http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/2536270,6_1_NA27_BOARDING_S1-100727.article

I wonder if the City had this ordinance when Scott lived in the boarding house whether Scott would be homeless or still operating his business.

I happened to see this while researching a related issue. Had the homeless man a good lawyer he might have been able to stop the process and over-ride the laws. Apparently there aren't enough homeless advocates around or he chose not to seek them out. I'm not a lawyer but I follow homeless issues quite a bit. While there may be issues as to any precedent set had the homeless man won, any lawyer or judge knows how to deal with them. As for the ordinances cited on this page, they are highly contestable as discriminatory. Any time you walk down the street your progress might be blocked by well heeled pedestrians, cars in various places, abandoned bikes, strollers, leashed dogs, outdoor tables, hot dog vendors, etc. The only people who complain about these things are considered public nuisances. But let someone among the least fortunate do what they naturally need to do (rest, sleep, habitate) when it's already legally established that the homeless have such rights, and up goes a page of heated debate from what one might assume are the city's intelligent saying things like, "Let him pay taxes or everyone can do it!" Seriously?! Which of you would be the first to join! I can understand the necessity of taking action against worst case scenarios. There are many that cannot otherwise be helped. But by accounts I read here, this isn't someone who jumps in front of you and intimidates or shames you. He was just there, fighting for his dignity. And if I have it correctly, then I don't know what some of you have for a religion, but i don't think God is very happy with you.

NO! He should be able to stay. He isn't bothering anyone, so why did Naperville kick him out. This just goes to show how stuck up Naperville is. Ugh...

Every time I have gone out dt naper I notice more and more how much the city improves and what not. Coming from california and arizona i have noticed how much naperville has been trying to make the name for its self as the orange county or scottsdale of illinois...regardless, go to any one of those areas and sure enough you will see plenty of 'bums' out on the streets...many of which are not fighting for anything...
i think what scott is doing is harmless and it gives the city character...so hes not paying taxes or anything...i guarantee you the people that are complaining of that are the ones with the insanely large houses, nice cars, etc...go ahead, get rid of all of your materialistic objects and you too can go live in a tent somewhere...i bet you you wouldnt last a week...scott is ONE person living downtown there...he is not harming anyone..go talk to him for a change..he really is rather interesting and informative... good luck scott!!
-Little Mermaid Blanket :)

Another article about people who had the very same complaints as Scott Huber about his former landlords. Let's not try to paint Mr. Huber with such a broad brush. It appears that he is not out of reality concerning his complaints on this topic.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1962169,6_1_NA29_BOARDING_S1-091229.article

Fun Fact: the movie 2012 was accually based off what will happen to naperville once Scott leaves!!! You have doomed yourselves you silly incolent hogs!!! Forgive me but, "it seems that in Naperville, it's not VALUES but VALUED!! it seems someTHING, not someONE is out of wack!" I quote John Q. for a reason. If you satinist loyalists would watch anything other than your portfolios grow on Mad Money with Jim Cramer (weeknights at 11) you would be well aware of this!! I have given up Naper"Kille the homeless", you are no longer worthy of my coverted wise words to live by!! I bit you farewell...for I am only a humble prophet... Amos if you will...

WIAA –

Try to read through this entire thread for some semblance of a summary of Huber’s claims. A few people tried to dig through his posts on-line and also spoke with him in an effort to figure this out. I don’t know if any of them were particularly successful.

I believe it was mentioned in here somewhere that at one time he attempted some court action but was unsuccessful and blamed the court or the judge for being biased against him.

The bottom line is that the city isn’t responsible for Huber’s home eviction, not responsible for Huber losing his belongings in a storage unit (for failure to pay the rent - twice), and also not responsible for Huber’s belongings being stolen or broken from his encampment on Chicago Ave.

Huber is either smart enough and sane enough to bring up First Amendment issues believing that the fear of legal action will allow him to freeload in Naperville indefinitely; or, he’s transferring the blame for his own actions to the city in an irrational manner because it allows him to cope with his current situation. We may never know.

I support Huber being allowed to protest whatever he wants, but the encampment had to go. I also don’t think the city council went far enough when they crafted the new law – what makes the downtown area more special than my neighborhood? Why is Huber camping on my street corner more tolerated than on Chicago Ave? Make the ban city-wide.

T.B.

It is an eyesore and should not be tolerated - same as if I were not to mow my lawn for 3 months and piled my garbage on my lawn. I would not get by with that for a month let alone 8 years. I own my property, pay taxes, and don't waste all my time fighting the government over every little gripe that I also have - you have to get on with your life.
I know some of the supporters are College students as I once was. I also felt myself to be part of the community of my college, but I was a non tax paying transient as a student, only staying there for 4 years. As student we didn't pay the bills - we were quick to protest over loss of rights. And that was a good thing to do, but in my opinion Scott has infringed upon the rights of the good tax paying citizens of this community.
We have been more than patient in enduring his abuse for 8 years. Scott has much misplaced energy - he fights the community for which we volunteer, work and pay taxes.
Scott needs to get on with his life -

It was great to see the Trib reporting that Huber has multiple arrest's in three different counties. This guy has been a trouble maker for a while. His obvious mental condition demands that he pushes himself in situations that garner attention.

More negative information on Scott's landlord. Doesn't seem like Scott is having problems dealing with reality on this topic to me.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1884637,6_1_NA15_BOARDING_S1-091115.article

Can anyone summarize the essence of the protest advanced by Scott M. Huber? Over the course of 8 years, Scott himself may have lost track of his own purpose for protest and the grounds that substantiate his claims.

I have invested more than 2 hours in following Scott's FLICKR postings, and I have yet to find a single salient point from Scott that would justify Scott's demands that the City of Naperville "set him back up with his business and compensate him for his losses" (from The Sun article by Katie Foutz in the Sunday 11/8/09 edition). The article goes on to mention that Scott operated his electronics business in Lemont "before he went mobile" and that Scott's 1999 eviction from his home (in Naperville) was related to a $1K+ collection action by Ameritech.

I wonder if Scott believes that the City of Naperville is to blame for either his business failure or his eviction? Doubtful. Despite the sometimes rambling nature of his FLICKR postings, Scott appears too intelligent for such an irrational claim. So I can only guess that Scott believes that the City of Naperville failed to protect him from an unlawful eviction? This might present legitimate grounds for protest, but even more so for legal action for a violation of Scott's rights as a tennant under Illinois law (where the appropriate venue is the Courts rather than a sidewalk and where restitution can be legally awarded rather than extorted under the guise of protest?). Yet nowhere in the numerous articles and extensive blog postings involving the Scott Huber "protest site" controversy is the MESSAGE of Scott Huber's protest ever delivered (much less supported). Not even a picket sign?

So in the interest supporting Scott's 1st Ammendment Rights to protest (which I firmly support), does anyone else want to know "What's It All About" (WIAA)? What is the PROTEST MESSAGE? Isn't it the MESSAGE that Scott and his friends really care about? So let's hear the PROTEST. Or has that reason been lost over the years?

That's OK if the reason for protest is long forgotten, Scott could protest the unlawful practice of eminent domain upon public lands by a private citizen for personal gain (an encampment residence at no cost to that private citizen) and to the detriment of the public's right of enjoyment of and access to those lands (see Dan's OCT 28th post above). Or does this sound like an endless "do"-loop?

Regardless the fuzzy MESSAGE, Scott's decision to remove his encampment yet maintain a daily and temporary protest site, even if simply to protest a lack of Orwellian Newspeak in Naperville politics, should be saluted.

D-Town Mom wrote:
"Or are you comparing Scott Huber to, and let me do your "genious writing" justice by quoting you..."a pile of junk, not a fellow being."

I think you read that differently than I did. I believe Naperville Mom was saying that the problem at the site is the pile of junk that is there. Not Scott Huber himself. Her exact words were "The problem is the pile of junk, not a fellow human being that is on the street."
While it could maybe have been written more clearly, I do believe in this case she was disparaging the junk, not the man.

I agree that Scott has the right to protest all he wants. He can sit, stand, whatever there without all of his stuff. I think if he managed that. he would actually find more people on his side than he has when all of his stuff was there.

Huber ordinance:

2.2 No person shall store, accumulate, mass together and maintain personal property such as supplies, goods, clothing, personal effects upon a public way within the Downtown.

Camping: The use of public property or public ways for living accommodation purposes such as sleeping activities, or making preparations for sleeping, or storing personal belongings, or making a fire or using a device to provide heat, or using any tent or other temporary shelter outdoors.

On 2-2. I am assuming that the city, in its desire to maintain the vitality of the downtown distinct, will NOT ticket people who have just purchased a large number of goods and are sitting on a bench. It certainly seems as if they could and should be fining those people, but maybe enforcement of this law will be selective. Perhaps all 4 items of the AND clause must be broken before there is a violation of the law.

On Camping. Where is the OR acting? Is it after "such as" giving examples of living accommodations or is it acting after "for"? The difference is huge. I read OR as functioning after "such as". If the law is written after "for", I hope my umbrella doesn't count as a temporary shelter. It certainly could be.

How often can someone be fined? The law is clearly unclear. I know it says "Each day that a violation of this Section continues shall be considered a separate and distinct offense." That really doesn't answer the question. Continues is used several places which seems quite vague.

Do someone's belongings have to be removed permanently or does moving them now make them ineligible for removal for another 7 days after the belongings reappear? What if the property in question is someone else's? Say CIJ buys all of Mr. Huber's belongings and lends them right back to Mr. Huber. To whom is the property personal?

City, please be careful with appropriate and fair enforcement of this ordinance.

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Time to power wash naperville's dignaty too...
well done guys, you did it! you took and man on the curb and kicked him off the curb...Ha! only in naperville...

Naperville Mom??? Is it really you??? I was begining to think you had run out of patheticly pointless arguments but I never should have doubted you! Let me just say that you're sarcastic example of the city removing your "playset" was just so histarical. Really, all of us are cracking up...oh, what's that?? this just in..WE'RE LAUGHING AT YOU, NOT WITH YOU!!! What kind of a hopelessly feckless example is that? Are you saying you want kids playing on top of "Mount Huber" (his humble tent that teaches us all how to reuse household items that the "careing mothers" of naperville dump after a week and build a revolutionary living establishment out of it)??? Or are you compariong Scott Huber to, and let me do your "genious writing" justice by quoting you..."a pile of junk, not a fellow being." I can't say I'm suprised that you would say such a thing considering you've made it quite clear to all of us that you have no morals what-so-ever. Let me conclude by asking you to TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE and stop wasting your time and "obvious talent for blogging" and move on with your life! AS FOR THE REST OF YOU HOGS...Scott Huber will continue to live in the hearts of all those who have half a heart and is always welcome in Darien!!!

I drove by the encampment on Sunday and saw a clean sidewalk at last. What happened to the court fight? What happened to the lawsuits? What happened to the millions it was going to cost us just to have the rule of law around here? Bye bye, Scott. Continue your protest within the law and I'm on your side, but the camp had to go.

T.B.

Has he been issued any tickets?

Well whats the good news this beautiful Saturday morning! Is Scott finally gone with his citation!!!!!! Rejoice! Rejoice!

I feel excitement in the air! Bye Bye Scott! One ticket,please get the hint and leave for good and don't be defiant towards the Police! Time to power wash the sidewalk!

I feel excitement in the air! Bye Bye Scott! One ticket,please get the hint and leave for good and don't be defiant towards the Police! Time to power wash the sidewalk!

It's Huber Day!!!!!!!!!!!

How many times will Huber need to be ticketed before he is hauled way for being a scofflaw?

I am considering installing a child playset next to the pile of junk on Chicago Ave. I wonder how long it would take for the city to remove the playset? I could have my family say we are protesting the fact that the city made me put a wheelchair accessable door in my powder room. That is how silly this "protest" is. Most homeless people do not have a generator, laptop or website. The problem is the pile of junk, not a fellow human being that is on the street. If you are truly protesting Scott, you need to be out of your shelter and picketing. If you hate Naperville so much why do you stay? This "protest" is a great diservice to the many needy families in Dupage county who are truly homeless. I think 8 years of sleeping sitting upright is long enough. Life is too short. Best of luck in future.

You guys are silly!

I'm surprised that this is still active! There was one point I wanted to raise before it died off so I still have that opportunity.

No matter how one feels about this ordinance, I think there is an issue here that should be taken seriously enough to investigate.

Mr Huber claims he is protesting against predominantly our city and county legal systems for unequal protections under the law, biased treatment by law enforcement and the judicial system and so forth. He feels these issues impacted his ability to regain a productive life.

Now whether one wishes to believe him or not it still needs to be investigated to ensure the safety of all of us.

The fact is, those members of our legal system are granted power that is above that of the average citizen to ensure our safety. And while we all would like to believe that those we have entrusted with that power would not abuse it, but the fact is one simply has to read the news to find several recent articles reporting those entrusted with that power brutally abusing it, in effect making those that are to enforce the law, criminals themselves. While these recent reports are in the spotlight the main reason they are so is that they have been caught on tape and witnessed by multitudes of people, the providing the victim of this type of abuse with rock solid evidence of it.

How though would one who didn't have that type of evidence deal with that type of abuse, it would seem to me without that very public spotlight and protection, it would be quite easy for those with that kind of power to destroy ones life if they tried to prosecute something like that.

Think about it....our legal officials are entrusted with that power, we trust them, their superiors trust them, so who do you think would be believed if there was no camera's or witnesses.

We need to ensure those types of things don't happen here, that we hold our legal officials to that trust to serve and protect, and at the slightest hint of abuse or corruption the offender should be permanently barred from such a position of trust and control for life

The clock is ticking down on a joyous occasion!

Drove by the Huber encampment this afternoon - looks like a junk pile that should be investigated by the board of health.

Did you read the editorial about the boarding houses and the statements made by prior tenants?

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/opinions/1857875,6_4_NA01_EDITORIAL_S1-091101.article

Sure sounds like the conditions that Scott has said led to his failure to pay rent and his eventual eviction. Maybe Scott is more with it than people think.

Citizen Investigative Journalist, on October 28, 2009 4:06 AM

I am glad you are done playing the guessing game

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Just like you wrongfully maintaining that I worked for the city legal department?

More on the Boarding House where Mr. Huber used to live.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1851914,Former-tenant-criticizes-city_na102909.article

Yes, Scott because of some forward thinking people you do have some rights granted to you as a citizen of this great country. Freedom of Speech has been granted, the pursuit of religion and so on.

You on the other hand are practicing eminent domain. This right is given to the government to capture land for a betterment to the public. Real estate can be acquired by the government at a fair price.
You have captured space for your own betterment a detriment to the public for nothing, in essence a squatter!

The Constitution gives you rights so that you can become a productive citizen and add to the greatness of this country in a multitude of ways. One of those ways doesn't include panhandling and taking up free space.
So Scott, quote the great philosophers, the Constitution and the the Bible. Cloak yourself in the protection of rights given to you, but know in the end you are not living in the SPIRIT of these great teachings. You are merely surfing atop the good deeds and struggles of others.

I bid you once again to pick up your shanty and sweep the area you have camped clean of your existence. Join productive society and stop using the Constitution and it's beautifully written Bill of Rights as your toilet paper.

By Experienced on October 25, 2009 12:11 PM
This is interesting. These are the people you rented to and evicted Scott Huber at their North St. property.

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Your wording was terrible and vague.

I thought you were talking to ME since I pulled the thread out of the archives and was the last blogger.

You need to be more clear if you want people to understand what you are saying.

Do you really think this one sentence is clear?

What do you mean "these are the people you rented to" since you state you are speaking to Mr. Huber and not ME. I did not think Mr. Huber was a landlord renting space.

I am a landlord who rents apartments so I thought you were once again trying to play the guessing game as to who I am.

I am glad you are done playing the guessing game and I apologize for misunderstanding your very vague comment...

CIJ

Citizen Investigative Journalist on October 26, 2009 6:57 PM

Experienced

You love to speculate as to who I am even though you are clueless.

Let not forget you recently condemned me for daring to speculate on your perceived abilities and opinions.

Why practice hypocrisy in the Nth Degree and then attempt to play me as the bad person....lol....

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Now, this is interesting. I make my first comment on the HOMELESS thread. One that is favorable to Mr. Huber and in support to his claims about his former landlords. I am relating the recent news article to Mr. Huber that most people would not have done. I don't even mention you. So, where does this comment come from? I haven't mentioned your identity for months. I am discussing Mr. Huber only.

But, by inserting yourself into the conversation, you have now detracted against the positive light that I tried to put Mr. Huber in. If the Sun article is correct, maybe Mr. Huber is not as mixed up as some people might want to portray. But, it's not about Mr. Huber is it? It's about you as always.

Experienced

You love to speculate as to who I am even though you are clueless.

Let not forget you recently condemned me for daring to speculate on your perceived abilities and opinions.

Why practice hypocrisy in the Nth Degree and then attempt to play me as the bad person....lol....

Love You Not,
CIJ

This is interesting. These are the people you rented to and evicted Scott Huber at their North St. property.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/1844500,6_1_NA25_BOARDING_S1-091025.article

Mr Huber is truly a nice man not causing trouble for anyone in a town where the average family income was $149,500 in 2006. A very wealthy and fortuante town like Naperville should show more compassion to a HOMELESS STRIKER living on "fumes."

While he may have had one or two delusional moments in the past, for the most part it seems like his bearings and screws are in real good shape.

I was impressed with his mannerisms when he spoke before City Council on Tuesday. He was almost eloquent even though he is constantly interrupted.

The man is not messy. He smells good. His encampment does not look that bad. He keeps it neater than most of us keep our homes especially considering it is outside in the elements.

How can one not admire the courage of a HOMELESS STRIKER who literally weathers the winters of Naperville? Not one but eight and going on nine. He is truly an amazing man whose courage we need to learn to admire.

When you pass by him try to think of his courage. Do not judge him by the looks of his outdoor encampment. Judge him by his kindness. Judge him by his intelligence. Think of him as a Santa Clause who needs help so he can one day give back.

I am sure he wishes he could have collected a Big Fat Pension at age 52 and been spared of this predicament he is in. But I guess he was not dealt the right cards in life.

I did visit him with a small donation after the City Council meeting and he was very appreciative and thankful. I told him he did a great job before the City Council. He thought he did too.

He asked me who I was and I declined to tell him. I did not stick around to chat with him because it was pouring rain. If he had a bigger encampment I would have brought coffee for us and joined him in a conversation in his tent. I can not imagine how exciting that could be. Some world leaders like to meet in tents.

He appreciates the kind female Naperville Police Officer who brings him big containers of hot soup in the winter to keep him warm. Other police officers have offered him to come to the NPD and warm up on very cold days. So the police don't hate him and he does not hate the police. He only hates that the police did not properly investigate his case against the storage company that evicted him, at least in his mind and conscience wrongfully, because he fell behind on his rent. They threw his belongings away before he had a chance to retrieve them. He had no money and simply could not pay them. Poor people should not be treated in this manner. They need to be helped until they can get back on their feet. Was the storage company going to file bankruptcy over a $100 dollar per month storage shed that he had fallen behind on? What is another month or two to see if he could raise some funds to pay them? How about giving the man a 50% discount until he can get back on his feet? Or a few months extension.

Anyway while driving home I had this great feeling I helped a real Santa Clause with a real white beard and a real big heart with a real big smile. At least I knew my money went to a great cause. I am looking forward to visiting him again and giving him another donation.

When I give my apartment renters a break when they fall behind or lose a job, I find they eventually find a way to catch up. They see I am working with them and double their efforts to work with me. In 30 years, I have never had to evict a renter. Kindness begets kindness!

One reason Mr. Huber is HOMELESS is he does not want to mooch off the taxpayers. Now who can argue about a Santa Clause trying to keep our real estate tax bills from increasing. God Bless Him and maybe our council members can take a lesson from him in frugality.

When I give, I like to know where my money is going. I do not like to donate to large organizaions who give 75%-90% of my money to their administrators. I refuse to give to PigFest Organizers since they abuse POLICE OT and have over a million dollars in the bank last time I checked. For what reason may I ask are they hoarding so much money if they are a charity. People are suffering while they are keeping a big bank account. Never thought charities operated in this manner.

I encourage people not to give to any Charity Organizations like the PigFest that abuses not only taxpayer money but is very inefficient with collected donations.

Kudos to Mr. Huber.

Hang tough against those "ARISTOCRATIC CORRUPT ELITISTS" as you call the ESTABLISHMENT FOLKS who are picking on you a HOMELESS STRIKER.

I can't wait to see Mr. Huber again. Hopefully, he won't ask me who I am and I will visit him frequently.

Thanks!

CIJ

I think that socially, its important to realize that at some point, everyone has struggles and challenges that they need help with. Indeed I also agree that the street is not the best place for Mr Huber, but I wonder what other facilities (alternate) exist in Naperville which I suspect is probably not setup to deal with many homeless people (or perhaps any ?) Perhaps if the many people who posted here took so much interest in Mr Hubers wellbeing (as opposed to his physical location) then I doubt we would even be discussing this.

I think may people in Naperville need to remember what the REAL world is like, I think Mr Huber being on the street is a stark (and useful) reminder that there is a world outside of this suburb - and it may not be pretty. Consider yourself lucky to be living here, and only having to walk past Mr Huber.

To anonymous on October 9, 2009 11:40 PM,

"I think this is exactly what Mr Huber does all the time, as he spins his story about personal victimization by others, never taking personal responsibility for his own past and future."

That is definitely a possibility but whether it is or it isn't is irrelevant because the ordinance did not say that only people with a VALID, ACCURATE, AND SUBSTANTIATED protest/complaint may sleep/camp in the downtown area. One's reasons (real or imagined) don't matter.

OJ says:

"A lot of the time people deflect their own internal anger of themselves at easier targets and come up with tons of hypocrisy to justify it."

I think this is exactly what Mr Huber does all the time, as he spins his story about personal victimization by others, never taking personal responsibility for his own past and future.

Good luck, Mr. Huber. I hope you can see that there are services to help you. If you accept such help, then things might change for you, get you on your way to an independent lifestyle rather than living on handouts while fighting windmills.

Sorry Kat, but you’ll have to do better. An Oregon circuit court case has no precedent here. You need a case in the State of Illinois (if a State case) or the 7th Circuit or Supreme Court case (if federal court). Your Oregon case just doesn’t matter here.

Personally, I think the ordinance didn’t go far enough. Why is camping out in front of my house any more tolerable than camping downtown? Why is one section of the city protected and the rest not? This conduct should have been banned city-wide.

T.B.

By Judas Freak on October 9, 2009 8:10 AM
maybe Naperville should have setup some sort of organization to get people off the streets and into homes...for Christ's sake, Naperville doesn't even allow Section 8 Subsidized Housing...perhaps some reform of that nature would make it possible for Mr. Huber to get away from Barnes and Noble and into a home and back in the workplace

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The organization is called PADS. It is a organization funded through United Way and the religious community. Mr. Huber disdains it.

Why do you think that there is no Section 8 in Naperville? There are 42 such units just at Fairways.

Nancy,

A lot of the time people deflect their own internal anger of themselves at easier targets and come up with tons of hypocrisy to justify it.

We hear how Scott is forcing people into the street to go around him: False. A downtown business just to his west forces that as evidenced by the photos.

We hear how it's about law and order and since he's breaking the law it's contributing to chaos. I wonder how many times Dan has mailed in his $75.00 each time he commits a driving infraction such as going 1 mph over the speed limit. If he doesn't, he's a hypocrite and contributing to the Anarchy he pretends to be so against. I'm beginning to suspect Dan's anger and vilification of Scott is because he can't deal with his own emotions about his own relative that was homeless and died. That or he really is more affiliated with the downtown businesses than he pretends to not be or both.

We also hear about how Scott being there is bad for business but we have no one put forth a quantifiable dollar figure and any testimony to back it up other than a couple of business owners who say they don't like him there but can not qualify it any more than a personal feeling.

By Judas Freak if you don't like Naperville,never come here please!Where do you live lovely Bolingbrook??

When Scott gets removed in a month or so we can all stand there with his whining sympathizers and sing!

Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

By Anonymous: Scott has no legal basis for a law suit! Why should he sue anyway???

