comply with the following standards:

1.1. Tent Tarpaulins: Tent tarpaulins and all decorative materials shall be treated to render the materials flame resistant for the period for which the permit is granted, in accordance with the provisions of the fire prevention code 2.

1.2. Structural Supports: Tents shall be adequately guyed, supported and braced to withstand a wind pressure of not less than twenty (20) pounds per square foot of projected area. Tent poles shall be stayed with wire ropes; fiber rope shall be used only for mooring to stakes.

1.3. Fire Separation: No tent shall be erected nearer than ten feet (10') to interior lot lines or to any building on the lot and shall not occupy more than seventy five percent (75%) of the premises; unless otherwise approved by the building official under conditions which do not endanger the public safety.

1.4. Exitways: Not less than twenty two inches (22") exit width shall be provided for each five hundred (500) square feet of public space enclosed, with a minimum width of exitway of forty four inches (44"). When the occupancy load is more than six hundred (600), there shall be at least three (3) exitways and if more than one thousand (1,000) there shall be at least four (4) exitways. The line of travel to an exitway shall be not more than one hundred fifty feet (150').

1.5. Aisles And Passageways: There shall not be more than eleven (11) seats between any seat and the nearest aisle. All exitway aisles and passageways shall be maintained free and unobstructed at all times during the occupancy of the tent. Aisles shall be not less than twenty four inches (24") in width when serving not more than sixty (60) individuals, and not less than thirty six inches (36") in width when serving more than sixty (60) individuals. When aisles are divided by a column or other obstruction, a minimum width of twenty two inches (22") shall be left on each side.

1.6. Combustible Materials: No hay, straw, shavings or similar combustible materials shall be allowed within the tent structure other than that necessary for the daily feeding and care of animals, and sawdust and shavings for use in performances when kept damp. No combustible materials shall be permitted under stands or seats at any time.

1.7. Combustible Trash: The area within and adjacent to tents shall be maintained clear of all grass and underbrush creating a fire hazard within a radius of fifty feet (50'); and all combustible trash shall be removed from the enclosure at all performances.

1.8. Exposed Flames: No gasoline, gas, charcoal or other heating or cooking device or other exposed flame not connected with the performance or exhibit shall be allowed inside or within twenty feet (20') of the tent enclosure.

1.9. Spotlighting: Spot or effect lighting shall be by electricity only; and all combustible construction within six feet (6') of such equipment shall be protected with asbestos not less than one-fourth inch (1/4") thick or other approved noncombustible insulation.

1.10. Fire Protection: Portable fire extinguishing equipment and firefighting tools shall be provided, complying with the provisions of the fire prevention code 3, as directed by the chief of the fire department. When deemed necessary, the chief of the fire department may direct the organization of a fire brigade trained in the operation of fire extinguishing equipment and the emergency evacuating of the occupants.

2.Fire Watchers: One or more qualified persons to serve as fire watchers shall be employed by all circuses, carnivals or large exhibitions where such crowds assemble. They shall familiarize themselves with all fire protection facilities and fire prevention features and with the condition of exits and shall patrol the entire tent area during the time of occupancy. They shall see that aisles and exitways are open and that "no smoking" rules are enforced. (Ord. 330.70, 8-17-1970)

Chief Dave Dial said I have broken no laws!

Mayor George Pradel said on behalf of he City Council that I am not Homeless!

That means that you legal schmeagles and guard house "lawyers" don't know what you are talking about!

You put interpretations on my simple tarp over my belongings used on this protest strike line into your mold and it does not jell!

It is not a hut, tent or a structure no more than a tarp over a car with a tail or flap that I could sit under! Selah!

Scott M. Huber
2:37 PM CDT
8-24-09

i tried this once- sit the two disagreeing parties down for a beer, it works every time! Naperville, meet beer diplomacy

By GJC on August 24, 2009 7:03 AM

The hubris of suggesting a 25k payout on behalf of the city is unimaginable, and the fact that Sybil keeps calling it an offer. I admit, I would like to hear a counterproposal from Huber, though I am fairly sure that one will never be forthcoming, and if it did come about I imagine it would be in the 8 figure range!

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My offer of 25-50k was only a suggestive offer. I in no way represent the City of Naperville and clearly called for CM Bob to be the negotiator...the Henry Kissinger if you will of Naperville.

As a community we have to learn it is not shameful to compromise.

Also Mr. Huber needs to compromise. He is no longer winning with his record shattering protest. He is losing his teeth and backbone due to his stubborness. Neither can be replaced.

When he walked to the podium at the City Council Meeting on August 18th, I noticed his back was out of whack compared to his excellent posture at A@A Electrons back in the hay days. This I suspect is due to having to sleep sitting up crooked each night since the NPD has drawn the line on sleeping on the sidewalk. So there is a War of Attrition going on between the NPD and Huber. I am sure the NPD thought they would have won the War of Attrition by now and Huber's back would have given in by this time to many herniated discs. It is damaged but not destroyed yet based on my observation.

Obviously, the NPD is losing its patience in this W of A.

Bloggers who are constantly calling for legal action as a first step do not understand the expense of legal action.

First, not one person has got a committment from Margo Ely that her 11 person in-house legal team will handle this case instead of farming it out to the high priced Chicago Law Firms. If they would step up to the place and do some work instead of collect and waste taxpayer money we could save a few million here and there. I am sure there are many other cases they farmed out besides Furstenau and the Napergate Man, but I just don't know about them because they did not get publicity. (Just for the record, I do not know the exact number of staff in the legal dept....my estimate is based on the fact they had 9 in the Napergate Days according to Napergate Ads published in the Naperville Sun when the town was under a 100k. I added 2 for now based on the growth to be conservative. Maybe they have 15 on the legal staff.) Maybe CM Bob can help us here as he has helped us so many times in the past.

My point is why do we have so many lawyers in our legal dept. if all they do is farm out their work??? Scott Huber is not a lawyer but is doing research to file his own lawsuit. Why can not educated, degreed, registered and licensed lawyers defend against him? Why can't they do research as Huber does research? So what if Sidewalk Law is not taught in school. Figure it out one way or another and spare us these outside law firm's outrageous legal bills.

In the Furstenau Case they used the lame excuse of Conflicts of Interest not to defend against his case and it cost us 1.5 million. There was no lame excuse in the Napergate Case and they still used 2 or 3 outside law firms to handle the 10 year marathon legal case at an estimated cost of $10,000,000 to taxpayers. If it could have been handled internally and our attorneys did not have to go home at 5pm sharp, maybe it would have only cost us taxpayers $2 million instead of $10,000,000.

If our lawyers in City Hall are not going to step up to the plate and take on a homeless person with no resources other than his intelligence, I say let us dismantle the LEGAL DEPT. and save a few million. Whenever someone sues, the City Manager can hand it over to a law firm that has contracted to work for the city at reduced rates. BTW, many towns do not have legal departments and operate in this fashion.

If this ordinance is passed against Huber specifically we are in trouble. CM BOB during the council meeting told the world that memos have circulated in City Hall stating it was directed specically against this man. He let the rabbit out of the hat after some of his colleagues made fools of themselves pretending this ordinance had nothing to do with Scott Huber.

Doug Krause really looked lame and naive when he stated he wanted this ordinance because he felt the sidewalks of Naperville were not safe and a car could hit Huber....lol.... He is set far back and pretty safe. I would be more concerned about all the drunks who walk on the streets or cross without looking before I would be worried about Huber. Anyway, Huber stood up and told CM Krause there is risk in all life activities and you can not move forward if you do not take a risk in life. He is correct. (I hope there is no "shrink wrap" rules in discussing what I witnessed during the City Council proceedings.)

Mayor Pradel also told Huber this ordinance was not directed towards him. He mentioned he helped Huber modify a few parking tickets for Huber when he was Officer Friendly.(I hope what he did was legal). Anyway Huber told him he recalls that but the issue is what happened since he modified those few tickets which Huber interpreted as petty, ridiculous and a form of harassment.

Anyway, I see both sides viewpoints. I for one don't like to see that ugly plastic hut when I drive downtown. Until a compromise is reached the city should get him a brand new pretty blue small tent that would not be an eyesore and in which all his equipment will fit. And since they already put a porta-o-pottie 5 yards behind him they can give him a porta-o-shower so he can smell good when he enters the elitist stores in downtown Naperville.. When these retailers call the NPD every time he enters their establishments, it costs us taxpayers money. I am calling for these temporary measures as long as he is willing to begin negotiations in good faith for a permanent solution to this Naperville Crisis. I bet people in the Middle East are laughing at us for dealing with this as if it was a crisis in need of permanent solution. I guess in some way we are trying to find Mr. Humber a homeland of sorts. He deserves that. No one should be homeless whether the Palestinians or Mr. Huber. They are all human beings and should be treated as human beings.

I can not believe GJC and others are calling for a legal battle right after a dismissal that cost us, taxpayers, 1.5 million dollars. Furstenau and his attorneys went down easy and pretty much surrendered. Do you folks think this steadfast and resilient man is going down easy or surrender? The Napergate Man who had a similar strong personality took us to the Appellate Levels in the 1990s and to the Supreme Court in the mid 80s. Mr. Huber will take us to the Supreme Courts of both Illinios and the USA. He will prove that the ordinance was specifically directed towards him by simply deposing and subpoening CM Bob. He will subpoena the City Council video tape of Aug 18, 2009 and show that all those who said it was not directed towards him lied and perjured themselves after CM Bob announced and suddenly became the "whistleblower" before the City Council meeting even adjourned. No wonder our City Council can't win a court battle....they are not even united...they do not even have a spokesperson....they are all loose canons. You would think Margo Ely would have ordered them into Executive Session and try to control them. But apparently Margo Ely would rather serve the role of a potted plant and await her monthly payroll check. I hope one of the council members remembers to water her...lol...

The city will lose this case just like they lost the Napergate Case. We will be lucky if it only cost us taxpayers 10 million bucks as lawyers are more expensive now than in the Napergate Era. As some said in the City Council meeting his only crime is he is a visible homeless man while all other homeless people are invisible and do not bother us.

I am saying we need to make Huber a decent offer. He needs to visit a dentist and a chiropractor and have some money left over to open his Computer Store. While Huber is not speaking, neither is Chief David Dial about the alleged theft of Huber's equipment from the storage facility? Let us see the police report on this case. Will the City release it?

Did the NPD not investigate this "theft" as Huber alleges? Maybe this storage facility did jump the gun and sell Huber's equipment and property without the proper notificaion of a certifed letter notifying him it was going to happen? Many storage facilites are unethical. How many A/C companies have we seen on ABC 20/20 that come urinate on your A/C units and tell you they did the annual inspection including changing all filters and hand you a bill for 172 dollars? How many storage and moving companies have we seen on TV promise you one price and later hit you with something you can not afford.

Even AT@T is running sort of a scam these days. They promised me this latest Uverse System and told me I can get 8 High Definition TVs rolling at one time. They lied as I can only get 2 at a time. They told me later I can get 2 HD connections and 6 Digital Connections at the same time. They lied and I can only get 2 HD and 2 DC at the same time. They promised me a U100 package with most of the channels I wanted and they delivered a Family Package which is U100 minus 100 channels. They promised me 2 DVRs that record 360 hours and 6 DVRs that each record 180 hours. I got one DVR that can record 360 hours and all the other 7 DVRS use the main one for recording and have no recording ability or capacity of their own.(So if AT@T can pull a scam, why do you guys thing a storage company can not pull a scam.)

Anyway, I felt the AT@T deal was too good to be real for 159 dollars which also included 2 phone lines and a very high speed internet service, so I forced them to rewire my whole house and not use my existing cable lines. I never disconnected my old cable service as I had my suspicians. Two technicians making 31 dollars an hour and 7 hours at the OT rate of 46.5 per hour spent 15 hours rewiring my entire home and brought equipment worth over 2000 dollars. Since they lied to me, I am dumping them and reconnecting my old cable. They cost themselves a good 3000 or 4000 dollars for all their lies. I had just read Chief Dial's column that said if it sounds to good to be real, it probably is. It was and I screwed AT@T after they attempted to screw me. I had an old cable system from 1985 that I was grandfathered in for a price of $19.99. It is not High Definition but you don't miss what you never had so I am sticking with it. And AT@T is out BIG BUCKS....thankfully and not me. If they want to unwire my home, it will cost them another 3-4000 dollars...lol..

In summary let us not doubt, Mr. Scott Huber. Let us investigate his case regarding this storage company in Naperville. Maybe they did steal his equipment and the NPD refused to help him. If that is the case let us PAY UP and SHUT UP!

scott- i failed 10,000 times before i discovered the light bulb. time to get back on your feet. crying never got me anywhere.

love,
thomas edison

Leave it to naperville, a knew a war between classes would erupt there soon.... shouldn't you be building another high school, park, or much needed bike path?! u never can have enough in your towns case...

two words.... BUM WARS

Of issue with Kat on August 20, 2009 11:23 PM and Naperville Sun Publications....

I is clear that by maintaining the specific link, the first link Kat provided that she and the Sun have aided and abetted the invasion of privacy of private email communications between me and the sender of the email that heads and contains the document of issue.

It is clear that you should have sought other sources of information when you saw the email header and not gone any further with it!

Again I ask that you remove that link and rewrite the comment and insert the properly captioned link from PQ with the warning containing the same information minus the email header.

I think by now you know that a wrong has been committed and it needs an immediate fix.

Please comply with this demand!

Scott M. Huber

3:20 PM CDT
8-24-09

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 24, 2009 2:15 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 23, 2009 9:51 PM

You and Kat may construe yourselves as my friend in context with my shrink wrap contract but you do me no service when you open the door by evading that contract and ignore it by divulging its contents that are specifically guarded.

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Mr. Huber,

How can they be guarded when another blogger provided the link and I simply read the 100 pages and summarized them in an honest manner to present your story of "alleged harassment and abuse" that you are not willing to summarize and present for yourself.

Anyone can go to the link and read them so to say they are guarded defies logic and reason. If you don't want them read....take them down. You control the Web Site as it is yours.

Let us stop talking about porcupine and shrimp nonsense and get to the real meat of your case. If you don't, people will begin thinking you are a whacko even though you are obviously brilliant.

So heed my advice for your own sake. I, more than anyone else knows how these bloggers can become pit bulls and rip into you, a probably innocent person. Don't throw them any bones....except in the wrong direction as I always did.

Destroy their credibility with facts as I did. You appear to have the facts and evidence....now disclose them publicly.

I think the best thing we can all do for Mr. Huber is ignore him. All this attention is just feeding his paranoia and megalomania. "Shrink wrap contract"? 'Nuff said.

Omniscient let me clear up something about my relationship with the Naperville Police...

While out on the Protest site police could have been more sensitive and attentive to harassment from the public, especially some of its youth that comprised even police officers' sons from other jurisdictions like Lombard that deliberately taunted me and tried to enrage me assaulting me with projectiles from above and damaging my amenities and crowding me pushing right up next to me where I was sitting.

Some seem to have a policy that if Scott calls in for assistance give him the bums rush, let the offender go and critique Scott and his site for any infractions you can find. If you can't find any make some up! I have not otherwise been harassed with my protest site that I can recall.

Others have been very supportive and even handed and followed through with investigations, however as is usual I never get the upshot of the fall out in the case. The only thing I notice is that certain harassment and other activities have slowed or stopped.
Some have given me food and drink or soup. That has been appreciated.

All this help that police and the city are to have offered me has been food, drink, soup and temporary shelter at the police station…just temporary fixes.

The only other help has come from private citizens offering me temporary shelter but since I am 24/7 on the protest I have weathered it. Even when I had a room all I used it for 99% of the time was storage….I came back out here to protest!

No other services from the city have been offered me that I can recall. I think I would remember any notable offerings. So this bologna Sausage about all the offerings of the City and the Police that I have rejected to get me off the street and in a normal life style just don't hold water!

What I need from the police is their intense investigation of the swindle of my property, personal sensitive papers and inventory data and third party property in the storage scenario in which I did not get a reasonable time to respond nor was I noticed much less properly! You just don't destroy or liquidate other parties and third party property without proper notice and a lawful time to comply. The storage firm just did not follow he rules and could have resolved the problem amicably and refused and chose to destroy 1.7 to 2 million in properties for a $1500 bill that could have been worked out! It was a hit in my experience! Just another Hit in a string of many hits of non standard conducts privately and governmentally!

Courts should not just blow you out of the Courtroom when you are properly before them on an emergency injunction on fumes coming from shelters in Chicago and then get threatened with arrest and kicked out before the issues are announced and diligently, prudently analyzed and considered. U.S. District Justice Darrah did that to me when he was a Dupage County Chancery Judge using Appellate Justice Byrne's plaque card on his bench when Appellate Justice Byrne was Chief of Dupage County Chancery! This was also another Hit and probably in collusion with the storage people directly or indirectly!

So you see what happens when I "get off my" so called "'lazy' butt" to do something about issues impending!

Scott M. Huber
5:16 PM CDT
8-24-09

Moderator and CIJ...

You ignore the issues I put in my Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 24, 2009 2:15 PM message. You held this one up from 6:40 AM today and I reposted it!

You really think I am naive! I really suggest you comply just as you expect me to comply with your user rules!

CIJ you really think I am blind! You tell me about the first link and you really think that I don't think you looked at the second link and did not put it together? You really have to be low on the IQ poll if you think you will pull that off on me.

You would have been ok if you complied and you would have been ok with your other facts and good will but this positioning really baffles me! Two hours of reading would take you well into normally posted warning areas!

I appreciate your apparent intent to help but not by divulging private privileged information and deliberately disobeying my request that you comply! I am having this reviewed by legal!

Please comply. Shrink wraps hold true on the internet and are prosecutable!

The longer the information stays the bigger the "CHECK" I get!

I Remain,

Scott M. Huber
5:29 PM CDT
8-24-09

LET HIM ROT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ignore the narcisist and let time take its toll on him....

Some seem to have a policy that if Scott calls in for assistance give him the bums rush, let the offender go and critique Scott and his site for any infractions you can find.

Some people can't take a hint.

Wow,
I was afraid some of this might happen under this topic, as I tried to follow the Tribune article blog thread a month or so ago, but this thread is moving even more quickly.
I do feel for the situation, and for Mr. Huber, but I think that perhaps all of this has simply gone much too far. One can absolutely protest and picket whatever seems reasonable to them, but the idea of requiring or allowing a 24/7 level vigil is beyond me. What I have never understood is why the city doesn't move in and clear the site whenever they discover Huber isn't there. They could even charge him for the storage of his tent/tarp and generator, etc. [yes, I realize there is a storage facility joke in there somewhere, though i am trying to be serious].
I have tried to educate myself on some of the writings that are seemingly no longer linked from this site but found them as confounding as CIJ found them brilliant.
The conclusion that I have come to is that this process is now ongoing, and the city is clearly taking steps. I'd leave this one completely alone, and let it play out in the only possible venue that remains available, the court system.

It many be worth noting that the actual shrink wrap contract in question can be located at:
http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/king.html

If you accept the premise that this is legal, then make your own choice, click through to read further if you're willing to be bound by the agreement, or click to choose not to read further, saving yourself from legal prosecution.

If what Huber is doing is already in violation of city ordinance (as cited by a few here already) why did the council need to make another ordinance targeting him? Why not enforce the ordinances already on the books and just kick him out?

For those claiming that he is somehow "grandfathered" into the right to protest and therefore exempt from removal I have the following question: If someone routinely drives 40 MPH in a posted 35 MPH zone and for many years has never received a ticket, can they fight the ticket if they happen to receive one for getting caught going 40? Just because you have been lucky enough to not get caught doesn't make the law invalid.

And for those saying that we should pay this guy off to leave in an effort to save legal fee litigation. I was recently downtown Naperville and had a traumatic experience that is making me consider litigation. A city of Naperville truck drove by and honked its horn. I was so traumatized that I couldn't sleep for days. I am considering suing the city for this trauma, but would probably take a 50K payoff and save everyone the millions they would spend defending the case. Where do I send my complaint?

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 24, 2009 5:34 PM
Moderator and CIJ...

CIJ you really think I am blind! You tell me about the first link and you really think that I don't think you looked at the second link and did not put it together? You really have to be low on the IQ poll if you think you will pull that off on me.

You would have been ok if you complied and you would have been ok with your other facts and good will but this positioning really baffles me! Two hours of reading would take you well into normally posted warning areas!


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Some fellow posted a link. I went to it and read for 2 hours and no warning came up. I summarized what I read the next morning to the blog site.

The next day on the second link a posted warning did come up. I have not read anything from the second link yet, so I am not in any violations according even to your one-of-a-kind rules. So you need to apologize to me for the attacks you are making on me when I am trying to tell your story and neutralize all your vicious attackers. Since you say reading this second link the blogger posted would be a violation due to some kind of warning that is suppose to pop up somewhere, I am not going to read it since the only reason I planned on reading it was to try to help you explain your case.

I got information about the storage facility from the Daily Herald and not from anywhere else. I knew about your shop because I was a customer. I talked to people who have talked to you about additional information I posted. They did not warn me that I was not allowed to repeat what they said to me.

It sounds to me like the storage company violated its procedures in evicting you. I would tend to believe if they let you in the storage room to grab some items you could have come up with the 1500 dollars since you allege to have had nearly 2 million dollars worth of equipment and goods in there. Where did you get 2 million from? Your shop looked like it had 100-200k at most? If you had a manuscript for a book you can not estimate it to be worth 1.8 million before a publisher accepts it. Please explain in detail how you arrived at 1.7 to 2 million dollars. That is a large sum of money. You can buy a turn key McDonalds for that kind of money that can make you at least a quarter million dollars a year in pure net profit.

The primary culprit sounds like the storage facility. If you went to court and you felt you were mistreated, you should have appealed. I am sure you were around during the Napergate Era and watched the Napergate Man appeal his infamous Kangaroo Verdict he received in City Hall and have it reversed. Why did you not appeal the Dupage Verdict to the Illinois Appellate Court and have it REVERSED? Even if they dismiss your case you have a right to appeal the dismissal all the way up to the Supreme Court if you so wish. You must know that after 8 years of legal research in downtown libraries and bookstores.

And if you presented this "crime scene" to the NPD and they did nothing, they also must be guilty of gross negligence. Why did you not bring suit against them? It has been 8 years. Are you not concerned about Statute of Limitations as others and I mentioned to you on this blog site?

While I do agree that lower court judges tend to favor City Hall over the individual, higher court panels of Appellate Judges do not have this favoritism and tend to reverse lower court judges who are trying to be in with the establishment and be voted back in office. So while the system is partially corrupt as you correctly state, it is not fully corrupt as long as you know how to file an appeal. Filing an APPEAL is usually a better solution than protesting or striking on a sidewalk and talking to powerless residents who can only give you sympathy and a few dollars. Let us face it you got nowhere in 8 years, except you may have finally possibly frustrated the city into passing a SPECIFIC ordinance directed against you, that will allow you to hang them to dry for discriminatory practices. (CM Bob spelled it for you and you did not even thank him yet. Please thank him as he reads this blog site frequently.)

I think you need to spend some time reviewing how the Napergate Man tackled City Hall if you expect to have a chance to beat the entrenched Establishment. You still have access to Nichols Library so take advantage while you can. That is where I learned about the NGM. He was systematic and calculating in his destruction of City Hall. You need to follow in his footsteps if you want to succeed.

If you want to have a chance you need to be systematic, destructive and persistent ready to appeal any adverse decision along the way. Stop wasting your time on shrimp and porcupine as I promise you it will get you nowhere with the residents or in our semi-corrupt court system.

I am not naive. I do a lot of research as you do. I am trying to stir you in the right direction. I know the judicial system is difficult to navigate but it can be dealt with if you have the facts and evidence. No judge is going against hard core evidence especially if he suspects you will appeal. He does not want his superiors to make a public fool of him for a bad ruling. Any time he is reversed his record is tarnished a little more until he is eventually removed from the bench for bad judgment. He also does not want the local press questioning him about a foolish decision. The media light is shining on you like it once shone on the Napergate Man so it becomes difficult for a judge to give it to you up the wazzooooo and not be held accountable. If you had no publicity, it would be easier for a Judge to mistreat and abuse you. So the publicity you gotten for yourself is PROTECTION. I believe the Napergate Man used the same tactic of 44 full page ads in the Naperville Sun to put every Judge in Dupage and the Federal Courst System on notice that he expects to be treated fairly.....and he was once he got out of the Naperville Kangaroo Court System established SPECIFICALLY to proseucte him in the City of Naperville. Big mistake!

CM Bob apparently knows the history of this town very well and is warning early on against a repeat of this Napergate Disaster. He knows what he is talking about. Other council member should heed his WARNING. He is after all a brilliant attorney who should not be underestimated by either his colleagues on the City Council or Huber. Both sides should trust him to negotiate a settlement out of court through simple arbitration. Let us get it over with fair and square to both sides.

Show a judge, Mr. Huber, that the Storage Facility had no right to drill your storage room and sell ita contents before a specific date in writing, and you will own the whole Storage Facility. But talk and heresay are cheap both here and in a courtroom. You know that better than I do since I am naive and you are brilliant.

Furstenau had all the goods supposedly but nothing stood up in court. They must have been the wrong kind of goods. The Napergate Man had apparently the right kind of goods that stood up in courtroom after courtroom which included video tape of harassment and eyewitnesses as well as documents. Now what kind of goods do you have on City Hall....Furstenau type goods or Napergate Man type goods? Please lay it out, Mr. Huber.

If you have the right goods you will win. If you have the wrong goods you will lose. If you have NO goods you will also lose.

Good luck to you, Mr. Huber and start moving without delay. Eight long years of protest went by fast and another 8 years will go by even faster. Life is short and you need to take advantage of every breath you have left on this earth.

And please tone down the rhetoric just a bit against those who are trying to help you with your cause and its righteousness.

Thank you!

CIJ


I believe this applies to Scott's tent or hut!! So evict him and tear down the structure!

5-2D-2: TENTS; EXEMPTIONS:


No tent shall be erected, maintained, operated or used within the city; provided, however, that temporary tents may be erected for a period not exceeding thirty (30) days for religious, educational or recreational purposes and for a period not exceeding fourteen (14) days for sales or commercial purposes. A special permit shall be secured from the director of transportation, engineering and development or his or her designee if such installations are to be available for use by members of the general public.

No more than four (4) temporary tent permits shall be permitted within a twelve (12) month period, and a period of at least seven (7) days shall be required between each permit period. Any permitted tent shall comply with the bulk, yard and space requirements applicable to accessory uses of the underlying zoning district.

Parking requirements shall also be met for the principal use as well as the increased requirement resulting from the use of the permitted tent.

The Naperville park district shall be exempt from the special permit requirements of this section for temporary tents erected on property owned, leased, or otherwise under the control of the park district, but only to the extent such tents are used for the educational or recreational purposes of the park district for a period not exceeding thirty (30) days. All such installations shall conform to the standards of subsection 5-2D-2.1 of this section. The department of transportation, engineering and development shall assist the park district in training park district employees to inspect such installations to determine conformance with the standards described herein. (Ord. 06-301, 12-19-2006, eff. 1-1-2007)

1.Safety Requirements: The design, construction, maintenance and use of such temporary tents shall be reasonably safe to persons and property and shall comply with the following standards:

1.1. Tent Tarpaulins: Tent tarpaulins and all decorative materials shall be treated to render the materials flame resistant for the period for which the permit is granted, in accordance with the provisions of the fire prevention code 2.

1.2. Structural Supports: Tents shall be adequately guyed, supported and braced to withstand a wind pressure of not less than twenty (20) pounds per square foot of projected area. Tent poles shall be stayed with wire ropes; fiber rope shall be used only for mooring to stakes.

1.3. Fire Separation: No tent shall be erected nearer than ten feet (10') to interior lot lines or to any building on the lot and shall not occupy more than seventy five percent (75%) of the premises; unless otherwise approved by the building official under conditions which do not endanger the public safety.

1.4. Exitways: Not less than twenty two inches (22") exit width shall be provided for each five hundred (500) square feet of public space enclosed, with a minimum width of exitway of forty four inches (44"). When the occupancy load is more than six hundred (600), there shall be at least three (3) exitways and if more than one thousand (1,000) there shall be at least four (4) exitways. The line of travel to an exitway shall be not more than one hundred fifty feet (150').

1.5. Aisles And Passageways: There shall not be more than eleven (11) seats between any seat and the nearest aisle. All exitway aisles and passageways shall be maintained free and unobstructed at all times during the occupancy of the tent. Aisles shall be not less than twenty four inches (24") in width when serving not more than sixty (60) individuals, and not less than thirty six inches (36") in width when serving more than sixty (60) individuals. When aisles are divided by a column or other obstruction, a minimum width of twenty two inches (22") shall be left on each side.

1.6. Combustible Materials: No hay, straw, shavings or similar combustible materials shall be allowed within the tent structure other than that necessary for the daily feeding and care of animals, and sawdust and shavings for use in performances when kept damp. No combustible materials shall be permitted under stands or seats at any time.

1.7. Combustible Trash: The area within and adjacent to tents shall be maintained clear of all grass and underbrush creating a fire hazard within a radius of fifty feet (50'); and all combustible trash shall be removed from the enclosure at all performances.

1.8. Exposed Flames: No gasoline, gas, charcoal or other heating or cooking device or other exposed flame not connected with the performance or exhibit shall be allowed inside or within twenty feet (20') of the tent enclosure.

1.9. Spotlighting: Spot or effect lighting shall be by electricity only; and all combustible construction within six feet (6') of such equipment shall be protected with asbestos not less than one-fourth inch (1/4") thick or other approved noncombustible insulation.

1.10. Fire Protection: Portable fire extinguishing equipment and firefighting tools shall be provided, complying with the provisions of the fire prevention code 3, as directed by the chief of the fire department. When deemed necessary, the chief of the fire department may direct the organization of a fire brigade trained in the operation of fire extinguishing equipment and the emergency evacuating of the occupants.

2.Fire Watchers: One or more qualified persons to serve as fire watchers shall be employed by all circuses, carnivals or large exhibitions where such crowds assemble. They shall familiarize themselves with all fire protection facilities and fire prevention features and with the condition of exits and shall patrol the entire tent area during the time of occupancy. They shall see that aisles and exitways are open and that "no smoking" rules are enforced. (Ord. 330.70, 8-17-1970)

do u know how pathetic all of us are?! we sit around and decide the fate of another guy like its nobody's business. let the city and this wacko work it out, cus i hate to spit the truth here-but your "opinions" dont matter what so ever in determining the outcome. peace out.

jay cutler

By Anonymous ONE on August 24, 2009 9:13 PM
If what Huber is doing is already in violation of city ordinance (as cited by a few here already) why did the council need to make another ordinance targeting him? Why not enforce the ordinances already on the books and just kick him out?

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Because the city appears inefficient and borderline incompetent.

The legal dept. has shown its extreme weakness when it farmed out the Furstenau and Napergate Cases at a cost of 11.5 million dollars to Naperville Taxpayers instead of dealing with them in-house. I don't believe the conflict of interest baloney in the Furstenau Case one iota. Imagine there was a conflict of interest here but there was NONE when CM Wehrli voted to help Cousin Wehrli get out of quicksands of the Pond of Hobson West Mud Mess. Where is the consistency, Margo? Furstenau was excluded from the Executive Sessions, was not allowed to vote on issues involving his case and he is not allowed to speak to City Attorneys so why was there a Conflict of Interest that cost us 1.1 million dollars in additional fees besides the estimated 400k in-house?

If the city council continues to allow the legal dept. to farm out cases they need to buy a hose and start watering the 11 potted plants that compose the legal dept.

I believe the ordinances were there from Day One to remove Mr. Huber as you and others correctly are suggesting. I also believe since they did nothing for 8 years the rules of the game have changed. The city knows this and so does Mr. Huber. That is why we are at our current stalemate. The city is afraid to take action because they recall vividly what happened in Napergate. They are trying to avoid a catastrophe but CM Bob may have saved them early by blowing the whistle now instead of in the middle of a costly trial. Kudos to CM Bob. He may have saved the taxpayers a few million with his timely "whistle blowing" about this discriminatory ordinance that is being proposed directly and specifically for Mr. Huber.

Unlike a car that goes 40 in a 35 that no one knows about, City Hall and the NPD knew about Huber for 8 years and did nothing. And now in their utter stupidity or wisdom, call it what you may, they want to pass a discriminatory ordinance directed at ONLY Mr. Huber.

I am calling for the dismantling of the Legal Dept. In my opinion they are useless. We could use 11 more hot dog stands in the downtown area to join Joey the Hot Dog Man. Instead of giving each attorney we terminate severance pay and/or pension pay outs, let us give each a hot dog stand with their name plate on the cart. Hopefully, they will donate some hot dogs and bratwursts to Scott once in a while until we find a way to settle with him.

Undoubtedly, our legal department is unable to comprehend or understand the numerous ordinances in place. They have no backbone. They are afraid of what a penniless and homeless man can do to them. We deserve more for our money in this town. Does anyone disagree???

By jay cutler on August 24, 2009 10:53 PM
do u know how pathetic all of us are?! we sit around and decide the fate of another guy like its nobody's business. let the city and this wacko work it out, cus i hate to spit the truth here-but your "opinions" dont matter what so ever in determining the outcome. peace out.

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Jay,

Apparently what you don't understand is we the residential taxpayers of Naperville are the City of Naperville. It is our responsibility to deal with problems concerning our city when our government develops impotence and refuses to take viagra.

CIJ

Mr. Huber,

Some questions for you.

1. Did you ever sue the Storage Facility that robbed you of $1.7 to 2 million of your belongings? If not, why not?

2. Can you prove through video or an independent inventory that you had nearly 2 million in valuabels at this storage facility?

3. Did you attempt to bring charges against this facility for allegedly stealing your belongings with the NPD? If you did, why did the NPD reject your case?

4. What role if any did the City of Naperville have in closing your A @ A Electronices, TV and VCR repair business? Were you affected by street contruction or city harassment at the time or what is it that makes you blame the City for the demise of your business?

5. I went to court and got 24 cents on the dollar in a similar but stronger case than yours that attorneys took on a contingency basis. No one pays a dime on an item unless you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Every item you have is depreciated to the maximum and in some cases brought down to zero value. If your business has goodwill you have to prove it with profit and loss statements going back at least 3 years. If you had no profit, your business is worth ZERO in the opinion of most experts....and the courts will give you ZILCH. If you did not file Federal and State Income Taxes or can not provide them, the Judge will turn you into the Criminal Division of the IRS and your new home will be the Federal Prison System instead of a Naperville Sidewalk. I just want you to be fully aware before you take your next step. Lots of landmines exist in these kinds of cases. They are not easy.

6. I mentioned the above because I want you to make a reasonable counter offer to the City of Naperville and not blame them for everything. You must hold the storage company proportionately responsible for what they did to you.

7.You and I know the city wants you off the SIDWALK and that is mostly why they are willing to make you an offer to get you off the sidewalk. You must know they want to beat Fort Collins for 1st place in next years Mony/CNN poll. You and I know this can not happen if you live on the sidewalk. Thus you have a lot of leverage and need to use it before the next ranking comes out. The mountain was an excuse why they came in second place. You were the REAL REASON and they are very upset at you. So make a deal while they are boiling and angry at you!

8. The City has limits as to how far they will go in an out of court settlement. In court it is not going to happen if you did not take action in over 8 years. Many statues of limitations may have expired on your lost equipment although the harassement issues are still on the table as long as they have been continuous and uninterrupted as appears to be the case.