I guess what it really boils down to is not the right to 'protest' or 'Freedom of Speech', but the right to be homeless in Naperville.

Mr. Huber has not held a job for at least eight years, he has no direct means of support other than the generosity of passers-by. Mr. Huber has no home and pays no taxes. He's basically a vagrant who found the spot outside the parking garage on Chicago Avenue to be a very profitable gig; he receives enough money or necessities from generous folks to sustain him and, as far as I know, he has Naperville to himself, unlike the homeless in Chicago. Apparently he has enough pride that he doesn't want to be considered just a homeless vagrant, so he does everything under the guise of a 'protest'. That's to save face. If you think of it from Mr. Huber's point of view, then downtown Chicago is chock full of protestors - they just move from one location to another.

So... in that light, is it against the law to be homeless in Naperville? Are people against the fact that Mr. Huber is homeless or are they upset that he has remained in the same location for eight years?

Some interesting reading:

http://www.nationalhomeless.org/publications/crimreport/casesummaries_1b.html

By Emily Give him a break for what reason???? There is none!!!

It still would be easier to build a flower planter in his current location and force him to move on.

I hope Scott Huber finds an attorney to take his case, sues the city and loses.

By Original Joe on October 8, 2009 5:21 PM

Kat/Dan, What is the distance one must 'travel' or 'move' to be compliant? Is it stated? 6 inches? 2 feet? 1 block?

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OJ,

The way I understand it is he can move to the other side of the garage and back every other day and he will be on HIGH HOLY GROUNDS.

As I have always predicted, our City Officials opened another Napergate Style Case that will cost us another potential 10 million bucks. The reason I say that is our City Officials due to Big Egos simply don't give up easily when shown to be wrong. It is easy to spend our money to try to prove they are right when they are in fact wrong. It does not cost them a penny. They are not phased by $14.1 million defict in the operating budget, a $20.55 million pension investment loss, or a $120 million accrued aturarial pension liability deficit. Do you think they would be phased in any way if they lost $10 million on a legal battle against Mr. Huber? They know the residents in this town are sleepy. They hid and buried $10 million before and can do it again. Who is going to stand up to them? Opinion Editor Tim West? When he tried in the Napergate Fiasco they blew on him like you would blow on a candle and he backed down immediately like a baby kitten(don't want to use that P word).

Do you think they would have spent 10 million dollars on the Napergate Case if it was their money at stake instead of ours? They were so embarrassed and humiliated they destroyed or lost the records including the legal costs. Almost unbelievable! To this date they refuse to be held accountable and the community has let them slide....something I won't!

Imagine what kind of cases an experienced attorney can find in defense of Huber v. Naperville. While an attorney may be working pro bono for Mr. Huber, the minute he wins a financial judgment against City Hall he can take whatever percentage he has worked out with Mr. Huber....usually and typically 33.33% of the judgment.

I really see a blood bath of a battle here if Mr. Huber does find a good Civil Rights Attorney or if the ACLU decides to represent him. I see a $10 million loss easily in legal fees and judgments unless Margo Ely steps up to the plate and decides to do some work instead of the traditional farming to outside legal firms.

Changing subjects, I think some downtown establishments like Bar Louie support and are sympathetic to Mr. Huber. Managers and employees at Bar Louie address him as Mr. Huber and even bring him food as a result of wrongful orders or left overs. One time a manager spent an hour talking with him along with myself. I could tell he genuinely cared for him.

On the other hand the arrogant owner of the Comedy Shrine genuinely hates him and I will be boycotting his business forever. He has put a lot of pressure on the City Council according to my sources....more than anyone else in the downtown.

CIJ

Dan I read it that way too, but then after some further research I found this had gone to court and back a number of times then I from what I gathered reading it, it was completely overturned.

This in fact was not the only one I found, there are quite a few cases similar to this documented on the ACLU web site from I think around 2002 or so. I searched their site after finding them mentioned in a number of articles regarding this type of ordinance across the country,

Ken,

They all had a chance to weigh in with the Downtown Business groups which pushed Council for this.

Apple will still get my money, just not via Naperville Downtown. I'm not striking against the manufacturer, just the Naperville Store Fronts in the Downtown Area.

When people are shown how to get the same stuff drop shipped to their doorstep instead of paying the downtown taxes (and can even get it cheaper), they will. In this economy, price wins. Downtown Naperville store fronts are not the cheapest place to get something. 32 other families so far have been made aware of this who were not even aware of this whole thing going on and so far only 2 seemed to not care one way or the other.

Kat/Dan, What is the distance one must 'travel' or 'move' to be compliant? Is it stated? 6 inches? 2 feet? 1 block?

By Anonymous on October 8, 2009 2:09 PM
CIJ, hope your cough/cold is better!

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Have not had a cough or cold in over 3 years. I drink a lot of orange juice, and spend lots of time in the saunas, steam rooms, jaccuzzis and pools at the health clubs. Seems to be the magic formula.

It seems like Mr. Huber never has a cough or cold either. I guess he must have an awesome immune system that can weather germs as well as storms.

One of my young boys is got a nasty cough and cold. I guess germs are flying around the Naperville Schools unabated. I wish we could use some of that tax money to kill the germs in these schools instead of for pensions after 30 years of teaching...some as high as 85% of the average final 4 years of salary after 25% bumps in the final years of employment.

I'll tell my son you hope he is feeling better.

Thanks for your concren even though you appear to have the wrong person as everyone else the last 3.5 years....lol...

It is nice to be Anonymous in this crazy world even though I have a HANDLE that only identifies me in the BLOGOSPHERE UNIVERSE!

CIJ

Kat..on the contrary, thank you for finding the case. It's nice to read some legal opinions.

Confusing conclusion, I am reading that you can camp, but no where permanently, that you have to keep "traveling".

How did you interpret the conclusion?

CIJ, hope your cough/cold is better!

Kat, as long as you jumped in, so will I. You were correct to say that the two cases are not the same; you would be even more correct to say the cases are completely different. The case you cited deals with people living in a vehicle, and moving around to different spots. Huber has been in the same spot for eight years, living on a public right of way. I dare say that Dan is correct as I have never seen a city lose one of these cases, and your research seems to prove that...

Joe, very few have your convictions, and I would venture to say that your one family strike is not going to break any merchant in the downtown area. It's kind of like my one family strike against a national chain. That chain is still in business, but I feel good about never eating there. While you and I feel good about not frequenting certain business, it really does not affect their bottom line.

Just out of idle curiosity, which electronics store owner from the downtown area (I wasn't even aware of one there) spoke against Huber? Why would a seemingly intelligent person such as you start a vendetta against a whole business area because a few of those business owners stated their opinion?

By kate! Her's part of the conclusion! So what the court is saying if the person moves from day to day and does not set up a permanent site they are fine,but if they continue to stay in one spot all the time they are in violation! So Scott should pack up and move from day to day with out setting up a permanent spot,which I see to be no problem,if he's actually homeless(not). What the conclusion also is stating setting up a permanent site is "intent" and moving day to day is not and Scott has caused "intent" So Scott should find a camp site somewhere and he is legally fine!

CONCLUSION

Individuals without a home must carry what belongings are necessary to survive, such as bedding and food, with them at all times, or store them in place to which they have access. The place where these belongings are kept is by law deemed to be a campsite. Every time a homeless person remains at that location, he is in violation. Those who carry their belongings on their person and move about day today, however, are not in violation; they have not exhibited required intent of ‘maintaining a temporary place to live.’

edo I agree! There is a loitering ordinance and Scott should have been arrested numerous times for that violation!!!!!!!!

KAT..nice find. I have looked and couln't find anything similar, so thank you.

I am confused by reading the conclusion, it seems to state as long as you keep moving your not in violation. Once you set up permentantly you are in violation.

Do you read it that way?

Once again, thank you. It's nice to see some facts.

Is everybody going crazy? Scott has been in Naperville longer than I have. He has never once done anything to hurt anyone, damage property, or make anyone uncomfortable. He lives in all of 5 square feet on a sidewalk. I'll admit, having a "homeless" man on the streets of precious, high-class Naperville does somewhat diminish it's charm, but who the hell cares. Whether he is actually protesting or not, I don't see why it is necessary for people to be so vindictive towards him. How about we show some compassion instead of living up to the "stuck-up rich folk" stereotype Naperville is so popular for. Give people a reason to believe that we have a humanitarian side that goes beyond throwing some extra change into charities every once in awhile. I'm only 17 years old and even I can see that this is constitutionally and morally unjust. Give the guy a break.

Bfife,

"go head and spend your money else where! I don't care and Naperville will not miss you and your money! The reason sales are down in Naperville and the downtown area is because of the economy and not the new ordinance to remove Scott once and for all!"
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According to the City, "the quality of life of the general public and the economic vitality of the downtown is significantly affected by persons camping or sleeping on the public way in the downtown as it damages otherwise positive and intended experiences."

We agree that the bad economy is what is driving sales into the crapper but the City and Downtown business groups said and implied otherwise.

I will disagree with you on whether Naperville will miss the retail (and tax) dollars. A $6K family technology overhaul budget of which Approximately $4k is still to be spent will instead be spent in another city and not downtown. At least $200 a week in eating out will no longer be spent in Naperville not even taking into account my wife's shopping habits at places like Williams S, Eddie Bauer, Barnes, Ann Taylor, C. Creek and Pottery Barn to name but a few.

Take into account that I'm not the only person in town that doesn't like to see people singled out and targeted when they have a multiple year history of not causing any problems; especially the ones that Downtown groups and City are trying to imply. Many people forget that there's also an unusually large subset of the population who have family members with diagnosed and even undiagnosed 'disorders' in this area and those groups don't look favorably on individually targeted actions against someone being scapegoated because many parents in those groups are always looking into the future in fear of how society might treat their family member if they wind up in any number of future circumstances. For the past 8 years there was tolerance and acceptance and many were very happy with that. Now, there is no more tolerance or acceptance and the Downtown business groups and City even took legal steps to make it known.

Yes, per Home Rule, they had the right to pass the ordinance (legality of it I'm not even going to touch; that's up to Mr. Huber and any attorney going forward) but shoppers are also within their legal right to determine who they financially wish to support as well.

Downtown Naperville has been transforming into "anywhere else USA" for the past decade. One doesn't have to go very far to get the same stuff elsewhere (even online) without the extra taxes.

By Dan on October 7, 2009 8:32 AM

"As far as the Federal Lawsuit...not happening. If you researched you'd find this has been held up every time. Huge difference's between the NaperGate case and this. CIJ I beckoned you to find a case in this country where this has been overturned. As a Pseudo Investigative Journalist I figured you might find one. Until you do so not gleefully wring your hands for more drama. That's it!"

And

By Dan on October 7, 2009 12:00 PM:

"Mr. or Ms. Pro Bono will look at all the case law established through out the country and come to the conclusion that I should fight something other than as been clearly decided."

Dan you are so going to hate me for this but you presented a challenge and I had to look and see if this truly had been upheld every time and I discovered it wasn't. I was only able to find a copy of the court opinion on a homeless advocate site, and normally I don't like to accept information that might be biased or appear so, but although that was the only place online I could find the actual ruling, I did find numerous references to it, including on findlaw.com so I believe it's legitimate.

The case is not exactly the same, but it's unlikely two cases would be exactly the same, but it is in fact quite similar.

http://www.dignityvillage.org/articles/gallagher.html

IN THE CIRCUIT COURT FOR THE STATE OF OREGON

FOR THE COUNTY OF MULTNOMAH

STATE OF OREGON

Plaintiff

V.

NORMAN D. WICKS, SR. and

NORMAN D. WICKS, JR.

Defendants

Case No. Z711742 & Z711743

OPINION AND ORDER GRANTING DEFENDENTS’ MOTION

TO HOLD PORTLAND’S CAMPNG BAN UNCONSTITUTIONAL

"content of the opinion and order, I edited this out to minimize the size of my post but it can be found at the above site, below I included the courts findings"

The ordinance is hereby found unconstitutional and defendants are found to be not guilty.

Dated this 27th day of September, 2000.

Honorable Stephen L. Gallagher, Jr.

original joe go head and spend your money else where! I don't care and Naperville will not miss you and your money! The reason sales are down in Naperville and the downtown area is because of the economy and not the new ordinance to remove Scott once and for all! I'm all for protesters and don't care if Scott carries a sign to protest everyday,but not to live on the the downtown public streets! Like I always say Naperville is in their legal right and home rule to pass the ordinance and Scott has no legal basis of any law suit!

Don't we have a loitering law in Naperville that can be implemented immediately with this guy???

original joe go head and spend your money else where! I don't care and Naperville will not miss you and your money! The reason sales are down in Naperville and the downtown area is because of the economy and not the new ordinance to remove Scott once and for all! I'm all for protesters and don't care if Scott carries a sign to protest everyday,but not to live on the the downtown public streets! Like I always say Naperville is in their legal right and home rule to pass the ordinance and Scott has no legal basis of any law suit!

Original Joe..you obviously don't listen. For every email and phone call Pro-Huberville that Council members received they received 50 against. I will take 50 happy shoppers over 1 discontented shopper any day.

Like I said before, I am not a retailer. Nor involved in DT at all. If I were I'd wouldn't want your dime.

There is nothing more satisfying than seeing an angry liberal.

So call your long haired Pro Bono attorneys. You think the Fed's would even look at this before it goes to the County and State courts?

Mr. or Ms. Pro Bono will look at all the case law established through out the country and come to the conclusion that I should fight something other than as been clearly decided.

Too funny, OJ. Unless you spend and unusually exorbitant amount of money downtown, your threat is empty...and funny.

With this law in place, are the police going to also enforce it against the people who leave blankets/chairs/etc as "holding spots" before the various city parades througout the year? Seems to me the law should be applied equally. What say you residents of Naperville?

CIJ and Original Joe..I've told you, I have no interest in downtown Naperville. I just like to visit and shop, eat and have a drink once and awhile. SO Joe ban yourself from the joys of downtown Naperville.

As far as the Federal Lawsuit...not happening. If you researched you'd find this has been held up every time. Huge difference's between the NaperGate case and this. CIJ I beckoned you to find a case in this country where this has been overturned. As a Pseudo Investigative Journalist I figured you might find one. Until you do so not gleefully wring your hands for more drama. That's it!

Scott stated he could not carry out an effective protest in the park...which really meant his cup won't over flow because of lack of pedestrian traffic during prime panhandling hours.

Anarchy roughly means people do what ever they want. The Council REJECTED that notion!

Dan,

Sleeping on public property is Anarchy? I missed that section in the Anarchist Cookbook. What page was it? Please, refresh my memory.

Yes, shopping and eating out for my family of 6 will go back to being out of town things going forward.

Keep us posted on how well business does. I'm guessing all that blowing around outside currently is really all the shopping dollars rolling into town with a lot of force now that the ordinance is passed. I must admit, I'm impressed with how quickly it seems to be working already.

You obviously have some vested interest in this to refer to the DT area as one of the best reasons to live in the area and by your other commentary on the blog. I'm quite pleased to know that you will not get one dime of mine in your register drawer from this day forward (or any of your member's drawers if you are with the Chamber of Commerce). You made your bed.

Original Joe..so they voted for law and order and now you're not going to shop and visit one of the best reasons to live in the area? No you're not bitter. Anarchy lost, and now shopping will be done somewhere else....makes sense.

To: Dan on October 6, 2009 8:26 PM

"David Sinker is calling Original Joe and CIJ out. He was wondering where you two were tonight? No one was there for him, not even you two. Conviction and follow through is tough isn't?"
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I don't believe I ever said I was going to the meeting tonight. It's rather difficult to be in two places at once in two different towns. If David Sinker is specifically calling me out over something I did not commit to then I believe David Sinker needs his own head examined for being delusional.

I plan on following through with exactly what I said I would do, or in this case, would no longer do.

Dan,
The nutty decision of the Council does not resolve anything.

CM Bob is recommending he move his encampment to Loomis and Franklin where it will be legal and near a park.

I recommend he move 150 feet East to the NE corner of Ellsworth and Washington where he will be among the friendly students of NCC.

Don't be so excited Dan as Mr. Huber threatend to take them to Federal Court and stick it to them. He will!

Need I remind you that about a decade and a half ago that the City Council and Mayor set up a Kangaroo Court for the Napergate Man, convicted him and revoked his liquor licenses. They thought they were on HIGH HOLY GROUNDS as they do now.

The Napergate Man defeated them over and over again in State and Federal Courts until they surrendered. We lost 10 million bucks and the City destroyed all the cost records pertaining to the case.

This new ordinance was discriminatory and directed against Mr. Huber specifically. CM Bob who is an intelligent attorney said so. I agree with him.

I think what separates the City fron another 10 million dollar defeat is one pro bono attorney willing to take on Mr. Huber's case. Mr. Huber has proved he can file lawsuits in both Dupage and Federal Courts. He has. And he will! He will cost the city tons of money.

What he is unable to do is WIN without an attorney. It really is way to difficult these days since you are dealing with a corrupt judicial system that is difficult for attorneys to navigate let alone civilians.

What is Margo Ely going to do next? Pass another ordinance that will extend the downtown boundaries so they will include Loomis/Franklin and Ellsworth/Chicago Ave? Honestly, how will that make us look as a City?

Anyone who thinks the City is not picking on this HOMELESS STRIKER in my opinion has very loose screws and supstairs.

The new ordinance mentions the economic vitality of the downtown. How is Mr. Huber affecting any businesses? He sits in front of a parking garage that is an eyesore and provides some color with his umbrella and encampment.

Mr. Huber is not affecting the vitality and economy of the downtown one iota.

Mr. Huber took my advice and showed some pictures showing how loose CM Doug Krauses screws are. He showed them on the projector.

The Tangerine Place eats the sidewalk till about 5 ft from the curb. Mr. Huber is away from the curb by about 20 feet. So with pictures as I suggested he showed the world how out of touch CM Krause was with his remarks.

Stop being a hateful guy. It ain't over until the old lady stops singing. She is still singing.

You obviously are a rookie resident who was not around in the Napergate Days to see a decision by a Kangaroo Council or Court can not stand the test of a real court of law. Read up on the history of the town and learn about their past decisions that have been overturned.

This ordinance was as a result of a conspiracy against a lonely stiking man. CM Bob admitted there were private e-mail exchanges in efforts to oust Mr. Huber specifically. He admitted this on videoptape surveillance.

Mayor George "Arthur" Pradel stated Mr. Huber is not HOMELESS. Thus admitting indirectly he is a legitimate striker.

The council screwed up just like in the Napergate Case. One day they will meet in Executive Session as they did in the Napergate Case and pulls the purse strings to end the battle of Huber v. Naperville when it reaches 8 figures.

Don't celebrate to early, Dan. The battle has just begun. You will be eating crow just like those City Officials who ate crow during the Napergate Case.

Or may OJ's dog poop since he is ready to bring it over.

The wake up call is for you, Dan!

Your blogs indicated you did not even know how to count in reverse. Your numbers were so off at times, I wondered if you were one of those Kindergarten Chidren the Moderator once pointed it out on this blog site.

Have a good one!

CIJ

Dan,

It's not my dog crap, but you are welcome to it. I think there is a mix of beagle and bichon. I'm not bitter, I think they acted in error and I choose to no longer be a part of it and grace the places they took this action in the name of (the downtown businesses). I'll also make it a point to inform as many people as I can of alternative businesses elsewhere that will also save them some coin.

Enjoy life down there Dan. Let us know how fast business takes off now that it's done.

6-1 in favor

WAKEUP! is here.

David Sinker is calling Original Joe and CIJ out. He was wondering where you two were tonight? No one was there for him, not even you two. Conviction and follow through is tough isn't?

Original Joe...Pickup after your dog will you? It figures you'd have a bunch of crap in front of your home.

Not about shop owners, not about protesting rights, it about camping and homeless on public property..

Sorry you are so bitter against the establishment Joe.

1 day and a Wakeup!

Mr. Huber,

Good luck tonight.

You should know that the decision against you has already been taken. It is 100% certain.

Why waste you time begging before these inhumane Council Members.

As I have told you before, go on the offensive and let them have it.

Accuse them of scapegoating you and utilizing you as a smokescreen for their serious fiscal irresponsibility.

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REMIND THEM:

1. That they have a $14.1 million operating budget deficit.

2. That they lost $20.55 million in their Police and Fire Pensions Funds.

3. They now have an Accrued Actuarial Pension Liability Deficit of over $120 million based on my personal rough estimates.

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Confront them, Mr. Huber. Ask them why these humongous losses are not of more importance than evicting you from a TINY piece of sidewalk.

Do not discuss your case as you will be inserting your foot in your mouth if you intend to pursue litigation. Loose lips sink ships, Mr. Huber. You know that so control your emotions and do not discuss your case. Everything you say will be videotaped and used against you my friend. Be wise...be brilliant!!!

Be smart like the Napergate Man. They tried to evict him and close his 2 stores, but instead of discussing his case he exposed corruption in City Hall and put them on the defensive. Later he beat them in a Court of Law where his case as well as your case should be handled.

Go on the offensive. Don't bother defending your right to PROTEST or STRIKE in front of public officials who already made their fateful decision because they need you as a HEADLINE in the Naperville Sun instead of a BUDGET DEFICIT or PENSION DEFICIT HEADLINE.

Folks,

If Chris Magee is not deleting my posts then we have a scenario where third party interference such as hacking is occurring on line or at the Sun it appears to me. The reason I have been posting duplicates of my posts here on Flickr is a direct response to the problem! However, the delays of posts here are provocative!

Scott M. Huber
1:45 PM CDT
10-6-09

To Anonymous on October 6, 2009 5:56 AM,

Dan is welcome to come camp on my parkway, complete with all the dog crap that people don't pick up.
How profitable are the businesses downtown right now? I highly doubt the struggling ones appreciate your arrogant attitude unless of course you want them gone too. Missing 10K annually from a single customer is a big deal especially in this economy. Should I tell them to thank the Comedy Shrine owner or the Hot Dog peddler ?

To Anonymous on October 6, 2009 8:31 AM,

He'll either choose to leave one day or be there until the day he dies.

Mr. Huber,

Doesn't the fact that the protest going on across the street from the White House for 28 years without resolution prove that it may not be an effective method? Wouldn't there be more effective methods without putting your entire life on hold and jeopardizing your health? I realize this is your choice. I realize you must be doing what you think is right or you wouldn't be doing it. But... don't you think there might be a better way to prove your point?

Original Joe on October 6, 2009 12:24 AM
To Anonymous on October 5, 2009 8:35 PM,

Just leave him alone. The "problem" will eventually solve itself and everyone can have 'clean hands'.

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Hi Joe. I'm trying to think of the likely scenarios and how they will play out if no action is taken.
1. Scott gets tired of protesting and leaves, or
2. He dies at the protest site.
(I don't think the storage facility settling, or the city somehow meeting his demands are very likely so they aren't mentioned as likely possibilities). Neither of these has happened in 8 years so the city is taking action. Similar to the red light cameras, it seems the city is using a sideways slant to this and doing it in the name of "safety", or "public interest". Don't know what the correct answer is, but this will be interesting to see it play out.

You may have answered this already, but with 600+ postings on this topic I'm curious about your take on how the "Problem will eventually solve itself" if left alone?

Folks,

This is my response to Moderator Mr. Magee:

Chris Magee:

It is obvious you have tilted the scales of this forum toward those who have made personal attacks on my mental health and you have not preempted those yet have preempted my comments when using justifiably the word such as Judas! Your silence on deleting my comments is deafening especially when you let the others know your position in deleting theirs!

My last post was 9-27-09 Chris that's ten days NOT weeks! The evidence is there that you have slanted this forum egregiously Chris!

Scott M Huber
12:11 PM
10-6-09

Folks,

The ordinance is clear. Three tickets and then an Injunction in Court. The City can remove property prior to court determination.

"4. No person shall be cited under this Section unless the person engages in conduct prohibited by this Section after having been notified by a law enforcement officer that the conduct violates this Section.

5. Any person who violates any provision of this Section shall be subject to a fine of $50.00 for a first or second offense within a 12-month period. Each day that a violation of this Section continues shall be considered a separate and distinct offense.

6. Any person who violates any provision of this Section, and who continues to violate any provision of this Section, may be subject to an injunction to enforce this Section."

The problem is that the ordinance is tailored after ordinances that are in context of dealing with the HOMELESS and are said to be Constitutionally correct in the Context of HOMELESS! I don't fall into the Context of HOMELESS but rather the CONTEXT of PROTESTER AND STRIKER! In this CONTEXT they legally cannot ticket me because Constitutionally the ordinance is not in compliance with Protesters and Strikers rights!

Scott M Huber
11:13 AM CDT
10-6-09

Here are some facts you need to see!...

The 28 year protest across the street from the White House on a public way and note the accoutrements!...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4fTCC478c&NR=1

They have been in Federal Court a few times to preserve the right and obviously won!

The Boeing strike on a public way and note the accoutrements!...

www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

My Protest Site on a public way...

liveshots.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/16/sidewalk-protest-o...;

Please keep in mind that the ordinance that the City of Naperville has crafted to vote on October 6, 2009 is designed based on national models dealing with the context of HOMELESS and perhaps other people setting up “Shop” in downtown areas not Protesters / Strikers! It may pass muster Constitutionally in the context of HOMELESS but it does not Pass Muster dealing with First Amendment Protesters / Strikers that applies to the City via the 14th Amendment.

The Washington DC protest is a good example! It is clear that if the City does pass this ordinance on October 6, 2009 it will only legally apply to NON Protesters / Strikers! If I am legalistically ticketed it will become a Federal issue and will be reviewed by Federal authorities.

It is clear that this Home Rule community cannot overstep the Federal Constitution and Federal laws without serious repercussions.

It is clear that I have Federal rights to protest just as I have in Downtown Naperville. Since when is Naperville above the law that is enforced in Washington DC in front of exclusive affluent residences and real estate such as the White House and yet Naperville does not have to comply!

There is no excuse for those affluent and holier than thou in Naperville to violate Federal law and ban my presence as I have presented myself this last year! The City’s violations will be challenged if they so enforce the ordinance violating my Constitutional Right to Protest even as the Protest in front of the White House in Washington DC! Just one ticket and it is off to the Federal building for review! Selah!

Hopefully seasoned objective, fair and equitable dialogue will prevail and that our differences October 6, 2009 can be remedied with out a show down in the Federal Court system as US v. The City of Naperville and / or Huber v. The City of Naperville!

I Remain,

Scott M. Huber
6:05 PM CDT
10-3-09

See My latest Naperville Potluck Advance Sheet Post "GUYS"... @ 9:30 AM CDT 10-2-09 in the lower third of this page!...As of Sunday AM 10-4-09 after two days of Naperville Sun Potluck posting delay this post has been skipped and denied posting by the Moderator Chris Magee for reasons that are unknown. He tells others denied his reasons in the forum but I just get silence when he preempts! Just more favoritism, politics and steering the media again as usual! Be all the more sure to see it!

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/post773

THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING IS TODAY TUESDAY, OCTOBER 6, 2009 - 7:00 PM ... BE SURE MARK YOUR CALENDAR TO ATTEND AND REGISTER AT 6:30 TO 7:00 PM IN THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE ON THE MAIN FLOOR SO YOU CAN SPEAK AND SUPPORT MY CAUSE AND CAST YOUR VERBAL VOTE AGAINST A VERY UN-AMERICAN AND UNLAWFULLY DISCRIMINATORY ORDINANCE THAT IS BEING CRAFTED FOR TRULY ONE PERSON SO THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE ISSUES OF THEIR DERELICTION OF POLICE SERVICE DUTY AND EQUAL PROTECTION OF THE LAW THAT PUT ME OUT ON THE PROTEST SITE IN THE FIRST PLACE!

FINALLY! THE SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 COUNCIL MEETING VIDEO IS NOW AVAILABLE...

I do believe that if a vote on the new ordinance is to happen on 10-6-09 it should be delayed until after the video is adequately published so all the public can conveniently view the September 15, 2009 meetings and have proper time to scrutinize them! The video will NOT have been available to the general public for almost TWO weeks come this Tuesday 9-29-09! Its delay has also seriously hampered my posting of comments on the meeting for you to consider!

For your convenience the September 15, 2009 City Council Meeting video link...Check it out yourself!...IT IS NOW AVAILABLE 9-29-09 AND ENHANCED IN WINDOWS MEDIA PLAYER'S LARGER FORMAT AS A COURTESY HERE ! Move the Windows Media Player Slider to 2:55 for the "N2" issues and click on Play! As with all these videos, if you don't get a full screen click on the enlargement button in the lower right corner of the Windows Media Player!

naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=94&...

THE CITY OF NAPERVILLE INSISTED THAT THE VIDEO OF THE COUNCIL MEETING WAS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC:

“With respect to the video of the Council meeting, it has been on the City’s website since a couple hours after the meeting." Margo Ely City Legal Director.

However numerous people outside the City's internal server WERE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE IT INCLUDING NAPERVILLE PUBLIC LIBRARY! The video link came up with a viewer but no video. If you highlighted the screen you found this message:

"The system was unable to find an appropriate server for the content you requested, the content may be behind a firewall or may be in the process of transferring to a distribution server. Please try again later. Thank you for your patience."

Obviously the video was still behind their firewall and NOT available to other than those on their home facilities server allowing City employees to see it but not the public.

I do believe that if a vote on the new ordinance is to happen on 10-6-09 it should be delayed until after the video is adequately published so all the public can conveniently view the September 15, 2009 meetings and have proper time to scrutinize them! The video will NOT have been available to the general public for almost TWO weeks come this Tuesday 9-29-09! Its delay has also seriously hampered my posting of comments on the meeting for you to consider!

Scott M. Huber

7:58 AM CDT
9-27-09
Modified 10-6-09

For your convenience the September 15, 2009 City Council Meeting video link...Check it out yourself!...IT IS NOW AVAILABLE SINCE 9-29-09.

naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=94&...

Scott M. Huber
11:47 AM CDT
10-6-09

Like Rod Stewart sang: Tonight's the night!

Folks,

It appears the Moderator Chris Magee is up to his old tricks again deleting posts for political reasons et al...

On 10-2-09 I posted a summary of conducts argued in this forum and other forums with special emphasis on participants here who have spilled their comments elsewhere!

Moderator Chris Magee has conveniently denied me timely posting as this morning it does not appear appropriately where it should of on October 2, 2009 !

It is also notable that he has been seriously delaying any posts at times for days on end during a critical time prior to the Tuesday City Council meeting! I do not believe these delays to be just Coincidental! Please take note how Mr. Magee is manipulating this forum in time and space!

For your convenience, here are links to the article I posted here that did not show up...

Look at the lower third of the page for the article entitled "Guys" highlighted in blue at Flickr...

At Flickr...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@N08/2370191842/

It is found more directly at Topox...

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/post773

Scott M. Huber
10:45 AM CDT
10-6-09

Old Joe - if meaning that the problem resolves itself on its own, does that mean someone walking by and finding Mr Huber dead in his protest dome some winter morning?

By Original Joe - While Scott may protest from the same spot for the past 8 years; I protest with my wallet and it will be in the opposite way ordinance supporters are hoping... and that will be the WAKE UP.

We will all be holding our breath as store front after store front empties due to a lack of your funding. I don't believe that Huber's presence had much effect economically and the downtown is not going to miss your dollars either. You and CIJ are the minority here, just as C Bob is in the minority on council opinion. I hope Huber spends the winter evenings indoors this year, and would have no problem seeing him actively protesting downtown, just not literally living on public property.

Perhaps you would not mind if Dan (or Scott) moved off Lincoln's head and onto the city parkway in front of your residence? I hardly believe your live and let live attitude would relate to that situation. Would you wish him well every morning as you drove out of the garage, perhaps flicker your porch light as you go to bed?

The fact that this step was not taken 8 years ago is the real problem here. But there is no better time than the present.

To Anonymous on October 5, 2009 8:35 PM,

Specifically, they just keep issuing tickets and eventually hope to build up enough against him to eventually get him to be in violation of a court order (injunction) so he can possibly be locked up at the County and not be the City's "problem" anymore. It's pathetic that our City has put forth this much effort into trying to remove one guy who's not harmed a fly. The do-good Christians often overlook the most important message in the Gospel that goes like: "Whatsoever you do to the least of my people..."

Just leave him alone. The "problem" will eventually solve itself and everyone can have 'clean hands'.

Dan,

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the ideology is many centuries old, both for protesting and for individual freedom. Again, bringing Ayers into this as any form of reference is either a purposeful devolving of the conversation or complete ignorance on your part.

Go ahead and live on top of Lincoln's head if you want or climb a tall tree and perch. There is a slight difference between Federal Property and City Public Property but none that would stop me from wishing you well at either place if that's how and where you chose to protest whatever the heck it is you want to.

The 'radicals' of the 60's did the same old crap people have been doing for years but they were one of the first that had the media to spread the 'message' and the drugs to entice new people to join. I don't hold any of them in any sort of reverence. They did their thing and that was that.

If I believe Scott is protesting it is because he states he is and has held his position both figuratively and literally for the past 8 years. I don't have to believe what he believes or feel the same way he does to appreciate his or anyone else's First Amendment right.

Still, I find it rather odd that all of a sudden people are trying to 'do him a favor' and 'get him help' by passing a stupid ordinance that is a complete waste of time and will do absolutely nothing like the supporters are hoping. If it passes I will quite happily ensure that not a single dime of mine is further spent in the downtown area. While Scott may protest from the same spot for the past 8 years; I protest with my wallet and it will be in the opposite way ordinance supporters are hoping... and that will be the WAKE UP.

I wasn't bringing Bill Ayers into any comparison, I was suggesting the time where this ideology was born. If you are suggesting everyone is allowed to live on public property because they have the "freedom to give it a go",you may have taken one to many of Mr. Leary's chemicals.

By your reasoning, this would allow me to live on Mt. Rushmore atop Lincoln's head, or pitch Fort Dan high in a sequoia. Just because this is Naperville property next to a parking garage it shares the reality and rules. Not zoned for residential use.

Like I said before, if you believe Scott is protesting then you are insulting a movement of radicals in the late 60's that at least embraced what they believed to be an unjust war.

I didn't see any protesters in Lincoln Park shouting Hell No We Won't go..without our storage belongings.

By the way my beliefs don't end on Naperville's borders, I think anyone camping on public property should be assisted in some way.
Most have mental or substance abuse problems. Get Help, We will get you help or intern you someplace where we know your safe.

EST suggests...

Two Days and Wakeup!

So,
Huber-specific.
What happens now? The Council meets this week, right? And if they vote the new ordinance into effect, it has 30 days to take effect, following which what happens? As I get it, they give tickets for a few days, and then? Jail time for non-compliance? Or just ever mounting fines?
I'm not asking about a theoretical court case, or what might happen 6 months from now, but assuming the ordinance passes?

CIJ you did it again. You have posted in the wrong blog again. I'm beginning to think you did this on purpose.
Just a refresher, this blog is about Scott Huber. This is not about misspending, taxes pensions, MASSIVE DEFICITS, Napergate man..blah blah blah.
Just in case here is the blog you should post in:
http://blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com/newsblog/2009/09/city_considers_adding_sales_ta.html

Now get out of your bathrobe and go bring Scott some soup!

The sun slowly sets on...

Three Days and Wakeup!

CIJ wrote:

he bottom line is we have MASSIVE DEFICITS in this town. The 14.1 million operating deficit and the 20.55 million pension fund losses for a total of 34.65 million will cost each TAXPAYER an additional $693 dollars on his or her upcoming real estate tax bill unless the city makes severe cuts which appear unlikely based on statements they are making to the Naperville Sun.

There you go again! Once again, CIJ, we don't to make up the pension fund losses in one year!!!! Why do you keep repeating this, if not to inflate your numbers to make them sound more alarming? And you say you never engage in misinformation.....

-JQP

Dearest Dan,

Is your argument so weak that you have to lump in Bill Ayers into it? Why not just go for the ever famous Hitler comparison while you are at it per Godwin's law: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

"We have a nice order of society in Naperville, the schools work, the garbage gets picked up, downtown is a nice place to visit and we don't have people homesteading!'"

All those things happened WHILE Scott was situated where he is doing his thing. Scott is not preventing or hindering any of this.

"Once again this is not about Scott Huber, this is about society and law and order. Scott just doesn't get to live on street. If we all did what we wanted, this place would be a third world country."

Everyone actually has the freedom to give it a go. Most don't, some do it because they feel they have no other option. We might become a third world country anyway with the way our economy is headed. Paid any attention to it lately? If not, watch what the next year brings and when the talks about getting the IMF involved to bail us out it might become more clear.

Your If/Then fallacy is quite amusing. I suspect you even believe it which just adds to the humor.

Isn't this blog about Scott Huber? Why are some able to keep speaking off-topic on a Scott Huber topic?

CIJ wrote:

Instead of focusing so much energy on Mr. Huber, why not focus some energy on the 5 individuals who oversee the police fund that lost $10.35 million this year alone. Or the 5 who oversee the fire fund that lost $9.85 million this year alone. Or the managers of the funds whom we paid .35 million this year to, for losing 20.2 million dollars for a total loss of 20.55 million dollars. Amazing, if you ask me!

But not at all amazing to anyone other than you who was paying even the slightest amount of attention to the worldwide financial meltdown last year.

By Conscientious Observer on October 5, 2009 7:39 AM
The comment that the City of Naperville is torturing Mr. Huber is downright laughable and ridiculous.

1. Mr. Huber is making his own choices; good, bad or indifferent. No one is making Mr. Huber live on a sidewalk, let alone for eight years - that is Mr. Huber's choice.

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Mr. Huber is living on a sidewalk because he is broke...because he lost his life savings...because he can not afford a home with high real estate taxes in Naperville due to fiscal irresponsibility and other reasons.

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3. Feeding one's own agenda to a mentally ill individual and instructing them to protest against the city is insensitive and shameful. Do your own dirty work, CIJ. If you see a wrong, YOU should fight on your own behalf - don't hide behind someone like Mr. Huber and send him in fighting your battles.

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I have been fighting my battle against City Hall and doing my own dirty work on my own behalf for 3.5 years. I am very capable of fighting on my behalf and those who see my viewpoint.

City Officials are the ones who are hiding behind Mr. Huber.

Mr. Huber surfaced a month ago on this blog site. The City of Naperville decided to make him an issue and make him a scapegoat and smokescreen to cover their FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITIES. They wanted to take the limelight off their 14.1 million operating budget deficit and 120 million accrued actuarial pension liability deficit. They wanted to also take the limelight off their 20.55 million losses in the P and F Pension Funds.

City Officials want to waste Tuesday Council Meetings taking about a harmelss, hopeless, helpless HOMELESS STRIKER who has every right to strike for any cause he wishes even if it is delusional as it may be. Some people believe religions are also delusional. They have every right to worship based on faith and no proof. This is America the land of the FREE and BRAVE.

I want the City Council to discuss the massive losses they are hiding from the public and reslove them. They attempted to hide the 20.55 million in Pension Investment Losses until Forensic Accountant Experienced uncovered them before I could uncover them. Kudos to him for being on the ball. They only revealed the losses after he saw them personally and demanded they be on the Financial Statements. They got away with the 10 million Napergate Costs but thanks to Experienced they did not get away with covering up the 20.55 million in pension investment losses as a result of ONLY ONE YEAR.

This is what is really shameful, insensitive and disgusting, my dear friend. Not a HOMELESS STRIKER not bothering anyone. And if they felt it was wrong for him to live there, why did they provide him a port-a-potty for 8 years? Obviously he never bothered them but suddenly he is a convenient scapegoat to their massive problems and deficits. Ever so obvious and clear!

The sudden shift in unacceptance of Mr. Huber is 100% for the purpose to throw a smokescreen around their incompetence. To blame him with everything that is wrong with the downtown instead of the ridiculous high rents and high taxes of the downtown. Once sales taxes were raised to 9.75% in the downtown, many out of towners returned to Oak Brook where taxes last time I checked were 6.75%.

It only takes 10% of customers to migrate elsewhere to really hurt downtown businesses that have very high breakeven points. If they lose 20% of their customers in most cases they are as good as fried. Those are the facts my friend. The Bed Store and Shoe Store at 22 E. Chciago Ave along with the Antique Shop, across from Huber's Encampment at 75 E. Chicago Ave just closed and it was not Huber's fault.

You have a bunch of fiscally irresponsible folks running City Hall and they are shining the light on Mr. Huber and not themselves. That is what is TRULY SHAMLESS. Picking on a down and out mentally ill person.

Don't try to turn it on me in such an immature way. I don't need Scott Huber for my battle against City Hall. I am gaining steam on this blog site daily. I even got Opinion Editor Tim West to write back to back opinions about the operating budget deficit after making a polite request. While you and others, in figments of your imaginations, would like to believe it was a coincidence, it was not. I woke the man up and he did an awesome job. How can I wake you up? Why are you so stubborn and in DENIAL as long as the NILE is long?

Now, with Mr. West's help we need to wake the residents up. We need 10% cuts in every area in the city including payroll and pension....no exceptions for Public Safety Employees. We can easily live with 10% less of them as fires are rare and we have air bags in cars now to minimize injury. We are living much longer and healthier than 50 years ago. We are entitled to ask for a reasonable 10% cut in salaries and a 10% reduction in personnal. No one is quitting as there are no jobs out there in the private sector and public employee never quit due to their massive benefits such as RETIREMENT at age 52 with 75% of their highest salary till death due them or their spouse apart from this Jackpot ORGY. (Sorry to steal your appropriate word, Mr. West.)

The bottom line is we have MASSIVE DEFICITS in this town. The 14.1 million operating deficit and the 20.55 million pension fund losses for a total of 34.65 million will cost each TAXPAYER an additional $693 dollars on his or her upcoming real estate tax bill unless the city makes severe cuts which appear unlikely based on statements they are making to the Naperville Sun.

As a taxpayer one has to ask him/herself, do I want to pay $693 extra or is it time for my city to get its act together and stop wasting my taxpayer money. Do I want to give them a new credit card and tell them everything is OK only to have them come and ask me for another credit card again next year? Where does this "ORGY OF SPENDING" end? When does this "ORGY OF SPENDING" end? Does anyone have answers? Stop using Mr. Huber as a smokescreen and scapegoat and please provide ANSWERS!!!

It is time to snatch the bottle of formula away from our City Officials and demand they act like responsible adults and stop wasting money like it is printed off our printers in our homes. The money we have is earned the old fashioned way. The city needs to respect that.

I urge all who do not want to pay an additional $693 dollars on their real estate tax bills to rise and be counted. Write on this blog site. Call your City Council Members. Speak at the City Council Podium tomorrow at 7pm. E-mail your officials. Mr Huber's posts have provided their e-mail addresses on this blog site in numerous posts. Thank you, Mr. Huber!

Unless we put some heat on them they will never change. The Napergate Man put some heat on them and did straighten them out for a while. But they lapsed with his retirement and are back to their old nasty ways. They must be stopped in their tracks...IMMEDIATELY! Wasteful Spending is not acceptable in this time and age.

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Somewhere between Timothy Leary and Bill Ayers people like CIJ and the Original Joe received a message that it is okay to do anything you want in the name of Free Speech.

CIJ you are just writing things to be controversial. Suggesting Naperville is torturing is irresponsible. Free speech is to be used responsibly.

Once again this is not about Scott Huber, this is about society and law and order. Scott just doesn't get to live on street. If we all did what we wanted, this place would be a third world country.

So please quit romanticizing the stupid drug invested 60's and reliving the protester ways.

We have a nice order of society in Naperville, the schools work, the garbage gets picked up, downtown is a nice place to visit and we don't have people homesteading!'

I am not picking on Scott, trust me, I am picking on YOU! I am sick and tired of people excusing others for their behaviors. Scott has little say so, as far as I'm concerned he is not a resident of Naperville. He is a nomad; We our generous letting him speak at our meetings.

Until he shows a residence, a utility bill, or pays taxes he has no creditability with me. He should be treated with respect and not persecuted but that's where it stops.

I now am waiting gleefully for..

3 days and a Wakeup!

CIJ wrote:

Unlike my friend, I somehow feel you have the intelligence to snap out of your paranoia. Just realize it and snap out of it and start a new life.

If, Mr. Huber is, indeed, a paranoid schizophrenic he won't just "snap out of it." It's a medical issue, and has nothing to do with intelligence. It can be helped with medication, but one of the more frustrating aspects of the illness is that people who have it tend to be in denial about it, and are often suspicious of those who try to help them.

-JQP

The comment that the City of Naperville is torturing Mr. Huber is downright laughable and ridiculous.

1. Mr. Huber is making his own choices; good, bad or indifferent. No one is making Mr. Huber live on a sidewalk, let alone for eight years - that is Mr. Huber's choice.

2. The City of Naperville has been patient - even accomodating - by providing a port-a-potty at the taxpayer's expense. I believe because of community complaints and the realization that Mr. Huber is fighting a fantasy battle, the City decided to put an end to his situation and write an ordinance that would prevent 'protesters' from occupying every downtown street 24/7. They saw a need and filled it. Plain and simple.

3. Feeding one's own agenda to a mentally ill individual and instructing them to protest against the city is insensitive and shameful. Do your own dirty work, CIJ. If you see a wrong, YOU should fight on your own behalf - don't hide behind someone like Mr. Huber and send him in fighting your battles.

4. If the economy in downtown Naperville is not growing, it's because we are in a recession. Hello!

Very well said, OJ.

I don't know if Mr. Huber has a gun or knife. But if I was living outside in the elements, I would have something to protect myself with in case I was attacked....at least a baseball bat.

My point is no one knows what anyone else is packing these days and it is best not to mess around and harrass people who are minding their own business. As you know people have thrown objects at Mr. Huber from upper levels of the garage and that is one reason he put up his new BIG BLUE UMBRELLA.

The economy is hurting and downtown is disproportionately being hurt because of high rents that are not sustainable in a bad economy. I see so many stores shutting in downtown on a monthly basis. It is very sad.

Yes, the city is INSANE to be focusing its energy on Harmless HOMELESS STRIKER when they have a $14.1 million operating budget and a $120 million accrued actuarial pension liability deficit. Sorry, I have to use all those descriptive words but the minute I leave a word out, I am accused of not being CREDIBLE.

Instead of focusing so much energy on Mr. Huber, why not focus some energy on the 5 individuals who oversee the police fund that lost $10.35 million this year alone. Or the 5 who oversee the fire fund that lost $9.85 million this year alone. Or the managers of the funds whom we paid .35 million this year to, for losing 20.2 million dollars for a total loss of 20.55 million dollars. Amazing, if you ask me!

We should be cleaning our INVESTMENT HOUSE instead of trying to CLEAN the one square block of sidewalk that Mr. Huber resides on. The last time I checked a 10ft by 10ft sidewalk concrete block can be replaced for $375 dollars. So we are worried about $375 bucks under Mr. Huber instead of $20.55 million dollars. Let him occupy it until he dies. We really don't need this one block of concrete. He is not blocking the sidewalk since there are 2 additional blocks in front of his encampment that provide adequate space to walk unlike the next door patio or Joe the Hot Dog Man who positions just west of him.

We sure as a City do not have our priorties straight. We have our heads in the sand. Again, I think the man adds some color and character to a struggling downtown. I go twice as often to the downtown because of him. Thus I spend twice as much money because of him. I am just curious as to what he is up to and how he is doing especially on rainy and snowy days. Also on 100 degree heat days. He is a champion of sorts to me even though I think his strike makes no sense....but he has his beliefs. Most people also believe any religion other than their own does not make sense. Religion is based on faith that can not be proven. Going to Heaven is based on faith. Mr. Huber's strike is also based on faith and a belief that he will one day beat City Hall. He has a right to believe as the Napergate Man once believed.

The Napergate Man did it against all odds and Mr. Huber can also do it. Not win support for his strike, but win a legal battle against those who are dumb enough to try to evict him while he is STRIKING against the CIA and NPD for "stealing" 1.7-2 million dollars from his storage shed. It is his RIGHT just as it is our RIGHT to believe we are going to HEAVEN based on nothing more than FAITH! We can also be wrong as Mr. Huber may be wrong. We will never know...until we die!