9. Making a deal saves your back, teeth and health. That should be important to you. You broke the city's back finally and smashed their teeth so this is the time to negotiate. Not after they go to the chiropractor and have back adjusments and then to the dentist to have new implants. Move when you have them cornered. Not after they wizzle out of the corner.

10. Finally, if you want bloggers to take you seriously as I am don't mention this "shrimp wrap contract or violation thing." Even though it may make sense to you or to someone from MARS, it makes sense to no one else. Maybe you are more brilliant than the rest of us but if you want to relate to us, you must speak our language....plain English.


NOTHING BUT THE BEST OF LUCK TO YOU SCOTT. I KNOW YOU HAVE BEEN THROUGH HELL SO LET US END THIS HELL ON EARTH FOR YOUR SAKE AND OUR SAKE.

Thank you! `

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 24, 2009 9:19 PM

When you read the second link and saw the warning and the title "ADDITIONAL UPDATES > PAGE Y2K3 and saw that the first link had a similar title including the words “Additional Updates” you knew that the warning covered that document too! Don’t play Guard House Lawyer with me!

The Warning has a link to the shrink wrap Contract which is a requisite to reading any further in the second link and retroactively applied to your having read the first link and YOU KNEW IT because the shrink wrap takes into consideration alternative access points…

“Any person or the like that attempts to gain access circumventing this contractual agreement shield of protection and / or password system, including using direct urls that are subordinate to this page including via search engines or tracking devices and the like will be considered to have committed computer fraud which is prosecutable as noted elsewhere in this site! “

It is clear that you violated the contract when you wrote about the contents you read even though you might have been unaware of the warning in the second link because when you became aware of the warning you continued to write about the contents in link one. That goes for anyone else TOO!

The shrink wrap contract further states that…

The spirit of the restrictions described in this statement is controlling over and above any legalistic or loophole attempt to enter my password controlled site, pages or prohibited areas within any site created by myself or my agents: i.e.: One that has NOT harmed me nor intends to harm me in any way, shape or form will be allowed into this site.

You harmed me when you illegally published the contents of my protected documents! Maybe you did it with good intentions but you should have taken it down immediately when I asked you to so to comply with the warning that by this time you already knew about by your own testimony.

The above is were the rub between you me and the contract accrues!

Your intent in your comments has an appearance of good intent in some places but vacillates to the negative and the devil in other places so it hard to define what you intended motive is overall! Your refusal to comply with my User Terms in the shrink wrap swings your efforts of intercessor friend to the Devil side of the spectrum! Moderator Magee also has done that and violated his own policy of fairness and respect for colleague publication requirements! You will note that Magee is like a hawk about policy here in this forum but he overstepped his own standards line when he refused to take down the Kat and your comments that clearly violate my publications terms!

He, as of my observations of this blog this morning 8-25-09 has removed the Kat response with the links of question! This further supports your need to also comply!

My shrink wrap further states…
“Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval.“

In the above context you violated the contract and deliberately published contents of my newspaper by relating information to people not aware of the contract or not allowed in my restricted links of my newspaper “The Porcupine Quills” by nature of the contract!

So you really need to remove the information if you are truly trying to help me and are a “Friend” as you suggest and my shrink wrap contract requires in order to receive the information you posted.

Now dump the Guard House Lawyer act and get with it my “Friend”!

You and Kat have both been encouraged to rewrite your posts so to comply with my shrink wrap. Kat should get the direct copy of the document not the email version which is an invasion of my and the sender’s privacy! It was not intended for publication! I don’t oppose the links being posted to the legitimate documents at Angelfire but the shrink wrap warning link should be posted first with the others following that contain the warning header!

Additionally, I am not able to access the database the email version appears in due to security passwords that were stolen from me and since forgotten with “lost password “ features which would reset the password not available because the email address it sends to is obsolete!

Please comply with my shrink wrap as at this time you and the Sun and their employees, subcontractors and agents of you and they are considered unauthorized to access my restricted PQ links especially due to your unfriendly acts of relating information!

….“Unauthorized attempts by the excluded parties above noted to view, upload, download, relate to others or change information on this service is strictly prohibited and may be punishable under the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986.

If you want to discuss this in private feel free to email me!

Selah!

Scott M. Huber
8:29 AM CDT
8-25-09


barack on August 24, 2009 2:40 PM

I don't drink! The reason I don't drink is because of the critics like you see in this forum. If I drank and they smelled alcohol on me they would label me skid row and would send me straight to hell like a gal I used to know in the Twin Cities did saying I was drunk and all I had eaten was peanut butter! They call me a bum even without alcohol on me!

Scott M. Huber
8:49 AM
8-25-09

KEEP IN MIND FOLKS....

You can read all my posts at this forum right away, no delay or delete, at

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@N08/2370191842/

Scott M. Huber
9:44 AM CDT
8-25-09

Mr. Scott M. Huber,

As I said as long as you waste your time talking about this nonsense shrink wrap, you will turn even your FRIENDS who are trying to help you off.

You need to model yourself after the Napergate Man, not a Man from Mars, if you hope to have a chance to succeed in beating City Hall.

Beating City Hall is one of the most difficult tasks on earth. It happens once every 100 years. Did you not see how they spent $1.5 million on Furstenau just to obtain a dismissal? Did you not know they spent 10 million dollars on the Napergate Man and only surrendered at the Appellate Levels of both Illinois and the United States for fear of having to be accountable to the taxpayers for a 12 million dollar legal bill instead of only 10 million and then conveniently lost all the records? Do you think they will leave a stone unturned or a dollar unspent in fighting you, Mr. Huber?

This is no rose garden you are entering. You are entering a battle zone that is not "shrink wrapped." Almost everything goes in these legal battles publicly or in court rooms unless the Judges impose gags....a rarity. Only he can impose gags. Not you or the City of Naperville. To the best of my knowledge there are no existing legal gag orders and "shrink wraps" are not ORDERS under constitutional law, state law, or city ordinances.

You have not been able to persuade the NPD to prosecute the
Storage Facility for "stealing" nearly 2 million of your equipment.

Do you really think you will persuade them to prosecute Kat and I for unintentionally and unknowingly violating your "shrink wrap" ordinances, rules and laws that may not even be legitimate or legal except in your Mar's Mind.

I honestly don't know what "shrink wrap" means and have no interest in finding out. I am not going back to any of your sites for additional information so if I stepped on your toes unintentionaly, I apologize and let us move forward. When someone offers you an apology, you need to accept the apology, and move forward. I am apologizing whether I did something wrong or not to break this shrink wrap stalemante which is a complete waste of time. (Too bad the City did not apologize to Furstenau whether he was right or wrong...at least in his mind he perceived himself as wronged and a harmless apology does not show weakness while saving taxpayers $1.5 million dollars.)

I do not control what the Moderator posts. I never rewrite anything. If you and the Moderator want to delete all my posts that tilted in your favor, be my guests. Once they are written and read, I do not care if they are saved. I have no time to go backwards in life. I am always trying to move forward as life is very short before we go to Mars, Heaven or Hell whichever it may be...or simply get reincarnated into puppies and kittens. I do not know the answer to that one either and have given up trying to find out. My fate is in the hands of GOD and I hope he will do what is best for me. I trust in HIM.)

I have been trying to be neutral in discussing your case while being slightly tilted to your side since you are the underdog and I tend to support the underdogs in both sports and real life. You would do a disservice to yourself if my posts are deleted as I told your story giving you the benefit of the doubt. You have refused to tell your story diverging into this shrink wrap nonsense which may mean to others you don't have a legal case. Maybe you got the Certified Letter from the Storage Facility, signed it and ignored it. Maybe you yourself are in violation of the laws in this country if this is the case.

Maybe you did not make an attempt to contact the Storage Facility and remove part of your belongings to auction them off and pay your 1500 dollar balance due in order to salvage the remaining $1,698,500 to $1,998,500 of your remaining equipment and valuables. Why would the Storage Facility object to such a reasonable request unless it was run by the Mafia? Maybe it was a Mafia run operation....give us some facts, Mr. Huber. Maybe the NPD would have some intesest in this Storage Facility if it was Mafia owned and operated.

Since you are not speaking PLAIN ENGLISH, I am becoming suspicious.
As you know I am a Citizen Investigative Journalist for this Blog Site who seeks the truth. Be assured, if I discover you are not telling us the truth, I will side with the City of Naperville against you even though I believe they mishandled you with apparently extreme ineffiencies and incompetence.

My problem with the City of Naperville is not in its efforts to protect its rights and enforce its ordinacnes. But how they go around protecting their rights spending our hard earned tax dollars like drunken sailors. I want them to use the in-house legal staff to defend against you whether you are right or wrong. You have every right to sue under our Constitution and as a US Citizen which I assume you are.

I do not know from the limited facts I have at my disposal if you are right or wrong. You refuse to provide information and post relevant documents such as your contract with the Storage Facility. That makes me suspicious and a little leary of your "strong case."

The Napergate Man told us in his ads the truth. He backed it all up with facts and evidence. He told us he had a video early on that would show the City of Naperville attempted to frame him while running a sting operation to make sure his employees were not selling to minors. He even presented the video to the Naperville Kangaragoo Court set up for specically for him and they still lynched him. We need similar evidence from you and then you will have the support of all reasonable Napervillians who are mostly very good citizens and care about the oppressed, disenfranchised and homeless.

Therefore, I know many in City Hall are capable of committing crimes against you and others. I am here trying to help you get to the truth. You refuse to help yourself. I don't know why.

Maybe you enjoy living on Chicago Ave. It is nice out there. As you say it is very inexpensive....plus the City provided you with a porta-o-potty located in the garage at taxpayer expense without our permission.

Maybe they can build you a one room home with walls in the corner of the garage right behind you complete with a porta-o-shower. In return you can take care of the gardens and sweep the parking garage for them. A swap or trade of services just like they did in the old days before currency was invented. Then you will not be as visible and the City of Naperville can finally take the crown from Ft. Collins so we can be the best place to live in America.

Isn't this what it is all about? I don't see any "mountains." Do you, Mr. Scott M. Huber?

If someone has an opposing view or believes wrongfully or rightly in the police side over your side that does not make them the Devil in Disguise. I think this indicates you are paranoid. Let us move beyond this paranoia of yours and discuss your case. Right now and right here without any further delay. Please! Thank you!

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 25, 2009 2:47 PM
"If someone has an opposing view or believes wrongfully or rightly in the police side over your side that does not make them the Devil in Disguise."

LOL!!! Can we quote you on this in the future?

If you are getting frustrated trying to reason with Huber, welcome to our world.

How about he sets up shop one night in downtown aurora and that should take care of it.

Here's another left wing "columnist" defending Huber. Suggesting he is more sane than tax paying citizens like the Tea Bag protesters and death penalty group. He gleefully invites the ACLU into the fray.

He also takes Scott's claims at face value without considering actually getting off his liberal _ _ _ and do some fact checking.
(Ameritech confiscating his home for a 1,000 telephone bill)

So he basically empowers Master Huber (as in acts under the age of 12) to flaunt the generous and tolerant nature of the Naperville community.

So he rolls up the his hometown new paper the Naperville Sun and hits all of us in the nose.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/mego/1732872,6_4_NA25_MEGOCOLUMN_S1-090825.article


Here is his column, sorry I have to give him the pub. Please read and consider using the paper its written on under your pet parakeet.

Who does this sound Like?


International description per ICD-10

The ICD-10 lists paranoid personality disorder as F60.0 Paranoid Personality Disorder.

This personality disorder is characterized by at least 3 of the following:

(a) excessive sensitivity to setbacks and rebuffs;
(b) tendency to bear grudges persistently, i.e. refusal to forgive insults and injuries or slights;
(c) suspiciousness and a pervasive tendency to distort experience by misconstruing the neutral or friendly actions of others as hostile or contemptuous;
(d) a combative and tenacious sense of personal rights out of keeping with the actual situation;
(e) recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding sexual fidelity of spouse or sexual partner;
(f) tendency to experience excessive self-importance, manifest in a persistent self-referential attitude;
(g) preoccupation with unsubstantiated "conspiratorial" explanations of events both immediate to the patient and in the world at large.

Includes:

* expansive paranoid, fanatic, querulant and sensitive paranoid personality (disorder)

By Anonymous on August 25, 2009 4:56 PM
By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 25, 2009 2:47 PM
"If someone has an opposing view or believes wrongfully or rightly in the police side over your side that does not make them the Devil in Disguise."

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I never said anyone who opposed me is a Devil in Disguise.

I have nothing against people who oppose me and want to debate.

What I oppose is personal attacks.

As long as there are no personal attacks I have no problem with anyone.

Really, that is in plain English, what my issues were about and as far as I am concerned I am thankful to the Moderator and all the bloggers for stopping the personal attacks that I am sure we all agree were a complete waste of time.

CIJ

It appears the intent of this blog post was to get a pulse on the community's opinion on whether or not the city should evict a homeless man.

The homeless man's plight and whether or not he intends to prosecute or present his case is his business. Inserting oneself without a prior request from him for assistance is disrespectful and pompous.

I don't understand why on earth this man has been allowed to live on our sidewalk for as long as he has. The 'protest' excuse is laughable. What if everyone of us that had a beef with the city decided to take up residence on the sidewalk of downtown? Clearly this man needs professional help, and although he does not appear dangerous, he still should not be allowed to live where he does. If he was truly destitute, I might feel differently. He has repeatedly refused help. FOR 8 YEARS!! I guess if my property taxes continue to go up, at least I know I can move downtown and not be removed. It really is nuts!!

Please let me clarify a few things and then enter an opinion.

First of all, Mr. Huber believes he is acting on principle and is holding a position of recalcitrance to drive the return of personal property that he is certain was appropriated by the police department. That property is his disk collection that comprised his ability to perform his profession as a data/computer technician. At some level you must appreciate a man who wont be pushed around.

Having spoken to him at length, he has never wanted money, help finding a place to live, or anything else, " Just please go to my website." He is neither creepy or mean, nor do I believe he is a danger to anyone. He has made a sincere effort to stay on the right side of law. In the early stages of his conflict with the city, he states he was still driving, but the police seem to take an overt interest in his driving in the form of tickets. Seems plausible, since I have seen the donut patrol inserting "sticks" into motorcycle tail pipes in front of Jimmys looking for non conforming exhausts, which I found very poor form for a Naperville policeman. If you watch closely the police continually and admittedly drive around running plates, so it is not a stretch to believe Hubers version.

Bottom line, nasty, unsympathetic rhetoric directed at a homeless man is unproductive. A plan for actually helping the guy might look like this:
-Return his stuff where possible and if it was discarded, publicly apologize. It would disarm that complaint and make the city look better to me as a citizen and a voter.
-In this time of "give away the store" healthcare, get him an evaluation/physical, which he says he needs.
-Make sure he is enrolled in as many of the available programs available to someone of his status.
-Find a dentist that will help him at cost or in exchange for some incentive. We can figure out how to pay for it.

The most important thing we can do is stop walking by someone living on the ground, getting ready to survive another winter in front of us. It would be a tragedy to have someone publicly die in the cold, when some humility could have solved this in a positive way.

Now for the negative:
-Where does the city get off passing an ordinance against one person? We saw the state do it to get Drew Peterson, and guess what? Some of your civil liberties were stolen.
-For the costs allocated for designing, analyzing, approving and implementing an ordinance, this problem could likely be resolved with some good faith negotiations.

If you talk to Mr. Huber, he does have some gaps in logic, but not any more than many of our state legislators. Our job here is not pile on, but to solve this. Helping him will sort out his issues and those of city.
Fighting over this is not the right thing to do. Fixing for him is.

Klint your arguments are sound if:

We accept Huber's claims at face value, which I think are far fetched.

If we do that as a community it is an open invitation for ever homeless person from here to Santa Monica California to arrivew and take advantage of Naperville. There already is help available, why should we create special laws or treatment for him?

First of all, Scott Huber is "homeless" by choice. He CHOOSES to live on the Naperville sidewalk and not have to pay taxes. Does this mean that I can set up camp on the Fredenhagen park. I would have a public bathroom right there at my convenience,a fountain in my beautifully landscaped front yard and free water. This man mocks us all under the pretense of protesting.

The most important thing we can do is stop walking by someone living on the ground, getting ready to survive another winter in front of us

Really?
Even if they choose to do so?
Even if they insist on doing so?

Or are you suggesting that we simply avoid walking on Chicago and take some other route?

By Another Anonymous on August 25, 2009 8:44 PM

The homeless man's plight and whether or not he intends to prosecute or present his case is his business. Inserting oneself without a prior request from him for assistance is disrespectful and pompous.


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I don't think there is any offense in considering support for this striker and his cause, if one can determine he has a legitimate cause. He is actually asking for support from residents for his cause.

I think you are DISRESPECTING Mr. Huber by calling him a HOMELESS PERSON when he has indicated he is not homeless but trying to run a 24/7 protest.

In my opinion, he is runnning an around the clock protest while pausing to re-energize himself as he is a one man operation and needs a few hours of shut-eye while sitting up which is permitted by the NPD. The NPD does not allow him to lie down and rejuvenate his body properly. That is why has has big bags under his eyes. Personally, I think that is very MEAN of the NPD...a police dept. should care about the welfare of its citizens...not abuse them for simply protesting.

In many countries of the world sleep deprivation is considered a form of torture. Even the United Nations has ruled that sleep deprivation is torture. One can reasonably conclude that the NPD may possibly be torturing Mr. Scott M. Huber which may give him grounds for a major Civil Rights Violation against the City of Naperville. If he has a few "lose screws or bearings" as some have alleged it could be possibly due to the sleep deprivation instituted and forced upon him by the "finesst and best" in NPD.

We may or may not agree with Mr. Huber. But keep in mind CM Bob has stated that he does not doubt that he, Scott, believes in his cause which he is striking for.

Maybe, Mr. Huber can give us a litte more detail about how the Storage Facility screwed and robbed him so more can join his cause against INJUSTICE which is rampant in our society.

We need to find out how Chief David Dial and the NPD let him down by allegedly not performing a proper investigation of the Storage Facility in question.

And if a Storage Facility, can take 2 million dollars of equipment and valuables because you fall a few months behind on fees, maybe the laws need to be changed to give more rights to the renter. It seems like the laws may be merciless and abusive towards the customers of Storage Sheds.

Maybe the City of Naperville needs to pass ordinaces to regulate how storage facilities operate in Naperville as opposed to trying to deny a striker the RIGHT to PROTEST on a public city sidewalk where others have protested in the past and will in the future.

I agree Huber's plastic tarp looks ugly and untasteful. He blames it on the NPD for being grossly negligent in their duties since they allow drunks to throw objects and projectiles from the upper levels of the garage at his tarp. They have even looked the other way while drunks took a wiz on it from upper floors of the parking deck. I think the City of Naperville should buy him a very large, sturdy and pretty Carolina blue tent for a few hundred bucks that he could use for his protest headquarters in the same location he has chosen which is 75 E. Chicago Ave.

And, just maybe this pretty blue "mountain looking" tent, could be what we need to take over 1st Place from Ft. Collins, Co. in the race to be the "Best Place to Live in America."

Mony/CNN should have nothing but respect for a City which allows striker(s) to protest peacefully and around the clock. If they don't, I say the h@ll with them and their rating system. Mr. Huber is one of our own for over 20 years and we need to protect his right to protest at all costs.

Please don't call him homeless from this point forward if you want to be respectful. Call him the "around the clock striker" as he wishes and deserves. He fully earned that right after 8 years of protesting and striking.


My apologies to Mr. Huber as I don't know all the particulars of his case, and his writings have not spelled out exactly why he is protesting...

As I understand it the root of Mr. Huber's protest is the fact that the storage facility sold off Mr. Huber's possessions to satisfy his debt. If that is in fact the case would this then be a contract matter adjudicated in court as opposed to a criminal case handled by the local police department? If that is correct then Mr. Huber's protest is misguided. He should be in court attempting to find restitution that way. If he doesn't like the judge's verdict then he should try to find a basis to appeal.

Citizen Investigative Journalist

It is obvious you are so impartial in your assumptions. You assume there is more to story of 1-2 million dollars of "stuff" in a storage shed.

You assume the NPD and David Dial did not investigate these claims some 8-10 years ago.

You assume the NPD is guilty of torturing Mr. Huber through the use of sleep deprivation tactics.

You indict the storage industry when contracts are signed and very clear if you default on payment.

It is very clear to me and in my OPINION he has a paranoid disorder which undiagnosed may have caused his downfall to begin with. No one in there right mind lays on a street for 8 years unless there are mental health issues.

One of the symptoms is the exaggerations of actual events. Delusional (the new term for paranoid disorders)also have strong narcissistic tendencies. The daily exposure to any contact negative or positive feeds those tendencies. Everyday his need for the center of attention is stronger than is own well being of lying on the street. Typing this debate is enabling him to stay.

I know he believes he's a protester, delusional people perceive their experiences to be very real and true.

He needs help to move on. He's very smart and I am sure quite capable. He's not going to get that from reparations or having his teeth fixed or winning an imaginary protest against the enemy called Naperville.

Klint –

Although you state that “Mr. Huber believes he is acting on principle” you also admit that he has “some gaps in logic”. He has refused all attempts to provide him with help. I have no sympathy for him as another cold winter approaches because he’s homeless by choice. He could choose to get up leave—to PADS, the Y, or somewhere else.

Just because you don’t find him creepy, mean, or dangerous; that doesn’t mean he has a right to camp out on the sidewalk permanently. Unless you have proof to the contrary, I assume the police took “an overt interest in his driving” because he was overtly breaking some law(s).

The bottom line is that while you don’t think it’s “a stretch to believe Hubers version”, I think it would be an incredible stretch to believe anything that Huber says. That’s not to say he’s lying. He may very sincerely believe this story about how the government has wronged him, but that doesn’t make it true. I personally think he’s just smart and sane enough to know that if he invokes the 1st Amendment, many people (and the city) will be frightened into inaction.

I don’t see the “Huber Law” as being solely about Huber. Yes, it will affect him and he was the catalyst, but the law will be vital to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

T.B.

By Dan on August 26, 2009 2:22 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist

It is obvious you are so impartial in your assumptions. You assume there is more to story of 1-2 million dollars of "stuff" in a storage shed.

You assume the NPD and David Dial did not investigate these claims some 8-10 years ago.

You assume the NPD is guilty of torturing Mr. Huber through the use of sleep deprivation tactics.

You indict the storage industry when contracts are signed and very clear if you default on payment.

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Sorry, but it is you who is clearly wrong in your ASSUMPTIONS.

I did not make any ASSUMPTIONS. I made it clear I read Mr. Scott M. Hubers writings for 2 hours before he ordered and demanded I cease and desist due to some "shrink wrap" law I am not familiar with. Since I was warned, I am abiding by his request especially because my only intention was to try to get him to present his case with some documentation and facts in order to help him build it like the Napergate Man built his case over the years.

1. What you call ASSUMPTIONS I called ALLEGATIONS made by Mr. Huber.
That means I am stating he made a statement but do not necessarily believe it so I am asking for some proof.

2. He is stating that the Chief David Dial and the NPD did not investigate his alleged MISTREATMENT by the Storage Facility. I am asking either or both parties to step forward with the true facts. Neither has stepped forward which leads me to believe there may be equal fault on both sides.

3. I have lived in town for about 40 years and I know that what collar crime is a low priority for the NPD from my own personal experiences and those of others. I also know chasing heroin drug dealers in our subdivisions is a low priority for the NPD. Chasing DUI suspects is a high priority for the NPD and they station up to 17 officers on Chicago and Washinton late on Friday and Saturdays to hunt them down one by one. There is recognition for being the top DUI Busting City in the State of Illinois. There is no recognition for being the top Heroin Busting City. As you know, Naperville is second place in DUI busts and wants to be first place so very badly. Naperville is notorious for seeking recognition and titles. Thus they are ignoring heroin and white collar crime to focus their energy of being NO 1 in the state in DUI arrests and convictions. Was it Carol Stream that came in No 1 last year and dethroned the Almighty Napervlle. ( Chicago does not count.) Can anyone jog my memory, please?

4. I did not define sleep deprivation as torture. The European Union did followed by the United Nations. I was told by Mr. Huber that he is not allowed to lie down and sleep by the NPD. I, many years witnessed an officer ordering him in the sitting position while he was sleeping in the slouching position. I believe this was an NPD tactic to break the protest and it failed.

5.In the last year, I have not seen Mr. Huber lie down and I have not seen the NPD approach him to demand he sit up straight. For Heaven's sake let the man lie down and get some rest. He is human after all not an animal and a long term Naperville resident and citizen. Until his protest is resolved or he ends it, I think the city should provide him with a porta-o-shower next to the porta-o-pottie they already provided him. We even provide porta-o-potties to out of towners during PigFest who stampede through our town and cause a lot of destruction even though we pay the NPD 100,000 dollars to monitor and control their behaviour out of the Seca funds that were meant for cultural events and enhancement and not police OT. Go figure!

6.I did suggest many times that Mr. Huber appears to be a little paranoid. I did suggest that sleep deprivation could have contributed to his paranoia. But he was very normal when he started his protest so there is a possibility the NPD could be responsible for his paranoia as it could be a result of the sleep deprivation that they imposed on him.

In summary please reveiw the meanings of words such as "appear, seems, suspect and allege." None mean I am assuming. I am not assuming anything and demanding that Mr. Huber cooperate in my investigation. Up until this point he refuses, will not permit me to enter his site for additional information, and we are at a complete STALEMATE.

Finally, it may not be a stretch to ASSUME that Mr. Scott M. Huber enjoys this STALEMATE with the City of Naperville for reasons that are beyond my comprehension. Obviously the City does not enjoy the stalemate and is trying to pass a specific resolution dircted against him personally.

This is the trump card that Mr. Huber may have been looking for in the last 8 years to file his Civil Righs Action Lawsuit and follow in the footpaths of the Napergate Man and be the second person to bring the City of Naperville down to its knees as in his mind they brought him down to his knees.

I would not underestimate Mr. Huber even though he is a little paranoid. His paranoia may have given him his utter determination and could in the end give him his long sought VICTORY. Yes, while Naperville is seeking titles of recognition and Mr. Huber is in the way, Scott has got his eyes on the BIG CROWN.

One day we will see how this stalemate ends!

Thanks,
CIJ

CIJ,

Thanks for the careful refute of my statements. All I am stating is that you seem to take Scott's statements at face value. Yet, you seem to think Naperville is untrustworthy and seem to pine for the day Scott Huber wins some type of reparations.

Scott could always take his case through same civil remedies that are available to all.
I guarantee if he ever went to court we'd find a long medical history of Scott's diagnosed conditions in his file and the truth would be far less dramatic than Scott's recollection.

Do you find it strange, Scott has no family? No one standing up for him in the past reinforcing his alleged injustices?

I am married and have a family, if I took 8 years off to fight anything my family would be seriously harmed.

This man has had anti-social tendencies for a life time. He has nothing to hold him into the regular rules of responsibilities we have to live through.

Now in his troubled mind he seeks to hold a town hostage. Eight years to him are probably like 3 months to a healthy minded person.

He is quite clearly troubled, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Naperville. Why do you? I am curious why so many people have a chip about Naperville. I don't live there, but I sure like to visit the nice town.

ATTENTION! ATTENTION! ATTENTION! IMPORTANT MESSAGE FOLLOWS…

THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS ON: SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 - 7:00 PM BE SURE MARK YOUR CALENDAR TO ATTEND AND REGISTER AT 6:30 TO 7:00 PM IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ON THE MAIN FLOOR SO YOU CAN SPEAK AND SUPPORT MY CAUSE AND CAST YOUR VERBAL VOTE AGAINST A VERY UN-AMERICAN AND UNLAWFULLY DISCRIMINATORY ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING CRAFTED FOR ONE PERSON SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES OF THEIR DERELICTION OF POLICE SERVICE DUTY AND EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW THAT PUT ME OUT ON THE PROTEST SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

The proper agenda location for you to register is probably in the General Forum or Public Forum or the designated forum for this Ordinance issue! The City Clerk can help you locate the right agenda location! You don't have to be a resident....just a participant in Naperville activities or a concerned visitor! DON’T LET THE MINORITY WIN THIS ONE! DON'T LET ALMOST EIGHT SACRIFICIAL YEARS OF MY PROTEST BE RUBBED OUT IGNORING THE ISSUES OF PROTEST AND STRIKE!!!

PLEASE CALL AND EMAIL YOUR FRIENDS AND CALL AND EMAIL THE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, CITY MANAGER AND CHIEF DIAL AND FILL THEIR EARS! Their phone number and email information appears a few paragraphs below this notice! I have made it easy for you there!

Put pressure on them with phone calls, letters, emails and your intelligent vote between now and September 15, 2009!

Tell them you don't like the way the Criminal Justice System, the Courthouse, the Judiciary, the States Attorney, the Police et al, is / are working! Tell them Mr. Huber's experience is totally unacceptable! Tell them you want him restored as a businessman and citizen in normalcy! Tell them you want proper reparations for the wrong doing and damage they have aided and abetted as well as participated in!

Tell them that you are the majority and that you don't approve of a selfish, narrow minded, psychotic minority enacting ordinances to deny effective Protests and their sites just like Unions have! Tell them that they have to represent ALL the people. Tell them that Mr. Huber has not "gone too far" and that he is exercising only reasonable rights to get the attention of the community and its leadership to do the right thing using the right stuff! Tell them that you oppose their sneaky attempts to make ineffective Mr. Huber’s protest and rob him of a location for supporters to easily make their donations / contributions to his cause and cost effectively and durably maintain his protest until the City and opposition deal with the issues and make proper compensation! Tell them that all they are doing is robbing Mr. Huber and setting a precedent to prevent his and any others who protest in Naperville from having the leveraged presence that makes a strike / protest effective. Tell them that you don't agree with the pabulum that makes Mr. Huber's protest site out to be a permanent presence and eye sore of which such view is only aiding and abetting a narrow minded minority that only looks out for themselves and not the American Spirit in the community! Tell them the you don’t support businesses and citizenry that only seek self enrichment seeing to it that their beds are feathered fat and plump rather that seeing that each citizen and businessman has his bed feathered fair and square! Tell them that he will end the strike and the protest when they FESS UP to their responsibilities to ALL the people not just their "elite" cronies! Tell them that Mr. Huber will end his strike and protest when they "COUGH UP" with the proper remunerations that reinstall Mr. Huber's business and life style to that which are common to Naperville's standard and viable for Mr. Huber realistic expansion and success! Lay on them the way you see it!

Don't be fooled, Councilman Furstenau and the City Council are serving a narrow biased self serving presence in the community trying to prevent effective protests and viable leverage that protests and strikes exist to exact! They don't want to deal with the issues and want to make my visibility unproductive reducing me to a mere picketer at limited hours and locations they decide as opposed to what strikers and protesters have the constitutional right to decide so to be effective. They want to make my cost effective presentation costly and undermine the protest's viability putting me though additional "hoops" that are totally designed to wear me out and make my efforts unproductive and impossible so I quit and disappear!

Keep in mind that the ‘EYE SORE”, “PERMANENT PRESENCE”, “LIVING THERE” AND “HOMELESS” rhetoric are just convenient HOT BUTTON RED HERRING unsubstantiated terms thrown in TO AVOID THE REAL ISSUES OF STRIKE AND PROTEST and INFLAME THE PUBLIC AND DISTRACT THEM! THEY WANT MY SUCCESS TO FAIL SO THE PRESSURE OF THE REAL ISSUES IS AVOIDED!

NO STRIKE IS VIEWED BY THE STRUCK AS PLEASANT OR AESTHETICALLY PLEASING...THAT IS A MAIN REASON WHY THE STRIKE IS SO EFFECTIVE!!!

Scott M. Huber
Owner, CEO and President
Thank You For Letting Us Be Of Service To You!....
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5:01 PM
8-26-09

Here are the City email addresses...just copy and paste them into your email address blank!...

kriegerd@naperville.il.us, mayor@naperville.il.us, boyajianj@naperville.il.us, brodheadj@naperville.il.us, fieselerr@naperville.il.us, furstenaur@naperville.il.us, hinterlongp@naperville.il.us, smail@dr.com, kraused@naperville.il.us, millerk@naperville.il.us, wehrlig@naperville.il.us, diald@naperville.il.us

PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY IN SUPPORT OF 1ST AMMENDMENT CIVIL RIGHTS!

Scott M. Huber
5:42 PM CDT
8-26-09

I have provided strategic links for you folks to look at and read. I have provided answers for most of you through those links to my Flickr.com site and other Blogs that are also ongoing!

CIJ would be able to read from my "The Porcupine Quills" newspaper which would answer a plethora of is questions about the storage issues as well as my experiences with the State's Attorney and Judges in the Circuit and Appellate Courts. The only stipulation CIJ has to comply with is to respect my rights to privacy as I requested in my SHRINK WRAP CONTRACT. Now maybe he does not understand "SHRINK WRAP" but he does understand the word "CONTRACT" so it should not be too hard to get my drift on my PQ restricted links having some restrictions and rules for participation!

CIJ, you made your own bed when you disrespected my "Contract". It would not take much searching the web to find out what "Shrink Wrap" means and applies to.

If you will only respect my "CONTRACT" and remove the data you "UNKNOWINGLY" divulged you would show respect and I would be glad to let you engorge yourself to please the very cockles of your pulsing heart and could end your misery! Why did I put the informaiton there if it is not to be positively used to protect my interests?

The stipulation is that you use it properly in the context of the "CONTRACT" which I have posted link to.

Magee has been very technocratic about my posts so I post everything I put up here in Flickr so that if he intercepts me you have an alternative option to hear my replies and comments. Please avail yourself at Flickr. They are ADVANCE SHEETS!

Magee appears to me to be steering this forum and for more reasons than recriminations etceteras et al.. This conduct is not new in Naperville as it happens at the City Council meetings "all" the time as well as the politically manipulative courts especially in this county where convictions for criminal and civil charges are clearly unconstitutionally slanted and designed for their victories irrespective of the facts. Some churches also use similar techniques!

It is a cover up to hide what is really going on in this county that is not up to "Hoyle"!!! That is why I suffer and protest! One only has so much money and even when you have that it does not guarantee that the TRUTH will prevail! These institutions have drained me out and some in this forum make all sorts of aspersions about my sense, state of mental health and purpose WITH OUT READING THE INFORMATION I HAVE PAINSTAKINGLY PROVIDED HERE AND AT OTHER LINKS! That is what is known as opening mouth and inserting foot…if you did not happen to know that “ALL OMNISCIENT” “Karnack the Magnificents” …

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=karnack+the+magnificent&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW

with my bowing with a Doc Serverinsen addulation!

The hard truth is that with Wi-Fi erratic and unreliable and hackers present my computers don't always perform as they should and such has been the scenario the last couple of days and many suggest I am snubbing them or ignoring them or without answers. Simply put I don't have the time to answer each and every little spin commentators put on their "Ball" especially because they are very convoluted or complex.

I am giving it the “old college try “ with this one as it is and since the Wi-Fi has been more stable the last few hours. Not everyone has it as good as the majority of you and we fight "Demons" that you never even took into consideration so TAKE NOTE!

With reference to all these "Doctors of Psychiatry" out here with their “Omniscient “ contributions...let me teach you something about Paranoia, (I have covered this in other forums already and if you were doing your homework I would not have to repeat myself)! Paranoia is not intrinsically an evil!!! There is healthy paranoia and unhealthy paranoia. The healthy paranoia that is not presented in this forum and lumped in with unhealthy paranoia is the fact that, for instance, Police officers utilize what is called Healthy Paranoia because if they didn't they would be dead. I am a former security cop with and international firm. I know about Healthy Paranoia. If I had not exercised such Healthy Paranoia I could possibly have been dead including on this protest site! Selah!

So back off all these such illustrious assertions and aspersions and stick with the facts that are provided for you painstakingly to help avoid such foolish pitfalls!

CIJ you make a lot of sense and bring up a lot of good points so comply with my "SHRINK" and rewrite your comment of issue and you be rolling all over the floor writhing in laughter when you see what I have! ONLY FOR THE COMPLIANT OF COURSE! If you comply I will send you a key to a short cut to information!

What shows bad faith on your part is that you have refused to reverse yourself and remove the offending data AFTER you realized you overstepped you bounds. Good Faith would have removed it by now after the fact. Please Comply!

Something about a number of the commentators is that they swing like bipolars in their comments and it is hard to know what side they are on or if they are just out there to stir the pot.

So think on these things and "RIGHTLY DIVIDE OR INTERPRET THE TRUTH" as we are admonished in the Scriptures as such applies not only to the Scriptures but also to life's scenarios.

I am closing at this time with another admonishment from the Holy Scriptures and that is what goes around comes around worse by your own actions or decisions towards His “LITTLE ONES”! See Matthew 18:1-17!!!

Be true to the TRUTH and you should have no problem with me!

I Remain,

Scott M. Huber
8:40 PM CDT
8-26-09


By Dan on August 26, 2009 4:34 PM
CIJ,

Thanks for the careful refute of my statements.

Your welcome.


All I am stating is that you seem to take Scott's statements at face value.

I am not. I am only telling his story by repeating what he said and making that very clear with words such as ALLEGES.


Yet, you seem to think Naperville is untrustworthy and seem to pine for the day Scott Huber wins some type of reparations.

I don't think Naperville is untrustworthy. I know that it is. The lengthy 10 year Napergate Case proved beyond a reasonable doubt in many courtrooms that Naperville and its Police Dept. are untrustworthy. Last time I checked Chief David Dial was the police chief during the Napergate Trials and to this date remains the police chief.

I only want Scott Huber to win some kind of reparations if he was harmed in any way. He has not shown he has been harmed in any way up until this point. I have asked him to provide evidence and he refuses. Until he shows me the goods, I will not support him or appear to speak on his behalf before the City Council. I will not help anyone who is not willing to help himself.


Scott could always take his case through same civil remedies that are available to all.

I agree with you here especially regarding the storage facility. It appears he may but the Judges ruled against him because he feels they are establishment. He is not willing to tell us if he appealed. He may believe the Judicial System is corrupt and will not give him the proper remedies and this could be what is behind his Sidewalk Protest.



I guarantee if he ever went to court we'd find a long medical history of Scott's diagnosed conditions in his file and the truth would be far less dramatic than Scott's recollection.

Speaking of assumptions that you allege I made.... You are guaranteeing Scott has a long medical history of diagnosed conditions. You are actually libeling Scott by not only assuming but guaranteeing this is true. He could sue you if he wanted but you are lucky he has his hands full at the current time. Keep in mind it is easier for one to libel a real person like Mr. Huber than to libel each other since we are unknowns and can not possibly do damage to each other unless our identities are revealed. So please be careful and sensitive to what you say about Mr. Huber. Be certain that what you say is true before you go on a limb and GUARNTEE IT!


Do you find it strange, Scott has no family? No one standing up for him in the past reinforcing his alleged injustices?

Scott is not the only one with no family in the USA. He could be one of the 15% of Americans that are sterile and this is no fault of his own if it is genetic and incurable or if he did not have the money for invitro fertilization. There are many people standing up for Scott. He lives off of donations and contributions. When he says he is on FUMES his friends and supporters rush to help him. Never a day goes by without he not eating or having money to buy gas for his generator. He repaired some computers for a couple of sisters and they made him breakfast and gave him a comforter to keep him warm in the vicious winters. He goes to MASS often and has friends there. I suspect Scott has more true friends than most of us. Let us not make any unfounded assumptions.

I am married and have a family, if I took 8 years off to fight anything my family would be seriously harmed.

If I took 8 years off my family would have had to set up tent right next to Scott at 75 E. Chicago Ave. I am confident he would teach them how to survive until they could get on their feet without me.

This man has had anti-social tendencies for a life time. He has nothing to hold him into the regular rules of responsibilities we have to live through.

Scott is very friendly and a gentleman in scholar. He has never yelled or started up with anyone that passed by him. Those who said they were verbally assaulted by him for no reason when they passed by him were lying. I hope that was obvious and that is why I have not mentioned it so far. The truth be told, Scott never speaks to anyone unless they approach him and first start speaking to him. If he has time, he will speak to you. If he does not have time or is tired at 2am in the morning, he will ask you to visit his Web Site. He has always been very polite and friendly. Many of the pretty girls leaving the bars late at night seem to enjoy chatting with him. None find him a threat of any sort. On the contrary they find him very pleasant compared to the drunk guys in the bars who disrespected them. He is very likable. He simply has a cause he is protesting about. Totally legal and it has nothing to do with being anti-social.


Now in his troubled mind he seeks to hold a town hostage. Eight years to him are probably like 3 months to a healthy minded person.

How is poor Scott holding a town hostage? Does he have a gun to our heads? Does he have a bomb strapped to his waist? Has he ever claimed he is a suicide bomber who wants to be martyred in the downtown area of Naperville to make a point? Naperville is over 50 square miles. He occupies less than a 2 square yard area that we don't even need as the sidewalk is so wide at 75E. Chicago Ave. He even tries to provide free horticulture to the City of Naperville to keep the plants looking good and the police allegedly threatened him. This does not sound like a man holding a city hostage. It sounds like a city holding a man hostage.


He is quite clearly troubled, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Naperville. Why do you? I am curious why so many people have a chip about Naperville. I don't live there, but I sure like to visit the nice town.

Many City Officials and especially many members of the NPD have chips on their shoulders. Anyone who has dealt with the NPD and is not part of the Estbalishment will notice the chips on the shoulders of the NPD and certain City Officials. The police in Woodridge, Downers Grove, Woodridge, Lisle, Aurora, Plainfied, Bolingbrook, and Westmont do not exhibit the chip that the NPD exhibits. I don't exactly know what causes this lacker than humble behavior in Naperville.

CIJ


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Moderator Chris,

Sorry for all the bold. After I completed my post I realized I should have bolded the remarks I was responding to instead of my comments. I am still experimenting. At least I did not hit you with CAPITAL BOLDS which would have certainly destroyed your eyes. Next time, I will get it right.

CIJ


Big News here, Before you all write in Scott's Defense, more Scott's will be on the way.

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2009/08/chicago-targets-mental-health-clinics-for-cuts.html

In all seriousness, this is the challenge for anyone that is borderline, no place to house or to treat them. They are the fringe victims.

Mr. Huber,

I do not understand how camping out on a city street 24/7 for 8 years or more is somehow a first amendment civil rights issue, regardless of what you claim to be protesting now. We all have to take responsibility for ourselves, and our own decisions and actions in life. I don't believe it really matters what you think others should or shouldn't have done, or should do now. Instead, what matters is what you choose to do for yourself now. We have all had setbacks, and we've all had people in our lives who haven't lived up to our hopes and expectations, but most of us choose to dust ourselves off and move on to better things.

Many of us don't understand why you choose to live as you do when there is a world of opportunity out there. This is America. We are free to work for what we want and need in life. Unless you are mentally or physically disabled, it's hard for many of us to fathom why you choose to take handouts in a makeshift tent on public property, in the name of protest, when there are the many choices we are blessed with in this wonderful, free country of ours. I don't see why anyone would choose to be a parasite feeding on the kind nature of people rather than taking steps to care for themselves. Maybe it's just too easy here in Naperville. Considering all you have received from the kind givers on the street for 8 years, do you really think you are owed anything? Haven't you been provided for in many ways here? Don't you really feel you owe it to yourself to stop living on the street?

I find it hard to believe it's really a first amendment issue, just as I find it hard to believe you had over $1.000,000.00 or $2,000,000.00 worth of stuff in a storage facility, as CIJ stated.

I know you have been doing this for so long, so it must seem that living on the street is an easy way out, and somehow sweet revenge against others, but it's really hurting YOU. It's a bad choice for YOU. I will be supporting the city in their attempts to help you, or others in similar situations, off the public ways of Naperville.

This conduct is not new in Naperville as it happens at the City Council meetings "all" the time as well as the politically manipulative courts especially in this county where convictions for criminal and civil charges are clearly unconstitutionally slanted and designed for their victories irrespective of the facts.


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You appear not to be familiar with the Napergate Man. He was more anti-establishment then you are. He ran 44 full page Napergate ads each many times over blasting the Naperville Establishment.

He went through the same judicial system you are trying to navigate. If the system is as corrupt as you say he could have never won in Dupage, Illiois, and Federal Courts.

You can use a jury of your peers as he used if you don't trust the Judges. I assume he had his fears as you have your fears. But he went for it and beat City Hall over and over again.

You need to provide the evidence and facts and you will WIN.

It is that SIMPLE if you have THEM!!!

Once again thank for the return discussion CIJ. I am guessing that Scott is a Delusional person. I have slightly educated guess because of unfortunate family members that suffer through this. So my research and experience goes back years. In fact if truth be known they have the same appearance Scott does.

Naperville is approaching this wrong. In my laymen opinion this should be approached as a citizen that has the inability to put his own health in order. He admits it! He states in few places about his experience with doctors and how he resisted medications if you read between the lines. Psychotropic is in his statement's. The courts have challenged is capacity.

I did take the time to read his various sites, I listened to his time on the radio. To me this all evidence of his condition.


This is another quick site, you can almost use a highlighter on some of Scott's ramblings. http://www.psychnet-uk.com/clinical_psychology/criteria_personality_paranoid.htm

He also believes he knows something we all don't..another sign.

His ego shouts He's still here, He caps "I am the protester".

I really pull for Naperville to get this guy off the streets. It will be a sad day when he freezes to death, or gets hurt by a car or worse.

I've said enough, I will email the Naperville board on Scott's invitation. I will be on his side, but not the way he want me to be.
Thank you Mr. Magee for the lengthy space and CIJ good debate my friend.

I believe Dan hit the nail on the head with his perception of both Mr. Huber and CIJ. Very observant.

And Mr. Huber, if you honestly want people to take the time to email on your behalf or to show up at a City Council meeting then you should take the time to tell your story so they have the facts rather than expect folks to go and blindly advocate on your behalf just because you instruct them to do so.

Also, Mr. Huber, I think the term you mean to use is 'click wrap contracting' rather than shrink wrap contracting which refers to a packaged software product. The full explanation is as follows; http://www.lawyerintl.com/law-articles/1673-How%20click-wrap%20contracts%20benefit%20over%20shrink-wrap%20contracts

Mr. Scott M. Huber,

The definition of shrink wrap is very unclear based on the link provided by Anonymous. It seems it applies more to software and duplicating software than what you are writing.

I think what you are stating is that I am permitted to go and read about your problem with the storage company but not permitted to summarize what I read on your Web Site. So why go if that is the case?

I have no interest in reading if I do not have the power to use what I read to help you promote your cause and case against City Hall assuming it has merit. You are the underdog and I am interested in helping you if you show me the merits of your case. But I am not going to support your blindly and possibly make a fool of myself in the process. I like to retain my credibility and reputation even though I may be anonymous with abilities to reincarnate myself under a new handle or moniker....albeit not as successfully as in the past.

I had difficulty reading the 2 hours I read as much of it was of a personal nature and did not concern me. I chose not to publicize your many trips to MASS or your personal feelings towards the 2 nice sisters.

What I am interested in is your contract with the Storage Facility and how and if the Judicial System screwed you. Why did you not appeal to the Supreme Court and only the Illinios Appellate Court? I recall in the 1985 Original or First Napergate Case the Napergate Man had to appeal all the way up to the Illiniois Supreme Court which finally reversed his revocation of his Bailey Rd. liquor license. The system becomes less biased as you go higher and higher up the ladder. You always need to take the final step. Did you not take the final step?

The Nicarico wrongfully charged Hispanc victims also were persistent with the "corrupt" legal system until they finally held the culprit prosecutors accountable and made them pay BIG TIME....at least financially if not criminally. So you can at least make the prosecutors pay up even though the Judges have ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY. I am sure you know that. So take advantage as the Napergate Man always did. Former City Prosecutor Francis Cuneo was left with no credibility and little reputation after the Napergate Man was done fighting him for 10 years in the various court systems. Even all the outside laws firm the city hired could not restore his credibility or reputation to where it once was. It just got worse and worse and more costly with each additional legal battle for Cuneo and Co.

Just to put this behind us, Moderator Chris has my permission to delete any post of mine that you deem violated the "shrimp wrap contract." You must know that I can not delete anything I post unless Chris allows it. So you and him can work it out with my prior permission granted in advance.

But please don't bring this issue up again. It does sound like a broken record to me and it is honestly a big waste of time and energy for all concerned including yourself who should be promoting HIS cause as opposed to SHRINK WRAP LAWS that apply to Microsoft and Adobe Software.

What I want to know is how exactly the Storage Facility screwed you out of 1.7 -2 million dollars as you allege? How could you not get your friends or pawn shops to come up with 1500 dollars to save nearly 2 million dollars? It almost sounds unimaginable as you seem to be an obviously brilliant man.

You know the answers. So in good spirits, since you are an excellent writer, please give us the facts in some kind of numerical and logical form so we can understand what this Storage Facility did to you. Try not talking in circles and talk as straight as the path of an arrow in plain English.

Also, why don't you name the Storage Facility since I am not able to due to shrink wrap laws you have enveloped me in. This blog site has a decent amount of readership and you may get us all to boycott this SF.

Let us know exactly how the NPD let you down when you reported the SF problem to them. You would not be the first in town they have let down and maybe it is time we all jointly held them accountable for simple and/or gross negligence when they do not protect us from fraudulent and scheming businesses in town. Where was the NPD when the piano outfit on Ogden ripped 100 Naperville Residents for about 5000 dollars each? Why were they not required to be licensed by the City with a background check like liquor licencees before they were allowed to open a retail operation of this nature? Before you know it we will have a Persian Carpet store ripping off residents under the pretext of GOING OUT OF BUSINESS one week after they had their GRAND OPENING. This is NPD territory and they can not be asleep behind their wheels on the corner of Chicago and Washington Streets or checking out the pretty gals coming out of the bars at taxapyer expense literally a half a block away from Scott's Strike Zone. We the taxpayers deserve better service from our police dept.

If they had been required to be licensed, the City could have exposed that they had been involved with similar schemes in a prior businesses of the same nature in different towns.. So yes the NPD and City can do much more than trying to win DUI titles and "Best Place to Live Titles" that do not really provide any security to the residents who are paying handsomely and deserve better protection from Naperville Police Dept and City Hall.

By Dan on August 26, 2009 10:05 PM
Once again thank for the return discussion CIJ. I am guessing that Scott is a Delusional person. I have slightly educated guess because of unfortunate family members that suffer through this. So my research and experience goes back years. In fact if truth be known they have the same appearance Scott does.

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And many thanks to you also for a nice, polite, civil, informative and educational discussion.

I think you were very wise in changing your terminology from guaranteeing to guessing. No need to libel him with such a strong, possibly true but definetly unfounded statement. I also suspect he has a form of paranoia that exceeds what he describes a police officer has to have to stay alive.

I am very disappointed in him that he will not let me continue to read his writings and post a summary for the bloggers. I had done this summary successfully with the Napergate Man and could do it successfully with Mr. Huber if he allows me and cooperates by answering my DIRECT QUESTIONS to him which he conveniently, systematically and deliberately ignores. He needs to focus on this blog site as his case is hot, right here, right now, and not on the Daily Herald or Topix. Moderator Chris has treated him very fairly and yet he is paranoid the Moderator will cut the umbilical cord that is connecting him to this site. If Chris, did not cut my umbilical cord, he is not cutting anyone elses unless they libel or use foul language in an unimaginable way. Even then, he will only cut posts and not the person or moniker based on what we have seen so far based on past history.

If Mr. Huber expects to win his case in a court of law, he needs to know his case like the back of his hand. I suspect after 8-10 years he had forgotten the intimate details of his case and thus keeping tight lips. It is true that loose lips sink ships so I will give him some credit. He may be smarter and wiser than we think or can even imagine. This may be like the Mid East Crisis....no End Ever in Sight!

Just like the Israelis do not want to settle with the Palestinians so they can continue to occupy their lands unjustifiably, it could be Mr. Huber does not want to settle with the City of Naperville so he can continue occupying Naperville lands and territories unjustifialbly under the guise of a protest. This last paragraph is simply humor and sarcasm so please don't let it go over your head, Mr. Huber. Just kidding around this one time...lol... But you are occupying 2 square yards of Naperville. Some people think you are holding the town hostage. I think you have us under MILITARY OCCUPATION. Just kidding again with you my friend. Lighten up and let us help you resolve your issues with the City of Naperville and its residents. Seriously!

Conscientious Observer on August 26, 2009 10:05 PM & CIJ ...

Are you folk and others blind? I have posted links for you to read further. I simply don't have the time to repeat my comments at each forum or whatever especially with slow and intermittent networks to work through! I have provided much at Flickr and "The Porcupine Quills" but at PQ you have to comply with the Contract! Nonetheless the Flickr links give you a plethora of avenues to my "story". Please avail yourselves of them. I know many of you have not availed yourselves of my information because of what you say and questions you ask. Look this forum over carefully and note the number of times I have provided links to sites that I think would give you a handle on my predicament! Check them out and again then go to

http://www.chicagotribune.com/huber or http://www.flickr.com and search for "scott m huber" in quotes within the search box. In both cases click on my portrait that should be at the top or top left corner and then read the commentary. Also click on the other pictures in the gallery put there by the paparazzi and note the comments with those pictures as well!

Believe it or not I have more things to do than answer blogs on these forums. You have to be patient as I answer when the Wi-Fi and time permits me.

Now kindly do your homework before you allege I don't provide you with information to give you background!

Scott M. Huber
7:38 AM CDT
8-27-09

I see that the city is considering placing a camera at 75 E. Chicago. That should make the already delusional Mr. Huber really go crazy.

If one checks the public court records, it appears that Mr. Huber is one of those people who hit a stroke of bad luck in the late 1990's and is unwilling to take responsibility for his own failures. After he was evicted from his dwelling on North Ave. for failure to pay about $1,500 in back rent, he has had been living on the street, blaming everyone else for his failures. The court was wrong for allowing him to be evicted. The police are wrong for failing to intercede on his behalf in his civil litigation as is the state's attorney, etc. He needs to take responsibilty for himself and attempt to move back into society. He doesn't need enablers.

Boy if this ordinance doesn't pertain to Scott Huber!! Then what does! What are we missing here or what is being misinterpreted!


10-2-1-2: LOITERING:

1.Definitions: Definitions under this section shall be as follows:

LOITERING: Remaining idle in essentially one location and includes the concept of spending time idly; to be dilatory; to linger; to sleep in a public place; to stand around and shall also include the colloquial expression "hanging around".

PUBLIC PLACE: Any place to which the general public has access and a right to resort for business, entertainment, or other lawful purpose, but does not necessarily mean a place devoted solely to the uses of the public. It shall also include the front or immediate area of any store, shop, restaurant, tavern or other place of business and also public grounds, areas, parks or schools. (Ord. 73-93, 11-26-73; amd. 1984 Code)

2.Prohibited Acts: It shall be unlawful for any person to loiter, loaf, wander, stand or remain idle either alone and/or in consort with others in a public place in such manner so as to:

2.1. Obstruct any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building by hindering or impeding or tending to hinder or impede the free and uninterrupted passage of vehicles, traffic or pedestrians.

2.2. Commit in or upon any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building any act or thing which is an obstruction or interference to the free and uninterrupted use of property or with any business lawfully conducted by anyone in or upon or facing or fronting on any public street, public highway, public sidewalk or any other public place or building, all of which prevents the free and uninterrupted ingress, egress and regress, therein, thereon and thereto.

3.Violations: When any person causes or commits any of the conditions or acts enumerated in subsection 10-2-1-2.2 of this section, a police officer or any law enforcement officer shall order that person to stop causing or committing such conditions or acts and to move on or disperse. Any person who fails or refuses to obey such orders shall be guilty of a violation of this section. (Ord. 73-93, 11-26-1973)

Mr. Scott M Huber,

From what I can gather is you did attempt to go to Dupage County Court and the judicial system mistreated you.

This could easily happen.

Cruz and Hemandez, the Hispanics that were wrongfully convicted over and over again were also railroaded by Dupage County which can be corrupt and influenced by wealthy establishment types.

You must not give up, Mr. Huber. Hermandez and Cruz were each put on death row twice even though they were clearly innocent and appealed to the Supreme Court each time to no avail. They were put on death row twice even though the real murderer Brain Dugan almost used a bullhorn to announce he murdered 11 year old Jenine Nicarico in cold blood. Sadly, her parents made the situation much worse by backing the corrupt prosecutors who were railroading the innocents instead of the culprits. I believe her parents finally left town after so much humiliation caused by the prosecutors.( This is part of the history of Naperville when you were a 3 year toddler possibly still in diapers, Moderator Chris, so I hope you don't mind the fact that I bring it up. Since you are a history major, I suspect you may be interested in historical events that took place in Naperville.)

Many good people like former Chief of Naperville Police Jim Teal, the Napergate Man, Tribune Columist Eric Zorn, a Detective named Sam from Dupage Country and even a prosecutor tried to help the Nicarico 3 but no was listening....their pleas at the time fell on deaf ears. So I understand your pain.

But these individuals understood the N Case and made a LOT of NOISE until finally the Northwestern Law Students and Professors exposed Dupage County as being a corrupt and incompetent county especially as pertaining to their

Maybe if you can tell us your story in English, we can try to endorse the Northwestern Group to help you. But you need to provide answers to questions bloggers and I are asking so we can pass the information on to them. They are known to help the underdog who has a LEGITIMATE CASE.

Many of your links are obsolete and do not provide the pages needed. I understand you are having trouble with Wi-Fi.
But next time while writing a post to be published here use your precious little time and connection availability to tell us the Storage Facility Story. I am sure you can summarize it in a few paragraphs. ( If anyone else has some detail on this Storage Facility please provide it or a link to it...thank you.)

Rather than tell us about the shrink wrap contract for the umpteenth time, tell us about your Storage Contract. Unless, we know the facts no one is jumping to support you and end up with egg on his or her face.

If we find after telling your story you have been screwed royally by Dupage County, which would not surprize me, I am sure you, some blogger or I can contact this Northwestern Group who knows how to deal with corruption in our County Judicial System.

Your case is very unique. Your 8 year ongoing heroic protest is one of a kind in the history of mankind. It should be in the Guiness Book of World Records. If you have any kind of case, the Northwestern Group will take it. They like the limelight as you like the limelight. Who would not want to help a penniless striker who has been promoting his case on a City Sidewalk for almost a decade? Your case has the potential for a lot of publicity and many people like to help in public and highly visible cases. You are smart to have remained VERY VISIBLE against Naperville's wishes. But it will all be for nought if you don't make your statement now when the spot light is on you. It is time to act now or let your cause die FOREVERMORE. This is not a game we are playing. You are striking and your strike must be dealt with. But you are half of the negotiating parities so we need you involved to negotiate a settlement with City Hall and Dupage County.

Try e-mailing Eric Zorn of the Tribune about your case. I know he tried to help both the Napergate Man and the Nicarico Three. He loves exposing corruption in government. He is not afraid. You can trust him.

As I said I am willing to help you but only if you are willing to help yourself. You need to give us the facts and evidence right here and not make us search for them using links that lead to nowhere. It is your case...not ours. You stand to gain....not us.

And as long as you have time to discuss shrimp wrap law at least 10 times on this blog site alone with you less than desirable Wi-Fi connections, you can make time to discuss your Storage Contract at least once.

What did it say? Why did they not let you enter the facility and pawn 1500 dollars of your 2 million in valuables so you could pay the bill? This seems unreasonbale behavior by a legitimate business to not give someone between a rock and a hard place some reasonable courtesy.

What did the NPD say to you when you called them about the 2 million dollar "theft" at the storage facility? What about the media? They usually send reporters to cover a 2 million dollar heist which is highly unusual.

I hope we can discuss your case. I apologized for breaking your rules unintentionally. I asked Moderator Chris to remove all my posts that violated your shrink contract laws. I do not have access to the controls of this blog site to delete them myself.

So the ball is in your park. I did my duties and made good. Now it is time for you to perform and stop making excuses so we can see if we can help you.

If you continue to ask for apologies or not accepting my apology, one of the definitions of paranoia is one who refuses to accept a genuine apology. All you would do is feed into the attacks you are getting from almost all bloggers except myself.

Unlike others, I have studied the history of Naperville and Dupage County and know they both are capable of wrong doing and corruption. How many times do I have to tell you I was around when Naperville City Officials set us a Kangaroo Court and lynched the Napergate Man? How many times do I have to tell you Dupage County Judges, prosecutors and many of its dumber than dumb residents who served on so many juries convicted the Nicarico 3 wrongfully over and over again.

So you are talking to a person who understands corruption exists. If you want me to help you bring Dupage County down, you need to provide me with documents, evidence and facts....no heresay and no shrink wrap talk. It is that simple.

By bfife on August 27, 2009 1:59 PM
Boy if this ordinance doesn't pertain to Scott Huber!! Then what does! What are we missing here or what is being misinterpreted!


10-2-1-2: LOITERING:

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Mr. Scott M. Huber is not LOITERING. He is conducting a strike and cleverly executing a protest that is driving residents insane. He is obviously succeeding and the City of Naperville wants to settle with him to get him off the sidewalk.

The City of Naperville has no legal grounds to remove him. While I know our legal dept. is borderline incompetent, our legal dept. consults with outside legal firms almost on every matter.

They can not all be stupid. Mr. Huber did not break any laws.

That is why are they trying to pass a new ordinance directed towards him that they are hoping he will break.

In my opinion he is not going to break the law but break the back of the City of Naperville in a Civil Rights Action Lawsuit against this discriminatory ordinance that is specifically directed towards him and his right to protest 24/7 based on the US Constitution, which Naperville does not have a right to supercede.

Scott is got a bear trap laid out for the NPD and City and they are about to be trapped. They do not unfortunately understand Civil Rights.

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 27, 2009 7:08 PM
"In my opinion he is not going to break the law but break the back of the City of Naperville in a Civil Rights Action Lawsuit against this discriminatory ordinance that is specifically directed towards him and his right to protest 24/7 based on the US Constitution, which Naperville does not have a right to supercede."

CIJ,
Where does the constitution specifically say that he has a right to protest 24/7 by loitering on, and obstructing a public sidewalk for years and years?

He cites the First Amendment, as follows:

"Amendment I
Freedoms, Petitions, Assembly

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The 1st Amendement restricts "Congress" from enacting such laws.

I find it ironic that "the protester" thinks his camp out is protected by the firt amendment, yet he tells the press (The Sun) they must censor posts on thiir blog due to some "shrink wrap" policy of his. I guess he thinks it's OK for him to pressure the press to abridge the freedom of the press, but he can break a loitering law on the pretense of his first amendment constitutional rights.

Is there a constitutional lawyer in the house?


CIJ,

"While I know our legal dept. is borderline incompetent, ..."

Borderline? Please, you give the City of Naperville legal department WAY too much credit.

By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:29 PM


I find it ironic that "the protester" thinks his camp out is protected by the firt amendment, yet he tells the press (The Sun) they must censor posts on thiir blog due to some "shrink wrap" policy of his. I guess he thinks it's OK for him to pressure the press to abridge the freedom of the press, but he can break a loitering law on the pretense of his first amendment constitutional rights.

Is there a constitutional lawyer in the house?

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I am not a constitutional lawyer but I tend to agree with you. He wants it both ways.

I noticed he lost support on this blog site with his antics and tactics. Bloggers seem to have lost interest which is due to his actions and inactions.

I guess you can not help someone who does not want to help himself. You can not help someone who does not want to tell his story. The Napergate Man laid out his story eloquently in ad after ad so people can comprehend and try to absorb. It was a difficult battle for him even though he was credible to obtain mass support until the courts ruled in his favor. I wonder how someone who refuses to communicate is going to rally any support with out any court rulings to favor him.

Scott is in a very tough situation because he attempts to turn people off instead of turning them on and getting them interested in his case. His shrimp wrap arguments border on insanity. While I understand his paranoia resulting from living in the elements literally unprotected from projectiles thrown of the roof of the garage, I do not understand his paranoia of someone trying to tell his story in a "biased' way that benefits him.

I really don't understand his situation. But there is a possibility he is happy at 75 E. Chicago Ave and enjoys his iconic status as a striker of massive endurance. Maybe he is going for the Guiness Book of World Records, assuming he does not already have it.

He personally does not bother me. I like his pretty new blue umbrella that I noticed driving by him the other day. I did feel bad for him during the massive downpour the last few days. But he is a survivor who learned how to survive. Maybe the rain is music to his ears as the I-Pods are music to the ears of our children.

We should let him stay and break the Guiness Book of World Records for the longest strike in world history. Does anyone doubt he can do it? I don't!

One day he may actually be a reason why tourists come to see Naperville. Who does not want to see the IRON MAN of all strikes and protests? Let us hope he ignites the tourist industry in Naperville one day and brings us out of all thes double digit negative operating budgets.

Personally, I am a lot more bothered that Assistant City Manager Robert Marshall is gainfully employed by the city which gives him an 85k pension while allowing him to build a second pension. He is hurting the taxpayers and city budget immensely with his establishment legalized DOUBLE DIPPING. He is costing us taxpayers over 250k per year and I am not sure we are getting our money's worth out of him. And while we give him this $85k, our pension liability deficit stands at $61.4 million with the new number scheduled to come out in Sept. Let us hope CM Bob or the Naperville Sun releases it to the public. I will go on record and state I expect it to be worse than last year despite direct orders from the State of Illinios to the City of Naperville that they must reduce it each year and have it eliminated by the year 2033.

Scott Huber is costing us nothing. He is occupying 2 square yards on a very wide sidewalk and is obstructing nothing. He is not bothering anyone. He uses his own money to generate his own electricity. He survives with donations as opposed to taxpayer money. He is not stealing or pilfering Seca Tax Funds like so many other individuals and organizations in Naperville.

I say leave him alone and let him live as he is letting us live. To each his own.

My best wishes to Mr. Huber. I wish him nothing but the best of health. Maybe, I will take him a comforter this winter since the one the sisters gave him must be worn out by now being out in the elements. But it will not be delivered by me personally as I wish to remain anonymous. We never really use them since our heat works just fine.

Hang tough this winter, Mr. Huber, and good luck to you from the bottom of my heart. I don't understand you but I do respect you.

From a woman's veiw, I know most of us hate parking in dark parking garages. I don't want any man whether it be a business man, college student or a homeless man/protestor hanging around a parking garage. The only man I want hanging around is security!! Google the Stamford, CT Marriott parking garage rape case if you want an eye opener.

CIJ I think you are now using Mr.Huber as a wedge or puppet for your animosity towards the Du Page and Naperville Government. You correctly pointed out Scott's living conditions over the last three days in rain soaked, cool, dank environment. You spin it as go Scott and what hero, in the end he is suiting your purpose. You even understand Scott can't seem to give a coherent answer on his past troubles, again speculating there is an information back for his eventual suit.

It's clear to me you would have a mentally ill person on the street freezing to death so it can give you a rallying cry.

The Napergate thing happened years ago. Like any form of Government, mistakes were made. For every bad decision Naperville made a high degree of sound decisions were executed. This is evident in community, commerce, and good citizens that have been created by a great school system.

Scott and you CIJ have shown very selfish tendencies. It's all about you.

Keep it up, empower Scott and his delusions. I wish some of those cold raindrops were landing on your head instead of Scott's

Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM

You "Sir" are another good example of bigotry that refuses to look at the facts any other way than what puts money in YOUR pocket and saves YOUR tax dollars at the expense of talented and accomplished "new comers" that look at things more honorable and well founded than you!

The court system et al. is not a stroke of bad luck but rather an example of government backed by selfish people that don't truly believe in the True American Way and don't FOLLOW THE RULES, THE LAWS, THE CONSTITUTION they say they follow and have sworn to uphold for EVERYONE!

It is a stroke of criminal interference from within Government, political special interests including within the Church as well as in the crime organization and just selfish private ego dominance that want to impose their will and value systems on a Free People!

St Paul said that if you are a slave serve your master as you would Christ but if you are not a slave don't seek to become one! Serving your master as Christ means doing for your master what Christ would have you to do not what your master would have you to do wherein it is in opposition to Christ!

It has become very evident to me that Dupe Age County is one of the richest if not the richest counties in this Nation not because it is a true example of free enterprise but because it CHEATS and revels in that accomplishment of CHEATING.

Granted, that does not include all Dupage County residents who are rightly motivated and honorable but it does take into consideration the control group that puts promising Christian Businessmen like me in the basement of life manipulating non-"Club" members to look like something they are not!

"Club" Christians, AKA Social Gospel Christians, (like certain controlling management at the YMCA especially here in Naperville), and others clearly "Hurt HIS little ones" and blaspheme the very Holy Spirit which has motivated world wide outreach in this county even through small businessmen for so many many years!

I fear that these outreaches are becoming more and more perfunctory and a facade to the mentality that says it is alright to steal for the Church so to build that institution! Evidence of this is brought into the "limelight when, (I believe it was),the Arizona Senator Deconsini, for example, asked regarding the Roman Catholic denomination,(possibly paraphrased),"where would the Church be if it were not for the Mob?"

They really need to take into consideration Matthew 18:1-17 as it is not there for decoration...it is a curse you put on yourself by your own doing...I suggest you read it and then read my experiential comments on it in my site at http://www.flickr.com search "Scott M Huber" in quotes or http://www.chicagotribune.com/huber and click on my picture in the upper left corner and or go to my Newspaper "The Porcupine Quills" of which I have a link to within. The main page of PQ is accessible to all however, the restricted links therein are not!

Why do you think the City of Naperville is over 11 million in the hole now? It all fits together if you want to really look at the truth worldwide.

In the future I will be doing an expose on the bad spirit in the City as observed from my protest site.

I suggest you think on these things very carefully before you make your assuming, presumptuous aspersions that clearly are not based on contextual fact!

Scott M. Huber
9:21 AM CDT
8-28-09

MBH wrote:

He is costing us taxpayers over 250k per year and I am not sure we are getting our money's worth out of him.

And yet he's not costing us one penny more than if he were to quit today and someone else were hired to do his job.

..."Scott Should Go on August 27, 2009 9:48 AM
I see that the city is considering placing a camera at 75 E. Chicago. That should make the already delusional Mr. Huber really go crazy."

The Police have had a camera at Washington and Chicago Avenue for a t least couple of years already as I have it. If you don't believe me look up at the light post on the Jimmy's Grill corner (Northwest corner)!

Factually, it makes me feel much safer!

The cops already know who stole my umbrella a month or so ago…who tore up my tarp and tried to pull my tote out onto the sidewalk and rummaged through my personal belongings there one night in the last month or so and who put lit cigarettes on my gas tank of my generator and on my tarps trying to ignite them while I was inside!…and who walks by my protest site and harasses me! They know they know they know! Trust me and more so God!

Open your eyes public who are looking at me just like this character!

Scott M. Huber
10:43 AM CDT
8-28-09


Please lets stop with all the rhetoric and other ramblings that have nothing to do with this issue! Let's leave the Napergate and Furstenau cases out of this discussion which is only about evicting Scott Huber! I don't care what his sympathizers say,he's still loitering and violating a tent ordinance! Look them up!!!