CIJ,

"The City of Naperville is torturing Mr. Huber"

No, Mr. Huber is torturing Mr. Huber. He chooses to be out there and comply.

Now, I will agree that the City of Naperville, by virtue of this ordinance, is TARGETING him specifically. The fact that they spend this stupid amount of time and resources trying to pass a targeted ordinance against a specific individual instead of trying to use that time wisely on financial problems they are facing is beyond ridiculous.

I honestly think there are some people stupid enough to believe that Mr. Huber is the reason the downtown as a whole is in the crapper. They obviously need to pull their head out of an anatomically impossible position to see that it's not Mr. Huber's fault; it's the economy, Stupid.

It's easier to pin one's frustration and problems on an undeserving scapegoat than to actually face the problems ahead and tackle them head on. The "ME ME ME, it's all about ME" generation strikes again and tries to blame Mr. Huber for their lack of business when in fact there is a lack of business problem ALL OVER THE DAMN COUNTRY. Mr. Huber obviously isn't all over the country causing the same exact situation in every other city in the nation.

But no... People are too stupid to see that it's just a sign of the times and are looking for an easy target to make themselves feel better.

One day the wheel of time will come back around and kick them in the balls and I will be waiting patiently to see it. I may even be inclined to give that wheel a good spin too.

B.S.already Citizen Investigative Journalist! It's not Napervilles fault,but Scott himself! What do they do station a Police Officer 24/7 to make sure Scoot doesn't lay down or sleep! If Scott does have a knife or gun he's in violation of the law! It took retired Police Officers years to be able to carry guns so Scott does not have the right if he were to have one!

I believe Mr Huber has the free will and choice to find a place where it is legal to lie down to sleep at night. I'm sure there is help available for him to find such a place.

He has had the free will and choice to live as he has to date, choosing to sleep in a place that does not legally allow him to lie down to sleep. If this isn't his free will choice, are we saying that he does not have the capacity to make such a choice for himself, and must have some other stewardship do this for him?

This is not sleep deprivation, as he does sleep, no? Poor choice? Most likely.

Anonymous,

Sleep deprivation has been ruled to be a form of torture by the UN, Amnesty International and every Human Rights Organization.

Mr. Huber is not allowed to lie down and fall asleep in his encampment by the NPD and City Officials. He is required to be sitting up. He has obeyed them and his back is now CROOKED.

Did you see him walk up to the podium at the last City Council Meeting? He was like a hunchback. Did you see the bags under his eyes? They were the size of golf balls.

The City of Naperville is torturing Mr. Huber. I believe he will make them pay big time one day.

Wow - now CIJ is accusing the city of being torturers and asking that they be tried in international courts. He asks where Amnesty International is, where human rights organizations are. Perhaps they have stayed away because they recognize that this "protest" is pure bunk. or perhaps it is a conspiracy between the city, the federal government, international agencies like AI, and aliens from the the spaceship behind the Hale Bop comet.

And, by the way, if Mr. Huber does have a gun or a knife, then he may be in violation of weapons laws and could be arrested for that.

By Dan on October 3, 2009 11:21 PM
CIJ..the debate and countdown are cold blooded, not towards Mr. Huber but towards people like you that defend him sleeping on the street.

My relative after living with us for two months decided to leave, was living on the street and was stabbed. So I feel nothing very nice happens to people living in these ways.

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Dan,

I or no else is happy with him living on the sidewalk...not the STREET. Not one single person showed up to defend him for living on the sidewalk. Only one person, the owner of Comedy Shrine asked that he be removed out of 144,000 people who live in Naperville. One of the City Council Members scolded him because he seemed to be a whacko going over board with his uncalled and disrespectful comments towards Mr. Huber.

What most of us feel is he has a right to do what he wants to do. He has been there 8 years and appears to fend for himself pretty well. He is a former security person. I bet he holsters a knife to defend himself...or maybe even a gun. Bottom line no one should attempt to hurt him and find out.

One thing for sure, is the Mr. Huber will never attack anyone first or for no reason. But if someone attempted to stab him, I suspect that person is as good as mice meat.

I am sorry your homeless relative was stabbed. I knew something was bothering you. Your relative may have not had the defensive instincts and skills to live outside.

Criminals exist everywhere. Most of us leave our doors open for at least part of the day and a criminal can come in and stab us right in our homes and no one would even know. Mr. Huber is in a public place where people will see.....where the city has cameras and will soon have more. Most stabbers do not want eyewitness or cameras recording. He may be safer than the rest of us.

Plus he is 50 feet from the intersection with the most cops in town where they have an eye on him even though he has accused them of stealing 1.7- 2 dollars from his storage shed under the direction and supervision of the CIA. If the NPD are professional, as I suspect, they will defend him from those who want to harm him despite his allegations which may be as a result of paranoia, a bad dream, a lie told to him that be believed, or something.

With up to 12-17 cops on that one intersection, he really picked the safest place to be. I saw many people stop by and talk to him last night in the rain. He was having cordial conversation with many people who were curious about his situation and was promoting his "strike." He invited everyone to the City Council meeting but I suspect no one will show up like last time.

Maybe if we give him time, he will realize his strike is getting him nowhwere. If he asks a 1000 personally to come and no one comes to support him, he has to take the hint at some point that his strike is not as popular as he believes. Maybe he will cough it up.

Maybe he read the Napergate Files as I did and thinks he can pull off what the Napergate Man did and fill those Council Chambers. But again he is hallucinating as he does not have a cause that interests residents....not even one single resident. Unfortunately and sadly he does not realize that. Maybe the comments on this blog site will help him come to his senses.

I will admit that nothing in 30 years has made my paranoid schizophrenic friend come to his senses. Once he was struck with this disease it has been downhill. He now accuses his Mom of stealing his inheritance even though she is still alive. He wants Lisa Madigan to put Joe Birkett in jail because Joe Birkett refuses to jail his Mom. See how crazy this sounds, Mr. Huber. Unlike my friend, I somehow feel you have the intelligence to snap out of your paranoia. Just realize it and snap out of it and start a new life. While the City has no right to remove you, if they are offering you help and a home, accept it. As I said, the City of Naperville which loses $20.55 million a year should be able to give this man 25k or 1/40th of a million dollars or 1/822 of the amount they lost in just the last year in the P @ F Pensions alone. Every cop or fireman is given millions and millions of dollars upon retirement which are gifts from taxpayers and not earned in any sense of the word. Even twice over as we the taxpayers will be replacing this $20.55 million they lost very quietly. City Officials don't want you to know that we will replace their losses in risky investement for them, but I, the Citizen Investigative Journalist is trying to wake you up and tell you. I know if you understood the injustices of our City Officials, Staff and Council Members you would join me next April 15 in the largest protest City Hall has even seen. The 400 that appeared last April 15 were really not enough to send a strong message to City Hall. Let us work hard starting today to get 4000 for next April 15. It could be done with a little help from the Naperville Sun as they have the resources to wake up the residnets in masses. I only have the resources to wake them up one at a time through this blog site and the grapevine I spread in any subdivision I step foot in. We got 400 without the help of the Sun. We got 400 before it was known they squandered another 20.55 million in the pension funds and another 14.1 million in the operating budget. And there is much more such as the pension funds for non police and non fire which had an accumulated accrued liability deficit of 12.7 million before this year. The fiscal fiasco is endless. I am just beginning to uncover it and unravel it. Only God knows what else these fiscally irresponsible leaders are hiding from us. I would not trust the majority of them with a 100 foot pole. Maybe CM Bob is an exception but they muzzled him so what good is he muzzled like a horse.

I told Mr. Huber to change his cause if he wants to get back at City Officials whom he perceives abused him and want to make him truly HOMELESS by taking down his ENCAMPMENT that is now looking much prettier with that pretty blue large sized umbrella officially on Oct 6 with a new mean inhumane ordinance. Maybe if he can fight for the elimination of government waste and higher taxes he can develop some popularity and support. But he is not going to develop support living on a sidewalk. And he is also not going to create enemies living on a sidewalk except by our City Council who are using him as a smokescreen and scapegoat for their massive deficits.

Only one single whacko wants him removed from his location and he apparently persuaded 8 city council members to proceeed against him. I think his name is Dave Sinker and he sunk the council with him. He is probably doing all this so he can have some new jokes for his Comedy Shrine which is another downtown business that is struggling. Recently the Bed Store and Shoe Store went out of business in that store right after the Antique and Lamp Stores almost proving that the only thing that can make it downtown is a restauarant/bar or nightclub/lounge. Those places require tons of parking and if we keep letting them in we will need another parking garage. My only concern is they pay for the next parking garage and not us taxpayers.

The library deck was going to cost 20 million besides the one million we sunk in it and lost. I suspect when we revive it, the cost will be 25 million or $500 dollars PER HOMEOWNER. I hope the city wises up a little bit and imposes the costs of this ridiculous deck on the right parties. The taxpayers will not tolerate building parking decks that benefit businesses downtown and not themselves. Any sales tax being collected is much less than is needed to sustain services for downtown. We are already subsidizing the downtown without an additional parking deck. This was admitted to me directly last year when I visited the Executive Director of the Downtown Business Alliance in her office on the 3rd floor of the Promenade Building. I published the details of my visit and it is in the achives somewhere. Maybe John Q. Public can track it down for the bloggers as he seems to be a good researcher.

To show you how fiscally insane our City Council is they want to remove this parking garage tax from downtown and replace it with city wide sales tax and screw all the residents instead of mostly the out of towners that frequent the Sin District of our Downtown. Why remove this parking garage tax when you not only need it for maintenance but also for possible expansion if every business that goes out of business is replaced by a bar, lounge or nightclub? The rents downtown are only sustainable by those kinds of businesses. It has been proven over and over again.
All the non-liquor businesses do is play musical chairs and experiment. They are opened by outsides who have not studied the downtown like us residents only to fail rather quickly. You wonder why City Officials don't warn them when LICENSING them.

That is my 2 cents worth on this chilly Sunday Morning.

CIJ

PS. Residents don't care about Mr. Huber's occupation of 2 square yards of the City of Naperville. We still have 50 square miles to use. It is not like he is the equivalent of the Israeli Army occcuping, stealing and colonizing lands in mass and illegally.

He is a fly on the wall bothering no one. Leave him alone. He is within his rights as a HOMELESS STIKER.

If the City attacks him and takes him to court they will make him the next Napergate Man. He does not have the capability to be the next Napergate Man on his own. In other words we can make him into something if we want to. And so far we are making him bigger than life. And maybe he is bigger than life as I don't know anyone who can survive 8 grueling winters outside. Personally, I am lucky if I can last an hour outside despite many layers of clothing. The man is amazing. Lets enjoy him and repect his unique talents while he is still with us.

The City of Naperville already destroyed his back because they force him to sit in an upright position 24/7. They refuse to let him lie down. I think that is very inhumane of our City Officials. Sleep deprivation is considered a form of torture. They should ship our City Officials to the Hague in the Netherlands and put them on trial for torturing of a harmless, helpless, hopeless and homeless civilian. Shame on all our City Officials who have been involved in this sleep deprivation torture of Mr. Huber for doing nothing more than striking and protecing his STRIKE ENCAMPMENT at night. Where is Amnesty International? Where are the Human Rights Organizations when you need them? Where is the United States Department of Justice who is suppose to protect our rights to protest as US Citizens?

CIJ..the debate and countdown are cold blooded, not towards Mr. Huber but towards people like you that defend him sleeping on the street.

My relative after living with us for two months decided to leave, was living on the street and was stabbed. So I feel nothing very nice happens to people living in these ways.

I also assure you my heart is equally as warm blooded.

4 days and a Wakeup!

Dan,
You seem to hate Mr. Huber because some of your relatives also were hit with paranoid schizophrenia.

Just be thankful you are healthy and be compassionate to those who are not as fortunate as you.

Enough said...this is no game that is being played here.

Your countdown is insensitive to Mr. Huber.

Mr. Magee should censor your posts as you are picking on a homeless, hopeless, helpless, harmless man who never did anything to you. You apparently have low esteem bordering on an inferior complex of sorts.

Get over it, please! Seriously! Be a sensitive human being instead of a cold blooded alligator. You are acting like one.

CIJ "shattered the credibility and reputation"!

I think now you have issues. Shattered..really, I mean really.

I am official tagging you with a delusional tendency also.

As you spell it "credibilty", you have none. Pro bono attorney, your just silly.

early in the morning while Scott is sleep protesting..

4 days and a Wakeup!

By Anonymous on October 2, 2009 11:09 AM
CIJ - if you hate so much about Naperville so much, why are you still here? I just dont understand why you continue to rant and rave about everything here and yet still continue to live here. Do you ever find anything positive to say about Naperville?

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This is my home of 40 years. My spouse was born here and is a true native. My 4 children were born at Edward Hospital and I guess are also now native born residents of Naperville..

OK, I am personally a transplant and not born here, but I love Naperville and have adopted it as my new home. I own a home and property here. I have friends here. I have great neighbors here.

I have said much positive about Naperville over the last 3.5 years. I think the downtown is very beautiful even though fiscally weak as our officials are irresponsible in dealing with the serious issues facing downtown which I have discussed repeatedly. I love Centennial Beach, the Riverwalk, and my subdivision. I don't like going to downtown and seeing 17 police officers on one intersection wasting my tax dollars though or 14 sitting in a jury box as potted plants collecting OT and breaking my beloved Naperville. I also love the character that Huber's Encampment adds to the downtown but I hate the tax money that will be expended to sue for eviction of a homeless, harmless, helpless and hopeless man.

My only problem is the FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE City Staff, Officals and Council who are making Naperville unaffordable and unbearable. I want to oust them out of their Taj Mahal City Hall where they refuse to even turn the lights off at night, before they oust me out of Naperville.

Did you not read the Tax Thread and what the Naperville Natives are saying about having to leave Naperville because of these tax increases that are UNBEARABLE and UNPALATBLE to them?

You sound so much like a City Employee who thinks you are ENTITLED while we all get SCREWED.

Really, what don't you get.

Just like the Napergate Man exposed City Hall, I am determined to continue his legacy and continue exposing City Hall. He changed them for a couple of years. As soon as they realized he was out of the political scene and retired they went back to their old wasteful ways.

The evidene is a $14.1 million operating budget deficit and a $120 million accrued actuarial pension liability deficit. We have to pay for these mistakes....not City Officials who made them.

They lose $20.55 million dollars in risky investments in one year and each homeowner in Naperville is screwed out of $411 because of their irresponsibility. Why don't the fire fighters and police officers absorb the loss? We gave them the money in pension contributions and now WE ARE SUPPOSE TO GIVE IT TO THEM A SECOND TIME. How ridiculous that you think I should leave town for telling the TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO MY FELLOW TAXPAYERS!

Wnat don't you get? Why don't you understand my cause and the root of my bitterness?

Are you really unable to read and comprehend a financial statement? If you are not, please don't debate in an area out of your sphere of knowledge. IF you do, you will show your utter ignorance and lack of knowledge.

And don't dare ask me to leave town. I conside that OFFENSIVE. Be assured I am not leaving my adopted beloved City of Naperville. I am going to fight for it until I get the rascals who are ruining it out of City Hall.

One way or another it will happen. I feel I am finally getting some serious support on this blog site and I seriously expect it to increase exponetially as the truth comes out.

Again, go read the posts on the Sales Tax Threads that were not written by you and your handful of buddies. You will begin to undestand the seams are breaking and the IMPLOSION is INEVITABLE.

It is really a matter of time just like former Woodridge Pension Manager Gary Menconi predicted on this blog site in a post about 2 years ago. He is a financial analyst in Lisle running his own business now. He knows what he is talking about and resigned before the IMPENDING and IMMINENT IMPLOSION. Wants no part of the Pension Tsunami when it finally sweeps through our towns and brings its destructive and demolition powers to the shores of the West Branch of Dupage River where the mighty Taj Mahal City Hall resides.

Let me say it again! Scott will never have any basis to file any law suit when evicted!

CIJ - if you hate so much about Naperville so much, why are you still here? I just dont understand why you continue to rant and rave about everything here and yet still continue to live here. Do you ever find anything positive to say about Naperville?

By anonymous on October 1, 2009 6:36 PM
Hey, CIJ--if you are so concerned about Mr. Huber and so concerned about the other "corruption" issues that you claim have effected Mr. Huber's life and situation, why aren't you there protesting with him? Why aren't you at the council meetings speaking on his behalf?

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I personally would never live the way Mr. Huber lives. I don't like his lifestyle. I don't like sleeping outside in the rain, cold and snow. I don't like how his back is now crooked because he sleeps sitting up since the city won't let him sleep lying down.

I am not going to go out and support his lifestyle....to the city council or anyone.

His lifestyle is his choice. It is none of my business. It does not bother me that he occupied 2 square yards of a very large sidewalk to live on. I don't consider him an eyesore. I love looking at his encampment and admiring his courage even though I would not want to be him or live his lifestyle.

Having said that why should I go support him? I don't believe the NPD and CIA stole $1.7-2 million dollars from his storage shed. I also did not believe the FBI/IRS "stole" 12 million in cash from the floor underneath the office of Heavenly Bodies until I read it in all the major newspapers. So the possibility exists the NPD stole some money from him. I was not there. I don't think NPD officers steal money like some Chicago police officers but we may have a bad apple or two. Maybe these bad apples ripped off Mr. Huber. I don't know. Maybe someone lied to him. I don't know. Maybe he is just imagining that he had $1.7 to 2 million dollars taken in a joint clandestine operation conducted by the NPD and CIA. I don't really know.

But whatever happened, he has a RIGHT TO PROTEST. That is all he is doing. I am not for him or against him. I am for leaving him alone.

Maybe he is collecting donations that far exceed any amount of money he can make in a job. Maybe when he dies besides a body they will find 1.7- 2 million dollars he collected from taxpayers while claiming to be on "fumes." I really don't know. Honestly, I would rather see him get Naperville Money than our City Officials who incinerate it as fast as they receive it. He does not force us to pay up. But the City of Naperville does force us to pay up our taxes that they abuse in umimaginable ways. Not even the old Mafia abuses people and their money like the City of Naperville.

I just say leave him alone. He did not force me to give him money. I go special to give him money when he claims he is on "fumes" which is frequent. Maybe I am a sucker, but his calls for help seem to be genuine. I want him to have enough money to buy gas for his generator, have food and stay warm in the winter. He never asks me or anyone for money. But he will accept money if offered politely. it is not like he is living in a Castle and driving a BMW at taxpayer expense.

I actually had a nice long conversation with him recently that lasted an entire hour. He really impressed me. Only after I gave him a nice donation, possibly much larger than he is use to getting, did he accuse me of being a CIA agent. It was late at night and I had asked him a lot of questions. I did ask him what was wrong with being a CIA agent and he said the CIA and NPD conspired to rob him of 1.7 -2 million dollars from a storage shed and that is why he is homeless and dislikes the CIA and NPD. He seemed very sincere.

As CM Bob said, he genuinely believes what he is saying. He really believes the NPD/CIA robbed him of his life savings. Even though this may be far fetched, I don't have proof either way. So I don't want to be judgmental.

I recall once thinking the Napergate Man was nuts when he made all those numerous allegations both in public and in court against the City of Naperville. I honestly thought he was a whacko.

But after the Illinios Appellate Court and the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals both ruled for him against the City of Naperville in some very big ways, I learned my lesson never to be so judgmental of others. As we can see many of his allegations regarding the incompetence of City Hall have clearly shown to be true. No one could say he misled us. He preidicted the implosion of the pension system before former Woodrige Police Fund Manager Gary Menconi or I even did. So for the person who is worried who should get the credit give it to the Napergate Man. I simply read what he wrote and did some after the fact analysis. That is where I got my tip that something was awfully wrong. I am thoroughly convinced the Napergate Man was right when he said the ins to the pension funds would never sustain the outs of the pension funds. I guess in hindsight it seems so obvious. But he said it 15 or so year ago when we had no deficit or a tiny deficit and nothing was as crystal clear as today.

The question is why did the City of Naperville not look into his allegations at the time? Why did not they get a second actuarial opinion to see if 9.45% plus a few percentage points from the residents could sustain 75% out. And he pointed that the 75% "out" was at the highest and final salary while the 9.45% "in" was at the AVERAGE SALARY over the 30 years required to be FULLY VESTED. Nowadays those few per centage point of yesteryear are a 25% contribution by the taxapaers after you factor in the additional $1.8 million we inserted in the P @ F PENSION FUNDS over last year. And the problem is nothing is enough. The formula is simply not workable as the Napergate Man told us.

Knowing this and it being verified the last 15 years since he did his analysis, how in the world is the City of Naperville going to eliminate the pension liability by the year 2033?

I wish people would discuss this issue about the feasibilty of the system instead of my style or manner of writing. Why debate me? Debate the Napergate Man Theory on the Pension System and prove it wrong. City Officials don't want to evaluate his theory since they figure they will get their money and let those behind worry about what may or not be left in the pension system. They don't care if our grandchildren will one day have to make 50% or 75% contributions to make this corrupt system work. This system is based on 20% annual returns in the market...something that has not materialized the last 10 years and is very unlikely to happen the next 10 years.

Yes, it seems unlikely that Mr. Huber is another Napergate Man but the lesson I learned is everything is POSSIBLE in this world.

Mr. Huber is looking for a pro bono attorney and is planning on taking the City of Naperville to court if they evict him from his 8 year home. Will he win?

If you want my honest answer this is it:

If he gets the right attorney, who is repected and brilliant, he will win. I made a fool of myself once going against the Napergate Man and I am not going to make a fool of myself twice.

How does the saying go....

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I will not be fooled twice so I am staying on the sidelines in Huber v. Naperville until all the facts come out in court.

I don't trust any propaganda coming out of City Hall. Those folks are notorious for EMBELLISHMENT. They will even do it in a court of law under oath. Their credibility is so bad, Huber could knock them out pretty easily.

I think since the Napergate Man exposed and shattered the credibilty and reputation of the City of Naperville, they have never been able to restore it. It honestly seems to have gotten much worse. The Napergate Man may have paved the way for an easy victory for HUBER.

He just needs that one good pro bono attorney. After that, I say look out everyone!

To anonymous on October 1, 2009 6:36 PM,

This ordinance isn't about trying to figure out how to get a man who doesn't want or need anyone's help some help. The faux 'humanitarian' angle from some is laughable at best and a blatant lie at worst. People are found dead more often than you think. There's already a process and procedure established to remove them and any of their belongings. He literally made his bed, let him sleep in it.

Hey, CIJ--if you are so concerned about Mr. Huber and so concerned about the other "corruption" issues that you claim have effected Mr. Huber's life and situation, why aren't you there protesting with him? Why aren't you at the council meetings speaking on his behalf? Give him a quilt and some cash? Well and good, but why aren't you truly more concerned about his health, physical and mental and where that might be in another year without intervention? It's clear that this man is not getting a cash settlement from the city. It's pretty clear that he wouldn't know how to maintain a cash settlement if he did get one, with his previous business actions and history and martyr-victim approach to life. It's also pretty clear that his life will be changing remarkably pretty quickly and he could use your help, rather than your requests to carry on your own issues and protests. Perhaps you have a garage with a second story that can be fixed up, or a basement that can be made into a small apartment? What is it the bible says about a rich man getting into Heaven?

CIJ, you blow and blow here, go do something productive about some of the issues that bother you. Councelman Bob may read here once in a while, but that has proven extremely ineffective in changing the course of any of your soap box tirades. Nothing is happening here but a few people going back and forth, changing not a thing, ever.

Seriously, what a waste of your life. You have opinions aplenty and yet when have you ever acted upon creating real change for any of your issues? You seem to have a propensity for complaining just to hear yourself complain. Naperville a horrible place to live? Naperville needs a mountain to be number one? Oh my goodness, boo hoo! It's been pretty good for most of us so far. I have no huge issues with Naperville, every town has it's own unique issues.