Opps, typing fast while I am drinking my coffee! View-I before E except after C! Woman's view!

This is a State nuisance law! I believe this section out of the entire code applies to Scott Huber!

CRIMINAL OFFENSES


(720 ILCS 5/) Criminal Code of 1961.


(720 ILCS 5/Art. 47 heading)
ARTICLE 47. NUISANCE

(720 ILCS 5/47‑5)
Sec. 47‑5. Public nuisance. It is a public nuisance:



(5) To obstruct or encroach upon public highways, private ways, streets, alleys, commons, landing places, and ways to burying places.
Nothing in this Section shall be construed to prevent the corporate authorities of a city, village, or incorporated town, or the county board of a county, from declaring what are nuisances and abating them within their limits. Counties have that authority only outside the corporate limits of a city, village, or incorporated town.
(Source: P.A. 89‑234, eff. 1‑1‑96.)

Mr. Huber at August 28, 2009 9:26 AM

"The court system et al. is not a stroke of bad luck but rather an example of government backed by selfish people that don't truly believe in the True American Way and don't FOLLOW THE RULES, THE LAWS, THE CONSTITUTION they say they follow and have sworn to uphold for EVERYONE!"

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Ok, Mr. Huber, explain to us all why your landlord had to take you to court in 1999 because you were about $1500 behind in your rent. Did you expect your landlord to provide you with shelter for free? Did you expect the courts to make your landlord provide you with shelter for free? Did you show up in court to defend the action? What was your defense other than you had a stroke of bad luck and couldn't pay your rent? Did you expect the police to intercede on your behalf with the landlord? If you don't pay your rent, how does your landlord pay for the cost of operating the rental unit?

Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM

You "Sir" are another good example of bigotry that refuses to look at the facts any other way than what puts money in YOUR pocket and saves YOUR tax dollars at the expense of talented and accomplished "new comers" that look at things more honorable and well founded than you!

Scott I would gladly compare my entire body of Christian ways to yours. You are only a servant on to yourself. You care for no one, you give to no one. You take, take and take again. So please do not hide behind a few bible verses.

Your only saving grace is that you cannot help the way you act daily basis.

Fortunately the Christian faith you tout has given me the compassion to understand what conditions place you in the street in harms way of tormentors, and the elements.

If you were honestly protesting a just cause instead of the the narcissist SCOTT HUBER cause I might be persuaded to think otherwise. Every dollar that is handed to you could be given to so many causes much further up the list than yours. If you had the ability to understand this you would be overwhelmed with guilt. But, alas you don't have the capability.

It's funny how you rail against the forces of society and law accept when it serve your needs.

Finally you end many of your salient statements with Selah! I find it ironic the meaning of that word is the one thing you are incapable of ever doing. You don't ever listen because you only hear the voice in your head. You don't trust any others do you?

CIJ...

You have an advantage over me. You obviously have more time to focus on this issue singularly and have pumped out intense amounts of commentary. You clearly have much better and reliable computer equipment, circumstances and connectivity than I!

I have to wrestle with the "demons" that you don't so you really have to take into consideration the very difficult circumstances I work under on this protest site in the weather and distractions of visitors and harassment that I have to put up with.

You expect instantaneous response and, (to put it in the vernacular),"it ain't going to happen"!

No one is refusing your questions that you pump out along with issues that need and take time to follow up on. You for a great deal of time have refused to comply with my web site terms of use and yet you comply here immediately with the Sun‘s. Is that disrespectful and presuming when I can't enforce my terms and they can?

This is the problem I run up against as a small businessman. People are not complying with the law out of honor and good ethics and the "right stuff" but rather with what they think and I emphasize THINK they can get away with! Matthew 18: 1-17 "ain't" there for decoration. What goes around comes around worse guaranteed!

The world economy looks at the economic decline primarily in terms of failures that need to be fixed. They fail to give the proper import to a simple admonition from Christ in Matthew 18:1-17.

I prophesied almost ten years ago that this was going to happen. Osama bin Laden
put some "English" on it with 9-11 and it has been for the most part down hill economically ever since. People, including in Christian Social Gospel circles think Matthew 18:1-17 is there for decoration! The world systems including Naperville and Dupe Age County have to get their acts together or pay the price! Selah!

It is here that Caesar is not rendering unto God what is God's but is quick to say render unto Caesar what is Caesar's! We faith Christians are also Caesar in the "We the People" context and a schizophrenic psychotic Caesar is not rendering unto we Christian Caesars what is Christian Caesar's and they are paying for it! You can rationalize it away but this is what it truly boils down to.

Now be careful before you jump to conclusions about what I am doing and not doing and what I am willing to do and not willing to do and realize things take time and time to assimilate and respond. Not all of us can afford brain cell nutrients like you apparently use and thus may take longer to get in the swing of things!

This anomaly is part of which I protest...the playing board is not even in Naperville, County, in the States Attorney's office, the Police department, the Fursenau City Council, the Judiciary etc. It is ruled by those who have the most toys not those who truly stand for Truth, Righteousness and the American Way!

Those of us who do stand up and fight have to watch our assets very carefully because these sharks know how to bend the law to cause us to lose them and make us "homeless" so that we become or look like the lightning rod of social ills of which they truly don't want to deal!

They know that they are wrong but they use the law to suppress the law in our favor and the forum becomes a contest of endurance not one of the law, truth and righteousness. It becomes a contest of who's money stretches the farthest and the longest and if that is not serving Evil I don't know what is!

I won't be able to answer each issue timely or personally because circumstances are beyond my control so you and the public have to be sensitive and understand. To jump to conclusions, presumptions, assumptions and assertions is just not dealing with reality or fair!

Take advantage of what I have given you via links and documentation already provided because it is impossible to cover all the bases when you want it! Much of what you ask for is already out there for your perusal but you have to use the tools that I have provided and you will have to do your homework and not invalidly conclude as you and others have already done...it is not truthful or honorable!

For instance, I have not seen one comment thus far that mentions the context I have given about strikes and protest rights on the picket line as demonstrated by the Boeing strike in Washington state on a public way with their accoutrements, 24/7 and choice of location!

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

I reassert that issue as justification for over ruling Dick Furstenau's interpretation that I have gone too far with my temporary protest site that he has interpreted as permanent and too "CUSHY"...basic amenities that make my protest efficient and durable like the Boeing Strikers until they come to terms with the real issues of police failure to address criminal conduct and police thefts of yours truly's earthly possessions!

You know as I the intent is to wipe me out so I can't receive donations or make to them less so to undermine my financial stability to strike and protest and so to wear me out and make survival circumstances impossible! I don't have shag rugs and swimming pools or intent to have them as Dave Sinker from Comedy Shrine suggests!

So much for now!

Scott M. Huber
1:39 PM CDT
8-28-09

“By Anonymous on August 28, 2009 8:38 AM
From a woman's view, I know most of us hate parking in dark parking garages. I don't want any man whether it be a business man, college student or a homeless man/protestor hanging around a parking garage. The only man I want hanging around is security!! Google the Stamford, CT Marriott parking garage rape case if you want an eye opener.”


You can relax as I am a former Captain with an international security company and pull a little security while I am here. I have specialties in plant security and escorting vulnerable people out of plants to their cars during late hours.

Here I have aided people who's cars have been damaged in the garage with information that put the responsibility on the proper person. I have prevented and caught partiers stealing merchant's display signs on the sidewalks saving them big bucks, I have helped quell disturbances as well as serve as protective watch for people alone in the vicinity and have 911 capabilities if necessary!

Keep in mind I am a striker not a homeless person and that was underscored by Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the city council 8-18-09. Check out the video...

The VIDEO of the Tuesday 8-18-09 meeting with me addressing the Naperville City Council is here...Make sure to move the video button to approximately the last three quarters inch of the slide at approximately 3.50 in your Windows Media Player when it pops up and watch the N1 issues!...

naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=72&...

So feel secure with these facts!

Think of it folks...free experienced quality security for the last almost 8 years!…and you WILL NOT HAVE THAT ANYMORE IF YOU LET THE CITY COUNCIL ABOLISH MY PRESENCE!

Scott M. Huber
2:17 PM CDT
8-28-09

Dan and Bfife,

I don't think we can leave the overall situation out of the context of Mr. Huber. Mr. Huber has been calling Dupage County Corrupt. Dupage County is not only corrupt simply in the pastence. It is corrupt in the presentence also.

According to an article in the Naperville Sun

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http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1734696,Liquor-store-robbery-sentence_na082509.article

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Dupage Prosecutors and Judges sentenced the first of the thugs who robbed Extra Value Liquors at loaded gunpoint to 180 days in jail meaning he walks in 90 days and is in fact already walking. Which business will he robbed next in Naperville? Which employee or owner will have a gun to his head next? Could it be you or one of your relatives or friends who work in retail?

These thugs endangered the lives of brave NPD officers who pursued them at speeds exceeding 110 miles an hour before they were asked to cease and desist their chase by State Police for fear of losing control and running over children playing on sidewalks...your precious children and my precious children.

Why is the City Council meeting to discuss Mr. Huber? Why don't they meet and draw a CONDEMNATION of Dupage County for allowing a dangerous man back on the streets after only 90 days to rob and possibly kill again. Why is the community not outraged at Dupage County for such incompetence and endangering our lives and those of our children?

Mr. Huber is harmless. This thug who was just released is not harmless. He is a repeat offender who is believed to steal for his heroin drug problem. If his craving is strong, he will kill a young lady in a parking garage just to take her purse. I can not believe the woman who is worried about her safety in the parking garage because of Mr. Huber's presence...lol.. Mr. Huber's presence actually makes the garage at 75E Chicago Ave. much safer. I noticed this garage is the favorite of young ladies who attend the bars. He functions as a Security Guard and we taxpayers don't even have to pay him. We should buy him a nice sturdy pretty tent or concrete hut for his services. Plus he takes care of the plants and flowers at the parking deck when the police are not hassling him.

Anyway the second armed robber in the Extra Value Liquor case is up for Dupage Court on Sept. 14. Chief David Dial needs to stop worrying about Scott and worry about the leniency these hard core armed criminals are receiving in Dupage. He needs to talk to the prosecutors and States Attorney Joseph Birkett. So does Mayor George "Charles" Pradel who is a former cop and knows the danger the NPD undertook to apprehend and arrest these thugs. Employees and customers at the liquor store were a trigger pull away from their deaths. Any false move and we would have several employees and customers dead. And Dupage sentence an armed robber to 90 days when you count time off for "good behavior."

Let us all attend the next City Council meeting and demand a resolution CONDEMNING Dupage County for allowing dangerous heroin armed robbers to roam our city after only serving 90 days in jail.
This is an atrocious atrocity by our prosecutors and Judges. It is despicable and heinous behavior by our elected and non-elected public officials. It is SICKENING to say the least.

These armed thugs pulled an armed robbery at peak business time and got away with a 4 digit number of cash plus merchandize. And guess what the fine of the one sentenced was....415 dollars to pay for court costs and a TINY FINE.

Is this a joke, my fellow bloggers and citizens? If I did not trust the Naperville Sun I would have thought it was a joke. See the link above if you don't believe me, Former WV Mom. I wonder what her opinion is on such an atrocity by corrupt prosecutors running our county. One has to ask and/or wonder if they were bribed by the attorneys of these thugs to have let them go so easily??? I am only asking a question and not libeling them. But I am highly suspicious due to their despicable behavior in letting repeat and hard core criminals off so easily and back on the streets of Naperville to bing chaos. We would not need so many cameras if we can leave such criminals locked up until they were too old to commit such acts? Were there drivers licenses revoked permanently? They committed 6 serious traffic infractions while escaping at speeds of 100 miles an hour.

Is anyone else suspicious of their behavior?

Does anyone else want to see the City Council pass a resolution CONDEMNING Dupage County and its Corrupt Judicial System?

Does anyone see why we are wasting our time on the peaceful protester named Scott M. Huber who is actually making our town safer by being an around the clock presence in the center of the downtown area? He is providing all this free security to the Naperville Taxpayers.

Yes, his habitat is an eyesore. But if we can let our public officials Double Dip into our tax funds, we should be able to build him a nice structure so he can look like a security guard while continuing his PROTEST.

That is my SOLUTION!

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Mr. Huber,

If you could kindly provide the phone numbers and e-mail addresses of all Dupage prosecutors and judges so us blogger can blast away at them since the City of Naperville refuses to exercise its clout except in dealing with you. Thanks you in advance for the numbers from the wealth of your data base.


CIJ;

You're using Scott to fight your battle:
1. I agree terrible crime, seems the punishment doesn't fit
2. This has nothing to with Scott Huber he is not being arrested or charged with a crime
3. The city council has nothing to do with armed robbery, there are plenty of laws on the books that' why it called the Legislative Branch.
4. This is about a man that for some reason lives on the street in a fairly affluent community, in the middle of a shopping and entertainment district panhandling for money. PERIOD!
5. Stick to the blog question or start a new blog on the inequities of the Executive Branch of Du Page County.
6. Take a Civic's lesson!

"By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM

Ok, Mr. Huber, explain to us all why your landlord had to take you to court in 1999 because you were about $1500 behind in your rent. Did you expect your landlord to provide you with shelter for free? Did you expect the courts to make your landlord provide you with shelter for free? Did you show up in court to defend the action? What was your defense other than you had a stroke of bad luck and couldn't pay your rent? Did you expect the police to intercede on your behalf with the landlord? If you don't pay your rent, how does your landlord pay for the cost of operating the rental unit?"

Ok, "Mr." Anonymous, you really need a more solid handle so that you have unique identity rather than hiding behind such nebulous "skirts"! I is hard to know for which "Anonymous" I am dealing!

I really don't think it is any of your business except I will use it to make my case against the nefarious conducts of attorneys, the courts and management business.

A manager is in bad faith when they illegally enter ones home office and snoop around for their agents, directly or via their agents and sabotage ones business efficiencies by illegally entering ones databases and gathering information not theirs, sabotaging ones computer data systems by removing data, by injecting viruses et al. that prevent the normal operation or the operation of one's computers, snooping and stealing information out of one's file cabinets and removing files and books from one's library without permission all designed to impede and make inefficient ones ability to serve his customers, run efficiently his business and prevent normal cash flow and then have the guts to sue in court because one does not have the cash on immediate demand to pay his bills.

Making visits to ones office feigning ones proper entry while one is in another room and quietly slipping in and out leaving payment demands on one's desk saying one was not present and defaulted to provide payment when in fact he was in another room of his home office waiting to deal with that very visit.

Additionally to try to suck one into un-Christian and illegal activities and to suggest so by planting questionable clothing and evidence in ones apartment so to suggest conducts that were not going on and showing their agents to feed sabotage of one's character.

These people who were doing such and caught doing such and reported to the police who said let it ride to forgo a retaliatory eviction. The police were aware of such illegal intrusions and they were not apprehended and punished as far as I know.

Management then trying to remedy the intrusion by reducing such impacts on one by forgiving $1,000 and then padding the bill with another grand ignoring prior arrangements and them saying to the court that I don't pay my bills.

I may not pay my bills timely but I always pay those I owe who are in good faith. These managers were not in good faith and also wanted me out because I was a bone in the throat of those living next door etc that were participating in drug parties and the like.

Or, was not under their manipulative control so that they could milk one in other ways in the community with the ultimate intent to destroy one's business image, character and accomplishments in businesses and community and to diminish ones capabilities to be a normal citizen with free spirit and motivation of conviction.

In essence they wanted to get me under their nefarious spiritual control to either destroy me and my autonomy or make me a blackmailed puppet!

The court action was a farce of redress for grievance. I was there and was denied basic rights and railroaded into a presumed debt that was nefariously constructed.

I sued Judge Ken Moy, Jim Holman and Charron Vantelligen in Federal court to get an injunction and bring this nefarious HIT under Federal scrutiny. These people have had a "millstone" around their necks for quite some time and may be reason why the Judge is no longer a judge having prematurely stepped down form his office and an attorney that is no longer in Naperville last I checked and maybe not even practicing law anymore! Charron Vantelligen only the Lord knows what has happened to her especially after she said in the courthouse while we were walking to a reassignment office that "I belonged in a box buried" threatening my longevity while dealing with the case with possible police officers as witness!

In addition management did not keep up the facilities on a proper and regular basis and catered to her cronies and snubbed my patient gentlemanly evenhanded requests! Same absence of proper management conducts further hampered my efficiencies.

It is also believed that collusion with outside parties saw to having other "renters" interfere with my peace of mind and efficiencies trying to sucker me into altercations with police who strangely had a bend to want to arrest me for things like blowing my nose too hard late at night and being reported without even a warning or courtesy comment! Now how long can one blow his nose and how loud could that be through the walls of a building? Yet this complainant leaves to call the police slamming her door so hard the building shook! It was a nut house to live in and try to survive within and obviously there were not enough bucks to go to better circumstances.

These incidents were the tip of the iceberg of a HIT to accomplish just what has happened...me put out on the street losing my life's investments and having to resort to Protest because the System only protects its "club" members which is a violation of law much less the Constitutions of the State of Illinois and United States!

If the management interferes with their cash flow by interfering with customer cash flow they sabotaged their own income! Simple as that!

The management was in bad faith. The intent was to sabotage not get payment if not timely payment, the same intent I allege of the YMCA of Naperville and Rent-A-Space of Fox Valley a then subsidiary of Jackson Storage of LaGrange, Illinois.

Think about it, my company with an overall good reputation that existed since 1974 with that clientele that came to Naperville to expand as Donnelly demographics recommended and then relatively suddenly is plunged into damaging debt by nefarious criminal politics and conduct all the way up to a judge and probably higher in my observation!

Think about it!

Scott M. Huber
3:36 PM CDT
8-28-09

Scott and CIJ,

Now this is a protester. He fight's for the rights of other people.

Scott take notes!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-activist-city-zone-28-aug28,0,524569.story

CIJ...

Sorry about the phone numbers and email addresses as I don't have them. You can get them to some degree at the Dupage county web site!

Thanks four the kudos in your Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 28, 2009 2:57 PM comments!!!!!

Scott M. Huber
4:45 PM CDT
8-28-09

Scott,

Thanks for your kind words but I do not take any brain cell nutrients. I simply try to use common sense and logic.

I wrote my last post describing your free services as a Security Guard before your own post on the issue was published. So I know you provide a lot of good even before you mention it yourself. I am a notoriously good observer.(don't mean to be boasting if it came out like that.)

I have 4 kids, a dog and kitten that provide distractions equal to the pedestrians.....and a spouse that can occasionally nag like any intoxicated person downtown even though he/she also does not drink alcohol. I also just switched to ATT Uverse which is down often just like your Wi-Fi. Nothing is perfect in this world.

But you need to answer my simple question asking you to describe the circumstances of your eviction from your business, home and/or storage facility. I am a little vague on this issue despite 3-4 hours of reading about your case, I have not got a straight answer from you, others or the authorities.

I am trying to help you and asking you a simple question that you know the answer to. Please summarize in a few paragraphs the basis and root cause of this strike. You are able to summarize the shrimp wrap law over and over and over again, so why can not you summarize the root cause of your strike. Please, Mr. Huber! Lack of time is not an excuse. Please use your time wiser and more efficiently and you will have plenty of time. Focus on this blog site for now as it is intensely dealing with your case and has much more influence than all your other web sites combined. Notice the number of quality hits in just a few days. As I said no one reads the Daily Herald, its internet edition, or its blog site in Naperville except a few lost souls who are not in tune or touch with reality.

Many of us would like to know the foundation of your case. Many of us already know Dupage is corrupt so you are only telling us what we know ever so well. But if you tell us how they abused you personally, maybe just maybe we can embarass them publicly and call the Northwestern Law Professors and Students on them who made minced meat out of them regarding the fabricated and false Nicarico charges.

So please help by telling your story. I already apologized for breaking your shrink wrap rules and asked the Moderator to delete them. What more do you expect me to do? I have no more control over the Moderator than you do. He is independent as he should be.

Therefore, stop rambling and mumbling about something I have no control over and apologized for at least twice. Tell us how this all started. Tell us how the NPD failed you by not investigating the storage company. Give us some juicy details that are accurate and factual.

Or provide me a link that leads me to the root cause. Not a link that requires me to read 5 hours in hopes of seeing an answer to my question if I am lucky and it is even in there.

Do your duty before the partiers converge on downtown Naperville tonight and distract you till the wee hours of the night. Please!

Thank you,
CIG

Well, see, you get him stirred up and he spills his guts. So, now you go to the Federal Court site and find that Mr. Huber did indeed on 1/21/99 file a case against Judge Moy, his landlord (who still resides in Naperville and owns rental property), and her attorney. He sought to file as one unable to pay the filing fee which means a judge had to review the case. It was assigned to Judge Anderson who summarily dismissed the action for lack of jurisdiction on 1/25/99. Mr. Huber appealed Judge Anderson's decision which was immediately dismissed by the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals on 2/22/99. Now tell me that Judge Anderson and the 7th Circuit are involved in a conspiracy with the city and county to ruin Mr. Huber.

What do we get from his posting? He claims that he pays his bills but late but only to those who are in good faith (as he defines them). If he had the money to pay the rent as he alleges, all he had to do was pay it and the eviction would go away. Further, Illinois law is clear that one cannot live in a rental unit for free. If one has a beef with their landlord they have to pay the rent into an escrow account. In truth, he didn't either couldn't pay it or didn't want to pay it at all. Again, he states that he wanted the police department to get involved in his civil litigation with his landlord. The police rightfully declined to do so.

Now, CIJ, if you wanted to know the name of the storage unit, it's Jackson Storage's operation on Ogden. Jackson Storage has been a Naperville institution for 125 years plus. It is a respected part of our community. They operated All Seasons Ice Rink at a loss for many years in order to give our kids a place to play hockey, figure skate, and just have a place to be with their friends on a cold winter weekend day. Between the rantings of Mr. Huber in his postings, especially his latest to me, and Jackson Storage's reputation, I'll take Jackson Storage anytime. Especially where Mr. Huber is probably unreachable by mail because he is using a storefront at Westridge Court as his mailing address at the time. CIJ, since you are so good at searching the Sun archives at the library, maybe you could see if Jackson did publish notice of the sale as required by law.

Don't get me wrong. Mr. Huber needs help as disclosed by his postings. The problem is that Mr. Huber has to want help before he can be helped. I think CIJ has seen that fact up close and personal from Mr. Huber's personal attacks upon CIJ who was only trying to help.

By Dan on August 28, 2009 3:49 PM
CIJ;

You're using Scott to fight your battle:

My battle is not my battle. It is a battle of citizens who think government is wasting money and causing higher unaffordable taxes. I have been fighting this battle for nearly 3.5 years without using or even mentioning Mr. Huber. So don't accuse me of using him. I am here defending his rights as a US Citizen and Naperville resident. I am not using him in any way. Hopefully, he will agree. He gave me a KUDOS a few blogs back so he must not agree with you. Thankfully!


1. I agree terrible crime, seems the punishment doesn't fit.

I am glad we both agree 90 days for an armed robber who led police on a high speed chase that risked life and limb is ridiculous....an INJUSTICE. I hope we see an Editorial from the Opinion Staff of the Naperville Sun condemning Dupage County for such leniency towards hard core armed Class X felony criminals. We will see if the Sun has courage to condemn the Establishment when they act so unjustly towards a victimized retailer in town and the NPD officers who showed heroism that day.

2. This has nothing to with Scott Huber he is not being arrested or charged with a crime.

You missed my point. The city council is wasting its time trying to pass a discriminatory ordinance against a harmless penniless protester. They should be using their time more effectively and efficiently trying to pass a RESOLUTION CONDEMNING DuPage County for letting armed robbers off after only serving 90 days in a cushy Dupage Jail Cell with only a fine, a fraction of the amount they robbed from Extra Value Liquors. It is almost like they told the armed criminals CRIME PAYS! The NPD were so lucky to catch them literally in the act and then Dupage County lets them go to committ more crimes. With only maybe a one in 100 chance of being caught with 4 digit loots why would anyone think they would not be at it again? In the rare event they are caught they get to stay at Dupage Four Seasons Hotel using a fraction of their proceeds. You wonder if Dupage FSH allowed them to drink the liquor they stole (in addition to the money) or if they returned it to Extra Value Liquors??? What if they stole a few cartons of cigs? Did Dupage FSH put them in a smoking room to accomodate them? Maybe the Sun can find out for us what is going on in Dupage County, a government body and institution, we support with our hard earned tax dollars.

I want the city to put its resources in the right place. Leave Scott alone! Build him a nice hut on the sidewalk since he does provide security and horticulture services while protesting all FREE of charge.

5. Stick to the blog question or start a new blog on the inequities of the Executive Branch of Du Page County.
6. Take a Civic's lesson!

I will be honest with you. I never took a Civic's lesson. But isn't Dupage County Courthouse part of the judicial system and not the executive branch of Dupage County. May I ask where you took your civics lessons? Could it have been at the College of Dupage which is controlled and manipulated by Dupage County?


Regarding Huber's blog posting, "By Anonymous on August 28, 2009 3:49 PM":

Wow, just wow. Yeah, this man needs help, seriously. However, he is not far enough gone to be committed, most likely. Do as PADs does, give him a hot meal and a place to sleep and train fair for the morning to go do it again at the next neighboring PADs location. If this is unacceptable to Mr. Huber, then perhaps he should clean up and get a job, find help with housing and health issues, help is available. His excuses turn into "complaining and explaining" and folks that live with this type of problem solving never get anywhere and no on wants to deal with their negative energy.

It is my opinion that CIJ is not helping here at all. It is my opinion that CIJ has chosen this "cause" for her current topic/need for fantasy and inflammatory attention. It is my opinion that this type of attention given to Mr. Huber just feeds his paranoia and gives him a larger soap box himself. It is my opinion that CIJ is as much of a complainer and explainer as Huber is. Get off the soap box and turn all the negative energy into positive action for yourself and others.

Thank you "By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 28, 2009 10:53 PM" for some real investigation and info. I know something of Judge Anderson. He is intelligent, fair and without drama, very well respected.

By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 28, 2009 10:53 PM

Now, CIJ, if you wanted to know the name of the storage unit, it's Jackson Storage's operation on Ogden. Jackson Storage has been a Naperville institution for 125 years plus. It is a respected part of our community. They operated All Seasons Ice Rink at a loss for many years in order to give our kids a place to play hockey, figure skate, and just have a place to be with their friends on a cold winter weekend day. Between the rantings of Mr. Huber in his postings, especially his latest to me, and Jackson Storage's reputation, I'll take Jackson Storage anytime.


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Mr. Huber apparently fought his legal battles representing himself. So whether he was wrong or right he really had no chance in Dupage or Federal Court.

I have no doubt Mr. Huber fell on hard times and fell behined on his storage rent. He broke the letter of the law because he was penniless. I doubt he broke or meant to break the spirit of the law,

If Jackson Storage is so generous could they have not given Mr. Scott Huber a break until he got on his feet. Could they have not sent him a certified letter notifying him that his belongings will be disposed or auctioned before doing either? According to Mr. Huber's writings he was never given certified notice. I believe him.

The least they could have done if they were this very generous 125 year old Naperville institution as you allege, is open the doors for Mr. Huber to take his $1.7- 2 million in contents out before auctioning them off for pennies on the dollar and apparently completely ruining his life.

You say this institution is so compassionate, yet they showed no compassion towards a penniless man who was down and out.

Mr. Huber apparently has developed a mild or possibly severe case of paranoia during his 8 year strike possibly as a result of NPD harassment and forced sleep deprivation Thus he may be ill but it is the City' fault. So knowing he is ill do we as a City have a right to throw an ill person to the wolves to be eaten alive?

We are the richest town in American with over 100,000 in population. Can't all 143,000 of us residents help one penniless striker and try to get him back on his feet. Why do we not have compassion for a fellow human being who is down and out?

WE SHOULD!

CIJ

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Ps. And once again if the City Council is bored from lack of work, they can and should pass a resolution 9-0 CONDEMNING the Dupage County Judicial System for making a deal with an armed robber to only serve 90 days. This armed robber is back on the streets and no one knows which retailer in Naperville is next on his list.

LEAVE SCOTT ALONE.

Excellent Posting By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 28, 2009 10:53 PM

Just a little research will find Mr. Huber's accounts of past dealings to be very blurred. He knows his days are numbered on the street. The good news he will soon be in a much safer place.

CIJ, you were talking of the problems with police. That is the Executive Branch. SO maybe now you should start two blogs, one on the executive and a second on the judicial. No system is perfect.

CIJ

When it's your money, you can be magnanimous. I don't even know that Jackson knew of Mr. Huber's plight. Taking Mr. Huber's word for argument's sake, what address did he leave with Jackson for notification purposes? The storefront at Westridge Court? The rental unit on North where he had been evicted for also not paying rent? If Jackson sent the notice to either of these addresses, chances are that Mr. Huber was not there to sign for a certified letter and does not know if one was sent. Let's just recognize what happened. Mr. Huber fell on hard times and couldn't pay his bills. As far as I know, his landlords handled the situation as provided by law. A court of law so found in one of these situations.

Once again, Mr. Huber needs help. But, Mr. Huber must be willing to accept help.

bfife on August 27, 2009 1:59 PM

You and the others cite law that is superseded by thy First Amendment. That is why the City could not evict me prior....this is a strike / protest and protected just like unions are!

Were you go wrong is that you ignore that there are exceptions to the law here. Corner Bakery and Tangerine has occupied about 66 to 75% of the walk way. If you apply the law your way they too would be in violation and outdoor cafes also could be construed as public health hazards and trash generators on the "pristine" streets of Naperville with all the crap that floats down the streets from them! Additionally, some no doubt don't like outdoor cafes obstructing their public access ways!

If the public majority does not sway the City to see the light that the new law would unlawfully discriminate and cater to minority special interest mentalities and withdraw the motions for the new ordinance or vote against its installment then the City will be crossing the line of First Amendment law.

That will prompt me to ask for Federal assistance to enforce the Federal Law and the Constitution.

So those of you that can't figure out why I have been allowed here for the most of eight years have to read your First Amendment and its applications through Federal Law and realize that Unions strike and protest all the time for indefinite stays until issues are resolved choosing where, when and how long they stay with their accoutrements...no one else but the strikers / protesters designate those parameters as I have it.

My presence with my Protest Site is not too much as Dick Furstenau alleges. He does not want to deal with the real issues and attempts to treat the symptom and not the cause!

The so called "Eye Sore" along with other contested issues are Red Herrings and Hot Button diversions. Naperville is great at this! The fact is that the Furstenau Council does not want my protest to be durable and my accoutrements at my protest site make it much more durable and he knows it and even mentioned the benefits I have saying in essence that I have it too good! Their intent is to shrivel my durability and effectiveness and make me disappear resultantly! They don't want me visible because they don't want to deal with the concupiscence with "Devil" that continues in this community serving select money gluttons and not serving the whole community that also has a right to exist here!

A strike / protest, as I have said before, is never liked by the "management", (that includes the selfish businesses and people that are un-American in not recognizing that strike / protest sites are a part of the American Way and lawful...they who are putting the pressure on the Council and twisting the Council's thinking away from First Amendment Rights). Strikes / Protests are a part of Americana and should be respected! Doing so shows that we are truly free Americans under Love not Despots ! Trying to eliminate basic necessities that make the Strike / Protest durable is not in keeping with well and settled Strike / Protest rights, procedure and tradition.

Naperville thinks they don't have to play by well established Custom and Customary rights which are the law! They, among others including certain churches and the U.S. Post Office are great manipulators and technocrats of the law and violate basic equal rights under the Law and Love! You know, the part of the Pledge of Allegiance that says "WITH JUSTICE AND FREEDOM FOR ALL"!!!

Simply put if they pass the ordinance I will challenge them as Love Almighty enables and of which by the Allegiance to the Flag we and they are under and bound. I will challenge them through every avenue possible:Mony/CNN, churches, civil rights groups, organizations and the government. I will seek to see that foundational laws are respected and honored contextually and evenhandedly in the Customs and Traditions that exist and need to exist to keep this country truly free and American in Spirit and Truth. By doing same the law cannot and will not cater to special interests that only have themselves,(making their "beds" "feathered" fatter and plumper), of interest denying others the right to have their "beds" "feathered" fairly and squarely!

Scott M. Huber
12:37 PM CDT
8-29-09

bfife on August 27, 2009 1:59 PM

CORRECTION.....

"...WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL." Implying "FREEDOM" for ALL!

Scott M. Huber
2:02 PM CDT
8-29-09

Wow.....
How many of the people posting here have even noticed that they or a family member may face homelessness during this time of financial meltdown?
I've spoken to the gentleman and believe him to be one of the more intelligent members of the Naperville Community. He was just as wealth and played the "keeping up with the Jones's game" just as well as any that are wanting his removal. He has the experience of sudden poverty. I think he has more to offer those making poor business decisions than most people commenting are aware of. Since it's not local practice to speak to those you look down on, I'm guessing that most people that despise him are those that have never done more than offer disdain for him.

By Scott M. Huber on August 29, 2009 12:40 PM
bfife on August 27, 2009 1:59 PM

You and the others cite law that is superseded by thy First Amendment. That is why the City could not evict me prior....this is a strike / protest and protected just like unions are!

Were you go wrong is that you ignore that there are exceptions to the law here. Corner Bakery and Tangerine has occupied about 66 to 75% of the walk way. If you apply the law your way they too would be in violation and outdoor cafes also could be construed as public health hazards and trash generators on the "pristine" streets of Naperville with all the crap that floats down the streets from them! Additionally, some no doubt don't like outdoor cafes obstructing their public access ways!

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Mr. Huber's last long post made a little bit too much sense. Apparently he got a good night's sleep and was extremely coherent. I say let us show some respect for the man.

He is capable of engaging us in a 10 year legal battle just like the Napergate Man was. And he will engage us and we will lose 15 million instead of 10 million because out-of-house attorneys now charge 50% more than in the Napergate Era.

I love his sidewalk argument about how Corner Bakery and Tangerine are blocking 75% of the sidewalk while he is only blocking 25% at most where it is very wide and he is falsely accused of obstructing a public pathway. It shows you how Naperville has it in for him because he is not a burgeoise elitist that fits with the Estbalishment.

They had it for the Napergate Man and his 3500 blue collar/middle class supporters because they did not fit the image of Naperville. How dare they protest on the corner of Hobson and Naper Blvd. with 300-500 strong and shame them in front of all the network TVs and print newspapers!

(I have to go somewhere so I have to cut this short.)

But I am not the one who said this Jackson Storage House is generous and an outstanding citizen and business. Anonymous said so and I was just wondering how could they be generous if they threw $1.7-2 million of this homeless man's belongings away or auctioned them. Of course, if the owner was not paying, he fell on hard times.

They should have demanded he pick up his belongings and forgave him the debt of rent or SUED him. But to throw his life time belongings in dumpters or auction them is UNCONSIONABLE of an operation who some are claiming is very GENEROUS.

Let us stop harassing SCOTT and start HARASSSING DUPAGE COUNTY who is about to let another ARMED ROBBER out on Sept. 14 after serving only 140 or so days. Yes, this is the second armed robber in the EXTRA VALUE LIQUOR CASE.

Please call and complain to your City Council and demand they pass a resolution CONDEMING Dupage County for allowing armed thugs loose in our neighborhoods.

This is scary...not SECURITY GUARD SCOTT M. HUBER WHO WAS A FORMER CAPTAIN and protects all the girls who enter the parking garage at 75 E. Chicago Ave.