Same with you, Original Joe--be as it may that this man has harmed no one thus far, it's taken eight years to figure out that his situation is not the best for himself. Leave him be? That is just dandy, isn't it? The man has issues, yes...he can live out what is left of his life on the streets, many do. He would do better to accept the help that has been offered to him and create another life that will give him peace, warmth and a possible purpose/employment that would assist him in shelter, warmth and better health. A PURPOSE, not a faux cause that keeps him on the street for eight years, yearning and complaining about what he thinks was done to him. Just because he has made it eight years, who wants to be the one to come upon this poor soul dead and frozen, or the victim of an act of violence? He is not of a strong mind. I'm sure he will go off somewhere else, but the town should at least try to change his course. He will never stop thinking he was a victim of some municipality scandal. That, in my opinion, is no reason for Naperville to walk away from a man that is showing some health degradation, physical and mental. Perhaps he can be helped into a better life.

By Dan on October 1, 2009 10:48 AM
CIJ if anyone is cruel it is you. You want Scott to stay and fight as a platform for your pension scandal, increased taxes and a like. In your case who gives a hoot about his health as long as I can use him to make my points.

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I am not cruel. Scott is an adult and can make his own decisions. As OJ stated, he can not be that ill as he prepares for the winters like none of us can. Physically, he survives the winters like no one can. He is very articulate in his writings. Yes, he is a little paranoid, but he says so are police and that is a healthy paranoia. Who am I to argue with him or judge him?

If you are truly concerned about mentally ill or physcially ill people, there are a 1000 worse off than him in this town. Why are you not paying attention to them. Why does only Scott's illness bother you? Because he occupies 2 square yards of real estate and does not pay real estate tax? He is the only one in this town who is not being ripped off by the FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE FOLKS IN CITY HALL. Kudos to him while the rest of us get suckered and stripped down to our underwears by City Hall. And you are trying to tell me he is mentally ill? He just seems to be a bit smarter than the rest of us. He does not want to be taken by our City Officials.

I am not using Scott to further my tax agenda. I have been promoting my tax cause for 3.5 years, before Scott became an issue a month or 2 ago. I just learned from reading the Napergate Story at the Nichols library that sometimes a good strategy is to go on the offensive against those who are offending you. It worked well for the Napergate Man and I suspect it could work well for Mr. Huber.

I just want him to shame them as they try to shame him. I want him to pick on them as they pick on him. I want him to expose them as they expose him. It really is a good strategy to get someone who is attacking you to back off. If all you do is defend yourself while being punched, you will eventually lose. But if you punch back you may win. This is not my strategy but the strategy the Napergate Man employed when he took the podium and it worked for him. It also worked for him in court. He brought down a city of incompetents.

Did you ever hear of a baseball team that won only playing defense?

I would like to see Scott bring down a city of new incompetents with the help of a pro bono attorney. I don't think he can do it without an attorney. Neither does he when I spoke to him. So I am hoping a pro bona attorney will step forward to help him soon.

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So as far as the financial front of pensions and such, you don't have a clue what it takes to be competitive and keep top notch people on board and motivated to do the best for the entity that employs them.

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Are you serious, Dan. These folks that you call top notch have a $14.1 million operating budget deficit. These folks you call top notch just sustained $20.55 million in stock market losses which cost you individually $411 this ONE YEAR ALONE. These folks you call top notch have an accrued actuarial pension liability deficit of upwards of $120 million. You call these folks competitive and competent!!!

These folks are not motivated to do the best for the entity that employs them. They are motivated to put in their time, get their BIG FAT PENSIONS and get the h@ll out of town with our MONEY.

They lost all this money and want pay raises and fat pensions. Go read on the TAX THREAD what bloggers are saying about them. Bloggers want them to take pay-cuts for their dismal performance.

You are very unusual Dan. Your agenda of wanting to thrust Mr. Huber out of town and pat City Officials on the back, indicates to me you are part of the ESTABLISHMENT who is screwing the rest of us. No one in his right mind supports tax increases in a border-line depression unless he is the recipient of the funds. I suspect you are benefitting from the abuse of taxpayer funds to be calling those folks in City Hall top notch.

Their performance is dismal to disastrous. I suggest you step over to the TAX THREAD if you want to discuss taxes. There we can discuss them without using Mr. Huber as a smokescreen or scapegoat as the city is attempting to do....not ME! That is where I have been discussing taxes. If I wanted to simply use Mr. Huber for my cause which is the taxapyers cause, I would not ask you to leave this thread and go to one that leaves Mr. Huber alone.

Mr. Huber is able to fend for himself. I suggested he go on the offensive for his sake and not my sake. He can do what he wants come Tuesday. If he is on the offensive they can not humiliate him. He can humiliate them by exposing how incompetent they are. By letting the world know they are putting the focus on him to hide their inefficiences and wasteful habits.

After being there twice, Mr. Huber should know he is talking to a wall. He should expose the wall by stripping a few lawyers of paint off of it so he can show the taxpayers what this wall is truly made out of. He will soon see this wall is hollow!

CIJ Naperville property taxes are much better than Bolingbrook,Woodridge,Downers Grove and Lisle taxes! Also you will not see taxes rise 25% in one year!!

You are so far off in your assumptions. CIJ if anyone is cruel it is you. You want Scott to stay and fight as a platform for your pension scandal, increased taxes and a like. In your case who gives a hoot about his health as long as I can use him to make my points.

I assure you I am not the hot dog man. My business encompasses investment banking and marketing of companies.

So as far as the financial front of pensions and such, you don't have a clue what it takes to be competitive and keep top notch people on board and motivated to do the best for the entity that employs them.

CIJ, I was just balancing out your insistence Scott can stay where he is. Even if Scott's was perfectly healthy I would be vehemently opposed to his ruse of protest. The fact he continues is a detriment to his health that's why I push so hard.

I am sick of whiners who complain about taxes and government. We take so much for granted, especially in Naperville.

I am afraid CIJ you are projecting. You are the one acting like a bully attacking the poor hot dog man. Your hatred of lawyers is clearly evident in the way you write a sneer at Margo Ely.

So keep it up, sit at home in your boxers take pot shots at all you can't control.

Scott will be assured of a warm safe place in..

7 days and a Wakeup!

I saw this type of thing in school all the time. The punks gang up and pick on the people who just want to be left alone and don't have the desire to fight because the punks lack the guts or the balls to go do something actually worthwhile and productive. The got some sick perverse pleasure from it, kind of like the daily countdown posts we keep seeing on here with the "Nyah Nyah" undertone.

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Dan,
I agree with OJ that you are geting some sick perverse pleasure form picking on Mr. Huber.

As OJ said you could probably not survive one winter night of -30F below zero outside. He survived 8 long cold Chicago winters.

Compared to him, you are really a wimp. You must feel a sense of low esteem to be bullying a homeless man. You should really be ashamed of yourself just like the City Officials who are trying to evict him instead of focusing on their Fiscal Financial Fiasco.

Stop picking on the poor man and leave him alone.

He is a private citizen and not a public official so you need to watch what you say about him.

Why don't you just sell your hot dogs and mind your own business. Since this is the only topic you ever blog on, I suspect you feel he is interfering with your hot dog business. But remember he came first.

You and your friend Margo Ely could have picked another location for your hot dog stand. You did not have to locate next to him and block the sidewalk.

No one would be interested in bashing such a man daily unless he was affecting his life....apparently you think he is interfering with your hot dog sales.

CIJ..was that a concession speech?

8 year pout wrote:

Not possible, because my current theory is that CIJ is Huber. Huber is CIJ. Think it over, and it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Well, we have only CIJ's word that he and Mr. Huber have ever been in the same place at the same time. Hmmmm....

CIJ,

"For the rest of your folks keep panting and pouting at a harmless, hopeless, helpless, homeless Man. Really, shame on you all for having nothing better to do with your time."

I saw this type of thing in school all the time. The punks gang up and pick on the people who just want to be left alone and don't have the desire to fight because the punks lack the guts or the balls to go do something actually worthwhile and productive. The got some sick perverse pleasure from it, kind of like the daily countdown posts we keep seeing on here with the "Nyah Nyah" undertone.

Dan, Welcome to the Polar Bear club as a scout volunteer. I'll say it again, Mr. Huber obviously knows how to survive long term in conditions you nor I haven't had the balls to beyond a week/weekend at a time. Proper preparedness on a daily basis obviously is going on. If he was as 'sick' or mentally ill as you would like everyone to believe he would have been out there in his bathrobe and dead in 2 hours and we would have found him in the Spring thaw many years ago. He obviously doesn't need your help or anyone else's as he's survived this long no thanks to you. So please, don't dislocate your shoulder trying to pat yourself on the back with this one.

By 8 year pout on September 30, 2009 1:42 PM
Dan said, "CIJ..why not graduate from blogger to a real activist and request the podium on your own."

Not possible, because my current theory is that CIJ is Huber. Huber is CIJ. Think it over, and it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

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And John Q. Public is worried that I may be giving too many leads about myself that would lead to my IDENTIFICATION...lol...

Read my post on the SALES TAX THREAD that I wrote today, "8 year pout."

Mr. Huber types with 2 fingers. He would need a month to write what I wrote in an hour or two. His erratic internet connection would cut him off before he finished a letter like the one I wrote today.

As I told City Officials, stop being obsessed with Mr. Huber. Leave the man alone. Focus on our city financial crisis which is a true crisis of epidemic proportions, not one homeless man who bothers no one.

Why don't you guys become obsessed with the operating budget deficit of $14.1 million and the estimated accrued actuarial pension liability of $131.4 million dollars? We could really use some help on the TAX THREAD. Read what native Napervillians are writing there. The city is not only attempting to evict a HOMELESS MAN but natives of this town through FISCAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.

One blogger claims that City of Naperville wants to increase real estate taxes 25%. Can you folks afford that? If not, it is time to start pouting in the right direction.

If you can not afford substantially higher taxes, join me on the TAX THREAD and let us tell our FISCALLY IRRESPONSIBLE City Officials that enough is enough. We had it!!!

I doubt most of you will listen.

But I think Orginal Joe may lend a hand as he seems to know what is going on in this town.

For the rest of your folks keep panting and pouting at a harmless, hopeless, helpless, homeless Man. Really, shame on you all for having nothing better to do with your time.

Thank You,

CIJ

Dan said, "CIJ..why not graduate from blogger to a real activist and request the podium on your own."

Not possible, because my current theory is that CIJ is Huber. Huber is CIJ. Think it over, and it makes perfect sense, doesn't it?

Original Joe..I have spent many winter nights in a tent as a scout leader. I also have the reasoning to know I wouldn't want to do that for more than a few days, and certainly not 8 years.

So thanks for making my point. As the newest entry by Joe Smith and many others that have concluded, Mr Huber is in need of help. The council should be applauded for finding ways to make it so.

To Joe Smith (love the name),

I don't think anyone is encouraging him to continue to be there. By the same stroke, I think it should be his own decision and his alone as to when he chooses to not be there any longer. IE: Just leave him alone like as has been done for the past 8 years.

The real issue here is mental health. Talk to him and you will understand. He is intelligent and articulate for a few minutes and then drifts off into extreme paranoia. People should not be allowed to set up permanent camps on the sidewalk but he would probably be able to function with the rest of society and thus would not continue his silly baseless protest if he received some mental health treatment. If the people in the community really wanted to support him, they would encourage him to get some help. The conditions are brutal in the winter and are taking their toll on Mr. Huber. Don't encourage him to continue to live on the sidewalk - encourage him to get some help if you really care.

Dan:

"PS..I don't hate Scott, I compassionately want him in a safe place"

What makes you think Downtown Naperville isn't a safe place?

Is there some gang, drug and armed robbery problem in the downtown area we don't know about?

Scott obviously can take care of himself there and has for the past 8 years. How many winters have you spent outside? I'm guessing 0.

CIJ..why not graduate from blogger to a real activist and request the podium on your own. If you and Scott are a double feature I might just show up for the entertainment value alone.

I will bring the hot dogs!

PS..I don't hate Scott, I compassionately want him in a safe place, unlike others that plead for Scott but actually use him as a step stool for their own causes.

ooh look...

9 Days and Wakeup!

Dear Mr. Scott Huber,

I advised you before and will advise you again, when you go before the City Council go on the offensive.

You were on the defensive last time and it did you no good. They did not hear a word you said.

This time accuse them of using you as a scapegoat and a smokescreen. That is what they are doing.

They came out against you right when they found out they may have an additional 70 million dollar actuarial accrued pension liability deficit. Besides using you, they also tried to hide the numbers. Now we learn they have an operating budget defict of $14.1 million.

Don't go up there and ask for MERCY. I remember the Napergate Man grabbing the podium and going on the offensive and exposing Brestal's connections to the City Council. Detailing Golf Outings in which under the table cash and checks were being transferred between well connected folks in Establishment Circles. He saved his revocation case for the courts where it belonged.

If you are going to court as you say, do not speak about your case. Look it how the Mayor put foot in mouth when he said you were not HOMELESS and almost single handed destroyed the future city case against you by proving you were there as a STRIKER. Look at how whistle blower CM Bob put other feet in other mouths by disclosing internal e-mails specifically tailored against you. There are usually rewards for whistle blowing against conspiracies and corruption. He may be getting some Big Bucks from the Feds. Look it how Margo Ely put high heel in mouth. They are convicting themselves before the trial even begins.

Any attorney worth his weight in toilet paper would tell you to never speak about your case unless you want to insert foot in mouth.

So grab the podium and go on the offensive. When Doug Krause tells you that you are blocking the sidewalk and endangering civilians, show him pictures of Margo Ely's Friend, Joey the Hot Dog Man,(may be Dan the Blogger) who seems to hate you. You would think he would have some understanding since he has paranoid relatives or friends as I do. But he must not want you by his Hot Dog Stand for some reason. Remind Dan who got there first. He located next to you and not vice versa.

Anyway, Mr. Huber, you are smart. Don't make the same mistake twice. Don't speak about your case to people who have their minds made up due to their prejudices. Go on the OFFENSIVE and be RELENTLESS! Be STEADFAST in your approach. Ask for extra minutes as you did last time. Tell them you want as many minutes as Kevin Gallagher got last time when he rambled and rambled. He is a former council man and demand you get EQUAL TREATMENT.

The Scott count down has began! 9 and counting! Naperville should put up a count down board in downtown Naperville and the Carillon should clang on the day Scott is evicted!

Dan, I can walk into any restaurant around here and spot 10 things wrong according to standards in less than 5 minutes. Thanks for telling everyone they can expect the same lax standards.

Huber is a private citizen and if he causes any harm then simply sue him like any other normal private citizen who ever graces the sidewalks of the downtown area. Was that too difficult to figure out?

Joe..I am sure the city, the health department and the county inspect the procedure's for food preparation. The Hot Dog man has no more of a chance of harm than any other restaurant. His business insurance company also feels comfortable with the risk. This is called a legitimate business. If by chance he knew someone and networked to get his nice spot on the public way legally..good for him, smart business man.

Now with Mr. Huber's insurance company I am not sure, oh wait a second he didn't have to go through any of that did he? No permits, no inspections of Fort Huber and no insurance in case it causes harm.

This is about Fort Huber, not about the Hot Dog guy. You and CIJ have no argument so you have to cloud the issue with all these other conspiracies, freedom of speech and a dislike for the Naperville Government.

Oh look...the days are falling away just like the leaves on the trees.

9 Days and a Wakeup!

Dan,

What temperature does the hotdog man keep his food at and how frequently is the temperature checked and bacterial cultures taken of the food compartment(s) to ensure he's not endangering anyone's health by potentially serving food that's in the 'danger zone' ? Does he wash his hands each time after handling money? I sure hope so because those are some of the basic steps every food handler should know and practice religiously if they care about their customers and are not out to just make a quick buck at the expense of their customer's health.

CIJ..one more thing, I think it is unfair to blame Huber for all 15 million in lost revenue...maybe a third of that on Scott, the rest is the economy.

10 Days and Wakeup!

CIJ, you must be taking lesson from our apologist President. Your gushing apology was just as sad as the Presidents for doing nothing wrong.
We are sorry Bush was delusional and liberated 50 million (mostly Muslim) people from the tyranny of a brutal mass murderer.
So I am hoping he does forgive you. You are perfect person for an apology from Huber!

You always seem to forget the facts, the hotdog man is there legally!! He pays a fee, and taxes to be there. So he adds to the equation not subtracts like Mr. Huber does. Mr. Huber is a vacuum of time and money and tries to nothing but beg for money and demand narcissistic attention. If there is a choice for the public way, I want the hot dog man.

Mr. Huber is smart like a fox, sets up a (protest) in affluent suburb, uses point of sale signage and puts your cup out playing on the guilt of a suburban person feeling fortunate to do well.

I promise this CIJ, if somehow he gets to stay through enablers like you, I will build marketing kits to hand out to homeless people in downtown Chicago, Aurora and Joliet. The kit will include all of the stuff Huber uses, train passes to get to Naperville and a nice big plastic cup. You know why? Mr. Huber deserves to have some competition. I want the very best (protesters) for Naperville. I think a (protester) would be nice every block or so. I could choose my handout on whom has the best (protest). Won't downtown be fun then? I can't wait.

Merely...

10 Days and a Wakeup

Bfife,
If Scott has not snapped in 8 years, he ain't going to snap.

I would be more worried about all those drunks coming out of the bars and using their cars as guided missiles.

Bush had DELUSIONS and HALLUCINATIONS that Saddam had nuclear weapons. Should we take him to the hospital, too?

Scott simply believes that the CIA and the NPD raided his storage shed and stole 1.7 to 2 million dollars worth of valuables. Maybe a friend lied to him and told him he saw the clandestine operation and he simply believed him or her.

I honestly don't think downtown Naperville would be the same without Mr. Huber. I always check to see what he is up to when I pass by. A few times I actually went downtown just to see him and shopped at surrounding stores.

So one can say he is kind of a DRAW for the downtown merchants. He spends his money he collects from contributions at downtown businesses since he has no transportation. He helps the downtown economy just like any other citizen who shops there.

We had $15 million less of sales in Naperville last year. Our sales tax revenue was down $1,049,000 or some number like that speaking from memory of financial reports I read. Let us not be fussy and be thankful to him for living and spending his money in our town that generates badly needed SALES TAX. While he does not pay REAL ESTATE TAX, the more he spends the more he helps keep our REAL ESTATE TAX BILLS lower.

Before picking on Mr. Huber, ask yourselves what the Drunken Sailors running this town have done to reduce your real estate taxes....NOTHING! ZERO! ZILCH!

Let us all please think positive and leave this uniquely brave man alone. He is minding his own business and we need to mind our own business.

The only one blocking sidewalks downtown is Margo Ely's Friend, Joey the Hot Dog Man. I took quite a few pictures the other day and I intend to give them to Mr. Huber so he can show the JURY how city officials lie and lie about him blocking sidewalks and endangering pedestrians.

I have little doubt Mr. Huber will prevail in court. The Napergate Man may one day lose his distinction of being the only man to bring City Hall down.

Hopefully, one day Mr. Huber will understand I am not the enemy and bave obeyed his orders not to trespass on Porqupine Quills property. I have never trespassed again after being issued my first warning. I apologized to him for not knowing I had trespassed the first time, if in fact I did. Hopefully, he will not be so stubborn and accept my apology.

CIJ

What I don't understand is why this has taken so long. I watched the video of the last meeting, there were some good ideas there. I particularly liked the notion of cleaning up the area when Hubert is off doing something else. A shame the City Atty. couldn't agree with that. I think it's time, for any number of reasons, to make this change.
BUT... having nothing to do with my support for moving Huber out of his camp, I will NEVER, under any circumstances go to the comedy club down there, after watching that guy give his testimony. I'm sure he's frustrated by something or other, but man... that was over the top, unnecessary and all but unhinged.
I won't patronize either of these two.

If Scott is supposedly suffering from DELUSIONS and HALLUCINATIONS he should be taken to the Hospital ASAP for an evaluation as this situation may eventually cause him to snap and who knows what will happen next!

For your convenience the September 15, 2009 City Council Meeting video link...Check it out yourself!.... naperville.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&cli...

Scott M. Huber

9:10 AM CDT
9-27-09

THE CITY OF NAPERVILLE INSISTS THAT THE VIDEO OF THE COUNCIL MEETING IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC:

“With respect to the video of the Council meeting, it has been on the City’s website since a couple hours after the meeting." Margo Ely City Legal Director.

However numerous people outside the City's internal server ARE NOT ABLE TO RECEIVE IT INCLUDING NAPERVILLE PUBLIC LIBRARY! The video link comes up with a viewer but no video. If you highlight the screen you find this message:

"The system was unable to find an appropriate server for the content you requested, the content may be behind a firewall or may be in the process of transferring to a distribution server. Please try again later. Thank you for your patience."

Obviously the video is still behind their firewall and NOT available to other than those on their home facilities server allowing City employees to see it but not the public.

FOR YOUR CONVENIENCE CABLE IS PLAYING THE SEPTEMBER 15, 2009 COUNCIL MEETINGS THIS COMING MONDAY AND TUESDAY AT 1:00 PM SEPTEMBER 28 AND 29 RESPECTIVELY. IT WILL BE AIRED ON WCNC CHANNEL 6 ON WOW, CHANNEL 10 ON COMCAST AND CHANNEL 99 ON AT&T.

HAVE YOUR VIDEO RECORDERS AND DVDS RUNNING AND PRESERVE THE PORTIONS OF THE MEETING NECESSARY FOR YOUR CLOSE SCRUTINY. ISSUES REGARDING ME ARE TITLED "N2"!

I do believe that if a vote on the new ordinance is to happen on 10-6-09 it should be delayed until after the video is adequately published so all the public can conveniently view the September 15, 2009 meetings and have proper time to scrutinize them! The video will NOT have been available to the general public for almost TWO weeks come this Tuesday 9-29-09! Its delay has also seriously hampered my posting of comments on the meeting for you to consider even though now the City has provided me with a DVD copy this last week of which now I have to set up special equipment so to view!

Scott M. Huber

7:58 AM CDT
9-27-09

By Dan on September 26, 2009 5:53 PM
Now there the is CIJ I know....even used the word Bedouin. Pushed the CIA in there...love it. Brilliant. Welcome Back!

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It is nice to be back Dan, even though I never felt like I left.

But regardless, thanks for the Welcome Back!

But I still believe Mr. Huber has a right to protest his DELUSIONS and HALLUCINATIONS 24/7 even while he is sleeping as long as he has signs up which he always does. He could say he is there to make sure no one removes his signs. Unfortuantely, OJ proved that he could be a heavy sleeper. I always thought he was a very light sleeper. Maybe he had a bad day and was exhausted from reading 5 blog sites all about HIMSELF. He is getting more publicity than he can handle and I believe that was one of his goals or objectives. The next is to get a pro bono attorney from all this publicity and OJ may have tipped us to the fact that one is actually considering his case.

Pro bono attorneys don't really work for free. They work for the publicity which is cheaper and better than any advertising they could buy. They love the notoriety that comes from high publicity cases. They love making a name for themselves and distancing themselves from their colleagues in a very competitive business. I think it makes sense to take a high publicity case pro bono if you are an attorney trying to make a name for yourself.

Of course the name is made by winning the case and not losing the case. So I believe a pro bono attorney will fight hard for Mr. Huber. Let us hope he gets the Napergate quality attorneys that won and not the Furstenau quality attorneys that lost.

It is hard not to root for the UNDERDOG here. If Margo Ely and her legal department lose this case to Mr. Huber, I suspect they would have to resign if the Sun puts some pressure on them. If they resign, we the taxpayers can save 1.4 million dollars annually. We don't need attorneys to farm out cases. The City Manager should have the ability to farm out legal cases to outside law firms without the help of an in-house almost borderline useless legal department.

I really do believe Mr. Huber is on very strong legal grounds to win his case. I have been involved in 25 legal cases including some Civil Rights Litigation and Libel Cases so I am expressing more than just an opinion of a layman who has never been to a court of law even though I am of couse no expert in these matters. Going to court is like playing Russion Roulette. Anyone can win or lose. One has to understand the City of Naperville is gambling. They need to understand the risks they are taking. Just like they should have understood the risks they were taking before losing $20.55 million in their P and F Pension Funds.