By Christian on August 29, 2009 2:14 PM

Wow.....
How many of the people posting here have even noticed that they or a family member may face homelessness during this time of financial meltdown?

Christian, we are not looking down. We truly understand he needs help. He won't accept help because he likes the attention. If he accepts or his forced to get the help he needs he won't perceive himself to be "THE PROTESTER" and will won't stand out and be the center of attention. If you had a family member that was homeless, I can tell by your post you'd welcome them into your home unless he or she was disruptive because of a mental illness.

To Scott, plain and simple we (90%) don't accept you as a protester. We do believe your homeless and need some help perceiving the world. The only forum for your words is on the these blogs. They will never see a courtroom

CIJ

Do you really believe that the stuff was worth $1.7-2 million? Consider the depreciation. Consider the obsolescence. Consider the hyperbole on Mr. Huber's part.

Further, if you sold a security to someone and then they couldn't pay you, would you let them keep the security anyway? Or would you invoke every legal method of collecting or recouping on the failed transaction?

By Dan on August 29, 2009 3:54 PM
By Christian on August 29, 2009 2:14 PM

To Scott, plain and simple we (90%) don't accept you as a protester. We do believe your homeless and need some help perceiving the world. The only forum for your words is on the these blogs. They will never see a courtroom.

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Mr. Huber is a protestor. He is protesting the judicial system of justice in Dupage. He is protesting the winks and nods by establishment attorneys to Judges in Dupage County that give them favorable veridicts against the oppressed and abused.

Mr. Huber has represented himself unsuccessfully in the judicial system in the past. This does not mean he will never win. This does not mean sooner or later a good Christian Lawyer will not take up his case pro bono or "free of charge" in case I am not using the right words.

Mr. Huber is educating himself every day. Mr. Huber is rallying more support everyday. Mr. Huber is publicizing his case every day. Sooner or later some attorney is going to step forward who wants to be in the limelight and get his 15 minutes of fame. If Drew Peterson, an alleged murderer can get an attorney pro bono, Mr. Huber will eventually also get an attorney or a law firm to take up his case pro bono because it is a rightful and just case about a real cause.

The city council in its infinite wisdom got in a fiasco amongst each other about whether Furstenau touched a cop or did not touch a cop and it cost us TAXPAYERS 1.5 million dollars. Does anyone really think this City Council learned anything? It did not cost them a penny. We paid the cost for their lack of wisdom. We paid the price because they could not sit in a room like adult men and women and resolve a "he said, she said" case. How shameful? What a price we taxpayers had to pay?

Now the city council and city officials want to pass a resolution directed specifically against SMH while claiming it is not against him publicly. The only problem is internal e-mails were already sent amongst each other admitting it was specifically directed against him in a DISCRIMINATORY MANNER. Dah!

CM Bob blew the whistle on them in a televised city council meeting that I watched live. Just imagine we have a "whistle blower" before it even goes to court.

Scott did not have the goods against Naperville like the Napergate Man did. Furstenau also did not have the goods. But if the City of Naperville will pass this discriminatory ordince. SMH will finally have the goods to win. He already has the video tape link to this City Council meeting that he attended and spoke eloquently and politely at.

SMH will be able rasie the contributions necessary for filing fees if he has to represnt himself. He knows how to file an appeal and has filed one to the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals on his own behalf. Yes, he lost but he got some experience under his belt for the next round.

If SMH wants he can cost us 15 million dollars for the next 10 years even though he may even lose. And if pulls it off it will be 15 million dollars in legal fees plus damages to him.

The internal legal dept. in both the Napergate and Furstenau Cases has proven they are unable to handle the most basic of legal cases. They depend on outside legal firms that charge 300-500 dollars an hour. Outside law firms that know City Officials have a chip on their shoulders and egos breaking through their thick skulls that gives them the green light to bill high and higher. They know Naperville is the weatlthiest town in the USA with over 100k population which gives them futher incentive to cream us over the coals.

We must as taxpayers say no more waste of taxpayer money on outsdie law firms. We do not have to beat SMH at any cost as we attempted in the Napergate Case and failed miserably and attempted in the Furstenau Case and succeeded at a great cost.

Let us be smart this time. As CM BOB has stated SMH believes he was abused. He was certain he was abused. He genuinely believes in his cause whether it has legal merit or no merit. He believes the spirit of the law was broken in dealing with him. He may even be right. Dupage is corrupt and only establishment folks get a fair shake. Did not States Attorney Birkett's son get off pretty easily after he was caught with drugs and paraphenila in his possession in a Naperville apartment? Did he even get a penalty or fine? I certainly remember he did not spend even an hour in jail.

Let us give SMH 50k or $1 per household and get him back on his feet. He needs money for a home and business both of which he lost due to hard times and a judicial system and landlord who showed no mercy in successfully pursuing the LETTER OF THE LAW.

Let us as good Christians, Muslims and Jews show some compassion and mercy towards this penniless guy who is living on "fumes." It is Ramadan and soon it will be Christmas and Hannukah. Let us be generous towards him as all religions teach compassion and love especially during the Holidays.

He is not an evil man. He is not a trouble maker. He is not a leech. He is not a parasite. He is a human being with no FAMILY who fell on hard times.

We the residents of Naperville need to step up and be his family. He may be ill as many of you suggest. If that is the case than we have more of an obligation to help him since we made him ill. He was not ill when he repaired my VCRS. He was 100% normal. I challenge anyone to sleep outside in the freezing cold weather for 8 seasons and not be ill physically or mentally. I challenge anyone to try to sleep in a tent with water flowing down the sidewalk and through his tent for 6 days straight and maintain his sanity.

At least Scott M. Huber is still an awesome and articulate writer which means most of his bearings are still intact except for a little paranoia that even the finest in the NPD also have. As he said it is a healthy protection type of paranoia that keeps him safe and alert.

I urge all to rethink their positions on SMH for their sakes and his sake and the sake of the City Budget which experienced an 11.5 million dollar deficit before many city employees had to be laid off and many services reduced or curtailed to residents.

If you don't, please don't complain when we get a legal bill for 15 million dollars pertaining to Huber v. Naperville. Unlike Furstenau, SMH will never surrender. He is more like the Napergate Man in utter determination without the money and resources. But some attorney from somewhere is going to take up his case. That is my predicition and we need to all watch out before it is too late.

As I suggested let us have CM Bob arbitrate a solution between our City and SMH. I believe he is a fair man who is a distinguished attorney who both sides can trust.

Sorry Scott, none of us believe you are a striker. I know this because I walked a flight attendant picket line against AA. I remember walking (in heels!) holding signs, having a few chants about Bob Crandall and enjoying pizza from the fire departments. This protest lasted 5 days, not 8 years! Our union was told by the city exactly where we could stand/walk. We simply followed the rules mandated by the city. We didn't build a permanent structure, set up a generator and complain that it is everyone's fault. We fought and won, while paying union dues.

Shame on the city for not enforcing the city code and laws!

Citizen Investigative Journalist you sound lonely, maybe you should have Scott over in your front yard and catch up?!

Dan, Bfife and Southside Taxpayer: you three need to run for city council! Thank you for your insight!


MHB wrote:

The internal legal dept. in both the Napergate and Furstenau Cases has proven they are unable to handle the most basic of legal cases. They depend on outside legal firms that charge 300-500 dollars an hour. Outside law firms that know City Officials have a chip on their shoulders and egos breaking through their thick skulls that gives them the green light to bill high and higher. They know Naperville is the weatlthiest town in the USA with over 100k population which gives them futher incentive to cream us over the coals.

Hogwash. The Furstenau case was not simple, even if DF was eventually forced to give in. There were five or six different defendants in various city departments. And there were several conflicts of interest involved in having the city represent all defendants, as Experience very clearly explained.

As a compassionate human being, I certainly agree that Scott Huber needs help. However, he has already stated that a 25-50,000 dollar offering would not be acceptable, CIJ, so why do you insist on throwing that out as an "option"?!! It seems rational to you and perhaps to others reading the blog, but you need to come to the realization that we are not dealing with a rational person here. He may have been at one time, but is not within the norm now. So you cannot continue to try to deal with him as you would other intelligent, reasonable people. No matter how many times you say it, you simply will not change his mind. Sadly, you cannot.

I had to laugh when I read your statement CIJ, "Mr. Huber apparently has developed a mild or possibly severe case of paranoia during his 8 year strike possibly as a result of NPD harassment and forced sleep deprivation Thus he may be ill but it is the City' fault."
I would challenge you to find any mental health expert that would agree with your viewpoint. More like his life spun out of control due to these health issues, THEN he landed on Chicago Ave.!!!

If we opened up the floodgates and started handing out money as you suggest, whether it be to a long line of Hubers, Furstenaus, or the like, this city would never stop being targeted as an easy mark for easy money. Shall we send them to your house to start the line at the taxpayer's door? It would make the 1.5 million wasted last year seem like a pittance.

He needs social services readily available in this area. Period.

Anonymous on August 29, 2009 7:01 PM

"Sorry Scott, none of us believe you are a striker. I know this because I walked a flight attendant picket line against AA. I remember walking (in heels!) holding signs, having a few chants about Bob Crandall and enjoying pizza from the fire departments."

You can't characterize all strikes by your singular experience.

"This protest lasted 5 days, not 8 years!"

You were lucky! Major industrial strikes often last years!

"Our union was told by the city exactly where we could stand/walk. We simply followed the rules mandated by the city."

I believe you were on what might be called private or restricted City property which is subjected to different requirements as compared to a public way! A strike I worked at a plant had their picketers on the easement of the roadway. They often sat in their cars on lawn chairs!

"We didn't build a permanent structure, set up a generator and complain that it is everyone's fault."

I did not build a structure much less a permanent one. A tarp over a tote, jinrikisha and amenities used on the strike line does not constitute a structure no more than a tarp over a car!

A generator is not an unusual appliance anymore than a car sitting nearby with a power tap coming off of it! Cars are frequently on strike lines.

Superlatives, Superlatives, Superlatives...I have never complained that every one is at fault any more than you did on your strike experience! Please get your facts straight and do your homework! More people simply don't know what they are talking about in this forum!

"We fought and won, while paying union dues."

Congratulations! You were blessed! I have paid union dues and when the chips were down was left in the lurch! First Amendment Rights don't have to be union represented though!

Scott M. Huber
11:19 PM CDT
8-29-09

I don't believe the city owes Scott anything, but at the same time I think they would be stupid to pass an ordinance that specifically targets him and should just let him be.

He has been there for a number of years and should be let to stay there as long as he chooses with whatever display of protest/strike/whatever you want to call it. People have a finite amount of time on this earth. It won't be forever. Personally, I like driving by and taking a glimpse of what he happens to be doing at that moment in time. This morning, he had a black laptop bag in his hand as he was situating himself in his space. I'm just fine with that.

Scott, I may not understand or agree with what you are protesting but I do believe you have the right to do it and will support that right because I am an American, the same as you and I believe in the Constitution.

By Anonymous on August 29, 2009 7:01 PM

Citizen Investigative Journalist you sound lonely, maybe you should have Scott over in your front yard and catch up?!

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Don't know where you come up with this loneliness which you appear to be suffering from.

1. I went to Argonne National Laboratary today with the entire family, 6 of us, which had an Open House for the first time since 911.

2. I went to the health club and worked out with some friends for an hour.

3. We then went to Tilted Kilt and watched Ulitimate Fighting for a few hours. The crowd was really into it and really wanted 46 year old Randy to win...but he lost 30-27, 30-27, and 29-28 in a very tough match by a unanimous decision against the Brazilian whom barely beat him. I guess mother nature caught up with him finally.

4. I then played with my dog and kitten on the outdoor patio for 15 minutes. I consider them friends just like my human friends.

5. And I will be going out for a burrito after Chris closes down at 2am.


That is what I did today and the night is not over for me. What did you do today LONELY LADY. Do you have a family? If you do than stop bashing Scott who appears not to have a family and be as fortunate as most of us. Please!

Keep in mind I have a VERY UNIQUE ABILITY TO TYPE EXTREMELY FAST WHILE THINKING AT THE SAME TIME. How are your typing skills? Do you use spell check? I don't....please don't worry about me and let us stay focused on Mr. Scott M. Huber. He is the issue...not ME!

I am doing just fine....thanks for asking and worrying about ME.

By Anonymous on August 29, 2009 11:09 PM

If we opened up the floodgates and started handing out money as you suggest, whether it be to a long line of Hubers, Furstenaus, or the like, this city would never stop being targeted as an easy mark for easy money. Shall we send them to your house to start the line at the taxpayer's door? It would make the 1.5 million wasted last year seem like a pittance.

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Speaking of floodgates, did you ever see how the Seca Funds from the 1% tax on us residents is given away to those who line up, after the NPD gets its 100k off the top for OT at a couple of so called charity events including the PigFest.

I am not the City of Naperville that wastes 10 million on Napergate Trials and 1.5 million on the Fustenau Dismissal. I am not the City of Naperville that may decide to waste another ton of money on Huber v. Naperville. I have 4 kids, a dog and a kitten to take care and can only help Mr. Huber so much.

I have donated money to Mr. Huber while passing by him and will continue to donate money to him as a way of helping him get on his feet. It makes me feel very good to help him. I can't wait to make my next contribution to him.

Now, it is time for the City to show some compassion for him. I can not afford to support him singularly and neither can most people in this town including Moser who lost his shirt in Seven Bridges after they filed bankruptcy.

This is a CITY problem and not MY problem. Plus he does not bother me. He apparently bothers City Hall so they need to pay up if they want him off the sidewalk and to resolve this issue in a reasonable and fair manner.

By John Q. Public on August 29, 2009 10:12 PM

Hogwash. The Furstenau case was not simple, even if DF was eventually forced to give in. There were five or six different defendants in various city departments. And there were several conflicts of interest involved in having the city represent all defendants, as Experience very clearly explained.

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It was a very easy case. It was a "he said, she said" case about whether Furstenau touched a cop gently or did not. That is the sum of the entire case.

From there the outside law firms tried to make a mountain from a moehill and ripped the taxpayers for $1,082,000 dollars.

If we did abolutely nothing but show up in court with one of our in-house attorneys, the Judge would have dismissed the case as he did because it turns out Furstenau and his legal team did not have one iota of proof or evidence...it turned out to be a lot of smoke and the city thought the smoke was a fire.

They wasted my money and your money. Don't kid yourself and think this "TOUCHING" case was complicated.

It was about a bunch of idiots that we pay hard earned tax money fighting amongst each other to preserve their egos while costing us money. I would have liked to see them in the Ultimate Fighting Ring where they belong if they want to fight and not in court rooms at taxpayer expense.

Just because Furstenau named defendents for no reason does not make the case complicated. And there was no conflict of interest. That apparently was an excuse so the legal dept can be lazy while we waste our money on these outside legal firms. A fraud was committed on the Naperville Taxpayers by the entire City Council.

Now if they can CENSURE Furstenau over nothing, they can certainly CENSURE and CONDEMN Dupage Country for releasing convicted armed repeat robbers after serving only 90 days in jail. I want to see the City show us they really want to protect us and keep us safe in this lovely Naperville.

MHB wrote:

It was a very easy case. It was a "he said, she said" case about whether Furstenau touched a cop gently or did not. That is the sum of the entire case.

That is a fair description of the criminal case, but NOT of Furstenau's lawsuit, which went way beyond that and was far more complicated.

Dan on August 28, 2009 1:01 PM

"By Dan on August 28, 2009 1:01 PM
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM"

PART A:

"Scott I would gladly compare my entire body of Christian ways to yours."

You miss the whole point of Christian context. We are to be comparing ourselves to Christ not to each other so I am not interest in your offer. 1 Corinthians chapter 1


"You are only a servant on to yourself. You care for no one, you give to no one. You take, take and take again."

And you are God and you are Omniscient…Right!?

"So please do not hide behind a few bible verses."

No, I will "hide" behind as plethora of Bible verses! I don’t know what Christianity you follow but you suggest you are just a Social Gospel Christian. The very admonishment of St. Paul is to put on the amour of Christ which is the Word of God that shields believers from the fiery darts of the wicked and Satan!…Ephesians 6:11-18 and "16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16 and 17!

"Your only saving grace is that you cannot help the way you act daily basis."

My saving Grace is Christ’s mercy not your Opinions! Titus 3: 5 &6.

"Fortunately the Christian faith you tout has given me the compassion to understand what conditions place you in the street in harms way of tormentors, and the elements."

Well I think you just might be beginning to see the Light!

"If you were honestly protesting a just cause instead of the the narcissist SCOTT HUBER cause I might be persuaded to think otherwise."

My cause is parallel with many people’s causes. The Constitution provides for me to publicize my cause. I choose to use my rights rather submit to your Despotism.

St. Paul instructs Christians to provide for ourselves. It does not say I have to do it your way though!

The Scriptures say that Christians should “know thyself”, cf. Deuteronomy 4:9, and in doing that they know what is the best approach to an impossible problem. It does not say that the World, (YOU), will like it!

Even business demands loyalty to its structure! If it took the advice of its adversaries, the competition, it would soon collapse into oblivion. You are clearly the adversary! I merely try to be an autonomous lighthouse not tossed to and fro in a dark world trying to be a good steward among the sharks that are vituperative, obnoxious, obstreperous, devious and narcissist.

Just because I may stand out when taking this position does not make me narcissist! It makes you jealous because I chose to do right and you took the easy way and hid yourself! Just because you are jealous does not make me narcissistic it makes me a good steward using the tools provided for me cost effectively! In your mind anyone who stands out is a narcissist. If people yielded to your mentality the Despots would have a field day for sure!

"Every dollar that is handed to you could be given to so many causes much further up the list than yours. If you had the ability to understand this you would be overwhelmed with guilt. But, alas you don't have the capability."

This is my ministry my ‘Son’. This is my cross to bear as I follow Christ as St. Paul follows Christ! Paul accepted gifts and I do to. Who are you to define who I should accept gifts from and who I should not! Who are you to define the placement of Gods love through gifts! The public is motivated by a compassion / Love that decides not you! You are clearly jealous that God has poured out his gifts on me!

"It's funny how you rail against the forces of society and law accept when it serve your needs."

In your Omniscience you are mistaken. I ‘rail’ against UNJUST forces of society not society as a whole. I fight for the Truth and object to corrupt government that is clearly self serving and controlled by a Despotic minority similarly oriented who ignore their own rules and stated standards. I would not have to be on this protest if I had not been short changed by these Despots who were to operate as a public trust! I have chosen to work through the system not through anarchy. I strive to follow the law that is why I take issue and protest when the rules are not followed! Was not the System designed to engender freedom rather than Despotism? Selah!

"Finally you end many of your salient statements with Selah! I find it ironic the meaning of that word is the one thing you are incapable of ever doing."

You clearly are not capable of assimilating the Truth that I aspire to. You clearly are blind and clearly opening mouth and inserting foot! Do your homework! "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15...The Word of truth extends beyond the Scriptures into life’s scenarios!
Selah!

"You don't ever listen because you only hear the voice in your head."

Oh Great Omniscient Psychiatrist, you love superlatives! I listen to the HOLY SPIRIT not your pretentious interpretations of what is Truth, what is fallacy and reality! "Thy Word have I hid in my heart that I might not sin against thee” the Psalmist wrote unto Love! Psalm 119:11. I LISTEN TO THE WORD IN MY HEART! Selah!

"You don't trust any others do you?"

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever," Hebrews 13:8, NOT YOU OR “OTHERS” who vacillate in the wind to and fro with every wind of doctrine! Ephesians 4:13-15. I test the things that differ and search the scriptures to see whether it is so! Acts 17:11

Scott M. Huber
4:44 PM CDT
8-29-09

PART B:

At least one thing is for sure, it appears that you go by more than one handle up here unless you have taken up other people’s battles!

All I really have to say is that you have made sweeping generalities not based on the facts but based on your self serving desires opening mouth and inserting foot because I see little evidence so to believe you have done your homework and truly found out who I am.

Your self serving desires I detect are based on what you have said and how you interpret the law. You are really un-American because you don’t respect the rights of others to exercise free speech as our Constitution provides for and protects.

You appear not to be able to stand much of anything I say because you have a “homeless” mind set on me and assume things and vent hostility toward the less fortunate than those of you in your strata of society. I have noted this hostility from you. You poise as Omniscient and yet fail the test of Omniscience. I have said nothing to deserve your desecration. I have responded to your bigotry as you have defecated in this forum!

Your ascertainments are without foundation and they appear to me to be motivated by jealousy. You can’t stand someone who has found a way around your road blocks that are designed to denigrate people of accomplishment and yes even in Christian context that are not part of your “Club“ control group. Unless you can control the situation you squat on your opposition and victim.

I don’t seek to control you or those of your ilk. You can continue in your bigotry just don’t defame Me! I just want my fair and square piece of the pie without all the static. I don’t believe you have the right to deny me those basic rights of lawful life, lawful liberty and the lawful pursuit of happiness even in Naperville with your techocratically manipulating the meaning and applications of the law out of context!

However, in the context of "16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.” 2 Timothy 3:16 - 17, I tell you “Sir”, that you should be following after Christ as St. Paul follows after Christ, 1 Corinthians 11:1 not after your “Christian“ Religion. Christ gave St. Paul that unique mission to set the example for modern Christianity exceeding the ministry Christ had with the so called “Great Commission”!

You are to obey the foundationals found in 1 Corinthians Chapter 1 instead of embellishing yourself and your “denominational” gate.

You are justified only by faith in Love not by good works of which you boast for your justification. You are to resign your issues of baptism, (1 Corinthians Chapter 1), to the Holy Spirit who washes and cleanses believing “men” not being religious and puffing yourself up in the traditions and doctrines of men, Titus 3:5 & 6.

It is because of Love’s Grace that you are saved not because of your works and financial bottom line but by the faith God gives “man”, Ephesians 2:8&9.

If you continue in your traditions and preach other Gospels than what St. Paul preaches you are accursed, Galatians Chapter 1! It is as simple as that!

If you hurt any of HIS LITTLE ONES you put worse than a millstone around your neck thrown into the sea! Matthew 18:1-17!

So until you follow after Christ as St. Paul follows after Christ you have no grounds for pointing a finger at me because you are accursed!

Now lick your wounds and perhaps pray about these things if you do such things before you take off on me again!

Scott M. Huber
4:57 PM CDT
8-30-09

By Original Joe on August 30, 2009 12:05 AM
I don't believe the city owes Scott anything, but at the same time I think they would be stupid to pass an ordinance that specifically targets him and should just let him be.

Scott, I may not understand or agree with what you are protesting but I do believe you have the right to do it and will support that right because I am an American, the same as you and I believe in the Constitution.


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Mr. Scott M. Huber,

I think the best we can do for now is sway people of Joe's point of view which I think is right on the money.

But if you follow in your footpath, Joe is hinting you will die as a protestor/striker and get nothing but a ticket to Heaven hopefully since you seem to be a good man and a devout Christian who even takes the train with the little money you have to attend MASS at your church.

You are an intelligent man and eloquent writer. You need to give us specifics and not generalities as to how you were abused by the system. You need to lay your case for us right on the sidewalk in front of you. We know our judicial system borders somewhere between imperfect, incompetent and corrupt.

I do believe you were not heard properly in the judicial system. No one is if they try to represent themselves due to a lack of funds. You are not part of the boy's club.

But you can make your case on this blog site where the residents of Naperville can learn how you were abused. But they need facts, documents and evidence so they can understand as you allege that you were RAILROADED by the judicial system in all its forms and branches.

As the Original Joe, I do not understand your case but support your right to protest and will make donations for you because as CM BOB I believe that you are confident in your cause. But OJ, CM BOB and I are the minority. If you want the majority to support you, your case must be laid out in plain English.

The Napergate Man laid out his case in plain English and we understood what he was saying. You may not be as good a writer as he was, but you certainly have the ability to summarize your case as you have literally summarized the Bible. I now understand the Bible much better but honestly do not understand your case.

The Napergate Man had to pay tens of thousands of dollars to lay out his case in paid Napergate Ads in the Naperville Sun during the Napergate Era. You are lucky we are in the BLOG PHASE of the INTERNET ERA and you can lay your entire case out for us to read free of charge from right under your pretty blue umbrella. Moderator Magee has given you the green light to use his forum. So what if there is a delay in posting time. He is a one man operation and needs to take time out to eat, work and use the restroom occassionally between the hours of 11am and 2am. He is human as you are. He is not deliberating delaying your posts.

I have tried reading your case like I read the Napergate Case at Nichols Library. I am having a very hard time undertanding or comprehending it. You need to help me. If you help me, I will publicize it here and elsewhere. If I can get a grasp on it, I will forward to the Northwestern Group who fights for the oppressed. I will e-mail it to Eric Zorn who loves to take on the establishment wherever it may be. Show us you have a case of fire instead of case of smoke like Furstenau's that wasted our time and money and amounted to dry drama with no good opening, ,no plot, no theme and no good ending.

If you don't want to communicate through me, send Eric Zorn an e-mail directly and tell him your story. If he finds you were abused he will rip through the Naperville Establishment. He ripped through them before on both the Nicarico and Napergate Cases. He did not waste his time on the Furstenau Drama as I did. He is an Investigative Columnist for the Chicago Tribune who can truly help you. He loves standing up for the underdog. So help him help you as he does have a lot of power and influence to shake and bake those who abuse their discretion to further their self- interests at your expense and taxpayer expense.

Scott, licking my wounds? You probably really believe this. See this is the difference between you and me. I've owned various businesses for the past 15 years. Did I have setbacks? Sure I did. Did I think some things were unfair? Sure I did. I failed many times. One thing I did not do is conjure up an entity where I could lay the blame. So instead of getting up dusting yourself off, you through a pity party for yourself. I can tell how special you think you are, so it could never be your own fault, right Scott?

Yes, I read most of your other rants and raves on the other sites. A few things worth reading, most of it babbles on incoherently.


I see you actually used the statement "This is my ministry my ‘Son’" I could have predicted this would start to play out. You believe people will start to follow you because you have a gift.

You also stated somehow I was jealous. That was funny.

I state once again.

My hope is Naperville finds the help you need. I am sure you are within your rights to be homeless and even to protest as you have called it. Now all of us have to pity you tonight because the temperature may dip down to the lowest temperature ever recorded in August. I am sure that's evil Naperville controlling the weather.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 30, 2009 5:40 PM
Original Joe on August 30, 2009 12:05 AM


Just a quickie…

I do believe I have laid out the facts in Flickr and “The Porcupine Quills” quite succinctly. I do believe you CIJ have been reading further in my PQ as your comments elucidate extrapolations with that data in mind.

PQ is almost a real time account of what was happening in 1999 through 2003. Use the search engine I have provided. Use the Google one because “hackers” have disrupted the Yahoo pre-setup I had like Google. Just put your subject item in the search box and it will take you to a host of information. A good start would be to query “storage”.

There are facts that even I don’t know and some of those of you who have had access to information I don’t have opened some doors for me to investigate. However, it all takes time and working in the environment I do out here on a Protest Site that is not a really reliable environment to be doing such intense research and investigation.

You minimized my problems out here to that of your scenario and I beckon to differ. You, for instance, have not had to sit out rain and thunder storms trying to keep your computer equipment from getting baptized and shorting out the circuitry as I have. There are other issues also that you don’t have so you just have to bear with me as I am doing the best circumstances permit which includes environmental fatigue, hacking and theft of files from my hard drive that are critical to these very issues in this forum!

Since you have apparently agreed to comply with my PQ terms of use contract you have access to a plethora of juicy information. Please avail yourself and get off this “You need to give us specifics and not generalities as to how you were abused by the system” stuff because it is for the most part there for your perusal especially in PQ on a time line format that gives you blow by blow. Just do a search on “storage” and use your “find” feature with the word “storage” and that will quickly get you to the meat of that for which you are looking regarding the property loss scenario.

Do a search on ’The Man’, King, Wheaton, Dorta, Court, Naperville, Cuneo, Levine, McGrath, Simler, PADS, Library, Bowen, Wood Dale, Dial and etceteras and likewise you will find examples of those subject matters for which to please the cockles of your heart!

Choose specific terms and you will find a host of information without the painstaking reading…that is why I put the search engine with the localized search in my web site! If you need help with search terms, let me know and I will give you more! Reading the peripheral content puts better context on the specific information so you will see the totality of impact on my circumstances.

Remember, those of you who want to use the above information have to comply with the Terms of Use Contract, AKA Shrimp Wrap Contract and Shrink Wrap Contract in the order below!

1) http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/king.html

2) Search…

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=angelfire+on2+aaelectronics&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Hope this helps!

Scott M. Huber
11:08 AM CDT
8-31-09

CIJ

Have you read Mr. Huber's account of what happened with the storage company? It's appears to be a somewhat contemporaneous journal of what was occuring in Aug and Sept. 1999. He was renting a space for $117 per month and was approx. $1500 behind. He was actively negotiating a settlement with Jackson, and, therefore, he knew that his stuff would be auctioned in Sept. 1999. There is no question of notice on his unit. Jackson offered him two options: (1) pay $1000 by a date in August and the remainder in double monthly payments or (2) remove his stuff before the auction date of 9/2/99. Therefore, Jackson offered to waive their lien and allow Mr. Huber to remove his stuff if he did so before the auction date.

The next part isn't real clear but it appears that Mr. Huber put his stuff in someone else's unit. There was a falling out with the other party who did not pay the rent. Jackson proceeded to collect on the second unit. If the second unit was not in Mr. Huber's name, then Mr. Huber would not have received notice on intent to enforce the lien on the second unit because it wasn't his unit.

Seems like Jackson was more than fair with Mr. Huber. They let him clear out his unit without charge. Mr. Huber's problem was that he put his lot in with someone else who didn't pay Jackson either.

PS to Mr. Huber. Please investigate the fair use doctrine before you complain about this post.

It indeed sounds as if the content Mr. Huber's "Shrimp Wrap" has gotten rather old and rank and should be disposed of.

Let's see...1500.00 divided by 117.00=12.8 months BEHIND in storage facility payments? Perhaps there are late charges included that would somewhat shorten the length on non-payment time. Could I continue using a rental space if I hadn't paid the rent in a YEAR? How narcissistic and self-important of me to think so. This would lead me to believe that Mr. Huber felt that he was being put upon by the business world, but the fact that he was acting the same way toward Jackson's business was not a problem? He then relies on another renter in default to store his "valuables" and cries fowl when his stuff gets sold out from that space in arrears? He didn't pay for storage space fees, his stuff is gone. What are we missing here? Eight year stand off, or eight year pity party? My goodness, get a job or accept services and live in the present, looking to the future rather than crying about a problem that should be long buried and gone. Think of the time wasted that could have been used to recover, rather than whine.

I do understand that Mr. Huber needs help. I don't agree with the type of "help" he thinks will clear up the problem. Handing this man a cash settlement will not bring back his business, will not make him whole and will not make a man that has decided to be sad be happy and successful. The years Mr. Huber has sat on his butt have been years that have created someone with whatever skills to be out of date and not worth much. He fixed electronics that no longer have a viable business model. Repairing VCRs does not make one capable of supporting computers, hardware or software. Business changes, we cannot sit for eight years and expect to still be worth much in a career.

Mr. Huber, in my opinion, has problems that caused him to lose his business and these problems have nothing at all to do with the business or business world itself. These problems are internal and created by himself. These problems keep him from seeing that help could be available and this help could change his current address, but hey, if he doesn't want it then things will be changed for him, eventually.

What I can't figure out is relatively simple, and maybe someone could help me out with this one: What is it that Huber is holding out for?
Ignoring CIJ's lamentable offerings, I haven't found, anywhere, the list of demands or restitution that Huber feels he is entitled to, the list of things that need to be made right so that this 8 year odyssey can be successfully ended.
Huber? What would it take to satisfy you, what would be enough for you to end your self-proclaimed protest?

While I continue to be amused at the shrimp wrap commentary [really! shrimp wrap is hilarious, unintentional or no, isn't it?], and awed at CIJ's belief that only he/she can write up an overview that will allow all this to come to an end, what would be necessary to bring this all to a conclusion after 8 long years?

By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 31, 2009 12:17 PM
CIJ

Have you read Mr. Huber's account of what happened with the storage company? It's appears to be a somewhat contemporaneous journal of what was occuring in Aug and Sept. 1999. He was renting a space for $117 per month and was approx. $1500 behind. He was actively negotiating a settlement with Jackson, and, therefore, he knew that his stuff would be auctioned in Sept. 1999. There is no question of notice on his unit. Jackson offered him two options: (1) pay $1000 by a date in August and the remainder in double monthly payments or (2) remove his stuff before the auction date of 9/2/99. Therefore, Jackson offered to waive their lien and allow Mr. Huber to remove his stuff if he did so before the auction date.

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I have read some information and it is very confusing. That is why I have asked Mr. Huber who is very capable to summarize and attempt to clarify. He has refused and constantly sends me to Porqupine Quills. He has given some advice on SEARCHING thru his "search engine" so I will make another attempt. I just saw that moments again.

Is your understanding that he was offered to remove his stuff before the acution date, without makeing any payment at all? If this was the case, than Jackson showed a lot of mercy and compassion.

My understanding even though I am not clear is they wanted payment and then they would let him take his belongings before subjecting them to auction. They knew he did not have any money and therefore I wish they would have shown some forgiveness and mercy towards him instead of following the letter of the law which they apparently did. (I am not sure if they sent him a Cerftified Letter with a Return Signature Card required. I believe he says they did not. I believe they say we could not find him. Very confusing as their are 2 sides to every story.)

And I do understand a friend of his promised to help him with storing his stuff in an adjoining storage shed in the same facility and then literally screwed Mr. Huber after making him some promises that he would help him, making things exponentialy worse for both parties.

This situation is a mess and 10 years old. One thing INDISPUTABLE is the man fell on some very hard times.

I don't think it is wrong to try to help a man who is pennilees, homeless and family(less) back on his feet. If he is ill with paranoia as so many are claiming that is more reason to help him.

We help Pigfest to the tune of a 100k for police OT from taxapayer Seca Funds. They have plenty of money. Last time I checked they had over a million in cash and securities. Why have they not helped Mr. Huber instead of hoarding their money that was donated for the purpose of helping the poor and needy and abused?

If PigFest ain't going to help, we need to cut off this 100k contribution that comes from Seca tax funds and give half of it to Mr. Huber as a one time assist to get him back on his feet and back in business. Since the City of Naperville wants him off the sidewalk that he is legally on as a protestor, they can make a deal to get him off the sidewalk for 50k. Both sides win. Otherwise the city can not legally remove him. And if they try we are looking for a Napergate Style battle that will cost Mr. Huber very little but will cost our city millions as the legal department refuses to handle any Civil Rights cases....they just automatically farm them out to expensive law firms and claim they have no experience and expertise. Is it a crime to try to develop some experience and expertise and save the taxpayers a few hard earned dollars?

And if we arrive at a negotiated settlement through the arbitration skills of CM BOB, the City of Naperville increases its chance to win the title of the "Best Place to Live in the United States" and overcome the insurmountable handicap of not having a "MOUNTAIN" as can be found on the outskirts of that town in Colorado that beat us for the title in 2006 and 2008. (We were second and third respectivley those years from memory.) Not sure they have a chance for the award of "Best Place to Raise Children" after the Naperville Sun reveals the number of deaths of teenagers from heroin which is expected soon according to Moderator Magee.

By GJC on August 31, 2009 2:43 PM
.................and awed at CIJ's belief that only he/she can write up an overview that will allow all this to come to an end, what would be necessary to bring this all to a conclusion after 8 long years?

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There is nothing to be awed about.