They thought there were no risks in the 10 year legal battle against the Napergate Man when they initiated it. They found out otherwise after losing $10 million BIG BUCKS! Let us hope they will not find otherwise in Huber v. Naperville. But sadly you already have the Mayor declaring Mr. Huber not HOMELESS but in fact a STRIKER and CM Bob saying that an e-mail conspiracy exists against Mr. Huber and that the new ordinance is directly specifically against him. Margo added insult to injury when she stated the new ordinance only applies to downtown and not all of Naperville. Guess where Mr. Huber is located? Dah! Incompetence Galore!!!

If Margo Ely was a decent attorney, she would have ordered all CITY OFFICIALS muzzled before immenent and pending litigation. She would have ordered the council into Executive Session for the discussion about Mr. Huber. She did not! Thus allowing them to insert FOOT IN MOUTH as Mr. Huber likes to say. Truly amazing!

CIJ

Now there the is CIJ I know....even used the word Bedouin. Pushed the CIA in there...love it. Brilliant. Welcome Back!

By bfife on September 25, 2009 11:39 AM
Lets all say it again! If and when Scott is finally forced to move, he has no legal basis for any type of law suit! I believe the IRS should audit Scott as he is failing to pay taxes on the money people give him,which is income!!

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Charitable contributions received by a poor man are not taxable. As long as people give him less than $11,000 per person, the donors are also not subject to tax. It may be up to 12k now, the amount you can give to any individual without taxation.

Huber is on fumes. The IRS is after money and not fumes.

I doubt the IRS would like to sneak in his 2 by 2 yard encampment to audit him especially in the winter. I am guessing IRS agents want a little warmth and comfort when they audit. Huber could make sure his generator is not working the day IRS Agents arrive. They could never handle the outdoors the way a very weathered man can. Huber is in a state of "mind and body tolerance" where he feels Alaskan winters are warm. He is probably the only human being on earth who is cold blooded like reptiles instead of warm blooded like mammals.

Huber does not even have a table or chair for the IRS Agents to sit on. Maybe they can find an IRS Agent of Bedouin ancestory who does not mind sitting on the floor while auditing. However, never underestimate the IRS. They are capable of ANYTHING!

We already have the CIA and Naperville Police teamed up and conspiring against Mr. Huber. Do we really want to add the IRS in the mix? Keep in mind since the CIA and NPD "stole" $1.7 - $2 million from his storage shed, the IRS may have to grant him a major loss deduction which would negate any taxable income he may collect from OJ for fixing his DVD player. Of course, if you been following this soap opera, OJ made an appointment to see Mr. Huber and he simply could not wake him up on 2 attempts. It appears Mr. Huber has no taxable income or interest in taxable income. He wants his fumes doused with charity, not taxable income. Maybe, he is a step ahead of the IRS, due to his healthy paranoia after his massive losses to the CIA and NPD.

"How soon until the residence of this quite deluded person can be moved off public property?"

Probably around the same time frame the Health Department crawls up every food vendor's backside with a microscope.

How soon until the residence of this quite deluded person can be moved off public property?

Lets all say it again! If and when Scott is finally forced to move, he has no legal basis for any type of law suit! I believe the IRS should audit Scott as he is failing to pay taxes on the money people give him,which is income!!

CIJ said: The Mayor screwed up and declared him NOT HOMELESS. Thus Scott Huber can now claim with authority he is not homeless and only there to PROTEST. This became a 1st Amendment Case as soon as his highness and holiness spoke.
Others have much the same thing, but the 1st Amendment simply doesn't work that way, and this is far from cut and dried. So, Mayor McCheese says Huber isn't homeless - all well and good, but that doesn't mean perforce that he gets to actively live on the street. A right to protest is a relatively basic tenant of our government, though you'll note that it is not specific in the 1st Amendment, nor is it delineated anywhere that the the right is total, or without limit. Nothing in the proposed legislation, nothing, removes the right of protest, it only says that one cannot camp on the streets of downtown Naperville. Nothing more, nor less. The protest can continue, and certainly will, albeit in a different form. Rights are not being curtailed here, but the city is proposing a limitation of other means, which seems well within it's rights.
By the way, it also seems to come up on a fairly regular basis that the proposed legislation is tailored for one person. First, it is not illegal to do this, though generally it is frowned upon. The proposal indicates that no one, without permit, may camp on the streets of downtown. Yes, huber is the only one I am aware of that is currently doing this, but please note that the proposal doesn't say Huber cannot camp on the streets of downtown. It's quite different. Laws and ordinances are often put into place to curb the behaviors of one person, and as long as they're created in such a way to apply broadly, it is perfectly legal.
Remember, the nature of the politico-legal process is change, within parameters. The rights of the people are paramount, but that doesn't mean that anyone can do anything, law and ordinance is put into place to regulate society, and in this case the Council is well within their rights to make this proposal and to pass it if they will.
Those that have a limited understanding of 1st Amendment cases see this as a huge liability for the City. I contend that they are wrong, and that this is a fairly standard kind of legislative initiative across the country, and particularly in suburban settings.
Waving the threat of huge legal awards is not a reason to avoid making decisions, Were this the case, no law or ordinance would ever get passed, and we'd still be living under the oldest social compacts.

And CIJ will revel in the fact that someone sues the city and will cheer their victory if they win. CIJ vehemently dislikes the status quo, the "establishment" and anyone or anything that doesn't agree with his view of how the world should be.

Joe, fine he comes back downtown everyday and protests...good for him! He is in his rights.
He will not move and camp other places, 1. a private resident would have him pushed away by the cops. 2, NO DONATIONS. Huber lives where he lives because his donation cup is always open. He is in a high traffic area, just like my new found buddy the hotdog guy. Huber's business..collecting money...Tax Free, without a license. He is smart enough to know that the move from downtown cuts off his income, and he you can't protest legitimately with a cup jingling coins.

CIJ..Whistle blowing..a dramatic desperate argument don't you think?
Whistle blowing is for fraud and theft purposes. Whistle blower's get paid a sum percentage of the fraud or theft perpetrated, so your argument is mute.

As far as the mayor in a meeting debate contending Huber is homeless or not homeless doesn't matter. He wasn't testifying in a court of law. What does matter is he's living on public property. Simplifying your argument would mean the mayor could deed that spot to Scott. The mayor does not have the power to give property away. The mayor is the top administrator over a governing body, he is not a judge a cannot deem anything to anyone. So he might have expressed an opinion, but that's it.

A mentally ill Scott Huber cannot claim a thing with authority and all though sad a lawyer would tear him up on the stand.

I state again, this is not a First Amendment issue, Naperville cannot be sued for damages because there are none.

SO please, if you want to be concerned find a safe solution for Scott. You yourself mentioned he is breaking down. It's inhumane not to remove him and put him in a safe place. You are just empowering his narcissistic tendencies, and feeding his delusion.

I am freeking narcissistic from having all these entries in a blog. Poor Chris Magee has to put up with me. Maybe he should ask me to be removed from my protest site..geesh

almost...

13 days and a wakeup!

By Dan on September 24, 2009 6:32 PM

Once again this has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment. Setting up a residence on public property is not a given right in the First or any amendment.

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The Mayor screwed up and declared him NOT HOMELESS. Thus Scott Huber can now claim with authority he is not homeless and only there to PROTEST. This became a 1st Amendment Case as soon as his highness and holiness spoke.

And as OJ said, e-mails exist showing the City conspired to remove Mr. Huber by specifically passing an ordinance to target him.

CM Bob has already blown the whistle on his colleagues. I think the US Govt. now pays whistle blowers so he may have a nice sum of money coming his way.

I don't care what anyone says but this smells more like another Napergate than a Furstenaugate, meaning Huber will win instead of lose.

Dan, actually if you want to talk semantics, the company was 'sold' with the first warrants and debentures and taking in of other people's money long before going public. However, there are these nifty things called stock options and forward splits that worked out quite nicely.

Regardless of the ordinance, Mr. Huber still has his first amendment rights and can exercise them each day in that exact same spot providing he does his sleeping just outside of the downtown area and there's not a thing that can be done about it. Then what? Yet another law again specifically tweaked yet again to target him? At that point it's beginning to look and sound even more like a pattern of specific harassment by the City against the individual especially if one starts combing through the City's email system for corroboration. This is beginning to look like a re-run.

This is why I think it's going to eventually be a First Amendment issue and why it's a dumb idea to even go forward with it.

Well you proved two things with your last statement. One don't do well with semantics. When your company supposedly went public, that's when your company was sold..not after.

Secondly I agree, they don't need another law they have plenty of laws that cover this now, and should remove him tonight.

The lawyers felt they need an exact law, and that's where there headed.

Now go be a nice researcher and show me anywhere in the country where this has been challenged. You won't find this. Even the ACLU whose motivation seems un-American and the a proponent for anarchy has agreed this is a just cause, and as long as people are treated humanly it is okay to relocate them.

Once again this has NOTHING to do with the First Amendment. Setting up a residence on public property is not a given right in the First or any amendment.

Now there was a Homesteading Act in 1862 that gave Homesteader's 160 acres. I don't think downtown Naperville is included in that.

14 days and a wakeup!

TB,

I don't think anyone should give Mr. Huber a dime but at the same time let him be to 'protest' for as long as he chooses to or simply one day doesn't wake up.

Dan,

Did the whole startup company in a garage, got private placement investment, went public, company got bought. Been there, done that.

Mr. Huber was and continues to operate within the law afforded to him by the First Amendment of the Constitution. Naperville had to INVENT a law SPECIFICALLY to use as a "legality" to attempt to remove him in spite of his First Amendment rights. That is not 'anarchy'. It's called targeted legislation. Thank you for demonstrating that my assumption about your understanding of the word was indeed correct.

Once and for all lets cut to the chase! This is only about Scott Huber! Not Napergate, pensions,civil rights violations or law suits!!! There is no legal basis for Scott to sue for period! It's plan and simple a City ordinance was passed and time for Scott to go!

After Scott is removed, Naperville has to foot the bill to steam clean the soiled spot or replace the concrete!!

Once and for all lets cut to the chase! This is only about Scott Huber! Not Napergate, pensions,civil rights violations or law suits!!! There is no legal basis for Scott to sue for period! It's plan and simple a City ordinance was passed and time for Scott to go!

The DF and (possible) Huber lawsuit fear factor is out of hand. There’s a reason the city didn’t pay off DF for his BS lawsuit--because the city was right. And the city is right to remove Huber, too, fear of litigation or not.

If the only reaction you have to a lawsuit (or threat of one) is to pay them off to avoid litigation costs, then the city would soon be deluged by people who were somehow wronged but will agree not to sue for a small fee of $25K or $50K. We’d be every con man’s ATM.

T.B.

Joe,

I am flattered you think I'm the hotdog vendor. Anytime you think of me as a self stating entrepreneur that's building a business it is a wonderful compliment. Try it sometime, you might like it.

Joe I clearly understand the word Anarchy, this may help you in understanding we all can't just so what we want. If we all did what Scott is doing we would never have a society we can trust.

Anarchy;
1. a state of society without government or law.
2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy.
3. a theory that regards the absence of all direct or coercive government as a political ideal and that proposes the cooperative and voluntary association of individuals and groups as the principal mode of organized society.
4. confusion; chaos; disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy
followed his loss of faith.

Alas, spending money on law and order is never wasteful.

Headed downtown to meet my entrepreneurial brother for a hotdog.

Look at that now it's only...

14 days and a wakeup!

There is a strong sense of passive aggression in Huber's ramblings.

Look, I've said this before. Scott GROWLED at my 11 year old kid for sitting on "his" bench by Barnes & Noble. They removed that bench to force him down the block. I have a lesser opinion than most of you on the subject of his harmless nature.

Dan,

Stating that Mr. Huber situated on public property is anarchy clearly shows that you have no clue what the word means.

".if Scott had a case they'd be there"

Nothing has been done yet to cause a case to be brought forward.

"Most of you hate Naperville and can't wait to see it fail. "

Most of us rational people hate the wasteful spending that the City does that is CAUSING us to fail. This would be just one more thing to add to the list.

Good luck selling those hot dogs. Mr. Huber being there or not isn't going to impact the business one direction or the other.

Go Dan!!! The voice of reason! Good bye Scott, take care.

Amen Dan!

Barbie Doll without a Brain..???

There you go again, the great wizard of oz has spoken again.

This is not a Civil Rights Case!!! You throw that around like you know what your talking about. His rights are based on real property he might own. If the city told him and him only to remove a tent from his front yard that would be a violation.

He has a right to protest.
He has a right to be homeless
He has NO rights to take up residence on the street on public property.

I am tired of people stating..leave him alone, who's he bothering.
It is not about Scott Huber, it's about the state of law and order in society.
I have the right to run a red light, but if get caught I have to pay the consequences.

It is not okay to squat on pubic property! That is anarchy. You don't get to do whatever you want under the banner of Civil Rights.

You're wrong about Legal firms, I can tell you first hand..if Scott had a case they'd be there. He would never be able to testify with any credibility and you all know that.

Most of you hate Naperville and can't wait to see it fail.

Sad Really..Really Sad.

15 days and a wakeup!

Anonymous,
Mr. Huber does not growl at anyone. He is a quiet well behaved paranoid schizophrenic. My friend, who is also a PS does unfortunately growl at people, many times for no reason.

While I believe he is homeless, Mayor Pradel declared him not homeless and weakend the city's case against him. Thus if he is not homeless, he is purely a striker. He is entitled to strike 24/7 and he is. When he is sleeping or dozing off, he has 2 signs out of his encampment indicating he is protesting. He can say he is a light dozer-offer and is there to protect his signs at night.

Did you see the man's back when he walked up to the podium in Chambers. It is almost a hunchback. This indicates he has not been sleeping as we know sleeping. He has been dozing off in a sitting position and literally destroying his back day by day. He needs a Chiroprator more urgently than a PRO BONO attorney in my opinion.

Mr. Huber is paying a heavy price for protesting a "NO CAUSE." Leave him alone till he comes to his senses or dies. Maybe our kids will be around when he dies and see Naperville win the title of the Best City to Live In. After all the Cubs have not won anything in 101 years so why do we care so much if we can not win a title here or there. We will survive just like the Cubs survive. I say instead of evicting Mr. Huber, get him a goat and let us see if the animal can jinx him into leaving....lol....

At least a goat is cheaper than one half hour of legal fees. We can almost balance the budget if we stop using these outside law firms and terminate Margo Ely and her 11.5 staff members most of whom are attorneys who obviously do not carry their weight very well.

OJ's comment shows why we should go to the system of making a person who brings a losing lawsuit pay. Any lawsuit by Huber would be frivolous as no one has the right to make their permanent home on a public sidewalk. Any attorney that takes this case on a pro bono basis should be made to pay all costs when he loses.

Will someone please explain why Mr Huber is entitled to live 24/7 on public property? Not opinion, fact - what legal basis is there for this? Don't wrap this up in a right to protest farce. This man, by apparent common agreement, is mentally ill in some way. I have read of people saying he should be "protected", "cared for", " provided for", etc. How is letting him stay inn place, doing any of that? Does he need to growl at people when they walk past? He may not be dangerous to anyone but himself, but from reading his posting here, it appears to me that he is not in full control of his mental faculties and is quite delusional about certain thing.

By Original Joe on September 23, 2009 2:43 AM

Great use of taxpayer money. It will be even more 'funny' how much it costs the city to defend the lawsuit that comes next. I talked to an attorney in the neighborhood that would take this one pro-bono on principle alone. Great work oh mighty elected officials. Just piss our money away on more stupid pointless stuff that funnels money to your hired law firms. Thanks.

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I agree with you, OJ. They learned nothing from the $1.5 million they pissed away on the Furstenau Case(1.5 years) and the $10 million they pissed on the Napergate Case.(10 years) I guess these Civil Rights cases run at a cost of about 1 million per year per case to the taxpayer....roughly.

The more publicity Mr. Huber gets, the better chance an attorney will represent him pro bono. Attorneys, can make a name for themselves on high profile cases, which money can not buy in advertising. And if an attorney can win this case, his profile and hourly fee will most likely SKYROCKET.

I am sure the Napergate Attorneys made names for themselves after their win against City Hall. While they did not work pro bono, it appears they worked for below market based on the $74,500, Blogger TB, uncovered from a Federal Lawusit filed by the Napergate Man. The reason it cost the City so much money is that it retained outside law firms as in the Furstenau Case who have no interest in watching for the taxpayer's pocketbooks. These firms are usually from Chicago and only care about milking the Naperville Taxpayers as much as they deem appropriate.(BTW, if this pro bono attorney wins the case, he can file a suit against us for his fees. In the Napergate Case, the attorneys charged the Napergate Man but then recovered his legal fees for him so in essence it did not cost him anything. I assume his Civil Rights Case was handled on a contingency...maybe TB knows since he discovered or uncovered this 7th Circuit Court of Appeals Case.)

Mr. Scott Huber's case will be a CIVIL RIGHTS case along the line of Furstenau and the Napergate Man. If history repeats itself, the in-house 12.5 member legal dept. will delegate the Huber v. Naperville Case to the high-powered high-priced outside legal firms.

I really think if this happens one more time, the City Council needs to dissolve the Legal Dept. once and for all. This will save us taxpayers nearly $1.4 million dollars in mostly salaries. I doubt their dept. is allocated the pro rata rent or electricity for the space they occupy in City Hall, but that we taxpayers subsidize with our real estate taxes.

What say you Chief Attorney Margo Ely? You want Scott Huber removed from a sidewalk, but are you ready to defend against the pro bono attorney OJ mentioned? Or are you going to run to the Chicago Law Firms for the rescue for a 3rd consecutive time? This is geting very old and tiring Margo. It is time for you to get a hot dog cart and set up shop next to your buddy Joey. And hope the next City Attorney does not sue you for obstructing a Naperville sidewalk. Get with it Margo and knock some sense in the City Council who appear to be pushing you around like you are some Barbie Doll without a Brain....of course, that is when you are not playing the role of a potted plant for them. Either stand up to them or RESIGN!

Enough is Enough of this NONSENSE! It has gone to far, Margo!

Yeah, Chris, I’ll manage. That was just a bit of sarcasm.

I just thought the Sun could find a better use for the space, that’s all. Since Anon and I independently reached the same conclusion our viewpoint must have some merit, right? Ha!

T.B.

So, the city will pay X number of people Y amount of money per hour to remove his belonging and it will bring 0 more additional business to the downtown area because the economy just sucks donkey gonads.

Great use of taxpayer money. It will be even more 'funny' how much it costs the city to defend the lawsuit that comes next. I talked to an attorney in the neighborhood that would take this one pro-bono on principle alone. Great work oh mighty elected officials. Just piss our money away on more stupid pointless stuff that funnels money to your hired law firms. Thanks.

The reason why the Sun has 16,000-17,000 subscribers last time I checked is because it expresses more than one viewpoint and one opinion. It allows freedom of expression by its subscribers and bloggers. It rarely censors anything. The Daily Herald is very monopolistic in its views and as a result its readership in Naperville is a touch above zero.

Mego expresses the anti-Establishment opinion. I don't care for his view on the Central Park Band Shell, but I like his view that the City is using Scott Huber to hide its incompetence leading to high taxation. I even share his viewpoint and arrived at it independently from him.

If 2 people arrive at the same conclusion independently, it usually has some merit.

I wonder if Scott Huber thinks he is being used as a scapegoat. I passed by him a few times lately and he has been typing with 2 fingers but apparently he must be writing for one of his own sites that I am not allowed to visit. So I have no clue what is going on with Mr. Huber.

I wish he would lift the restriction on his Porcupine Quills so I can enter legally and see what he is saying as of late. I guess the day of reckoning is coming Oct 6. My understanding is the City Council will give him a 30 day eviction notice on that date. If he does not move they will probably trash his belongings when he goes to take a shower and he will have nothing when he returns. It is really a sad situation. I doubt they will trash his belongings in his presence and create a scene. I suspect a pick-up truck from the city will come by and 4 workers will load up his plastic tent and whatever is in it in about 2 mintues flat. He may be given an opportunity to retrieve his belongings for 30 days, if he is willing to pay the cost to remove them and a $100 fine. I suspect he will need a couple of hundred dollars to retrieve his status quo in another part of town. He stated to me he will be moving 100 feet East but since hearing that Margo Ely drew the boundaries of downtown to Ellsworth and grabbed a big chunk of North Central College and decided half the college is downtonw and the other half is East Naperville. If that is not the basis for litigation, I don't know what is.

I wish City Officals would leave him alone and discuss how they lost 20.5 million dollars in their P and F Pension Funds in the last fiscal year. If I did not enjoy being Anonymous, I would be one of those 3 minutes speakers asking for more time to blast this Pension Tsunami.

My apologies for not double-checking the auto-numbering in my last post. Oops. But I think you get the idea.

As for Mego, I can't fathom why the Sun continues to publish his column. If I didn't want to keep in touch with what was going on in the city, I would cancel my subscription based solely on Mego.

Hey Chris, can I pay extra for a Sun subscription with Mego's columns edited out? I'd probably pay allot for such an option as I don't care for his opinions and, like Anon, I’m tired of hearing his boring articles about the Central Park band shell.

T.B.

Now mego finds Naperville full of mean spirited people because they oppose the building of box houses on public property. Mego has made it clear, in the past, that the schools are inferior and the teachers and administrators have no idea of what they're doing; City Councilmen are pretty much in the same boat along with the Naperville Police according to Mego. Oh, but he LOVES the band even though the extravagant new band shell cost over three million dollars out of general revenue and even though it is grossly over-sized for Central Park. Maybe Scott should be relocated to Central Park, front-row-center-stage, so mego can chat with him during next summer's band concerts. By then the new bathrooms, which mego wants to see there, will be available for Scott's use.

To Anonymous on 09/18/09 @ 8:47 pm and Christina Guess on 09/18/09 at 9:05 pm –

I’ll assume you’re one and the same since you’re writings are very similar and you both like to type in all caps (especially Christina).

I think there are several things you fail to see here in this debate (I’ll use this term even though it’s more of a discussion dominated by one person’s personal agenda).

1) Nobody is trying to take away anyone’s First Amendment rights. Huber is free to protest and strike all he wants. The problem here is that he’s not really protesting anything. He’s just using this as an excuse to live on the sidewalk. Maybe Huber got a raw deal in life, but that happens to lots of people. Was he wronged in a business venture? Go to civil court. Someone stole your stuff? File a police report. There’s no need for the city to make Huber whole again, even if it could. The idea that the city owes him anything is pure fantasy. If he has a real protest, then he can live in an apartment or at PADS and walk the street with a picket sign like a real strike.

2) You understand that people just can’t just squat anywhere (your words), but then go on to justify why Huber should be allowed to stay. You also mention that he’s been there for eight years as if that’s some kind of precedent. What happened when we have two Hubers? How about five? Or ten? Stop the problem now.

3) The idea that people in Naperville want him moved because he doesn’t pay property taxes is sarcasm. You may have missed that.

4) Huber may be “harmless” as you say, but for how long? If he’s not mentally stable, who’s going to be responsible if he does commit a violent crime? Wouldn’t the city bare some responsibility if they do nothing now? A recent murder in Woodstock, VT has made the people there remorseful because they didn’t do enough to stop a small-time thief who they considered harmless and just stealing to get by. Now it appears he’s murdered someone. Why not force Huber into getting help now?

4) How do you justify lumping all Naperville residents in with your personal stereotype of our city? While not a perfect city, I think that if you opened your eyes you would find a city full of people without an “overwhelming need…for useless items….” Many of these people have given Huber money and food. If we were the narrow-minded and overwhelming materialistic jerks you describe, Huber would long ago have moved his “protest/strike” to greener pastures. In fact, Naperville has been just the opposite for Huber—we’ve been his enablers by providing for him as he squats illegally on public property.

4) The city and many private individuals have tried to reach out to Huber and offer him assistance. This was first detailed in an article Chief Dial wrote in the Sun (well before the Tribune article). Huber has steadfastly refused all offers. You can’t save someone from themselves. If he’s not insane enough to be involuntarily committed, the best you can do is let him know that help is available when he decides he needs it and stop enabling his self-destructive behavior.

Naperville is more compassionate than you think it is, but we also refuse to be played for fools.

T.B.

Mr. McGee. Direct question. Does CIJ get to post non-relevant opinions off subject because he or she was here first? Does CIJ's opinion's have more merit because CIJ was blogging here before us (newer)folks have?