I am simply trying to avoid a Huber v. Naperville in which both parties end up being big losers. I believe CM Bob is trying to do the same thing. Yes, he is the only dissenter on the City Council of 9.

We just got done with Furstenau v Naperville. The bottom line it costs us close to $1.5 million. All we needed is to apologize and investigate the cop and reprimand him if he was wrong. Later when no apology came, we were sued for $130,000 that we could have settled for 33 cents to 50 cents on the dollar.

Instead of coming up with 40-60k, we wasted 1.5 million dollars of taxpayer money due to the aggregate egos of our City Council.

In the Napergate Case, the Napergate Man was simply looking for a second liquor license that would have brought us new tax revenue. Instead we decided wrongfully and unjustifiably that he did not deserve one and attempted to sting him while he was running a "sting operation." Does that makes any sense to anyone??? It ended up costing us 10 million in legal fees and it is undisputed we paid his 74,500 in legal fees by order of the 7th Court of Appeals, it is undisputed he got his second liquor license by order of the Illinois Apellate Court, and the only thing not known is what settlement took place behind closed doors for the injustice and injuries done to him. (What is so amazing in this case is that the Napergate Man had won the Kylix Award for the Most Responsible Drinking Campaign in the nation that was sponsorsed by the Newspaper Guild of America and the National Liquor Association in Las Vegas a year before his denial of a second liquor license.)

What was the City of Naperville thinking then? What are they thinking now?

Whistle Blower CM Bob already told the world that internal e-mails indicate they are going after Mr. Huber specifically. Bascially all the Council Members who claimed ulterior reasons for the ordinance lied after pledgeing their Allegiance to the US Flag, Government, and Nation. Thankfully, they did not raise their right hands before Mayor George "Charles" Pradel and swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. If they did, Mr. Huber could have had them all in prison for perjury. They are messing with the wrong guy. While he may not be in the league of the Napergate Man, his writings indicate he is intelligent and capable despite his admittedly massive paranoia. Honestly, I am more worried about our legal dept. fending for itself in this next potential legal battle than I am worried about penniless Mr. Huber who is living on "fumes."

Many on this blog site want anohter Fustenau or Napergate type battle or war. It seems like they enjoy drama and suspense. I am trying to make my real estate tax bills affordable. Speaking of real estate tax bills, they are DUE tomorrow. I will owe between 30-35k from memory for Sept 1 in addition to the like amount I paid for on June 1. And no, I do not live in a McMansion but own some rental property in town that helps with my kid's college tuition that would otherwise be UNAFFORDALE. I got 2 in and 2 more heading to the promised land of education one day hopefully.

If Huber v. Naperville goes to court, it will be costly no matter who wins. And I suspect Mr. Huber will win because he is a legitimate striker protesting 24/7 and not obstructing any sidewalks. The City of Naperville is obstructing sidewalks by allowing the Tangerine and Corner Bakery to occupy the sidewalks almost right up to the street. The City is bringing danger to our children by forcing them to walk at the extreme edge of the sidewalk and sometimes literally on the curb in order to make a few extra bucks from a Sidewalk License. I am all for sidewalk cafes but does the City of Naperville have to let them reach the curb, for Heaven's Sake.

How can the City of Naperville in its infinite wisdom claim that Mr. Huber is obstructing the sidewalk when he is 20 ft. from the curb. Unbelieveably ridiculous! How can they claim he is homeless when our Mayor who is our spokesperson and leader said he is NOT homeless. Our legal department is worthless. They can not even muzzle the City Council members during a short session.

I studied our legal department through the Napergate Ads. They did not learn a single thing. Usually when you lose and the payment comes out of taxpayers pockets and not theirs, you don't learn a single thing. This is the case with Margo Ely and Company.

If Margo Ely and Co. want to take on Scott M. Huber, they should do it pro bono for us taxpayers. We have another potential $11.5 million budget deficit facing us and a $61.4 million pension liability deficit that should increase this month when CM Bob hopefully provides the new numbers on this blog site. We have no money to give them or the outside legal firms they love hiring to do their work for them.

So it is time for Margo Ely and Co. to put up or shut up with their own money and time....not TAXPAYER MONEY.

End of Story!

No more Napergate, Furstenau or Huber v. Naperville. It is becoming like an old record that keeps spinning and squeaking. The song is over. The music ended. It is raining and the old lady stopped singing.

Dan on August 31, 2009 12:44 AM

Part A…General Response:

Yes, licking your wounds because you are not in good faith with the Truth!

“Son” you really think I am “wet behind the ears”! You apparently think I have never gone through NORMAL failures as you. The fact is the failures I have experienced especially since coming to Naperville a Donnelley demographics accolized community for business expansion have been clearly criminally motivated. To ignore the facts is to be psychotic. I deal with the reality I have experienced here. I fight cost effectively the interference I have experienced here through Protest at this time because the perpetrators have milked me out of my normal resources. The compassionate public have and are responding.

Everything you see at my Protest site is the result of Public donations and support. Not everybody thinks as you do. Psychotic players in this community object to my presence with preconceived notions of what this is all about so I try to crack through that psychosis to get through to a perhaps well meaning people that have been misled by a “Devil“!

At this point in time I have no other realistic way to achieve the effectiveness I have while out on this Protest site. When Unions strike the workers make a sacrifice in pay to do what they have to do and I am doing the same with the added incentive that I have attempted other routines and was not able to intercept the interference that put me out here in the first place.

That interception effort included going to Federal Court and presenting my case. Lack of stable funding preempted my efforts but at least I have been able to instigate Federal Investigation of my allegations and maybe FORMER Judge Kenneth Moys leaving office prematurely is an off shoot of my efforts.

Don’t accuse me of sitting in pity doing nothing sitting on a Protest site. The very fact that I am here and not sitting in a PADS day site being drugged by some psychiatrist as many PADS participants are using up scant TAX DOLLARS needlessly is testament that I am doing something Healthy about my circumstances because this is bigger than me or some alleged business failure. As President Lincoln did I take my case to the people because the System is not working and it has failed my inalienable rights miserably!

I have noted a mentality out here on the blogs that just don’t put it together and that was underscored by another respondent at Topix and I quote her…

kit Friday Aug 14
All you wannabee smartasses are demeaning the serious nature of this man,s struggle with your petty comments.
Start your own low I.Q. thread and reserve this site to serious discussion.”

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p25

You should be careful how you characterize my comments especially when you say “most of it babbles on incoherently” because that is untruthful and your only way out is to admit your psychotic behavior and get treatment. One pungent alternative for me would be to sue you for defamation!

Selah!


Part A…Direct Response:

>>“Scott, licking my wounds? You probably really believe this.”

Your psychosis is showing here! You just don’t put what I said to you prior together and resist its impact! Yes, you’re licking your wounds because you are not in good faith with the Truth! Your also showing some disrespect or additional psychosis because you know I am your senior and yet your address my by my first name!


>>“See this is the difference between you and me.”

Yes your psychosis is a difference between “you and me”. I am dealing with factual reality and as Edward M. Kennedy would advise, (and I am paraphrasing)…keep pushing no matter what the odds…saying that…in that pushing is the honor and quality of a person!


>>“I've owned various businesses for the past 15 years. Did I have setbacks? Sure I did. Did I think some things were unfair? Sure I did. I failed many times.”

I have been in business in various capacities for almost three times your experience and you have set yourself up to judge me and advise me…you open mouth and insert foot again and you have the audacity to do it!

All of us have failures in varying degrees but it is what we do about them that counts. You don’t just sit back and accept a failure and say such is life but rather investigate that failure or seeming failure and take action with the evidence as best you can!

My business has NOT failed however! It may be on the “back burner” because of sabotage but it has NOT failed! My “shingle” is still out on the web even though I cannot access it myself for updating because of a strange convergence of criminal interference, hackers, multi level security layers invoked and lack of reasonable and realistic help from Angelfire that is not normal!…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html


>>“One thing I did not do is conjure up an entity where I could lay the blame.”

I don’t conjure up an entity. I lay the blame where the blame belongs using the facts I have. I am not trying to be a “hero” and blow it off like it did not happen or take my lumps as a Despot decrees. I have only so much energy and life on this planet and I need to make the most of my opportunities and investments and lay the blame at the feet of the criminals. These efforts are not conjuring up anything!

It is a law of physics… for every action there is a reaction! The reaction in this case is to go after the causation, the perpetrating criminals no matter how high they go! If I don’t deal with the foundational issues of interference then I will be déjà vu on a treadmill going no where fast wasting my life’s energies for the rest of my life!


>>“So instead of getting up dusting yourself off, you through a pity party for yourself. “

You suggest I have not gotten up and dusted myself off! You couldn’t be further from the truth. Had I not gotten up and “dusted myself off” I would be in a mental institution drugged into incompetence as my perpetrators would like and tried at the Dupage County Jail back in November of 1998 and since!

If I had not stood up “dusting myself off” and fought back they would have had a field day devouring my humanity and its presence on this planet with fraudulent interpretations of fact that you similarly indulge in in this forum. I never would have succeeded to the publicity I have with the public and their support. Protesting is a form of getting back up and dusting myself off!


>>“I can tell how special you think you are, so it could never be your own fault, right Scott?”

I have a “little” more experience than you “Son” so that makes me a “little” better specialist than you. Your shot in support of narcissism is clearly not a valid issue and your Red Herring Hot Button suggestion that further supports your psychosis!

One gets the impression that you also have an inferiority complex that doesn’t respect someone senior to you and you can‘t stand that someone else might be on the right track and succeed! You can’t stand that can you! Instead you lead people to believe that it is their fault and causation! Nice con job Mr. “Omniscient“! It sounds to me like you are Red Herring it again to distract the public from the truth. My last comment session to you obviously has not sunk into your cranium or you are hiding something for which you don‘t want me and the public to get to the bottom and know about!


>>“Yes, I read most of your other rants and raves on the other sites. A few things worth reading, most of it babbles on incoherently.”

No rants and no raves intended just contextual responses to the stimuli out there. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

At least something is percolating into your consciousness and recognize some Truth!

Your “babbles on incoherently” is a clear evidence that you are a disrespectful person who clearly does not want to deal with the facts and wants to minimize important Truth!
Saying such kicks yourself in the butt making a fool of yourself!


>>“I see you actually used the statement "This is my ministry my ‘Son’" I could have predicted this would start to play out. You believe people will start to follow you because you have a gift.”

Now I know for sure you are jealous! Love expects us to use our talents or loose them. If you knew of a deal some business was giving on their product and got in on you would tell your friends about it. If you didn’t tell them I would say you would be a very selfish person trying to take all for yourself! It is a normal thing to share something that is good with others!

Again my past post has not sunk in with you when you say people will follow me. True Christians follow Christ as St. Paul follows Christ. 1 Corinthians chapter 1. They may appreciate that I related Truths to them but not to follow me but to join in following those Truths. My Gift is their Gift if they choose to accept it because I am not the giver Christ is! I am only an imparter of the Gift’s existence and availability just like a deal is advertised at and about at a store! If you don’t go to the store you cannot get the deal! If you don’t go to the giver you don’t get the Gift!

Specifically I am not sure what Gift you are talking about but be sure I want to put all my resources to work as humanly possible so I am effective in my circumstances.


>>“ also stated somehow I was jealous. That was funny. “

Nothing funny about it it is a factual observation. Your jealousy oozes out all over! Your hostility is typical of a jealous person!


>>“I state once again. My hope is Naperville finds the help you need.”

Naperville needs to find the “right stuff” to own up to its failure to evenhandedly protect its citizens from criminal vendettas and collusion with their own forces and contextually enforce the law!


>>“I am sure you are within your rights to be homeless and even to protest as you have called it.”

You know I am within my rights as Chief Dial has admitted I have broken no laws!
However, as I stated a number of times in this forum, Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the City Council admits that I AM NOT HOMELESS…

“Keep in mind I am a striker not a homeless person and that was underscored by Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the city council 8-18-09. Check out the video...

The VIDEO of the Tuesday 8-18-09 meeting with me addressing the Naperville City Council is here...Make sure to move the video button to approximately the last three quarters inch of the slide at approximately 3.50 in your Windows Media Player when it pops up and watch the N1 issues!…”

http://naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=72&r=21e6cbfbfe14dff38430a4ec893bd363&xp=y&intro=1&sn=naperville.granicus.com&sn=naperville.granicus.com

My protesting is obvious… but a selfish and self centered public and politicos only immerse themselves in their psychosis and pretend that I am an eye sore encampment stealing city property and using it permanently without paying taxes. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am no different than that Boeing strike in Washington state…

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

and note the amenities they have on the public way with them!


>>“Now all of us have to pity you tonight because the temperature may dip down to the lowest temperature ever recorded in August.”

Nah! Tonight will be kids stuff! You forget I am almost an eight year veteran of outdoors survival dealing with chill factors at as much or more than negative fifty 24/7!!!


>>“I am sure that's evil Naperville controlling the weather.”

Who knows…Satan is the prince of the power of the air! If Naperville follows evil then maybe they are. Mayor George Pradel knows about the Witches in Naperville! England in the 1500’s prosecuted in the English court Danish Witches that admitted to sending sea serpents to rock and pull down a Crown ship in the English Channel! The account is on their books!

Selah!

Scott M. Huber

5:44 PM CDT
8-31-09

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM

Is your understanding that he was offered to remove his stuff before the acution date, without makeing any payment at all? If this was the case, than Jackson showed a lot of mercy and compassion.

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"If I have a place to put the things in storage then I can come and clean out the unit completely in advance of the September 2nd date. Other than this option, without income, there is nothing that can be done to change the timetable." Huber, S.,(8-25-99) "THE EVICTION OR 'STORM TROOPERS & SS OR KGB'?" The Porcupine Quills, Retrieved August 31, 2009 from http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/urgent1.html

MHB wrote:

We just got done with Furstenau v Naperville. The bottom line it costs us close to $1.5 million. All we needed is to apologize and investigate the cop and reprimand him if he was wrong. Later when no apology came, we were sued for $130,000 that we could have settled for 33 cents to 50 cents on the dollar.

There was an investigation, and that's why no apology was forthcoming. Instead, Mr. Furstenau was charged with a crime. Maybe he should not have been charged with crime, or maybe he should have been charged with a different crime. Maybe he should just have been arrested on the spot, with the charges later being dropped. Whatever. But though he was found not guilty in court, the judge also described his altercation with Officer Hull as "embarrassing and inappropriate." It is DF who should have apologized to Officer Hull, who was just doing his job.

Ah, CIJ,
Not what I was talking about at all, of course, but a good recitation of nearly every theme you've developed in the last couple of months.
You'll note that the point I was making had nothing whatever to do with Napergate, Furstenau, taxes or anything else like that. The point that I was making, which you seem to have missed, is your regular desire for Huber to explain everything to you, somehow, so that you can package it neatly for those if us who can't read or understand it, and so that you can - somehow or other - take it to Zorn or the Tribune or... someone.
Isn't it possible for you to let this one go? Huber has written even more than you have, on the topic of his situation. I agree with you, none of us can really make head's or tails out of it, though you've managed to find a way to tie your own personal pet peeves to it, so that you can keep writing about them here, in another thread.
But please, for all our sakes, give it rest on at least one thread, would you?
I don't need you to explain the PorkyPineQuills to me, nor do I need you to interpret Huber's writings, I don't need anyone to show me how this connects to Napergate, Furstenau, or anything like that. You've given us your opinion on what you think can and should be done, you truly don't need to restate it another 70 times.
I do await Huber's suggestions about what can be done, by the city, the county or whomever, to make things right, so that he'd feel like he could resume life off his 'protest site'.
OK? OK.

Scott thanks again for your detailed response. I have to admit even though I thoroughly disagree with you on almost approach and belief. I really like you.

Maybe you should just forgive everyone and jump back into a forward moving life. I say this with all sincerity. Go to a doctor, get a physical and then settle into a home.

Protest on certain days and start building another career. You also need to give Naperville credit, they have built awesome downtown area. Maybe open a storefront blog center & tea room. Literally have a soapbox where others can stand and rail against whatever, whomever. This could be reticent to the original news papers that started out as one sheet coffee shop recaps in the days of Ben Franklin. You could name it "Porcupine Quills"

In the mean time I will keep railing against the fact you think you should live on the street.

Are we at Deja Vu? I thought we had an agreement!!!!!!!!!

Please remove these comments. Back to square one. If you don't remove your comments that divulge restricted information to the general public then you are no longer permitted to access the restricted areas and use the search engine in this way.

You can share it between you but not in a public forum...

"Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval."

Shame on you people!

Friends don't betray friends!!!!

I assert a spiritual note... Matthew 18:1-17

Scott M. Huber

8:30 PM CDT
8-31-09


Moderator...
Would you please remove the offending comments as follows in the same context as Kat's....

Anonymous on August 31, 2009 6:10 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM


Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”
8:57 PM CDT
8-31-09


Mr. Huber,

You did not address anyone specifically.

Are you addressing me or someone else or everyone?

Please be clear or it will be hard to respond to you.

CIJ

Mr. Huber,
You give the example of the Boeing strike in Washington state to equate to your protest living on the public sidewalk in Naperville, but you do not have an employer. You can't strike against an employer that never existed in the first place.

CIJ,
In one breath you say you want to save taxpayer money, yet you make up stories to try to justify a potential "multi-million dollar" lawsuit against the city on Huber's behalf, or you press for unjustified settlements on Huber's behalf. You repeatedly bring up the Furstenau case. Weren't you the one who continually encouraged Furstenau's "smoke" lawsuits based on the same Napergate similarities you now use to justify your fantasy Huber vs Naperville case? Didn't YOU learn something from that? If you don't want the city to spend taxpayer money to defend against a bogus lawsuit, why encourage it? I trust CM Bob will make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance for City Council to vote on.

I have found your posts on this blog are filled with false information, pure fabrication, or mere conjecture repeated over and over. Repetition doesn't make your assertions true. Just mixing a fact in here and there amonst misinformation or pure fiction, doesn't prove your points. It just discredits them.

Scott, I figured out why I like you! You have many similarities to one of my favorite fictional anti-hero's. Serge A. Storms.

I am thinking you now could have separate reading rooms in the new Porcupine Quill Blog Center. You could name one of the rooms Shrimp Wrap and the other Selah! Everything is taking shape. I know I will be vying for the honor of being the inaugural member with CIJ, but I am willing to try.

By GJC on August 31, 2009 7:35 PM
Ah, CIJ,

I don't need you to explain the PorkyPineQuills to me, nor do I need you to interpret Huber's writings, I don't need anyone to show me how this connects to Napergate, Furstenau, or anything like that. You've given us your opinion on what you think can and should be done, you truly don't need to restate it another 70 times.


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Listen Buddy,

The City Council is laying the foundation for Huber v. Naperville. They are feeling the pulse of the community. I am happy to not only restate 70 times but 700 times to prevent any further litigation that prevents a 3rd Civil Rights suit and larger real estate tax bills to homeowners. Do you not owe money tomorrow? How come you are not worried? Do you not live in Naperville or are you a tenant and the landlord pays the real estate tax bill and thus not feeling the pinch DIRECTLY?

Don't worry about me repeating myself. It is necessary. It is imperative until City Officals absorb MY RATIONAL MESSAGE!

Trust me I would much rather not have these city problems and be talking to Former WV Mom about my new 9 week old kitten. And of course you and people like you would complain about why I am discussing my kitten on an OPEN THREAD. You have to learn in life sometimes you can not have your cake and eat it. Live and let other live. Express yourself and let other express themselves. No one is forcing you to read any of my posts. Be my guest and skip over them if you think they are repititious and boring. I don't think they are and that every post has something new in it that relates to the past somehow. We learn by building on the past and not ignoring the past. How do you think Wilbur's tiny place became a Boeing 747 in 60 years...by ignoring past achievements and accomplishments in technology?!?!?

Worry about your city council who is conspiring to evict a legal and legitimate striker off the sidewalk while falsely claiming the new ordinance will not be directed against him specifically....lol...

Do you understand that we already have a WHISTLE BLOWER amongst the Council who is a City Council Member himself named Robert Fiesler who already indirectly reported that his colleagues are conspiring against Mr. Huber? Why am I the only one in Naperville besides Mr. Huber that can smell a conspiracy before it comes to fruition and it is too late to stop? Before it is too costly???

We have a rather dense City Council that does not realize they put their foot in mouth as Mr. Huber has so succintly indicated with his famous phrase time and time again about some bloggers on this site.

If I need to remind the City Council that Napergate cost us $10,000,0000 and Furstenau cost us $1,500,000 to make them think twice(70 times if you will) against proceeding with Huber v Naperville, I will do that. The only reason I am not invoking the Nicarico Case even though it cost as much as both of these cases combined and a little more is that it occurred in unincorporated Naperville and was handled(bungled is a better word) by the Dupage Police and Prosecutors. The former Naperville Police Chief Jim Teal and the Napergate Man worked jointly to stop the railroading of the Hispanic Men but unfortunatley no one listened until it was almost too late....until the men were on death...until the men were almost executed. If they would have listened to the former PC and NGM, taxpayers would have saved tens of millions. But Dupage was stubborn just like the City of Naperville is now.

If you have a different way of getting through to the City Council please show us your way....present it to us on this blog site. If you have a different way of gettng through to Margo Ely and Co. please show us the light....lead us through the dark tunnel.

I am trying to remind City Officials and Attorneys of how costly the past has been in hopes they don't continue with their same antics, semantics and tacitcs in representing us. In hopes they will smell the Java Beans and wake up just in time. In hopes that my next real estate tax bill due on June 1, 2010 will still be AFFORDABLE.

I love Naperville. I am not going to let the Establishment destroy this town with their nonsense.

What is your agenda, GJC? Do you even have one?


"'Coleman, there are three - and only three - kinds of people in this world: Those who don't know they are damaged and blame others; people who realize they are damaged and blame others; and then there are people like you and me, who wear damage like comfortable pajamas. ...
Serge A. Storms...Nuclear Jellyfish

By Southwest Naperville Taxpayer on August 31, 2009 9:45 PM

CIJ,
If you don't want the city to spend taxpayer money to defend against a bogus lawsuit, why encourage it?

Speaking of fabrication, where am I encouraging the City Council to pass a disriminatory ordinance against Huber that would bring on a potential Civil Rights Lawsuit. I am discouraging the City Council from making such a terrible move.

I trust CM Bob will make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance for City Council to vote on.

Apparently you don't watch the city council meetings but falsely accuse others of fabricating who simply report on what they see and hear at these Council Meetings. CM Bob was outvoted 8-1 in the last session. How can he make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance when he was against it fully? He was against this ordinace so why would he make sure staff write up this ordinace which he perceives as discriminatory and possibly conspiratorial due to the internal e-mail circulation which he blew his whistle on. Do you think he is Sadaam Hussein running a phony council that he controls...lol? Do you think he can hold Executive Session and execute the other 8 council members so he can have his way as Sadaam did repeatedly....lol again?


I have found your posts on this blog are filled with false information, pure fabrication, or mere conjecture repeated over and over.

If you find my posts filled with false information and pure fabrication, than be a man or woman and point out the falsehoods and fabrications rather than make unsubstantiated and unfounded allegations that have no merit or place on this blog site. You have just taken the first step down the slippery slope of personal attacks. Next you will attempt to personally attack me. This is how it starts. But the Moderator is watching this time so I doubt you will succeed. You remind me of a "lazy person" who is unwilling to do any research to rebutt what others say. Who in his right mind will believe you but another fabricated handle that you may invent to believe you? Don't underestimate the intelligence of REAL BLOGGERS.....they can see thru your antics, tactics, semantics and acrobatics as they are crystal clear.

Repetition doesn't make your assertions true. Just mixing a fact in here and there amonst misinformation or pure fiction, doesn't prove your points. It just discredits them.

Sorry buddy....there is no misinformation here. I quote facts from the Nicarico, Napergate and Fustenau court records. I will state an exact number such as $1,082,000 for outside legal fees provided by CM Bob for the DF Case and call it a FACT and provide an estimate for in-house expenses of $418,000 and call it an ESTIMATE. I think you need to review Webster's Dictionary for the difference between a FABRICATION and an ESTIMATE. The only person being discredited is you discrediting yourself.

I think part of the problem with you appears to that you are either unintelligent or uneducated.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Moderator Magee,

I hope we don't slip down a slippery slope again. As you can see a blogger is accusing me of fabricating with no evidence to back him up so I hope you feel it is proper or justified to call him unintelligent or uneducated. Just as you, I can easily see where this will lead. I urge you not to publish such comments unless they can point out the fabrications and falsehoods they claim I am allegedly providing.

When a city refuses to provide a certain cost, and I estimate that cost, I am not FABRICATING but ESTIMATING. As soon as CM Bob provided the cost, I have stuck to his number as he is credible and has an impeccable historical reputation. My estimates are attempted "digs" at City Officials to provide REAL NUMBERS.

Sooner or later if I repeat myself enough they will....especially if my estimate is a little on the high side which is something I lean towards doing deliberately. If I provide an estimate lower than the true cost, City Officials would not respond as it would not be to their benefit.

Sadly, for all I know, I may have been providing a low estimate of $10 million for the 10 year Napergate Trials and the true cost is much higher and the City is thrilled with my LOW ESTIMATE! Thus they will remain silent....at least for now. Some day a disgruntled City Employee or Official will provide the true number that the taxpayers deserve to know...have a right to know!

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 31, 2009 12:17 PM

I have requested the above participants in this blog to cease and desist from posting their comments that clearly violate the Terms of Use Contract that they are bound to when entering the restricted zones of my newspaper “The Porcupine Quills”.

I have asked the Moderator Chris Magee, CIJ and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM to remove the comments containing the offending releases of information.

So far none have complied thus having refused to remove the offending comments.

I ask the public to ignore the comments of Citizen Investigative Journalist and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM until they comply as they have willfully and wantonly offended me and my kind requests to remove offending comments that breach the contract of which they entered upon when they accessed restricted areas of my newspaper.

I thought I had struck an amicable and agreeable arrangement with the Moderator, CIJ and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM to comply with and respect my PQ terms of use but apparently they are playing games.

People who play games with extremely serious issues do not deserve to be taken seriously and should be removed from the forum as they defeat the true spirit of the forum.

I have made copies of all their communications for evidence of their offenses.

I will be contacting legal council as soon as possible to put some “English” of my Terms of Use Contract” that has been violated.


Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”
1:54 AM CDT
9-1-09


There is a very large difference between "estimating" and guessing.

Estimation requires some logic and thought process.

For example:

Saying: "X number of people, working Y number of hours at $Z per hour for a total of $10,000,000", would yield an estimated figure.

On the other hand, saying (or typing) "I think $10,000,000 sounds right", is guessing.

By CIJ Sept. 1, 12:42 AM

"When a city refuses to provide a certain cost, and I estimate that cost, I am not FABRICATING but ESTIMATING."

"Sooner or later if I repeat myself enough they will....especially if my estimate is a little on the high side which is something I lean towards doing deliberately. If I provide an estimate lower than the true cost, City Officials would not respond as it would not be to their benefit."

Incredibly, these 2 sentences are in the same post. I believe you have proven the point Southwest Naperville Taxpayer was asserting. You cannot have it both ways, either you stick to the known facts OR your allegations will not be believed.

CIJ says: Worry about your city council who is conspiring to evict a legal and legitimate striker off the sidewalk while falsely claiming the new ordinance will not be directed against him specifically....lol. - among other things.

There are a number of problem attached to the things CIJ keeps repeating, but let's stick with this one, for the moment. It seems to me that the city is trying to come up with a proposal to resolve an ongoing situation, one that a goodly number of city residents seems to support.
---Conspiring to evict is a poor choice of words, there is no conspiracy, this is being talked about in public, and I think it's been pretty convincingly argued that you can't evict someone who has no legal residence.
---a legal and legitimate striker based on what information we have? I know that you've also read the PorkyPineQuills, as I have attempted to do. Your constant questions indicate that you don't know what Huber is striking against, either. It does seem to me that if you want to strike against some entity - or to use Huber's seemingly preferred phrase - occupy a protest site - I think it's important for people to understand what is being protested, or who the strike is directed against, and why? As for legal and legitimate, where do you get that combination of words? I don't understand who or what is being protested, and don't think that anyone else does, so how can it be legal OR legitimate?
--- - I didn't see where this was stated implicitly, though I suppose it's possible that the council may have said so. Early in this blog people did repeat the idea that a law or ordinance cannot be written about one person. That's patently false, of course, though in general terms it is better not to do so. If they chose, the council could write a new ordinance that is specifically targeted toward Huber, though I think that they will be smarter than that. How easy would it be to write an ordinance that would indicate that spending the night on a downtown street is unlawful? That's only one possible solution to the situation, and could easily be explained as covering potential future problems as well as resolving a long standing situation. Many, many other cities have such ordinances, you know.
The heart of you argument is nearly always that this will cost us a huge amount of money. It is surely possible that the city will do something that will cause a legal challenge, but that doesn't always mean that it will be an expensive one, nor does it mean that the city will lose.
How about exercising your right to let the council know what you're thinking, while waiting to make a final decision on the situation until you know what the Council intends to do, and how they intend to accomplish it? That's not so much to ask, is it? You're railing against an ordinance that we've not even seen yet and that hasn't been voted on.
CIJ, you have the right to say anything here that the moderator will approve, I don't deny it, and actually support it. But your arguments are often odd, and full of fear-mongering, as well as presenting things as facts when they're just not. See the above mentioned "legal and legitimate"

As for Huber, I still hope to hear what it is he is actually seeking from the city. It does seem to me that there is no possible resolution in this until that is known, though it is possible that he has shared this information with the council over the years, and does not wish to publicly share it. If that's the case, I'd hope he would say so.
If there is no clear cut list of 'demands', like every other strike/protest situation, then just perhaps it's not actually a strike/protest?

gjc

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 31, 2009 9:05 PM
Moderator...
Would you please remove the offending comments as follows in the same context as Kat's....
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Mr. Huber

You have to understand what you've started so many years ago. You have accused a long standing Naperville institution of wrongfully taking your belongings. You have further accused the police of not protecting your rights concerning those belongings. The question is whether or not what you say is true. You invite the public to read your account of what happened in hopes that they will take up your cause. In fact, many people posting on this thread have taken up your cause. They say they like to root for the underdog. They say they believe you when you say your belongings were wrongfully taken. They ask why the company could not show you compassion when you were down on your luck.

The problem is that you own writings show that you are mistaken. The long standing Naperville institution offered to allow you to remove your belongings from their establishment and waive their lien. You did so but put your belongings back in another unit leased by someone else. You were not in privity of contract with the storage company on that unit. When the other party failed to pay the rent on the unit, your belongings were subject to the company's statutory lien. If you didn't get notice, it's because you weren't entitled to notice. It wasn't your unit. Further, from your own account of what happened, you knew that the other unit was also behind in the rent. You say that you put the belongings in another unit under the "cover" of another person. You were, in effect, trying to take advantage of the company by using a shill. Well, your subterfuge wound up working to your disadvantage.

Don't complain when someone uses your own contemporaneous account of what occurred to expose the folly of your accusations.

JQP –

In your last post, you forgot to state that DF’s lawsuit was slowly getting dismissed piece by piece. He overreached because he was seeking the deep pockets of the city coffers he claims to protect.

What some people (I’m not counting you among them) fail to see is that you have to practice what you preach. Is there anyone among us who doesn’t teach their children to stand up for what’s right even if it costs you friends, fame, or fortune? I tell my kids they have to do what’s right no matter the cost, so how can I then justify paying off people like DF or Huber simply out of fear of a frivolous lawsuit? And if the city starts to pay off people like DF and Huber, aren’t we just setting ourselves up for future threats or extortion attempts?

Just wondering.

T.B.

Just because a city might face a cost due to legal challenges doesn't mean they should not be undertaken. That's society and what makes it best. I think Naperville will be able to enact some laws that will make it illegal to camp on a public sidewalk. This is not a singular act against Scott Huber, but one of making sure there is clear legal precedent set to make sure people cannot squat on public property.

Here are some examples of the ACLU filing suits against other municipalities for the homeless.
http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/13454prs20030513.html.

http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/37157prs20081013.html
In every case they seem to challenge the notice given and the personal property that may have been destroyed, but otherwise the laws are sound when there is alternative shelter available.

And please don't start with the protest bit, that argument has been smashed down by the facts. Mr. Huber was homeless the first night he moved away from the YMCA and still is homeless today. The facts are clear he is camping on a public way whether homeless, protesting or panhandling. If he would go home and night, and return to protest you might have some credibility.


Southwest Naperville Taxpayer on August 31, 2009 9:45 PM

First Amendment rights to strike / protest do not require that I have an employer! The government has a contract with the people to equally protect them under the law...NOT to unlawfully discriminate with the law!

I strike against an establishment that is exceeding its lawful right to discriminate!

I am not a per se union either! Does that mean that I don't have the right to strike / protest with equal leverage and conveniences? No!

It is clear that my strike is against a city government that is steered by a minority of well set businesses and clientele that are clearly unlawfully discriminatory. They have in fact aided and abetted the gradual destruction of my business by criminals. I am a businessman here too but my rights and accomplishments don't count!

They and the media label me "homeless" because I choose to save some bucks and job stress and distraction by using shelters so I can focus on civil rights issues that are time critical and foundational for my future success! They conclude that because I relatively consistently work my picket / protest site 24/7 that I live there! Because I am the only protester they say I am living there but if there were at least one other and we alternated then it would be ok right? So they imply that it is unlawful to be one protester with a durable not permanent presence that leverages the establishment to listen and properly respond? You see here they discriminate based on perceived socioeconomic status and in fact discriminate on other unlawful grounds including freedom of Religion!

The food tent at the Boeing strike no doubt was there through the duration of the strike! Does that presence make it permanent? No! No pilons went down into the earth or concrete foundations poured etceteras et al.!

My presence the last almost eight years is because the government has been recalcitrant or psychotic in dealing with the criminal elements in the community that networked and completely cleaned me out of my life's work, savings, livelihood and was working subtlety edging in to deny me of my last vestiges of my Civil Rights to be an autonomous individual, politico, businessman and Christian.

The City view is extremely subjective and unbalanced in favor of a minority of the public that don't care about Civil Rights unless it fills their pockets and plumply feathers their beds where I have to go with zilch!

Something is wrong in this community and I think if Naperville lost to Lakewood, Colorado it is hopefully probably because Mony/CNN has high balanced standards that take into consideration more than aesthetics and saw the prejudice and chicanery manipulating the law in a selfish way that subordinated Naperville to Lakewood NOT because I have had a long term protest site that is subjectively considered an eye sore by short sighted bigotry that could care less about equal rights under the law unless it is their rights who ignore the beauty of Freedom of Speech being practiced in a VISIBLE way which is a precious freedom, a part of Americana and the American Dream which actually makes Naperville a very desirable place to live the American Life!

The protest has lasted as long as it has because the governors of this community refused to even come to visit me and get the lowdown from the "horse's mouth" because they felt it beneath their dignity to help what they labeled, until the council meeting on 8-18-09!, a homeless man! For the first time a week ago a councilman came to visit me to get the low down! You know who it was!

The irony is that criminal control groups intertwined in this "exemplary city" and its government networked to get me out of this city because I didn't "fall in line" especially in their "spiritual" definition of Christian, Character and Family! They ignored my accomplishments, presence and worth squatting on me conjuring up fallacious characterizations of my life style and some probably because they were ordered to and some probably because they were just plain jealous!

Here is where the real investigation should start...who ordered the Hit on my credibility and worth? Look at the information I have provided and note the intense convergence of interference and government that just was not following lawful policy in my particular circumstances.