17 days and a wake-up.

CIJ, I was not mocking you, I was doing exactly what Just Nancy pointed out. Only I added humor to mute your bullying shrill writing because people dare disagree with you.

As to the as the respected columnist Mego. A few weeks ago he basically dared the ACLU to get into the act and sue to protect the soon to be law breaking Huber. He was wringing his hands in glee at the chance to litigate more anarchy.

Once again you support Huber because it advances your argument. Like most elitest liberals, you use the poor and the indigent to build your own self worth. That is despicable.

Someone reported one Huber's arms may have a tremor. We should leave him on the street!?

Please keep all the pension comments out of this blog. You ignored Mr. Magee's request, as I knew you would. Like Scott you can't help it.

17 days and a wake-up.

Lady Nancy,
I am by far the most serious blogger on this blog site. I also have been here the longest. I am not a fly by nighter like most bloggers who come to get an ego lift or rise and disappear in a few weeks.

I believe in causes and that is what differentiates me from most of you folks and gives me lasting and sustaining power. You will be gone in a week or two like like Former WV Mom. You apparently have very thin skin and can not handle the slightest of critcism but feel a right to dish it out....just like your buddy Dan.

You basically expressed an opinion that you would like to see an old fragile mentally ill man removed from his home on the public sidewalk where he has lived peacefully for 8 years. I thought that was mean since this man seems to be happy and harmless. He has become famous being there. Maybe he enjoys his noteriety. Maybe he loves the outdoors. To each his own. Why are you jealous of him, Lady Nancy? I promise if you grab any sidewalk in Naperville to live on, I will not object. I will defend your rights just like I am defending, Mr. Huber rights. Now be a true LADY and start defending Mr. Huber's right to live peacefully amongst us even though he is a poor man living on fumes. He has got a lot more personality than a mountain as far as I am concerned and those folks at CNN/Money can eat their hearts out and rank us whatever they choose. I don't care what they rank us. I just don't want my tax dollars wasted on trying to evict Mr. Scott Huber from his home which he is striking from.

And just because the Mayor and Scott Huber say Mr. Huber is not HOMELESS that does not make it a fact. In fact, he is HOMELESS and gives his address as 75 E. Chicago Ave where he occupies 2 square yards of a sidewalk in front of the parking garage with the same address! He is only saying he is NOT HOMELESS so he has a better chance in court. He knows he is HOMELESS. But he is also STRIKING. That is why a labeled him exactly what he is....A HOMELESS STRIKER. I think I am right and everyone is wrong. I am actually sure of that. So if you want to label him, at least label him honestly as the HOMELESS STRIKER.

I simply disagreed with your opinion. Many like Dan attacked me for expressing my opinion as to why the City was picking on Mr. Huber. It is the same opinion expressed by Columnist Bill Mego of the Naperville Sun. People mocked me because I, as Bill Mego, believed the city was trying to distract from the mess it is in by getting the residents to focus on what they perceive as an "EYESORE."

I always discuss the subject of the thread. I don't start up with bloggers until they start up with me first. Maybe I do give them a heavier dozage of medicine than they give me but to a great extent it has worked and they no longer hassle me.(of course the Moderator had a lot to do with the childish attacks stopping.)

I think, Lady Nancy, you and Dan need to focus on the subjects of the threads and not me. There is a Moderater here that often tells me when he thinks I am out of line and have no problem listening to him. I just don't need every other blogger trying to tell me how to blog.

I am not here trying to be accepted or liked. I am here to expose corruption and improprieties in City Hall that increase my taxes and my neighbors taxes unfairly. Period! Mr. Huber does not increase my taxes one single penny.

Those Establishment Folks who reach out for Seca Tax Funds increase my taxes and anger me. Those police who sit in jury boxes like potted plants increase my taxes and anger me. Those teachers who receive 25% raises the last 4 years on the job to milk the pension fund anger me.

I was downtown this weekend and it was so busy, beautiful and peaceful. No armies of bikes, motorcycles, ATV's or whatever these police ride in the summer "stealing" our tax money. If cops are needed in the summer, where were they this Saturday Night when downtown was packed to the hilt and bustling. There were only a couple of cops and that is what is exactly necessary. Those 12-17 cops and a canine dog you see in the summer are such a waste of taxpayer hard earned money. Just an obvious attempt to give school cops work instead of laying them off for the summer and having them collect state unemployment benefits instead of our Naperville tax money. Or at least have them work for cops who accumulated OT so we can eliminate our 3 million in OT per year. Scott Huber does not waste any taxpayer money. Why is he a focus of City Hall and the Police Dept. when he is doing nothing wrong and wasting no taxpayer money?

If some in City Hall had any common sense, they would re-route the 3 million in wasted OT to be diverted to the Pension Fund in order to rebuild it instead of wasting it on unnecessary OT.

You can see that I can not concentrate on an Anonymous Person like you Lady Nancy. You are not the issue. You are a nobody just like everyone else and I. It is not about us bloggers. It is about corruption in City Hall that is affecting 144,000 residents in order that 1100 City Employees can be rich and retired at ages 50-55 while the rest of us break our backs and bank accounts trying to support them. What don't you get, Lady Nancy?

Stop worrying about Mr. Huber. He is a smokescreen as Mr. Mego wrote in his column. Nothing more and nothing less. Worry about how your City Officials are ripping you off day and night by wasting your tax dollars like a bunch of drunken sailors. The real poster boy in this town is not Mr. Huber. The real Poster Boy is Assistant City Attorney Robert Marshall who is hammering us for an 85k pension while being gainfully employed by us for another 150k or more. At the same time he is hitting us for another pension. This guy will have collected 10 million with his 3% annual raises if he lives to be 100 just from his First Pension money excluding his salary. Keep in mind he will have a Second Pension that I am awaiting for CM Bob to reveal how large it will be, so I can make my final computation of what really amounts to TRIPLE DIPPING and not DOUBLE DIPPING.

To me this is INSANITY. Mr. Huber almost represents sanity despite his MENTAL ILLNESS. Let us pleae leave the man alone. As someone said he reminds me of a well fit Santa Claus. May God Bless him and keep him healthy this upcoming Christmas Season and many more. Doesn't any one even notice the beauty of the Christmas lights and decorations he puts up every Holiday? Mr. Huber has a lot of true spirit. We need to learn to be spirited just like him. Sometimes he even reminds me of Jesus Christ and the hard life he lived on this earth before ascending to Heaven to join his Father.

CIJ

How ironic that some see 'faults' in others, yet when they demonstrate the same behaviors - exponentially - they think they are justified? A perfect example of this is as follows:

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 21, 2009 7:27 AM
By Dan on September 18, 2009 12:09 AM
Might I suggest reading the last CIJ post as the Wizard of Oz would when he was still behind the curtains with the flames and such.
It's really dramatic then.

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This is a perfect example why the Moderator has called certain bloggers Kindergarten Children.

This is a serious topic, Dan. Please leave your crayons at home when you come to class. We need to try to get you promoted to the first grade at some point in your life.

You seem to want to mock people such as Mr. Huber who are mentally ill but harmless to society and pose no threat to anyone. This is really totally inappropriate behavior on your behalf.

If he bothers you, wear those blinders another blogger suggested when you pass by him and seal your lips. No one really wants to hear your nonsense anymore. It has reached the point of beyond DEAFENING. First, we had Fed Up with His Own Noise and now we have YOU!
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I believe Dan's above comment was in response to the venomous and antagonistic post on September 17, 2009 9:51 PM by CIJ. If you read the 9/17/09 9:51 PM post by CIJ, you will see a prime example of bullying and Kindergarten Childish behavior at its best.
It takes a lot of nerve to post the above comment after spewing such garbage toward others. That is taking a serious subject and making a mockery out of it with unprofessional, childish, and distracting behavior. CIJ should not bother expecting others to listen when s/he is so obviously unable to clearly see all the facts and unable to debate in a peaceful manner. Shame on you, CIJ, for admonishing others for doing the same thing you do, but not to the degree that you do it!

By Dan on September 18, 2009 12:09 AM
Might I suggest reading the last CIJ post as the Wizard of Oz would when he was still behind the curtains with the flames and such.
It's really dramatic then.

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This is a perfect example why the Moderator has called certain bloggers Kindergarten Children.

This is a serious topic, Dan. Please leave your crayons at home when you come to class. We need to try to get you promoted to the first grade at some point in your life.

You seem to want to mock people such as Mr. Huber who are mentally ill but harmless to society and pose no threat to anyone. This is really totally inappropriate behavior on your behalf.

If he bothers you, wear those blinders another blogger suggested when you pass by him and seal your lips. No one really wants to hear your nonsense anymore. It has reached the point of beyond DEAFENING. First, we had Fed Up with His Own Noise and now we have YOU!

The City of Naperivlle has an $81.6 million deficit in its Police and Fire Pensions and is worrying about a HOMELESS STRIKER instead of finding a solution to its incompetent and/or inefficient managers who just lost another $21.2 million dollars in Fiscal 2009 while paying 350k to advisors to lose this kind of money.

This is what the Scott Huber urgency is about. To distract you folks with the screw-ups being made by City Hall. Bill Mego, a distinguished and level headed columist with the Naperville Sun agrees with me. Please see my last post above.

The Pension System of the City of Naperville is on the verge of an implosion and they are worried about Scott Huber's generator possibly exploding. Can anyone really imagine that pettiness?

Scott Huber is not bothering anyone. Leave him alone. Stop using him as a smokescreen or a distraction.

Scott Huber is not blocking the sidewalk. The Tangerine Place and Joey the Hot Dog Man right next to him to the West are the ones blocking the sidewalk and forcing people to walk in the streets. Who is trying to kid who? Doug Krause is just a hater who hates Scott Huber for no reason. Het tells tall tales at City Hall meetings along with many of his buddies on the City Council.

Everyone in the City of Naperville who wants Scott Humber removed from his home at 75 E. Chicago Ave. should be removed from City Hall. We should all move and live on the sidewalkds for a couple of years and stop paying taxes. Only than would City Hall appreciate the taxes we pay and stop wasting our money like drunken sailors.

I would like to see the occupation of City Hall ended and everyone evicted immediately.....That would not be criminal. But an eviction of Scott Huber from public property in my opinion would be a CRIMINAL ACT...an INHUMANE ACT.....a DESPICABLE ACT!

As I spoke with Mr.Huber today there is no doubt he is full of spirit. A young family came by and the attentive mother introduced Scott to her young children, the kids faces looked like they had seen Santa Claus (a thinner "more in shape" santa). There were other folks that did not seem nearly as kind.

I do have a concern regarding Scott's physical health in that he had a noticeable shake or tremor on his right arm. Scott I hope you enjoyed the tomatoes.

HERE IS A VIDEO TAPE OF THE PROTEST ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WHITE HOUSE THAT EXISTS SINCE 1981!...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F4fTCC478c&NR=1

THE CITY IS GOING TOO FAR WITH ANY ORDINANCE BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPERSEDED BY THE FIRST AMENDMENT FREEDOM TO PROTEST AS NOTED ABOVE NEAR THE WHITE HOUSE...NAPERVILLE SHOULD BE THANKFUL…MY PROTEST IS “PEANUTS” COMPARED TO THIS PEACE PROTEST!

Scott M. Huber

6:26PM CDT
9-19-09

I found this IMHO hilarious satire on this subject and decided to pass it on to lighten things up a bit

http://beta.thedailyblank.com/2009/09/naperville-residents-to-get-free-blinders/

Naperville residents to get free blinders

September 18th, 2009 10:11 am @ Marcus Manfred

Responding to a handful of complaints about a homeless man living downtown, the City of Naperville announced Monday it will provide special blinders to its residents free of charge, in an effort to limit their exposure to anything that might upset them.

The blinders, newly developed by Whitebread Electronics Inc., look like a large pair of sunglasses. Sensors around the ear can tell when the wearer is experiencing something unpleasant and the glasses respond by deploying blinders along the sides of the eyes, similar to those used on a horse. Depending on a person’s level of discomfort, the lenses can also darken and narrow to provide a tunnel vision effect.

This latest move comes a week after the City Council approved the drafting of an ordinance directly targeting Scott Huber, who is homeless and Naperville’s most famous citizen. He lives in downtown Naperville under a gray tarp, near a Barnes & Noble store. The ordinance would restrict people from living and sleeping on downtown sidewalks.

Huber contends he is more of a protester than homeless man. He maintains his own blog via a laptop computer, portable generator and Wi-Fi connection. He posts pictures on Flickr under the screen name “The-Phoenix.” A recent article in the Chicago Tribune featured Huber and made people in this community realize they were not immune to the rest of the world’s problems.

Naperville Police Chief David Dial said Huber had not previously violated the law where he is and refused offers of being sent to a shelter. City Manager Doug Krieger said the city had a hard time determining whether Huber’s tarp violated any city codes, so changing the law to target him was their best option.

Krieger said it could take time for the ordinance to be drafted and the city could be facing a legal battle over the issue, so the blinders would provide a comfort zone until the issue is resolved, in addition to comforting the city’s fragile residents.

“We get a call now and then about homelessness, but we also get a lot of calls from people complaining that their neighbor’s grass hadn’t been cut within the past three days or that they don’t like their neighbor’s five-year-old car,” Krieger said.“Hopefully these blinder glasses will cut down on that.”

Resident Charles Billington IV was one of many lining up at City Hall to receive his free pair of glasses. Billington said he moved to Naperville five years ago because he didn’t want to see any homeless people.

“It’s about time the city provided these blinders, I just hope they work on unsightly buildings and other things too. About a year ago I drove past a house that had a bit of chipped paint on its door and I couldn’t sleep for weeks,” Billington said.

Other residents were concerned the glasses might create more problems than they solve. Naperville resident Wendy Houndstooth suggested that wearing them might make it hard to drive past a car accident if the blinders and tunnel vision are triggered.

“No matter where you live you’re going to see things that upset you, that’s just a part of life,” Houndstooth said.“Whether it’s on the news or things you come across on your way to Starbucks or the train station. Even out here in the land of white picket fences, reality has a way of creeping in.”

Tags: Homeless, Homelessness, Naperville Illinois, Scott Huber

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LAST TIME I CHECKED THIS IS AMERICA, THIS IS A FREE SPEECH COUNTRY, IF YOU WANT TO PROTEST SOMETHING THEN YOU ARE ABLE TO DO SO , SO AS LONG YOU DO NOT CAUSE A RIOT. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE CAN'T JUST SQUAT ANY WHERE BUT AT THE SAME TIME LISTEN TO YOURSELFS, ALL YOU NARROW MINDED PEOPLE CARE ABOUT IS TAXES B/C HE'S ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. HE IS A MAN WHO HAS A RIGHT TO BE FREE AND ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. HE HAS BEEN THERE FOR 8 YEARS AND NOT CAUSED A PROBLEM, THEN WHY ALL OF A SUDDEN IS IT A HUGE DEAL. IS IT B/C SOMEONE IMPORTANT SAID SOMETHING AND NOW ITS A MONEY TALKS SITUATION,?? THE OTHER DAY I SAW HIM LITTERALLY SITTING THERE AND SOME WOMAN WAS SCREAMING AT HIM, MORE THEN FOR A SECOND I SAT THERE FOR A MOMENT AND THOUGHT WHO IS THIS WOMAN, WHAT DID THIS MAN TO DO HER. NOTHING, AND TO SAY A MAN IS A EYE SORE WELL SOME OF YOU PEOPLE ARE EYE SORES WITH YOUR OVER WHELMING NEED TO NEED USELESS ITEAMS IN YOUR LIFE BUT YET MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER. THIS IS NAPERVILLE A KNOWN TOWN FOR MONEY, WELL HAS ANY ONE ACTUALLY THOUGHT TO USE MONEY TO HELP, HUMAN SERVICE RESOURCES FOR THIS MAN, LET HIM REFUSE WHAT EVER HE WANTS. YET IF HE DOESN'T BOTHER YOU OR HAS CAUSED HARM WHAT IS A COUPLE FEET ON PUBLIC PROPERTY HURTING???NO BODY , BUSINESS MAY COMPLAIN YET DOWNTOWN IS STILL PROSPERING EACH DAY EVEN IN THIS ECONOMY. EVERYONE HAS A STORY AND EVERYONE HAS REASONS FOR WHY THEY DO WHAT THEY DO, STOP JUST HEARING BUT START LISTENING TO WHAT THIS MAN IS TRYING TO SAY IN HIS SILENT PROTEST. IS THERE NOT MUCH MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO TAKE CARE OF ?LET A SOCIAL WORKER GET INTO HIS HEAD AND FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN BE DONE, PLEASE DONT JUMP WHEN SOMEONE SAYS JUMP TO MAKE A RIDICULOUS LAW AGAINST A MAN WHO IS NOT DOING ANYTHING BESIDES ENJOYING HIS LIFE IN HIS OWN WAY.

He is a legal legit man who lives in america b/c he has freedom. What has happened to society today, becuase one man makes a bold statement people get nervous and automatically react in a harsh way. BUSINESS COMPLAIN YET THEY ARE STILL MAKING PLENTY OF MONEY. There is a reason for why we do things in our life, and yet if he is not doing anything and has not caused any problems in 8 years, why is it all of a sudden he has to get up and move. This to me sounds more or less like a money deal, and b/c one narrowed minded person has spread the narrow minded disease and not looking at the whole picture of who he is and why he is how he is then there is no reason. I understand people can't just squat any where but at the same time, we are in a time of crises and yet HUMAN Services are being cut and now NAPERVILLE a place where is known to have plenty of money resources is refusing a man of a couple square feet. Has anyone even thought about his safety and how he became to think and act this way ? He is comfortable there, i baieve b/c it is like his home and feels safe, what do you want him to do, go to a park and risk a real mental diseased person harming him? Leave him alone, and give him help instead of evicting someone who needs/may not want, but thus the very reason to let a social worker talk to him and figure out a resourceful plan. PEOPLE NEED TO STOP POINTING FINGERS AND START ACUTALLY HELPING THIS MAN OUT INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT WHAT IS ONLY GOOD FOR NAPERVILLE, WHAT ABOUT WHAT IS GOOD FOR A MAN, EVERYONE HAS A STORY , SO STOP HEARING AND START LISTENING FOR THE REAL REASONS AND LETS START TAKING A POSITIVE ACTION.

Any 'Scott Huber law' would be easily overturned

In fact, I doubt this matter would be coming to a head were it not for the recession and the fear, resentment and hatred that it engenders. If you're afraid of losing your house to property taxes, as many of us are, and you lack the guts to confront the people who are responsible for the bulk of them, then it's very convenient to take it out on Scott Huber because he has no property to tax.

So the city is going to craft an ordinance claiming, among other things, that Mr. Huber is a safety hazard and is adversely affecting the development of the downtown. The trouble is that Mr. Huber has been there for eight years and hasn't noticeably affected anything adversely. The downtown is doing famously.

What's more, as Councilman Fieseler has wisely pointed out, there is ample documentation to prove that in this case, such a law specifically targets Huber. Ordinances that simultaneously create a law and, without a trial, convict a person or easily identified group of violating it, themselves violate the separation of powers and the U.S. Constitution. They are, as Madison wrote in Federalist 44, "contrary to ... every principle of sound legislation."

The ACLU would overturn it with ease.

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Dan and Nancy,

You guys would like to paint me as some kind of whacko who does not know what I am talking about. The above commentary by respected Columnist Bill Mego of the Naperville Sun which I just saw yesterday pretty much echoes the views I have been expressing for weeks on this thread. If you read the first paragraph closely, he feels very justified in tying the Huber situation to our real estate taxes. I concur with him. The Sun allowed him to tie Huber to our taxes. He blamed those who are attacking Huber as being gutless for not standing up to those who tax the h@ll out of us. (Since one of your columist feels the same as I do, I would like you to reconsider your ruling in favor of Dan preventing me from tying one to another which I think should be clearly permissible. It is not I who is using Scott Huber. It is the City who is using Scott Huber as a cover and distraction to their incompetence and corruption which they were trying to hide until Forensic Accountant Experienced let the rabbit out of the hat before I could and certainly would have on Oct 31, 2009 when their time would have ran out on FULL DISCLOSURE.)

Here is the link to his entire column. In my opinion this Columnist was right on and I don't think he has any loose screws or bearings.

http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/napervillesun/news/mego/1732872,6_4_NA25_MEGOCOLUMN_S1-090825.article

Might I suggest reading the last CIJ post as the Wizard of Oz would when he was still behind the curtains with the flames and such.
It's really dramatic then.

Tisk, Tisk Tisk..the great CIJ has spoken for it was he who has done EVERYTHING.

Now we did it, we have upset the CIJ.

You can see you have animosity against all, you have a lot of Huberism's about you. Hate McMansion's, Downtown, Lawyers.

But you can type fast.

To Anonymous on September 17, 2009 10:11 PM,

Naturally, he himself is responsible. Just call the county or the city and they will remove the carcass and throw the rest in the trash in the dumpsters down the alley way between the parking garage and the stores on Washington.

I came by Wed night to talk to him about my DVD player that needs fixing and he was asleep. I called his name twice and he was still sleeping through it so I went about my business downtown. We'll sync up another time or I'll eventually go buy a new player. Woopty Do. He and his stuff was not in my way when I exited the garage nor was his stuff in my way when I walked past a second time a half hour later. Those that claim they have to go out of their way to go around him and go into a busy street are full of crap. He blocks nothing, he impedes nothing. He has a niche space on the sidewalk tucked out of the way that would not really be used for anything else - even pedestrian traffic.

Again, I may not understand completely what he says he is protesting, and even if I did I may not even agree with him, but he found a niche spot that does not take away anyone's enjoyment of the downtown area unless they actually "choose" to let him. He is in no one's way where he has tucked himself. As far as I am concerned, he can stay there as long as he chooses to because he is not camped out blocking the sidewalk causing anyone to have to step into the street or otherwise walk around him. To say otherwise would also imply that the restaurant next to the parking garage is guilty of the same thing because they have bistro tables set out in front of their establishment that causes people to have to shift over to walk past. If I recall correctly, their 'area' encroaches on the sidewalk even more than he does.

CIJ,

You do not need to go into attack mode. I was trying to explain to you that people can have differing opinions. While you are well within your right to give Mr. Huber a bill in a larger denomination than a ten dollar bill, a quilt, and unsolicited (and apparently unwanted) advice, I am also well within my right to want to see that Mr. Huber is assisted in a way that helps him learn to lead a healthy, fulfilling life. Mr. Huber is well within his right to do as HE pleases, and is not required to listen to either one of us. He seems to be doing his own thing and now it's up to him and the city officials.

You accused me of bullying and attacking a homeless man? Maybe you need to reread this blog, CIJ. You are the one who is bullying Mr. Huber to go after the city with both barrels. You are the one who is egging Mr. Huber on by spending countless hours studying his case and telling him what YOU think he needs to do or say, all the while adding YOUR take on the pension issues and instructing Mr. Huber to include it in his case against the city. There are numerous posts on this site where you are arguing with Mr. Huber because he doesn't share your point of view on HIS situation! Maybe you need to take a long, hard look in the mirror to try and figure out why you feel the need to insert yourself so far into Mr. Huber's situation and figure out why you are so angry at anyone whose opinion doesn't match your own. Shame on YOU for your attempts to use Mr. Huber as a pawn for YOUR agenda. You claim to be a Christian, CIJ. Why don't you act like one?

By the way, I did do my research. I have read numerous blog sites and spoken with Mr. Huber. Maybe you should do more careful research on your part since Mr. Huber himself, along with our Mayor, have deemed him not to be 'homeless' as you so stated in your above diatribe. Also, please show me where I supposedly cussed out Mr. Huber or picked on him as you claim I did. That is a complete lie. Your verbal attack on me and your accusation that I post from the "master suite of my McMansion" is just a juvenile comment and it makes you appear ignorant. For an investigative journalist, you sure don't know how to get your facts straight. My guess is that reading and comprehension are not your strong suit.

And when some morning, when someone finds Mr. Huber, dead in his "strike shelter", who will be responsible? I wouldn't be surprized to see some group press a suit against the city for neglecting the man.