Chief David Dial knows more than he is talking about and that needs to be investigated along with Joe Birkett's handling of equal protection under the law in my case and in the legal issues of which I have sought law enforcement's help or been attacked by!

When one works through the system, the courts and other agencies and gets blown off, basic rights denied, rules circumvented and one's normal functional life disintegrated what other way can one go than go to the people in a strike so to get cost effective outside political and law enforcement scrutiny?

I strike against the establishment that is guilty of a double standard which clearly does not follow the rules that I am held to and prevents me from living a normal and accomplishing life style that they take for granted!

In one sense the government is my employer that I work for to produce a positive GDP/GNP and my benefits much less income are being crippled or outright denied me preventing my normal acceptance and assimilation in and into the community!!!

Scott M. Huber
2:49 PM CDT
9-1-09


Scott Huber -
In every strike I have ever heard of, those striking were clear about what they wanted to end the strike.

WHAT IS IT YOU SEEK?

Well folks, stand by as it looks like we have some more sloppy thinkers and evaluators of fact and Terms of Use Contract violators,(I will have to add to my list of potential Defendants in a computer data fraud case), that need to be taken down a few notches!

I'll be responding further so keep tuned in here periodically. I am fascinated by the "Omniscient" we have out on these forums!!!

Scott M. Huber
4:57 PM CDT
9-1-09

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 9:09 PM
"Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM" AND
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on September 1, 2009 7:45 AM

CIJ, Now you are assuming your Guard House Lawyer mode I see. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM ADDRESSING..... YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLICES BETRAYED ME!

Since you hide behind the act of having a low IQ on this issue it will not save you as "everybody" knows you are smarter than that!

Since YOU don't seem to understand I will spell it out for you!...

You know YOU AND "Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM" knows that you agreed to my Contract at PQ. When you entered PQ's RESTRICTED LINKS you agreed to the Contract by participation. You know the terms of use and you disobeyed those terms flagrantly by posting data that is specifically prohibited from public forums or public release. The terms specifically state:

"Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval."

Why do you flaunt me and PQ? Why do you deliberately violate my umbrella of authority.

Your credibility went to zero when you pulled this stunt! When will you come clean. You expect people to believe your "investigative" journalism when you con, lie and cheat the very people YOU SAY you are helping?

You need to get an overhaul CIJ.

As I said before, you have made some good points but you are throwing that away now because of your dishonesty!

You, (plural), can talk to each other in your email about my restricted information but NOT in the public forum.

Both of you, Please remove your comments posted in this public forum with the violative material, rewrite it without the violative material and include the link to the Contract above your listing of the link you posted.

In fact, you can just post my contract link and it will take the reader who agrees to the contract to the page you posted.

I underscore anyone can look and read the front page you posted but they have to comply with the Contract to read the RESTRICTED UPDATE LINKS!!!

Now I have made a very reasonable request! If you respect that request it will go a long way. If you don't respect that request and Contract you are NOT helping anyone but yourself as a thief!

I lay on you this "point of order" and remind you, (plural), and the Naperville Sun that Matthew 18:1-17 is not there for Decoration...if you hurt any of HIS "LITTLE ONES" you put worse than a millstone around your neck thrown into the sea! YOU ARE HURTING THIS "LITTLE ONE"!Don't test it! Don't do that to yourselves! Comply!

Capisci AKA Capisce???

Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”

5:12 PM CDT
9-1-09

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

Now that the media has smeared me and characterized me as a "HOMELESS PERSON" and Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the Naperville City Council has acknowledged that I am NOT a "Homeless Person" do you think I should sue the media for defamation???...

Maybe even make an offer that I will assume ownership of their institutions of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and let them off the hook in lieu of the court expenses and litigation etceteras et al. that could accrue?

Scott M. Huber
5:35 PM CDT
9-1-09

Scott writes "lay on you this "point of order" and remind you, (plural), and the Naperville Sun that Matthew 18:1-17 is not there for Decoration...if you hurt any of HIS "LITTLE ONES" you put worse than a millstone around your neck thrown into the sea! YOU ARE HURTING THIS "LITTLE ONE"!Don't test it! Don't do that to yourselves! Comply!"


Who judged you to be the so called Little One? I thought you were the all powerful protester!

You can't stand the fact you can't control this blog can you?

You throw out your idol neutered threats. CIJ has a very good heart, yet as you have consistently through-out your life alienated yet another soul. When will you take a look inwardly? When is it Scott's problem and not all of ours?

I am pretty sure that will never occur.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 3:07 PM

First Amendment rights to strike / protest do not require that I have an employer! The government has a contract with the people to equally protect them under the law...NOT to unlawfully discriminate with the law!

I strike against an establishment that is exceeding its lawful right to discriminate!

========================================================================================================================================

If one does take time to read SMH's last post without a preconceived notion of prejudice, it really makes a lot of sense.

His protest is against the ESTABLISHMENT in all its forms for discriminating against him. Mostly, he is against the Judicial System of both Dupage County and the Federal Govt. which he alleges discriminate against him and did not give him a fair shake when he tried to vet his grievances there in a legal and lawful manner. He may have not had the best of cases....but they never gave him a fair shake based on what I can piece together. They discounted him and screwed him by not hearing him out. This is very common in our judcial system.

The bottom line is the MAN is RIGHT. Both Judicial Systems are corrupt and discriminate in favor of the connected and wealthy against those who are not connected and not wealthy.

I have tried to work the system without attorneys and got blown out of courtroom after courtroom. I have tried to work the system with UNconnected attorneys and got blown out of courtroom after courtroom.

However, when I hired connected establishment expensive attorneys especially in Dupage County, I somehow always won.....rather easily. They usually know the Judges and golf with them. They donate to the Judges at election time. They dine with the Judges and pick up the tab if no one is looking and it is NOT in Wheaton where they are known very well. They let the Judges use their vacation homes in Florida.

My connected attorneys told me so. My last CONNECTED attorney asked for changes of venue until he got his buddy judge. I think he was entitled to one and then when he did not get the Judge he wanted, he got continuances until the Judge assigned was ill and his Judge filled in. You could almost see the winks and nods taking place. My attorney told me he won before the Judge even made his/her ruling. I will never forget the smirk on my attorneys face. He had no GUILT.

So yes the system in Dupage is corrupt. I have been there over 25 times. If I pay up, I win. If I don't pay up I lose. Who is trying to kid who?

I learned the hard way as 25-30 years ago, I refused to pay up. Enjoyed representing myself. While not a lawyer, I took enough Business Law in graduate school to do what Mr. Huber has done and is doing. I never made it even to 1st BASE.

Then I tried UNconnected inexpensive attorneys from outside the county and they lost almost every case.

Then I tried CONNECTED EXPENSIVE ESTABLISHMENT attorneys from inside the county and they won almost every case.

Those are the facts my friends. Mr. Huber knows what he is talking about. He has experienced the system extensively as I have.

The only real problem with Mr. Huber is he is very paranoid and that takes away his credibility. After he asked me to stop visiting his Porcupine Quills, I did. But he still accues me of violating his "shrimp wrap" rules.

Some of the recent information I published was obtained directly from his mouth during a personal visit. He did not say I could not publish what he told me. He was a very nice, polite and a gentleman and I gave him a donation that was a certain US Currency Bill larger than $10 dollars. (Of course, I did not identify myself to him and many many people believe in him and give him donations)

I would suggest Mr. Huber stop attacking those who truly support him. I know he has paranoia as it is OBVIOUS, but he says it is a healthy paranoia just like a police officer. Most police officers can control their healthy paranoia and I expect Mr. Huber to also control his healthy paranoia in the future especially if he wishes to garner the support of the bloggers on this site.


By GJC on September 1, 2009 4:26 PM

I will be brief and give you what I have given the public in general:

1) I want the Naperville Police / States Attorney / Feds to pursue proper and detailed investigations into the conduct of Herald King et al..

2) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate properly and in detail the conducts of Rent-A-Space of Fox Valley.

3) I want appropriate prosecutions and remunerations made for the violations of the laws.

4) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate and prosecute the police officers who illegally confiscated my property while out on the Protest site et al.

5) I want the return of custody of any properties that NPD has taken and storage provided free of charge.

6) I want the City along with the criminals to restore me to the efficiencies that I had with my business .

7) I want the City and the criminals to restore to the status of a normal citizen life style in Naperville.

8) I want the City and criminals to compensate for the lost wages, intentional infliction of mental and emotional distress, fatigue et al. that has taken its toll on my efficiencies over the course of these ten years.

9) I want proper investigation by of Dupage County Corruption in the Court , States Attorney, Public Defender Office and Sheriff’s department et al. by a Special Prosecutor and the Feds.

10) I want the return of my property illegally sold / converted, disseminated or destroyed via dumpster etceteras.

11) To be announced! et al.

How is that for starters!

Scott M. Huber
6:43 PM CDT
9-1-09

Scott great idea, you should sue the media for defamation.

Court Transcripts:

Q. Do you solemnly swear....

A. I do

Q. Please state your name:

A. Scott Huber AKA The Protester

Q. State your address:

A. Ah...well your honor I...

Judge. DISMISSED. Next Case


Mr. Huber:

You said: "2) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate properly and in detail the conducts of Rent-A-Space of Fox Valley."

We don't have to do that any more because your own journal entries show they did nothing wrong. They were most fair with you and you tried to scam them. They let you take your stuff out of your rental unit and waived their lien. You repaid them by putting your stuff back in another of their rental units under the "cover" of another person. Neither you nor the other person paid the rental on that unit. You weren't entitled to notice because you weren't the "cover" person. Plus you knew that the rent hadn't been paid on that unit. It would appear that you had a falling out with your "cover" person who probably would no longer cooperate with you.

Move on. The storage unit treated you fairly and compassionately and all you do is trash them publically.

Dan on September 1, 2009 7:22 PM

You almost got it right... But one would call it the Dupe Age Shuffle!

It should read:

Court Transcripts:

Q. Do you solemnly AVER....(I don't swear...it is a Christian thing of protocol)

A. I do

Q. Please state your name:

A. Scott Huber AKA The Protester

Q. State your address:

A. Ah...well your honor I...Have a folder of several valid addresses which one would you like?

Judge. DISMISSED. Next Case

Scott M. Huber
9:35 PM CDT
9-1-09

GJC, Dan, and Anon (08/27 @ 9:57 AM) –

You do realize that you can “discuss” this issue with Huber all day and he will never be happy, right?

I could come up with a similar list of demands and protest until I die of old age with similar result to Huber--none.

I’d like an uncorrupt State government, starting with the Governor and the legislature.
I’d like to see everyone treated fairly by businesses in Naperville and elsewhere.
I’d like a police state in which the cops are omnipotent and can stop all crime as it occurs. I don’t feel any need to follow any court decisions, they’re all corrupt and against me anyways.

T.B.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 5:27 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 9:09 PM

CIJ, Now you are assuming your Guard House Lawyer mode I see. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM ADDRESSING..... YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLICES BETRAYED ME!

No one betrayed you. Your paranoia betrayed you.

Since you hide behind the act of having a low IQ on this issue it will not save you as "everybody" knows you are smarter than that!Since YOU don't seem to understand I will spell it out for you!...


I don't hide behind a low IQ. I bring my best to this forum and the Moderator has indicated I am obviously intelligent. And, yes I am smarter than that and thanks for acknowledging that.

You know.... that you agreed to my Contract at PQ. When you entered PQ's RESTRICTED LINKS you agreed to the Contract by participation. You know the terms of use and you disobeyed those terms flagrantly by posting data that is specifically prohibited from public forums or public release. The terms specifically state:.....

I entered your site once and read for a few hours. I went there through a link a fellow blogger provided. I did not see any restrictions anywhere. The possiblility exists that a "shrimp contract clause" existed somehwhere and I missed it. Why would I even look for one since I have never heard of such a RESTRICTION on the internet except possibly related to software you download. Just to appease you, I apologized and asked the Moderator to delete my relevant posts. I believe he did so also to appease you and stop your whining which was becoming deafening.

For you to continue to harp on this issue indicates to me you are a parnanoid schizophrenic who may even have hallucinations. Please control yourself voluntarily which I believe you are capable of doing and if you can not please seek medicial or psychiatric help immediately.


Why do you flaunt me and PQ? Why do you deliberately violate my umbrella of authority.

I don't flaunt you. I care about you and visited you on several occassions the last 8 years. I never flaunted your Porqupine Quills. I don't even wish to go there ever again and will not. Your umbrella of authority is a figment of your imagination. I tried to help you and you attacked me for trying to help you. For siding with you against the majority of the bloggers.

Your credibility went to zero when you pulled this stunt! When will you come clean. You expect people to believe your "investigative" journalism when you con, lie and cheat the very people YOU SAY you are helping?

I am a Citizen Investigative Journalist who seeks the truth. I started by siding with you and now my investigation leads me to believe you have mental health issues that has caused you to distort the truth and realities of your case, your cause and your hopeless situation. I attempted to pull no stunt. My credibility is not zero. It remains intact. Though I once supported you fully and refused to believe you were a paranoid schizophrenic psychic and mentally disturbed human being. I have finally come clean and agree with the majority in this case despite the fact I believe the judicial system is corrupt and possibly did not give you a fair shake. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky it did not give you a fair shake for the consequences could have been much worse. How could you say I conned, lied, and cheated the very people I SAY I am helping? When you said you are on "fumes" I sent you a substantial donation with a friend or delivered it personally to help you out. I am washing a comforter for you to keep you warm in the winter. Is this is what I get for being kind hearted as Dan said and trying to help you? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that most bloggers refused to give you and now you are trying to make a FOOL of me. You will not succeed.

You need to get an overhaul CIJ.

Who are you trying to kid about who needs an overhaul. You need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL from toe to head with a focus on the cerebral.

As I said before, you have made some good points but you are throwing that away now because of your dishonesty!

Where is my dishonesty? I presented your side based on what you wrote, told me in person and told my friend who I also sent to give you a donation. To accuse those who are on your side of DISHONESTY indicates you have a very serious mental condition as Dan has stated. I now believe that CM Bob will fail in any arbitration beween you and the City of Naperville. I apologize to the Napergate Man for ever putting his name near your name in any post and in any way trying to compare him to you or Fustenau.

Now I have made a very reasonable request! If you respect that request it will go a long way. If you don't respect that request and Contract you are NOT helping anyone but yourself as a thief!

I respected your request. It did not go a long way. I apologized to you. It did not go a long way. And now you imply I am a THIEF. Holy Toledo! Holy Mackeral!


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Anyway, you just lost your MAIN and ONLY fully devogted supporter. I was trying to help you by giving you money, support and coming to your defense. Now, I want you to hit rock bottom the next time you are on "fumes" and be taken in an ambulance to an instituion that can help you. I will ask the City of Naperville to please waive the $800 dollar amubulance fee as an act of generosity to an ill person who needs us all to rally behind him and help him get the proper treatment he needs.

My God Bless You and Help You, Mr. Scott M. Huber.

I tried to help you. One time in person you accused me of being in the CIA after I just gave you a donation to help you since you were on "fumes." I discounted it. I should not have.
I wish you nothing but the best of luck. I have no ill feelings or hatred towards you. I only want the best for you and see you return to a healthy state of mind, body and soul.

End of Story!

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 5:37 PM
Mr Huber said, in SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

Now that the media has smeared me and characterized me as a "HOMELESS PERSON" and Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the Naperville City Council has acknowledged that I am NOT a "Homeless Person" do you think I should sue the media for defamation???...

Maybe even make an offer that I will assume ownership of their institutions of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and let them off the hook in lieu of the court expenses and litigation etceteras et al. that could accrue?

Scott M. Huber
5:35 PM CDT
9-1-09
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I have read a lot of the comments on this blog and others by Mr. Huber and by others who have attempted to get to the bottom of his situation. I believe Mr Huber just likes to hear himself talk and is entertained by the audience he has received in Naperville. I believe the comment above speaks volumes. It appears he's just out for an easy ride.

Scott,

If you are not a Homeless Person, where is your home AKA physical structure on a recognized lot of private property land registered at the county tax collector's office for which property taxes are paid each year?

Please, set the record straight on what the exact physical address is of your 'home' and the lot number so we can look up the tax information on it. The second half of which was due Sep 1, by the way.

You do have a spot that you have been squatting with belongings, yes... but so does someone who lives under an over-pass... they are still, by definition, a 'homeless person'.

How do you differ?

Congratulations CIJ on joining the ranks of those not wishing to persecute Scott Huber, rather to hope that he receive the help he so CLEARLY needs to prevent the waste of what will probably a life cut short by his own doing.

It took you longer to come to the logical conclusion, probably because of your innate loathe for all things related to the administration of this city. Maybe if you did not carry a natural bias, you would have seen the obvious sooner, but I thank you for the work you attempted do on his behalf and for the information you provided on his cause. I am fairly certain that just as he chomped down on you, he has most likely bit the hand that fed him in the past(or at least attempted to help him).

We all know that God helps those who help themselves. The problem is, a mentally ill person can have a twisted way of thinking they are helping themselves. Now my question is, do you still think he has a right to occupy the space and would you support another 10-20 Scotts living on the sidewalks of the City? Do you think we should legislate against that possibility?

T.B. said: I could come up with a similar list of demands and protest until I die of old age with similar result to Huber--none.

I understand, and agree. I really thought that Huber would not come up with a list like this, but since he did, it's clear that it's a completely impossible list, on many different levels.
I now have a much better understanding of the issues the city has dealt with over the years, and see why they've decided that the time has come to actively find a way to do something about this situation. While it's a shame that it's taken them this long o do something about it, given the age and physical health issues of Huber, I'm syre that at least some part of what they're doing is looking out for his health as we head into another winter.
A terrible situation, and one that has gone on for too long, but the time has come, and something must be done.

Original Joe,

When you speak at the City Council meeting you are required to give your name and addrees. Mr. Huber gave his address as 75 E. Chicago address which is the address of the garage behind him to the best of my knowledge.

The bottom line is Mr. Huber is a HOMELESS STRIKER agaianst the ESTABLISHMENT.

As you said in an earlier post he has a right to protest. Let him protest 24/7 until he drops dead. Why should we stop him? Just to beat Ft. Collins, Colorada for the Best Place to Live in America.

Let us face it, even if we found a way to legally move him, we still don't have a MOUNTAIN which according to Mayor Pradel is the real reason behind our second place status.

If Mayor Pradel is right that Mr. Huber is not HOMELESS he is also probably right that we came in second place because we did not have a MOUNTAIN and not because Mr. Huber's encampment is an EYESORE to the CNN/ MONY committee who ranks towns in the USA. So why are we so worried. Until we get the MOUNTAIN we have no chance to be #1, so let Mr. Huber stay as long as he wants.

When Michigan State came in second place in this years National Championship game I was upset as h@ll. I am over it now and realize second place is not that bad. We should get over Mr. Huber and also realize second place for Naperville ain't the end of the world and ain't really that bad. It is not like we are in last place because of Mr. Huber. Nothing wrong with being second best in the nation. Let us just hope and pray CNN/Mony don't catch on to the rampant heroin problem infecting and killing many of our teenagers. We would be lucky to make TOP 100 if they ever found out. Shssshhh.....

Scott you shrink wrapped CIJ's heart. Nice going. CIJ you should try living with someone like Scott, it takes the patience and understanding of a saint. You are a very good person I hope this doesn't effect your kind ways.

Mr.Scott Huber, after countless blog entries, TV and Radio interviews you have a choice of two conclusions.

1. Admit you are a fraud and much of your past dealings were hyped to get attention.
2. You have a condition that limits your participation in the normal fabric of society.

In my omniscient way I will choose the latter.

Big Days coming October 5th through the 11th.
Mental Illness Awareness Week
National Alliance on Mental Illness
info@nami.org
www.nami.org

Let's celebrate this week and get the help you need and turn this into yet another heartwarming Naperville story.

I hope everyone is now convinced the Naperville City Council can no longer ignore Mr. Huber. If he was outwardly injured and on the street we would not think twice. We cannot readily see his injuries so we have to act, and act quickly for the cruelness of winter approaches.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 1, 2009 11:06 PM

I don't hide behind a low IQ. I bring my best to this forum and the Moderator has indicated I am obviously intelligent.

.....For you to continue to harp on this issue indicates to me you are a parnanoid schizophrenic who may even have hallucinations.

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Just in case Mr. Huber is not aware, the moderator did indicate (partially) that CIJ is intelligent. In fact the exact reference is listed below.

As for the claim that Mr. Huber suffers from schizophrenia? I find this extremely personal in nature, CIJ, and some might even call it an attack! Something we are trying to avoid on this blog.

Mr. Huber: Your plight has been interesting to follow. I do have a question regarding your level of expected privacy while protesting. If you were to leave your protest site (say to use the washroom), and someone entered your "camp" to look around (not steal), would they be breaking any laws? (It certainly wouldn't be trespassing as this is a public walkway).


Chris Magee, moderator on August 16, 2009 11:18 AM
Sigh. Since you insist on quoting things I said months ago out of context continually, you have forced me to explain myself again so no one gets the wrong idea. When I said you were intelligent, the phrase was something like, "you are obviously intelligent, so I don't know why you act this way and keep antagonizing other bloggers." It was not exactly a glowing endorsement. When I said people were acting like kindergartners, you were definitely included, though not the only person I was referring to. Hey, if you all have nothing better to do than call each other mental patients and Barbie dolls, knock yourselves out, but to me it seems like a waste of time and it's not making anyone look especially mature.

Scott if you want justice stop your dam bickering already and pack up your tent and get a proper place to live! If you want the justice that you are speaking of, go to the F.B.I. and tell them your side of your pathetic story so they can investigate!

CIJ,

The parking garage is just like the overpass I mentioned. While he and his belongings are there, that is not his 'home'. He has no title to ownership of it and no signed lease for it and pays no rent. He has been 'living' there for the past 8 years but by legal definition, he is 'homeless' because he has no other place.

By Anonymous ONE on September 2, 2009 9:53 AM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 1, 2009 11:06 PM


As for the claim that Mr. Huber suffers from schizophrenia? I find this extremely personal in nature, CIJ, and some might even call it an attack! Something we are trying to avoid on this blog.


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I am not personally attacking Scott. I have given him donations in the past and one as recent as last week. I am washing a comforter for him that we don't need and will have someone else deliver to him. I feel for the man. I never really understood his plight. I even tried to defend him on this blog site. I was taking his side and giving him every benefit of every doubt. In return he attacked me relentlessly, unprovoked and personally calling me every name in the book. In person, he accused me of being a CIA agent because I gave him a donation of a US Currency Bill exceeding 10 dollars. I guess it made him suspicious, maybe paranoid, that someone would give him a decent size donation and expect nothing in return.

At this point, I simply agree with Dan that he has a mental illness of sorts and needs help. That is not a personal attack. I felt it was necessary to speak my mind in case he was in denial which apparently he is. It should be obvious from my almost prior unfettered support for him that I am not PERSONALLY ATTACKING HIM but CARING FOR HIS UNFORTUNATE PLIGHT.

I hope someone can find a way to help him. I do have a friend that I met almost 30 years ago that gradually became a paranoid shcizophenric. I worked out with him last night at a health club till 4am in the morning and he has progressed to a stage much worse than Mr. Huber. His state has gotten progressively worse each year. He claims his Mom robbed him of his inheritance even though she is still alive. He wants States Attorney Joe Birkett to jail his Mom immediately and he even called Attorney General Lisa Madigan to see what she can do about jailing Birkett. He is very upset that Birkett gave his Mom an Order of Protection against him. His whole family dumped him. He has been homeless on and off. He has lived in his car and once lived in Lifetime Fitness in Burr Ridge for several months before staff realized he was sleeping in a very inconspicuous spot after they closed at 1am as is required by Burr Ridge ordinance. Very sneaky and brilliant in some ways as Mr. Huber. Imagine he could shower there, work out there and watch TV in their lounges all day long for $59.95 per month. They even provide courtesy phones in which you can make local phones calls for free. The few times he did not make it "HOME" by 1am he slept in his beater.

Even though he owns a beater the only car he would consider purhasing is a 2010 Rolls Royce Phantom. He claims the government will buy it for him after he sues their rear ends off for being responsible for his plight.

He changed his cell phone number 3 months ago and refuses to give it to me. He calls me private after hitting *67. I asked him why he won't give me his phone number and he said because my phone is wire tapped by the Feds and State and he does not want them to use me to reach him. He claims his old cell was tapped but since he changed it, they have not successfully tapped it again.

Currently he is taking advantage of an illegal immigrant from Russia. She offered him residence in return for marriage that would give her citizenship after a brief romance that is now on ice. It has been a stalemate relationship for 3 years with his demands increasing by the day in return for his willingness to marry this Russian girl. I feel sorry for this girl as I suspect she is trapped in the relationship and probably close to developing Stockholm Syndrome. I am not going to tell the rest of the story as I would end up writing a book and I suspect bloggers are getting tired of my books. The girl is 29 years old and still thinks she can handle him. No one else has been so far. In my opinion she is way over her head and would be better off just going back to Russia than dealing with this person who is beginning to exhibit violence and animalistic tendencies. He is an extremely strong person so it is not easy for any group of people to involuntarily escort him to the nearest mental institution. One time his parents got him in one and a few days later he yelled FIRE and ran away in the chaos he deliberately caused.

But this nice gainfully employed Russian girl has given his family and friends a nice reprieve in the last 3 years as we were all supporting him financialy and otherwise. He also claims the system screwed him over and that is why he is penniless and can not get back on his feet. He wants to sue every government agency for 100 million or more but has yet to file his first lawsuit after 25 plus years of threatening. I also noticed Mr. Huber threatens everyone at every opportunity with a lawsuit including the Naperville Sun which he plans to own soon...lol... The similarity is frightening. Once I became better acquainted with Mr. Huber through this blog site, I finally realized what I was up against....A WALL!!!!


CIJ..what a post! This really highlights issue of unchecked mental troubles. We just don't understand the power of the human mind. The threats that are made are always part and parcel to protecting the delusion. Understand it's a reflex the same as blocking a punch or a slap. In all sincerity, Scott is so smart. He is a borderline case (in my opinion. If only there was a way to help him.

By Dan on September 2, 2009 6:25 PM
CIJ..what a post! This really highlights issue of unchecked mental troubles. We just don't understand the power of the human mind. The threats that are made are always part and parcel to protecting the delusion. Understand it's a reflex the same as blocking a punch or a slap. In all sincerity, Scott is so smart. He is a borderline case (in my opinion. If only there was a way to help him.

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Thank you for your kind comments. They make a lot of sense. I believe my friend at this point is really beyond hope. I do not think Mr. Huber has reached that state even though his one e-mail blasting everything good I said or did for him had me wondering.

I have tried to help my friend for many years after every member of his extended family gave up him. They advised me I am wasting my time. I bailed him out of jail 9 times for minor charges like trespassing/disorderly conduct and the family advised me I was making a mistake. Now I really understand I should have left him in jail where at least he could be controlled.

I worked out with him the last 2 days hoping to see a change or improvement. He was so bad I am going to avoid him tonight and go to my normal place at my normal time and work out with normal people.

Last night he tried to get me to sign a contract betting his car against mine that my phone was tapped. I refused to sign the contract as I did not want to disposses him of his car. He claims he recorded me which he did and even though there is no written contract, the bet is on because it is recorded and he is demanding my car. He says he is 1000% sure my phones are tapped and/or wired by the Feds and State Police.

I guess I agree with you that the threats are made to protect the delusion and possibly the hallucinations.

Finally, I think Scott is beyond borderline even though not quite as bad as my old friend. It is amazing how smart these paranoid schizophrenics think they are while the rest of us border on dumb and dumber.

As far as a solution, leave Scott right where he is. He is not bothering anyone. Only he is suffering. While we don't have a mountain, we at least have a mountain man who can survice Mt. Everest conditions. How he survives these winters is beyond me. I can turn my heat up to 90 degrees and I still want to move to Florida or the Bahamas one day. I wish him nothing but the best of luck and a return to normality and health.

I always knew what you were talking about Dan, but I wanted to give Mr. Huber every benefit of every doubt before I declared him a paranoid schizophrenic. I have no doubt about my diagnosis as I have 30 years of experience dealing with this devastating disease...much worse than any physical disease.

CIJ,

This is why I said what I said.. just let him be. He has a right to protest and he has confined himself to a very minimal public space from which to do so without really taking away anyone's enjoyment of the area or hampering their ability to maneuver past him. He's a fixture who will be there as long as he chooses to be. Live and let live.

I wish you good health Scott.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 24, 2009 2:15 PM

Kat's silence is deafening and she or he knows that similarly the contract was circumvented and it specifically guards against such circumvention!

Scott,

I apologize for posting the url's to your site and upsetting you. In my defense it was not intended to cause you any harm or distress, I interpreted the user contract on your site differently than you intended. When I read "Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval." I did not interpret that posting the url's here, that were readily found by anyone searching google, fell into the category of giving or providing access to anyone not allowed, or relating the information to excluded parties, based on the list of those excluded parties posted on your site.

I myself came across those url's while searching google to find out what I could about your side of the story, as all too often I find on blogs over all, the respondent posts on one side or the other of a heated subject are based on popular opinion of the majority as opposed to actual factual researched information. After much reading, I presented those url's in order to provide those commenting on the situation with a route to your side of the story that would eliminate their need to search google for that information themselves, removing one obstacle (the time and effort it would take a respondent to search google themselves before commenting)that might lead to people just commenting based on the opinions of others.

With respect to, and in respect of, your user contract; I refrained from posting the information contained on your site, although I felt that it would provide some answers to the questions being raised here, still though feeling that your side of the story needed to be weighed against what was presented by the media or popular opinion, I posted those url's instead so your "voice" would also be "heard" in this.

My silence in responding to your request had nothing to do with that which you pointed out above. I had not responded because I have been ill and had not checked back to read the follow up posts until this morning, or even been near my computer, so was unaware of your request. Once I read it I went searching for my post intending to see what I could do to accommodate your request and found it was unnecessary as my post had already been removed. There was no ill intent what so ever in my lack of response to your request, and I am sorry that you interpreted it this way.

CIJ and Joe,

I totally disagree with you. He should be removed from the street just as if someone were outwardly injured. Joe writes "he has a right to protest". So we have to accept his delusion and let a man continue to suffer through squalor and inhumane conditions because he is unable to make those decisions? I know it offends our sense of free speech and our writes as individuals and so on. In this case it is different, although Mr. Huber seems to function, at the end of the day he lives under a piece of plastic on the sidewalk for 6 years!!! Time to usher him to the next level!!!

Joe in regards to your final sentence I couldn't more strongly disagree..Live and let live will be to Live and let die.

Dan,

He has a right to die. You don't have the right to force him to do something against his will. You're not his master or his King. He's made his choice. While I don't agree with it, I support that it's his choice even if it is not one I would ever choose for myself. *THAT* is fundamental foundation of America.

He obviously is able to make decisions because he chooses to be where he is, do what he does and participate on here and survive harsh winters out in the elements. How many have you survived outside night after night year after year? I would guess the number is 0.

Well here we go again...

Won't take the time to go into the details at this time as I have MORE IMPORTANT things to do at this time I will summarize this gobbley gook that has been evolving because I don't give the babies their bottle and let them violate the law and gentlemen's agreements et al. violating my and others' privacy.

It seems to me that there are a number of characters out there who act as though they are "OMNISCIENT" "LICENSED" PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS that have a big hole in the posterior or “South End “ of their britches! I surmise that it has come from their speaking out their butts because their mouths know better because their parents told them not to talk with their mouths full that has been aided an abetted by the beans they have been eating et al...the "facts" and conclusions you present are clearly manufactured and delusional mixed in with only enough "truth" that makes your explosions look good but even so they still stink to high heaven!

Sweet dreams "guys" because I hope you have filtered air conditioning with all the EPA required afterburners on them and you... or else your going to kill off all your neighbors and dontpassgas.org is going to have a fit even if you step outside!

It looks like you "guys" are going to have to bankroll a regular replacement program for britches for the foreseeable future but then some may be having them supplied to them free of charge with room service at the Federal "Hilton"!


I Remain quite mentally healthy,

Scott M. Huber
12:32 PM CDT
9-3-09

Scott, you missed your calling. You should have been starring on TV, not inside of them worried about circuitry.

You are too funny. God love ya.

This is a better version...those beans must have caused a misfire while NSP was inoperative this afternoon!...


Well here we go again...

Won't take the time to go into the details at this time as I have MORE IMPORTANT things to do. At this time I will summarize this gobbley gook that has been evolving because I don't give the babies their bottle and let them violate the law and gentlemen's agreements et al. violating my and others' privacy.

It seems to me that there are a number of characters out there who act as though they are "OMNISCIENT" "LICENSED" PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS that have a BIG HOLE in the posterior or “South End “ of their britches! I surmise that it has come from their speaking out their butts because their mouths know better because their parents told them not to talk with their mouths full that has been aided an abetted by the beans they have been eating et al...the "facts" and conclusions you present are clearly manufactured and delusional mixed in with only enough "truth" and sloppy thinking and logic that makes your explosions look good but even so they still stink to high heaven!

Sweet dreams "guys" because I hope you have filtered air conditioning with all the EPA required afterburners on them and you... or else your going to kill off all your neighbors and dontpassgas.org is going to have a fit even if you step outside!

It looks like you "guys" are going to have to bankroll a regular replacement program for britches for the foreseeable future but then some may be having them supplied to them free of charge with room service at the Federal "Hilton"!

For now just get yourselves a loin cloth like Zim Bomba The Jungle Boy or Tarzan so you don‘t complicate matters and get arrested for indecent exposure!


I Remain quite mentally healthy,

Scott M. Huber
12:32 PM CDT
9-3-09


Reasserted...

Scott M. Huber
6:10 PM CDT
9-3-09

Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM ...You'll like this version better!...Check it out at #633...

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p26


Scott M. Huber
7:13 PM CDT
9-3-09

Scott, it was the same post. Then 10 more posts with the same link.
You have to promise us all you'll keep blogging even after you move.

You need to get some rest, should be a great weekend to look like a victim and collect some more handouts. 80 degrees, bright Sun. Put on that sad face and let's break some revenue records.

I will drop off some Bean-O for you.

By Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM & ALL...

This is an addendum to a better version...those beans must have caused a misfire while NSP was inoperative yesterday afternoon! Look at the headlines on page 18 of the Naperville Sun this morning 9-4-09. "'Gas passing' leaves some fuming"! However don't believe a word they say...it was a "CIA" cover up for the real culprits that have huge holes in the backs of their britches!

Scott M. Huber
11:15 AM CDT
9-4-09

Dan,
While I agree with your diagnosis of Mr. Scott M. Huber, I don't agree with your mocking of him.

My feeling of Mr. Huber is the same a CM Bob. He beleives from the bottom of his heart what he says and in the truthfulness of his cause. I also believe based on my experience with another paranoid schizophrenic, that it is almost impossible to change him(them) with or without treatment.

They are normally not violent people. They do not look for trouble. They are just trying to defend themselves from a world they perceive wants nothing but harm for them. In the case of Mr. Huber he feels the world sent the CIA to spy on him....not just the FBI.

I think we should leave him alone. Leave him right where he is. He may live another 30 years and if he does, we just have to accept his HOMELESS STRIKE on that tiny piece of sidewalk. He really is not bothering anybody. He does not bother anyone on the sidewalks for money. He asks for money indirectly on the internet by saying he is living on "fumes" and occasionally issues calls for help.

He wants a confrontation. Why should we give him one?

Personally, if we all ignored him and he no longer received all the attention, he would pull to another town or possibly even a homeless shelther where he would receive a little more attention and possibly some love and care.

I believe the man has a good heart and is a good human being. He simply developed a mental disease that any of us can one day develop. None of us think we will ever develop Alzheimers. But statistics show if we get very old in age, over half of us will. How would we like it if people made fun of us or mocked us? If you have Alzheimers, you don't know you have it. If you are a paranoid schizophrenic you don't know you are. Look at how Mr. Huber has declared himself "quite mentally healthy." He truly believes that just as he believes everyone gave it to him up the wazooooo and then some. I gave him donations and tried to defend his situation and he told me to my face that he thinks I work for the CIA and may have something up my sleeve. I mean why would the CIA which is basically an agency that handles overseas intelligence have any interest in Mr. Huber. Why would they believe he would blow up the garage at 75 E. Chicago Ave...after all he not only protects the garage, cultivates the plants and flowers, but even calls 911 if the girls in the garage are in any kind of trouble. (BTW, this is a good reason to keep him here as he is better than any video camera recording that no one has time to watch.)

It is easy to let a paranoid schizophrenic get under your skin and begin engaging you. It is easy to get in a spit and spat with him.

I pretty much pulled out of this debate because I don't think it is going to get us anywhere.

I came here only initially to say let us not get involved in any further litigation especially since our legal department does not handle civil rights cases and I am in no mood of having Mr. Huber drag us into another Napergate Style 10 million dollar legal case. He has the ability to do that. He has the capability to do that. And passing an ordinace designed specifically against him will give him an EASY VICTORY IN COURT. This is exactly what he may be baiting us into during this very long HOMELESS STRIKE. He is smelling victory and we the citizens need to snatch it away from him by demanding the City Council not pass this ordinance.

If the City Council Members are bored with nothing better to do, they should consider passing A CONDEMNATION of DUPAGE COUNTY for allowing the armed robber who held up Extra Value Liquors released after 90 days. The timing could not be better as the second armed robber will most probably be receiving a similar deal on Sept. 14 by our less than competent prosecutors and Judges. The same ones that convicted the Hispanics to death row in the Nicarico Case over and over again despite the fact the civilian population and media had known they were innocent for several years. This Courthouse needs a CONDEMNATION immediately to wake them up. Naperville is the largest city in Dupage and needs to step up and do something about the corruption in Dupage Country that allows a criminal to rob a liquor store and steal a 4 digit amount of cash and only be fined 415 dollars for the crime and court costs. Yes, us residents can get a larger fine for accidentally going a few miles over in a contruction zone such as 75th St.

Why am I the only one in town who feels this way? Why am I am the only one in town who would like to see the Naperville Sun also blast Dupage Country for letting repeat and hardened heroin using convicted criminals off in 90 days and back on our streets where our kids could be exposed and killed by them. Just last week an armed thug killed a civilian in Aurora. Do we want to be like Aurora and have killings every week? Why is our City Council so wimpish and afraid to stand up to Dupage County and demand justice for those who harm Naperville Citizens and Businesses?

After reviewing Mr. Huber's case, I do not think he has a chance in a million of winning based on his historical unsubstantiated and unfounded gripes. Basically he wanted those who evicted him to be charitable towards him and there are no laws that support charity. The owner of Jackson Storage may have had 2 kids in college as I do and may have been on "fumes" himself. Maybe he was not in a position to help Mr. Huber as much as Mr. Huber would have liked.

While the Dupage System of Justice is corrupt, using Mr. Huber's case to expose this corruption will actually make the Dupage System smell like roses and lilacs.....maybe even like French Perfume.

As a society we need to support Mr. Huber's minimal needs of food, shelter, gas and money. He is unable or more like unwilling to support himself because of a mental disease he has. Therefore we need to care about him since he is unwilling to care for himself.

I believe at some point God will intervene and show him the right path. I hope He intervenes and cures Mr. Huber. Mr. Huber does go to MASS religiously and takes a train to go there while almost penniless. Maybe something will hit him during MASS. Maybe something will bring him to his senses. I want to believe God can fix a human's brain even though psychiatrists and psychologists in most cases can not.

In the meantime the City Council should not lower themeselves to the level of a mentally ill man and try to fight him on the sidewalk, on the streets or in the courts. Let him live and leave him alone as Orginal Joe has suggested.

We just have to accept that we don't have to be the Best Place to Live in America. We just have to accept maybe we don't deserve this title not just because of Mr. Huber but because of several others reasons I have been documenting on this blog site the last 3.5 years.

As some bloggers said earlier in this debate, Mr. Huber should be a symbol to our kids that not everything is all rosy and lilacy in Naperville. That if they don't work hard and keep their brains functing properly by staying healthy, they can also be on the streets as HOMELESS STRIKERS against the Establishment, against their Friends, against their Relatives, and even against their SUPPORTERS and DONORS.

Let us leave him alone. Please don't mock him, Dan. Let us see what happens. Sometimes these situations have very unusual ways of working themselves out. Only time will tell.

CIJ, you are correct. I am wrong for mocking him. I apologize for this

Justifying his existence as a security force, a museum display to educate our children or a pawn to make a case against an alleged dishonest government is not right either.

You enter a slippery slope when allowing this situation to stay status quo. You are setting a precedent to others to do the same thing. You have a personal experience in the understanding Scott is going to worsen over time. So at which point do we decide that it is not healthy for him or the community?

Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM ...You'll like this version better!...Check it out at #633...

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p26


Scott M. Huber
7:13 PM CDT
9-3-09

Leaving Scott Huber in place as a way to teach our children to work hard is like saying that heroin addicts teach our children not to do drugs

The city should extend the planters into the area where he is holed up and settle the matter.

There you go again Scott, Quote.. "It is a warning from Christ that I think you should know about so that you can undo your wrongs when you find that your are experiencing problems and not know why! Matthew 18:1-17"

Just assuming the role of a "little one" doesn't deem you so. If you are able bodied and can be enterprising then you are wasting the gifts that God gave you and it is a SIN and an insult to Gods will for you.

You may very well be that "little one" by the fact you are disabled mentally or physically. In this case all should be done to protect and feed you.

You cannot have it both ways. SO I ASK YOU SCOTT, which is it?

Are you the "little one" with little control of your well being? Or a powerful smart man in this wonderful country?

If it is the latter, pick up a rake, or a multi-meter and provide for yourself. You are so lucky to live in this country, even luckier to live in a great county within the city limits of Naperville.

If not, the establishment will help you take care of yourself as a "little one". Maybe God should take your gifts away and give them to a poor soul in land with little opportunity where they can do some good.

I say this with not a Racist tone in my heart, you are a White Man, living in one of the richest places in the world overstuffed with opportunity, you have it EASY. So much opportunity young 20 somethings will press $20.00 dollars into your outstretched palm just because they think it's neat.

If you are truly well, you are the worst mockery to Gods plan. He puts you here and you dare spit in God's eye by shaming his gifts.

I hope for your sake you are mentally challenged. I really do.

By Dan on September 4, 2009 1:50 PM
CIJ, you are correct. I am wrong for mocking him. I apologize for this

I always had a good gut feeling about you.


Justifying his existence as a security force, a museum display to educate our children or a pawn to make a case against an alleged dishonest government is not right either.

He is not a security force but his existence does provide security. He has got eyes and ears and calls 911 according to him. I do not consider him a museum but most people do believe he is homeless and poor while not STRIKING, so I am sure parents tell their kids study hard or you will be on the streets. My parents told me that many times.

Once I studied his case, I said he does not have a case. I said he would make the corrupt Dupage Couirt System smell rosy and lilacy. I asked the City of Naperville not to write an ordinance against him which will give him the case he wants. Period...

PS.No precedent is being set as only one in a billion on this earth will consider protesting 24/7 for ETERNITY.

Since you and I know from experiences, worrying about a paranoid schizophrnenic does no good, LET US STOP WORRYING ABOUT HIM.

Let us try to close this thread as it is getting us nowhere. WE HIT A WALL. Time to move on....don't you agree!

Kat on September 3, 2009 7:02 AM

The only thing I was concerned about is that you did not put together the warning in the second link that also was covering the first link because of its similar title! As you know the Contract for the Restricted areas cover those gotten via search engines et al..

As I stated prior, if you want to rewrite the comment with the first link substituted with the link as found in the Porcupine Quills that contains the same content, (minus the email header), that includes the warning at the top as found at the Angelfire site restricted links and then add the link containing the Contract as your first link that would be fine. That would provide three links instead of two with the one corrected.

The problem with the first link came when game players and Guard House Lawyers like CIJ and out right violators like Anonymous came along. CIJ conveniently looked at the first link without looking at the second link, (CIJ says), and thought he could relate anything he wanted ignoring the fact that the content was specifically forbidden for any additional updates or updates as they are all restricted.

Where CIJ went wrong was when he read the second link and saw the warning he did not apply it to the first link as the Contract requires. Even though the first link was not marked as the second link was he continued to allow his remarks to post with the illegal information . At this point he fell into disrepute and became a willful and wanton violator.

When he since has discussed restricted information from PQ on the blog forum which is public he again violated the Contract which restricts such communication along with Anonymous who made it public in that discussion when they should have done it in private email.

At this point they both willfully and wantonly violated the Contract. CIJ denies it but his communications are still there AFTER he deleted his original offenses and he plays me for a dummy like he did no wrong and refuses to delete the additional communications along with Annonymous not deleting his violations.

For the above reasons I put my “foot” down!

So Kat feel free to repost your original comment only with the revisions I have indicated above and you will not be a problem for me but will prevent shysters from playing games with so called innocence and manipulations of fact as has been happening since!

Sincerely.

Scott M. Huber
5:42 PM CDT
9-3-09

Original Joe on September 2, 2009 1:35 AM


It is clear that the issues that are at hand are not whether I pay taxes or have physical property but whether I submit to the control group’s control so that they can manipulate me by my assets. Some cannot stand that I made it here on my own by their rules and Love’s enablement and have not sold out to tht control group.

It is apparent to me that many that live in this community are either naive or sold out to the control group. Many that critique me have come to Naperville for status, like trading in their Democratic party card for a Republican one when they moved from Chicago or Napervillians who trade their Republican party card for a Democratic one when they move to Chicago, and sacrifice their true ethics, morals and religious foundations and even Christianity for the status quo and the almighty dollar.

I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context. I was not homeless when I came here twenty years ago nor am I now even though those that are slow on the uptake haven‘t been able to make that distinction because I am not apart of their “club“.

Because I have maintained my autonomy I am focused on for every jot and tittle of their aberrant mind set.

An easy scapegoat for degrading someone that does not submit to the control group is to berate them ignoring standards of ethics, morals, Christian ethics or law much less reality to do it! In this case it is the label “homeless” and its associated “brothers” mental condition, hygiene et al. with all their implications. It is their pet peeve because I think they need someone or group to look down on to feel good. They forget that they have been blessed not to have to have been buried alive in the quagmire of bigotry basically due to socioeconomic circumstances. However I think some are headed that way faster than they think! They had better get right with Love!

It is clear that I as a businessman do not much different from the “Big Corporate” guys in that I seek options so to avoid unnecessary taxes. Because they do it it is alright but because this small businessman does it is not. What kind of ethic do they practice here? It appears to be a double standard, hypocrisy and discriminatory bias based especially on socio economic standards! Not all of us seek to keep up with the “Joneses” we have more important goals and it is not the one that says “the one who dies with the most ‘toys’ wins“!

I don’t have to take on the tax liabilities you do and own property to be a part of this community and to receive the same and equal protection of the law.

The information for which you seek is really none of your business. I am not seeking public office at this time and am not required to give out that information or prove that information.

Some of the information for which you seek is already available in this forum. Do your homework!

The bottom line is that the government says that I am NOT homeless and that is what counts on this one…“case closed King“!

Scott M. Huber
11:46 AM CDT
9-3-09

Scott Huber? You give yourself WAY too much importance.

Narcissism is a disease.

Scott,

When you speak at City Council you give your address as that of the parking garage that you don't own and for which you don't pay rent.

It sounds to me like you are ether lying at the meetings about your address or you are lying here implying you have something somewhere else.

Which is it?

I won't think anything more or less of you whether you have a home elsewhere or not. It just gets a bit tiring watching the shell game with respect to this subject.

The rest of your establishment horse crap I could care less about... that's your beef and hey, have fun with it.

Mr Huber, you call yourself a business man - please explain what business you operate and where can we come to have you perform your services?

The "Donnelly Demographic" statement written by Huber is interesting, kind of fits with the rest of his "victim" mentality.

("I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context.")

I use Donnelly Yellow Pages for a business listing myself. I'm sure they have great info, they try to upsell my listing often. This doesn't mean a lot to me, I don't get many hits off of a yellow pages listing, but have it just because. Anything Donnelly provides, including demographic info, is simply not effective without real pavement pounding and a business that is built and maintained carefully from the ground up. Donnelly's info could tell me that Naperville is a great place for a business, but if the business itself becomes out of date and invalid, we cannot point fingers at Donnelly. If the business is run by someone that has difficulty getting along in the world and this ultimately effects the business, who do we find fault with? If the business owner cannot change to fit the times and create a larger client list, who is at fault?

My point is, this is another example of Huber pointing fingers at everyone but himself for the direction his life has taken. He has broken the camel's back here and Naperville's patience with his story has come to an end, especially while so many within our community are working so hard right now to overcome events in their own lives that may put them out of their jobs and homes. No one wants to listen to a whiner that does nothing of value to help himself.

Huber is mentally ill? Yeah, probably. As I have read here, he refuses services that are available, so time to scoot him to his next episode.

anonymous on September 4, 2009 8:14 PM

Good Greif! Another one of those "Omniscient" Psychologist / Psychiatrist types.

If you perceive me to be way too important because the public takes interest I think you are the one with a perception problem. It is really in your head and perhaps shows that you may have the problem with narcissism.

All I am doing is standing up for equal rights under the law and the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that it is to guarantee. I’m just trying to be a good steward of my time under the strange circumstances that have put me here to recover my losses not to be distracted into other unimportant involvements and malicious allegations.

Because the media and public find me an object of interest is not my fault it is a fact of life.

Scott M. Huber
4:17 PM CDT
9-5-09

Original Joe on September 4, 2009 10:18 PM

The address I gave at the council meeting was used because that is where people can find me. The addresses I use for my mailing addresses that have been used for my voter and elector privileges are private because there appears to be an element in the community to try to harass the people who support me.

The council knew what address I was giving them. It was no deception and if that did not satisfy them they could take issue and I would tell them what I tell you here.

It is obvious that I have been a lightning rod for special attentions because my antagonists operate by will not by fact and I want to divert as much electricity away from me and my supporters as I can!

Scott M. Huber
4:32 PM CDT
9-5-09

Anonymous on September 5, 2009 12:37 AM

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html

Scott M. Huber
4:43 PM CDT
9-5-09

Scott,

I'm not quite sure what the heck you think you're saying here. So, let me ask you this: If I drop off a DVD player (that needs to have a disc inserted approximately 5 times before it recognizes it) to you where you are situated on the sidewalk next to the parking garage, can I get a quote on getting it fixed and approximately how long will it take to get repaired and at what cost?

Thanks,

Joe,
Before you consider giving your DVD play to Scott you need to assured his tent is water proof. I think the water flows right down the sidewalk underneath him and through the tent.

I suspect you might get you DVD player back waterlogged. If your DVD player takes 5 times to recognize a disc, it will take 10 times when you get it back.

When he had a shop, he did excellent repairs for a low to fair price. He was an honest and successful businessman. He fixed more than one VCR for us and one TV. They still are working perfectly. He is very talented. I believe he closed down because the price of VCRs and TVs dipped to the point of where it did not make sense to repair instead of replace. We started replacing instead of repairing and stopped going to his small old fashioned friendly shop. I suspect most Napervillians did the same.

On the day after Thanksgiving you can buy a TV, VCR or DVD player for less than anyone can repair them. This is what I think caused the downfall of Mr. Huber.

He should have retooled and converted his TV/VCR shop to a Computer Store as others did. He did not and that is why I feel he failed. He is very talented and could easily be successful running computer repair shop where people are willing to pay 25 bucks to 100 bucks for cleaning or removal of a virus as computers still cost $399 to $1999 to buy. Some people whose computers crash will pay hundreds of dollars to have their data retrieved and saved on another hard drive.

I wish a bank would loan him 25-50k to start this computer shop as the taxpayers are against my suggestion. Maybe the bank could handle the loss as a write off in the event Mr. Huber decided he wanted to continue as a HOMELESS STRIKER after receiving the loan.

I became convinced that Mr. Huber does not want to settle at any cost. I think he enjoys the recognition and attention he gets from being located where he is.

He told me if this resolution is passed to forbid him from being in the DOWNTOWN, he plans on moving up the block and camping out on North Central College property until he could challenge the constitutionality of the Naperivlle Ordinance specifically directed against him. Mr. Huber will not go down easily. He is determined to cost us legally and I suspect he will.

As a taxpayer I do not want another Napergate Style Legal Battle that may cost us $10 million more. In am hoping most taxpayers feel as I do and do not want new additional legal battles especially after the $1.5 million we wasted on Furtenau v. Naperville which just concluded in a dismissal.

By anonymous on September 5, 2009 9:04 AM

>>“The "Donnelly Demographic" statement written by Huber is interesting, kind of fits with the rest of his "victim" mentality.”

How much are “they” paying you guys to keep nit picking and nipping at “every” aspect of my presentation? It is obvious “guys”. It suggests that this is the same momentum that put me out here in the first place. Can’t you just let people alone and let them live too? These egos are so intense and intent on doing a psychiatric diagnosis because they refuse to deal with the facts that great wrongs were committed and ignored and it appears that they don’t want to admit their wrong doing or bungling! They would not stand for it if it happened to them I am sure!

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that I am a victim and have been abused and ironically abused by those who are supposed to be protecting me from such things!

>>"I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context."

The purpose in mentioning the Donnelley scenario is to set the stage and context for what happened.

>>“I use Donnelly Yellow Pages for a business listing myself. I'm sure they have great info, they try to upsell my listing often. This doesn't mean a lot to me, I don't get many hits off of a yellow pages listing, but have it just because.”

In my experience having a Donnelly Yellow Pages listing was the difference between existence and being invisible. When my phones went down no one knew where to contact me even after I started getting my web site up with a number and email address.

>>“Anything Donnelly provides, including demographic info, is simply not effective without real pavement pounding and a business that is built and maintained carefully from the ground up.”

I really have to disagree with you with my almost twenty years of dealing with Donnelly Yellow Pages. You put your shingle out there and people see it and respond. That is why Donnelley could demand such a high premium for their ad space! Any pounding of the pavement in my business occurs after the phone rings so to make satisfied customers that gives good word of mouth advertising.

You suggest by implication that my business was not carefully built and you just don’t know what you are talking about if that is where you are going with this. Any business no matter how well it is built or carefully attended to can be taken down by sabotage. That is my circumstance. Carefully planned networked sabotage. Had I had a normal circumstance with proper law enforcement and judicial protections I would be living a reasonably normal life style and my protest chapter need not have happened along with the loss of my life’s work and possessions.

>>Donnelly's info could tell me that Naperville is a great place for a business, but if the business itself becomes out of date and invalid, we cannot point fingers at Donnelly. “

No one is pointing fingers at Donnelly. My business was not out of date but was politically and criminally destroyed. The very fact that there are still numerous electronics service firms in existence attest to the fact of my business’s survival had it not been networked against. My business was designed to anticipate technology changes and service pattern changes and was doing quite well except for the unlawful interference.

>>“If the business is run by someone that has difficulty getting along in the world and this ultimately effects the business, who do we find fault with?”

Again you imply and this time that I had trouble getting along in the world. Not so. What I did have trouble with was a certain segment of dishonest law enforcement, judges, attorneys and their political henchpersons who had a designated agenda for me irrespective of how honorable, accomplished, productive , in good faith and good spirited I was. In analysis we find fault with the ones that were using the “Kerrigan Sticks” to prevent the winning performance! See…

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=nancy+kerrigan+attack&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW

>>“If the business owner cannot change to fit the times and create a larger client list, who is at fault?

Dishonest law enforcement, judges, attorneys and their political henchpersons who had a designated agenda for me irrespective of how honorable, accomplished, well planned, anticipatory or productive I was!

>>“My point is, this is another example of Huber pointing fingers at everyone but himself for the direction his life has taken.”

Oh “Great Omniscient” One…Your point is as dull as the rear end of a jackal. It is clearly a case of Huber pointing to the cause of the problem not its contrived symptom using his Christian and Security training and analytic business professionalism.

>>“He has broken the camel's back here and Naperville's patience with his story has come to an end,”

Correctly stated it is the community trying to break the back of Huber and Huber’s patience with their chicanery is coming to an end!

“>>especially while so many within our community are working so hard right now to overcome events in their own lives that may put them out of their jobs and homes.”

At least they had a chance at it that was an extremely lot more of the pie than I have been allowed. Maybe I should be counseling them in survival living since I have been there done that and continue in that mode because of and with your and others’ jackalayen approaches!

>>“No one wants to listen to a whiner that does nothing of value to help himself.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” you love to use your superlatives !!! Your subjective opinionations are the bane of this blog! Your attitude needs to change Oh “Great Omniscient One”! You obviously have not embraced the American Spirit that our fore fathers worked so hard to win for us in the area of Free Speech, Strikes and Protests!

The whole act of Free Speech is a vehicle to and of doing something valuable to help ones’ self! To reduce it to whiner is pathetic and shows your lack of respect for American ways that have been a part of time tested Americana for a long time.

>>“Huber is mentally ill? Yeah, probably. As I have read here, he refuses services that are available, so time to scoot him to his next episode.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” Psychiatrist, you are out of touch with reality, a psychosis, because refusing help and services is not a sign of mental health issues. It is a sign of frugality and unselfishness not imposing on city services unneeded care that costs the tax payer dollars or unnecessarily inconveniences them. It is your mentality that causes health care costs to rise and services to be wasted.

You clearly have not been doing your homework because if you had you would have noted that I have stated that the services offered by the city were temporary stays at the police station and note that PADS was not necessary because I could more cost effectively and advantageously operate at my protest as I have. For a seasoned businessman on strike PADS would not have been efficient not to forget the harassment and conditioning programs they utilize and of which they have tried to burn me and burned me and I have witnesses!

It is clear you miss the whole point of my presence as a Striker Protester with valid issues that are clearly being ignored by your psychotic subjective negative and bigoted mind set.
Thank Love I have been able to utilize my free speech rights to at least put your mind set at bay and expose it for what it is.

You forget that the sources of information in this blog are slanted by those with an ulterior motive and negative mind set as you. They clearly have misstated the content and intent of my source material. It appears that these misstatements are not only deliberate but sloppy appraisals of what I have said and may well be due to a deep seated psychological inability to deal with the truth that does not fit their mind set mold.

If you read the source material you might just become enlightened and get it straight! However, you have to comply with the Terms of Use Contract or be prosecuted as they may well be! The very fact that you and others use an anonymous handle suggests that you are not in good faith with me or the readers!

Scott M. Huber
Owner, CEO and President
Thank You For Letting Us Be Of Service To You!....
A&A ELECTRONICS AND TELEVISION!!!
A Quality 34 Year Old Business In The United States Midwest Region!

12:36 PM CDT
9-6-09

Original Joe on September 5, 2009 11:57 PM

Joe I will not accept your item here at my protest site however, we can arrange a mutual nearby meeting place like a restaurant that we agree to or elsewhere if we mutually agree to my terms.

My terms are found here…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/charges.html
Other explanations of my business are found here…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html#SITE SELECTIONS

This is a Mobile Lemont identified business with private “offices” in Naperville!

Obviously Joe I keep my computer electronics safe!

Scott M. Huber
1:47 PM CDT
9-6-09

Scott,

"FREE ESTIMATES:

Free estimates are given via E-Mail or the Phone. They are approximations of the cost of the job based on our experience with similar problems as you have described. If upon arrival and initial hands on evaluation we find circumstances other than what you described to us we reserve the right to reestimate your project based on what we have ascertained. Please keep in mind that estimates are generally allowed a 15% overrun but we strive to make your investment cost effective!"

This is exactly what I was trying to find out; an approximation. I'm not looking for a number to hold you too, I'm just trying to find out, given the description of the problem, approximately how much and how long something like this would take. It's a Panasonic "Double Feature" machine (Combination VHS and DVD). Other than the problem I describe, works perfectly. Are these things something where the DVD drive can be swapped out with something compatible for a quick and easy repair?

What restaurants do you frequent? I don't like the idea of being downtown during the last fling stuff (crowds and traffic are not my thing) but something Tuesday or afterwards I'm open...

Of course Mr. Huber fails to mention that prior to his first introduction to the legal system in 1988 his store was already closed. He had moved his equipment into the residential rental unit from where he was evicted for failure to pay $1500 worth of rent. Then he lost his storage unit for failure to pay about a year's worth of rent. Then he lost his "cover" storage unit for neither he nor his "cover" paying rent there either. He expected his landlords to continue to extend to him space without payment. He says he wanted them to work out something with him. However, during the time he had nothing to offer them. He sought donations without success.

Dan on September 3, 2009 8:49 AM
CIJ and Joe,

Folks this response from Dan is a classic example of the psychotic and Red Herring Hot Buttoned creations that manipulate the facts and conclude based on those manipulated facts.

>>I totally disagree with you. He should be removed from the street just as if someone were outwardly injured.

That is certainly a delusional psychotic selfish response of a person that just does not want to deal with reality.

“Joe writes "he has a right to protest". So we have to accept his delusion and let a man continue to suffer through squalor and inhumane conditions because he is unable to make those decisions? “

What gives this man the foundation to make such conclusionary statements? His psychotic mind set just does not want to deal with the issues of deprivation that my protest deals. There is no delusion with me. There are facts that are not being dealt with and in this case… foundationally that the law enforcement community has allowed criminal acts to be perpetrated against me from outside and inside the ranks of the police. There are clear evidences that the law enforcement community aided and abetted criminal efforts to make me disappear and not just as a businessman or citizen of Naperville.

There is no squalor or inhumane conditions, (or even sanitation issues others have attempted to assert), this is just another extrapolation that this man uses to inflame the issues of my presence using the old Red Herring and Hot Button technique. It is almost tantamount to a person yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire. This protest has subjected me to extremes that I would not normally have to endure but most mailmen, strikers, protesters, police officers, security people, our Armed Forces and the like have had to endure similar as it is necessary to their job so it is necessary to my strike.

“I know it offends our sense of free speech and our writes as individuals and so on.”

You can say that again. At least one thing we agree about!

My scenario should be given the same consideration and context as any strike protest would and thus the proposed city ordinance is un-American and violative of our American Free Spirit, First Amendment Rights to Free Speech, Peaceful Assembly, Strike Protests and well settled strike line accoutrements.


“In this case it is different, although Mr. Huber seems to function, at the end of the day he lives under a piece of plastic on the sidewalk for 6 years!!! “

Here is a good example of how my antagonists twist and exaggerate the truth. Mr. Huber does function and that is obvious. I function here just as if it were my office in my home that I had prior to all Hell breaking loose with the exception that circumstances are not as conducive to efficiency and productivity or ease of operation.

I don’t live under a piece of plastic anymore than the Boeing union strike lived under the tent roof that they had on their strike line…it is there to provide protection from the elements just like a coat on ones back or and enclosed bus stop.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

You like to make that fact that I strike 24/7 into living quarters. Maybe it affords me protection similar to living quarters but by far less effective. I pull my shift 24/7 not live there. Just like when I pulled 48 hour shifts when I worked for the security company when it demanded. Did I live in the guard shack? No! I worked in the guard shack! That was my job assignment. This strike post is my job assignment and just because it saves me money and makes my strike durable now I am living there in your mind set! Your intent is to get rid of a visible strike and its issues of protest and encourage it to dry up and wither so you can sweep it under the rug.


I don’t live under a piece of plastic at the end of the day. I sit there 24/7 to protect me from the weather and sun extremes just like a guard in a guard shack. I have the tarp there to improve the aesthetics over what I had prior which was less aesthetically pleasing allowing water damage to my equipment and making my equipment more vulnerable to theft.


Some say I have expanded. I used to park my man powered vehicles at the bike racks in the parking garage but that was not acceptable either. The city and the public clearly discriminate because my VEHICLES don’t have sheet metal around them.

Vehicles are allowed on the strike line! What would the difference be if I had a car parked out on a strike line with a similar tarp over it to protect it while I was on strike and sat in my car with the door open? Strikers and protesters sit in their cars all the time on strike lines 24/7. Just because they have a crew and I am one should not change the rights to strike and protest like they do.


For the record Dan you got your facts wrong again. I have not been present with my tarp arrangement 6 years. The tarp was added last fall to block the weather. I have been sitting where I have since the concrete bench was moved allegedly to allow for the City directory sign. That sign has been there at least three years as I have it.

Prior to last Fall I used umbrellas for protection. Get your facts straight “Oh Great Omniscient One”! Look at the pictures in Flickr with their time stamps!

“Time to usher him to the next level!!!”

Yes it is time that the City own up to its dereliction of law enforcement protection and set me back up in business and a life style commensurate with Naperville’s “standards” so I can live a more normal, productive and longer life in the future as others who have come here have intended to.


It is time Naperville goes after the crooks that cheated me and press the law on them and make them pay up not only for their concupiscence with the Devil but also for the damages to my life and health and reputation that this kind of protest and life style has forced me into and taken its toll… Reparation for lost wages and income this last ten years as well.


“Joe in regards to your final sentence I couldn't more strongly disagree..Live and let live will be to Live and let die.”

Dan we all will live and die it is just a matter of time for each of us unless, of course, Christ comes to resurrect those of us who believe and trust in HIS Grace before that point of death. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. It is not your right to accelerate someone’s life to death however! You do that when you don’t deal with the facts and hide in your psychosis!


Scott M. Huber
9:07 PM CDT
9-6-09

Everyone knows that storage units in Naperville are controlled by the Establishment, answering only to the CIA. And the World Bank. And the Illumanati.
That's what's going on here.

Original Joe on September 6, 2009 3:14 PM

Joe take this to my email and we can go from there!

Scott M. Huber
4:02 PM CDT
9-8-09

Anonymous on August 27 on September 6, 2009 6:21 PM

>>“Of course Mr. Huber fails to mention that prior to his first introduction to the legal system in 1988 his store was already closed.”

What has my legal experience have to do with my store closing. Simply put I no longer needed the store! Big deal! The date you state for my first introduction again shows you don’t know what you are talking about. It also suggest that you are still illegally entering my restricted areas at “The Porcupine Quills” from which you are Banned! Just another notch in the chances you will be convicted of computer fraud!

>>“He had moved his equipment into the residential rental unit from where he was evicted for failure to pay $1500 worth of rent.

Again big deal! Most home offices move equipment into them when they serve a dual purpose! You forgot the word alleged in the total! You also assume that the rental unit owner was legitimate! Do your homework Oh “Great Omniscient One”!…but not in “The Porcupine Quills restricted areas….Capisci AKA Capisce???


>>“Then he lost his storage unit for failure to pay about a year's worth of rent.”

Again alleged!

>>“Then he lost his "cover" storage unit for neither he nor his "cover" paying rent there either.”

That is news to me. Looks like this guy is Rent-A-Space or is working for them as he seems to have access to “facts” that even I am not aware!

>>“He expected his landlords to continue to extend to him space without payment“

Oh “Great Omniscient One“ you don‘t know what you are talking about! You had better go back to school and learn how to be “Omniscient”!

>>“He says he wanted them to work out something with him. However, during the time he had nothing to offer them. He sought donations without success.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” you definitely have to go back to “Omniscience School”!
Your wrong again!

Selah!

Scott M. HuberScott M. Huber
4:25 PM CDT
9-8-09

Mr. Huber

You forget that there is a whole stream of public documents out there. There are the pleadings in your eviction case as well as the judgment finding that you were delinquent $1500 in rent. There are the allegations that you made in your federal case against Judge Moy and your landlord. There are even the pleadings in your case against Bolingbrook that also got summarily axed by a federal district judge. You ramble a lot in all of these public documents. The admissions are telling.

Further, you state that the City put your store out of business. In fact, your storefront failed. You fail to also mention that your home occupation failed to meet the requirements of the Naperville Zoning Code, although the city did not seek to have your business declared an illegal zoning use.

Today I had the pleasure of meeting Mr.Scott Huber. From all the hubbub I thought it was time to meet him front and center. He seemed rather knowledgeable and polite. His "striking quarters" appeared to be organized though out of character for our gleaming downtown district.

With over 400 entries here I am surprised that there are not more folks concerned about this rather "unique character" Naperville can call their very own. This gentleman is going on 60 years old and has already recognized the need for personal medical care. General medical care such as dentistry, physicals, blood testing, and general evaluations that "most take for granted" are out of grasp for this man.

Many that reside in our great city are truly blessed in so many ways. Is it too much to ask those with so much to help this gentleman in small ways. Must we cast a "critical eye" at how he conducted himself in the business world. Only to add to the "made up hysteria" by pushing him out of town.

Compassion without judgement is a lesson my mother always taught me. A lesson that can bring peace to this ever desperate world.


In conclusion Scott it was a pleasure meeting you today, I will make sure our paths cross again.

By Just a regular guy from Napertucky @ glad to be here!!

It's no ones fault, but Scott that he's in this situation! We don't owe him anything! If you feel this way pay for his medical bills then! I sure will not!

I think we should support Scott Huber as a mentally ill person. He is a parnoid schziophrenic as diagnoed by Dan, a few others and I. I will continue supporting him with cash contributions and a comforter.

No mentally ill person knows he is ill. So in fairness to Mr. Huber he is not lying when he says he is healthy, he truly believes it. Just like he believes he had 2 million in that storage shed when he probably had 20,000 at most. Just like he believed they screwed him, when he screwed them for 1500 dollars by not paying a measley amount of rent for 15 months. Who in his right mind would not find a way to come up with 100 dollars a month to save 2,000,000? Think about that. Only a mentally ill person would not find a way to come up with a 100 bucks to save 2 million dollars. Seriously!

I have studied his legal situation very thoroughly and he does not have a legal case. His business was in Lemont, not Naperville, and the latter city even let him operate out of his home while looking the other way.

He has no legal argument against the Jackson Storage Warehouse. He was forcing them to be charitable towards him. You can not force charity. The courts will never support him.

Anyone can see his delusion from the fact that he thinks he has gates and fences around what he writes. He even attacked his former number supporter that being ME.

Everyone wants to be the Napergate Man. But what everyone fails to understand is if you are going to take City Hall down as he did, you have to document a real case of a real crime that the City committed or perpetuated. It appears the City committed no crime against Mr. Huber while allowing him to live on the sidewalk illegally as he is protesting justice which he received fairly from the "sometimes or often" corrupt Dupage Judicial System. It seems like they even gave him the benefit of the doubt when they realized he was mentally handicapped.

People like Furstenau and Huber make wild allegations that they can not support let alone prove in a court of law. Huber appears to distort in his mind the facts and than believes the distortions he fabricates while hallucinating. CM Bob I believe has him figured out to the tee. Furstenau may have not hit a cop but he should have let it go knowing he had no proof and a "he said, she said" case will get you nowhere.

In summary, this thread was awesome. It proved that the City did not wrong Mr. Huber. If I, the most anti-establishment person in Naperville, say that, you can be assured it is correct and true.

Let us move on to the next subject if Mr. Huber refuses psychological or psychiatric help. He deals with the elements better than anyone I know including Mt. Everest climbers so why are we so worried about him.