Dearest Lady Nancy,
You and others are the bullies who want to bully Mr. Huber from his sidewalk post. Not me.

I am fine right where he is, even though I love the downtown and visit many times per week. He does not bother me. As Original Joe, I enjoy seeing him and waving to him when I pass by him. I would actually miss him, if he was not there. I would wonder what happened to him.

The shame is on you for picking on a homeless, helpless, hopeless, and harmless mentally ill man. A BIG SHAME on YOU and anyone who picks on this mentally ill person.

Since he does not bother me and at least I can find him as well as others to contribute to him when he is on fumes, if you and others want him forcibly removed, it is your duty to negotiate and pay a settlement for his removal since you are in violation of his legitimate rights to be a HOMELESS STIKER. He is bothering you and not ME! Pay up, Lady Nancy. I should not have to pay a penny since he does not bother me in the least but I am making my voluntary contributions to sustain him. I am happy with living in the 3rd best city in America. It is you and the City Council that want to be No.1 and are angry we were voted 3rd best because we don't have a MOUNTAIN but have a HOMELESS STRIKER. I also would rather have a MOUNTAN than a HOMELESS STRIKER as Mayor George "Arthur" Pradel wishes and wants, but those are not the cards dealt to us by God and we have to accept what HE has given to us. We are not above Him. There is a reason HE is doing what HE is doing. Maybe HE wants us to appreciate how lucky we are to live in the style that we live in this mighty NaperPerfect. Well, God is doing a great job, and please stop interfering with His lovely plans for us, Lady Nancy.

It is possible to strike 24/7. When Mr. Huber has one eye shut or both eyes shut, he has signs right next to him indicating he is protesting. Show me a law that says you can not protest when you are dozing off.

Leave the man alone. He is mentally ill. Shame on you and all the others who want to dipossess, disinherit and disown this poor friendly gentleman who is proud to be a Napervillian and wants to live on Naperville soil. Are we jealous of a man who found a way to avoid paying for the excess and outrageous real estate taxes we pay because we are ASLEEP and NOT PROTESTING as he bravely is even though for a wrong cause??? But the Constitution allows you to protest for any cause you believe in even though others like myself may perceive it as a delusional cause, based on a hallucination that the NPD in a joint clandestine undercover operation with the CIA invaded his storage shed and stole $1.7 to 2 million of valuable goods, merchandise and maybe some silver, gold and cash.

I know the NPD well and while I am not always fond of their actions such as racking up OT in an unnessary fashion to enrich themselves at taxpayer expense, they would never be involved in such a clandestine theft operation. Why would they steal up to 2 million from Mr. Huber, when the City Council is legally allowing them to "steal" 3 million of OT from us taxpayers while riding bikes around downtown or sitting uslessly as potted plants in various jury rooms in Dupage County and possibly Will County. (I never got a ticket in Will County so I don't know what goes on there...sorry...I only provide information that I am certain is accurate.)

Yes, Mr. Huber has cussed me out for no good reason on this blog site but not in person where he is always a gentleman in scholar and polite. That is OK. He is ill. I understand. But why are you cussing him out and/or picking on him Lady Nancy. Are you ill!

It was ME who pointed out on this blog site that the city installed a port-a-pottie for him. This is very strong evidence that the city did not believe he was in violation of their ordinances. They also let him stay their 8 years and never attempted to evict him. The city set a precedent that he can use in court against them by accepting him for so long.

A columnist for the Naperville Sun wrote a few weeks back that the City is suddenly picking on him because of the problems they suddenly face and do not seem able to handle. I believe one of these problems is the massive pension losses they sustained in the last year and attempted to hide from the taxpayers until Experience exposed them. I was going to give them till Oct. 31 2009 before exposing them as the law gives them 6 months from the fiscal year ending April 30, 2009 to provide an honest, accurate and truthful report. They provided what appears to be a "fabricated report" and only fixed it when caught red-handed....these are the same hoodlums that destroyed or disposed of the Napergate Cost Records that Editor Tim West demanded to see.

Yes, this is not a pension column and I am discussing the pension problems in details on another thread. I will posting there again in the next 20 minutes to provide further detail and respond to bloggers. But I feel Mr. Huber is being used as a scape goat for the city's incompetence and ineffiencies just like the columnist for the Naperville Sun pointed out so succinctly. Therefore, when I mention the pension problem it is in context of the title of the thread. Again, it is my belief, that he is being used as a scapegoat and diversion to hide the fact that 10 Establishment Folks appointed to protect the Pension Funds were sleeping on the job with both eyes closed. At least Mr. Huber opens his eyes if you get within a few feet of him even if it is 4am. He knows how to protect and defend himself and hold on to his belongings. He calls that ability a HEALTHY PARANOIA that even cops have. I agree with him on that count.

Sorry, to upset you Lady Nancy. But you upset me when you pick on such an individual when you probably live in a large warm McMansion. I hope you are not having trouble with your real estate taxes which could be 100k a year if you live in a 5 million dollar McMansion. Please try to deal with your problems and let Mr. Scott M. Huber deal with his problems.

Let us admire him for his courage of living outdoors in these atrocious cold winters. Let his strike go on for 30 years and more and let him establish a Guiness World Record as he will not be collecting a full pension at our expense after all those years.

We did not like the Napergate Man either at one time and alleged he was selling liquor to minors while running sting operations. He went on to win the Kylix Award for the "Most Responsible Drinking Sales Campaign" in the Nation awarded joinlty by the Newspapers Guild of America and the National Liquor Association in Las Vegas in 1993. No other retailer in Naperville or even Illinois has ever won this prestigious award. It is laughable how the City Council hands out awards to establishment folks they like before council meetings, but will not recognize individuals who truly won and deserve rewards they earned nationally.

Let us be proud of the accomplishments of our citizens who may be different and think differently. While we may not think highly of them, sometimes the rest of the country thinks the world of them.

And yes, Lady Nancy, your beloved public officials who think they can win legal cases easily, lost a Major Legal Battle to the Napergate Man that cost you and I, 10 million dollars. I can not get over people like you who want to start new legal battles instead of allowing CM Bob to attempt to arbitrate a settlement with Mr. Huber. Yes, he rejected my proposed offer of 25k, but that does not mean CM Bob can not persuade him to take 30 or 35k if given an opportunity. CM Bob has a big heart and a brilliant brain. I think he can arbitrate successfully. What is wrong with coming up with 35k to save a 10 million dollar legal battle? I will tell you what is wrong with that. Our pride and egos are unfortuantely hurt.

And let us heed the warning of CM Bob who is a distinguished lawyer and on record as advising Attorney Margo Ely that she is taking the wrong course of action by passing an ordinace specifically designated against Mr. Huber. CM Bob has already taken the role of whistle blower and would be subpoened to testify by Mr. Huber or a pro bono attorney about all those e-mail exchages directed specifically about Mr. Huber in communications by officials of the City of Naperville. I mean how stupid and/or ignorant of Margo Ely to pass an ordinance only regarding downtown Naperville instead of all Naperville. What in the world is she thinking??? She should submit her resignation immediately. Is she not the one that spent 1.5 million dollars on the Furstena Case? Is she not the one along with her staff of 12 that could not handle a "he said, she said" case.

And when CM Doug Krause speaks of sidewalk blockage by Mr. Huber, I truly have to wonder if his faculties are still functional. If his bearings are a little loose. If he goes by the Tangerine Place next to Mr. Huber and he wants to see an obstruction of a sidewalk, all he has to do is check out Joey the Hot Dog Man who may have some relationship with Margo Ely according to some bloggers on this blog site which I have not been able to confirm yet. Mr Huber occupies a very small portion of the sidwalk where it is very wide and has never obstructed traffic or caused anyone to have to walk on the street. Joey the Hot Dog Man, who was approved by City Council and Margo Ely, has 100% obstructed sidewalks and has caused intoxicated individuals to walk on the street endangering life and limb. Seen it with my own 2 eyes many times. I will testify in court to that if Mr. Huber subpoenas me.

Why don't you get out there Lady Nancy and do some observation instead of picking on a HOMELESS STRIKER from the comfort of your MASTER SUITE in your Naperville McMANSION.

To CIJ,

Contrary to your belief, it is humanly impossible to protest non-stop 24/7, for 8 plus years. While you yourself may believe Mr. Huber is on a constant protest, it is evident he is not. It is impossible to "protest" while you are asleep.

As I stated, I believe Mr. Huber honestly believes everything he says. I also think after speaking with and listening to Mr. Huber it is quite evident that he suffers from some form of mental illness. Your 'diagnosis' of Mr. Huber seems to indicate that you agree he is not of "sound mind and body", as well. When he accused you of being with the CIA, I hope you identified yourself as a 'Citizen Investigate Journalist', and showed him your ID badge. Maybe your battery of questions perked his suspicions, causing him to be apprehensive in your presence.

I have read of you 'donation of a bill in excess of ten dollars' numerous times. You deserve a pat on the back, CIJ. You are very caring. Hopefully you made several large denomination donations instead of just one that you continually mention for whatever reason.

I am not cheap and there is no reason for me to feel shamed, so your nasty "shame on you" comment was completely uncalled for. While you may seem to think Mr. Huber's sad situation has now fallen on the bank accounts of all Naperville residents, I do not agree with you. You are entitled to your opinion, but that does not give you the right to insult others. My tax dollars already support Mr. Huber. I guess I kicked in for his port-a-potty. I realize you see yourself as the self-appointed spokesperson for Naperville residents, but you do not speak for me nor do you have the right to tell me how to spend my hard-earned money. You have no idea of my financial or family situation, and Your cheap, bullying tactics are insulting.

CIJ I may have miss spoken out of anger over the pension issue,but I'm getting dam angry over people stating Police/Firemen are over paid and are given to high of a pension! It depends when they retire ,pensions go from anywhere from 50% to 75% of their final salary! It is sad that the pension plan lost 20.5 million and I'm sure the Police/Firemen are not happy about it either! So as I say the Police/Firemen deserve every penny of their pension for life!

CIJ wrote:

I am the one on record as offering Mr. Huber 25k to get off our streets and sidewalks permanently and get on with his life.

And he is on record as rejecting your offer, so why do you keep bringing it up? It's dead in the water. Give it a rest.

You will be paying 410 dollars extra on your real estate tax bill this upcoming year due to improprieties in the P and F pensions...

Probably more like $40-50, as the entire $20 million loss does not need to be made up in a single year. Hopefully, improving market conditions will take care of a good chunk of the rest of it.

-JQP

CIJ..be the first to open an relief fund bank account, assign yourself as a legitimate trustee and manage care for Huber. I will gladly contribute. Heck if you do this right and Scott gets the care he needs there might even be a pension in it for you.

There will be no court case. There is a nice set of legal precedents established all over the country on this issue clearly showing Naperville is on solid ground.

I agree he needs help, it's up to public to make that happen, not up to the government. The minute Naperville starts paying homeless people, there will be droves more to takes his place.

Let me know when you get that account established.

By Nancy on September 17, 2009 11:51 AM
What is the point of "protesting" at 3:00 a.m. or 4:00 a.m. when the streets are deserted? That is where I believe Mr. Huber's claim of a "protest" go out the window.(lady Nancy)

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Very wrong Lady Nancy. Between those exact hours you cite above, a manager from a bar nearby and I engaged Mr. Huber in a lengthy debate about his protest. He was not sleeping. He was adamant about discussing his situation. He accused the Naperville Police of stealing 1.7 million to 2 million dollars from his storage shed. While he truly believed what he said, I did not believe it to be true. It was obviously the delusion of a mentally ill man. He even thought the CIA assisted the NPD in that London Style Robbery.

That is the night I made a donation of a bill in excess of 10 dollars to help his situation even though I did not believe in his cause. I had read on his site that he was running on "fumes" and wanted to be a helping hand to someone in need. Maybe his generator needed some gas to keep him warm at night.

He is truly protesting around the clock. He sleeps with one eye open. He has a right to protest. If the city wants to adopt your "false allegations" in a court complaint in an attempt to frame and lynch him, the bar manager and I will most certainly testify in court on behalf of Mr. Huber's right to protest and that he protests all hours of the day and night.

Is he mentally ill? Of course. I have personally diagnosed him as a PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC(due to a lengthy experience with a 30 year friend) who believes the CIA is watching his every move. But that does not NEGATE his right to protest. Our constitutions allows us to protest even about delusions and hallucinations. He accused me of being a member of the CIA after I was extremely polite to him, tried to understand his cause and even gave him a donation. Of course as an Citizen Investigate Journalist, I did ask a lot of questions which could have led him to believe I worked for the CIA instead of as pro bono reporter for this Sun Blog Site.

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I truly believe that. It's a very sad situation. I also do not support the suggestion that the City of Naperville 'settle' with Mr. Huber instead of going to litigation. I see that as wasteful and there is nothing to PROVE the city was ever at fault for any sort of action against Mr. Huber. I believe if it ever came to the point of litigation, a court of law would quickly realize Mr. Huber's situation, while unfortunate, is not the fault of the city and the case would be closed.(Lady Nancy)

The courts did not realize that CM Furstenau did not have a case until after we spent 1.5 million dollars of hard earned taxpayer money in a "he done it, she done it" silly case. The courts did not realize that the City of Naperville framed and lynched the Napergate Man until after the courts sifted through the $10 million defense fund the city set up and expended in that case and then conveniently lost, destroyed, shredded, or buried all the cost records associated with the 10 years of trials from 1991-2001. This is a true story, Nancy. Call your City Officials and ask them for the costs of the Napergate Case. They will tell you they don't know or no comment even though this is no longer a pending case as it has been decided by higher courts where Naperville sustained a major loss in a case they thought was a slam dunk case when they brought false and fabricated charges. Never assume a case going to court will be a slam dunk. Let us learn from the Napergate and Furstenau Cases that going to court is not cheap, win or lose, especially since our 12 person in-house legal staff is not willing to tackle Civil Rights Cases. What amazes me is how people speak before studying the HISTORY of this town and its legal cases!

People should never underestimate the importance of HISTORY. Moderator Magee did not and he was a HISTORY MAJOR.

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PS. Court cases are no laughing matter. I am the one on record as offering Mr. Huber 25k to get off our streets and sidewalks permanently and get on with his life. No precendent will be set as very few people on this earth are willing to live and sleep outside in -40 degree Farenheit weather for 8 winters. When you factor the business portion of this 25k I am estimating it will cost you .33 cents or a pack of gum. Now, let's not be so cheap Nancy. You will be paying 410 dollars extra on your real estate tax bill this upcoming year due to improprieties in the P and F pensions and you won't cough up .33 cents to help a homeless mentally ill person. Shame on you for being a selfish self-centered Napervillian who only apparently cares about herself. This is a MAN IN NEED OF OUR HELP. He is a good Christian. We need and must help him instead of passing discriminatory resolutions against him that will never hold water in a court of law.

I never knew the story behind "the homeless man on Chicago Avenue" until recently. I was curious to find out he has been living on the sidewalk for eight years and wanted to do some research. So, I read quite a bit online in an attempt to find out his story. I even spoke to Mr. Huber one evening recently when he had a small group around his encampment. I was in the audience at the last City Council Meeting.

It appears to me that the City of Naperville City Council has been patient and compassionate toward Mr. Huber. The installation of the port-a-potty in the parking garage at the City's expense(for his use)is only one small example. I don't think Mr. Huber is really 'protesting' an issue as much as he is blaming others for his situation and refusing to go forward in his life. I also think it is unfortunate that there are those who do not recognize his mental health situation for what it is, but rather see his situation as an opportunity to further their own cause. To me, that is insensitive and reprehensible. Speak with Mr. Huber for any length of time and you will recognize a very passionate, God-fearing human being who is unable to fully deal with reality due to untreated mental illness. I truly believe that. It's a very sad situation. I also do not support the suggestion that the City of Naperville 'settle' with Mr. Huber instead of going to litigation. I see that as wasteful and there is nothing to PROVE the city was ever at fault for any sort of action against Mr. Huber. I believe if it ever came to the point of litigation, a court of law would quickly realize Mr. Huber's situation, while unfortunate, is not the fault of the city and the case would be closed. I also think that while Mr. Huber certainly has every right to exercise his Freedom of Speech, I don't think that gives him the 'right' to LIVE on public city sidewalks 24/7. No one can protest while they are asleep. Maybe if the city deemed certain hours that protests could take place then Mr. Huber and the like would have their Freedom of Speech, yet there would be a way to separate those who protest and those who choose to live on the streets. What is the point of "protesting" at 3:00 a.m. or 4:00 a.m. when the streets are deserted? That is where I believe Mr. Huber's claim of a "protest" go out the window.

I would like to see the city enforce the new ordinance and hopefully Mr. Huber will accept the help that has so graciously been offered him by caring individuals. I would also like to see those who are attempting to use Mr. Huber as a pawn to fulfill their own agenda stop and think about what they are doing. A little soul-searching may do wonders for their credibility, integrity, and humanity.

I am very sorry for your situation, Mr. Huber. May God Bless you and help you find the peace you deserve, and may He give you the strength to realize and accept the help offered to you.

why should we evict a man who doesn't cause any problems for our community? He doesn't protest, harass, or bother any one of you! People voluntarily walk up to him and talk to him, every time I walk Downtown Naperville, he sits there very peacefully or interacts with whoever comes to talk to him. I don't see the problem with this. Just because you all want to keep the appearance of Naperville to an upper-class standard and look. Oh boohoo! If all you rich, snobby people don't like it, just pick up and move. Take your money else where! Where is Scott Huber supposed to go then? He has lived on our streets for the past 8 years without a problem and now you're going to kick him to the curb, so to speak and leave him with no other options. Just leave him alone, he didn't do anything to you or harm you in anyway, so why does it bother you? Mind your own business and move on with your life. Seems like you all just want to find something to complain about and raise controversy when its completely irrelevant...

By bfife on September 16, 2009 5:30 PM
Stupid stupid people! What in the hell does the pension have to do with this issue! As for the loss of 20 million,its based on the economy and it's investments for more of a cash return! No one stole the money and it's not costing the the payers anything!

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Now let us obey the Moderator's rules and not be calling people stupid only to have eggs thrown in your face. HERE IS WHAT I WROTE ON THE "What's on Your Mind" Thread.

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The city is planning on taxing the residents an additional $1,344,025 for 2009-2010 to put in these funds in addition to the 21.16% we already contribute to them. My guess is our contributions will now be over 25% of their salaries based on my rough computations and I still don't think we are going to put a dent in the $81.4 million deficit as the outs exceeds the ins. If this stock market rally is a head fake or a bear rally as I suspect, I believe we can see a $100 million dollar pension loss if our 10 managers don't pull out before it is too late. Just for the record, my guess is the stock market is going to crumble some time before Oct 31, 2009. I am not charging 350k for my guess, so don't come after me if I am wrong.

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The losses are based on unnecessary risk the Pension Managers' undertook....20.5 million dollars in losses does not come back that easily if it ever comes back. Huge losses like these usually mean you had companies that filed bankruptcy and will never come back like AIG, GM, Lehman, Lucent, Circuit City, etc. etc. So in my humble belief this huge loss is not coming back. Do you really expect Citibank to go back from a buck or two to 60 bucks again when the government replaced the investors as the Major Shareholder. The Feds pretty much wrestled ownership of Citibank form the pension funds and private investors. They will be lucky to get 10% of their money back if CitiBank can survive without filing bankruptcy like the other companies I mentioned above.

Thornburg Mortgage which use to provide jumbo loans to the McMansions in Naperville is now worth .03 cents per share after doing a reverse 10-1 split. At one time it was worth 280 dollars a share. Do you really think it is coming back? This was a favorite of pension managers across the country as it was beleived McMansion owners will never default. Well, they defaulted when they could not pay their massive real estate tax bills caused in part by huge pension losses from schools, city and county amongst others.

You are calling people stupid who know so much more than you do, buddy. I would watch your mouth if I were you. Too bad you Mommie did not soap it up for you when you were a spoiled child who thought he knew it all but knew NOTHING.

To say it is not costing the taxpayers anything is a PLAIN OUTRIGHT AND OUTRAGEOUS LIE. The taxpayers of Naperville guarantee that the police and fire personal receive their 75% pensions. We have to pay for their losses. Therefore, they need to at least fire those 10 individuals in charge of their investments for not pulling the plug before the market collapsed. We paid the managers of these 2 pension funds nearly 350k last year and they lost 20.2 million dollars of hard earned taxapyer money with their risky investements. This is INSANITY if you ask me.

I know bloggers are having a hard time comprehending what I am saying due to the complexity of the issue, but I believe my plain English talk will eventually resonate with them.

And here is the link to the Annual Operating Budget so you can verify my number of $1,344,025 for yourself instead of blabbering your mouth away in an nonsensical manner. Learn to do some forensic accounting once in a while. It is not that hard to learn if you try, my friend.

http://www.naperville.il.us/emplibrary/FY10AnnualOperatingBudget.pdf

CIJ wrote:

Please be aware my fellow taxpayers that your real estate tax bills may be higher by an average of $410 dollar per household next year, if the City tries to plug the $20.5 million losses they sustained in their Police and Fire Pensions for the fiscal year ending April 30, 2009.

I doubt that. Most likely they'll amortize this amount over twenty-three or twenty-four years.

Scott is good for Naperville! We love Scott! Leave Scott alone.

Once again you keep using this blog to make your point on pensions and mismanagement.

Moderator Magee should start asking you to post in the other blog, What's on your mind. This has no business here.

For your own clarification the question was, Should City Evict Homeless Man? I think you should try and answer or debate on this topic.

By Dan on September 16, 2009 3:15 PM
CIJ, the Huber issue was nothing but a small part of the proceedings. There were many agenda items, so if you have an issue take them up at the meetings and make yourself heard. There is no smoke screen, but many issues they are facing.

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I am being heard by the Council Members and City Staff who read this blog site on a daily basis to get a pulse for the community.

I use to attend City Council meetings. They are no longer the place to be as hardly anyone attends them and maybe a few speak.

You can not say much in 3 minutes. Maybe if the City Council allowed 10 minutes, I would take the time to go there and speak. But I am not wasting my valuable gas and time for 3 minutes. I watch it on TV and respond on this blog site that I know at least 3 and possibly all council members drop by, to get the pulse of the community.

Council members will find a way to shut you up if they don't like your message. They will humiliate you if they don't like your message. They will not allow you to speak over the 3 minutes if they don't like your message. They will cut you off ruthlessly and rudely. I have been there and done it. I am not going back. Sorry! Let their Council Chambers be empty until they start treating their CONSTITUENTS in a better and more respectful fashion. Let them look at EMPTY SEATS every 1st and 3rd Tuesday of each month until they smell the aroma of the java beans. Eventually, they will!

If you are part of the establishment or a former city council member like Kevin Gallagher, they will let you ramble on as long as you like as happened last night. There is no 3 minute limit for Establishment Folks. Therefore I do not like the forum that I percieve as unfair and no longer attend it.

Moderator Magee treats me much more fairly so I am happy using his forum to communicate my thoughts to the leaders at City Hall. Whether they listen or don't is their choice. But if the ship sinks as it is currently, they have the ultimate responsibility to the taxpayers. Right now, they have an $81.4 million sinkhole in their pension system that they are trying to ignore and hide from the public taxapyers. We will see how long they succeed!

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PS. Please be aware my fellow taxpayers that your real estate tax bills may be higher by an average of $410 dollar per household next year, if the City tries to plug the $20.5 million losses they sustained in their Police and Fire Pensions for the fiscal year ending April 30, 2009. The Pension Managers mishandled the 2 funds and rather than taking responsibility, they want to hold the Naperville Taxpayer responsible for their improprieties. For more details, please visit the "What's on Your Mind" thread where the topic is being discussed extensively and join the debate.

Imagine that the State of Illinios orders the City of Naperville to reduce the pension fund shortfall and have the deficit eliminated by 2033 and they take a HUGE STEP BACKWARDS instead of FORWARDS. And City Staff, City Council and/or City Pension Fund Managers want to lay the blame on the State who gave them excellent guidance. They simply did not listen and undertook extremely risky investments in the stock market as I have long suspected, despite prior denials from Forensic Accountant Blogger Experienced. I think he may be on board now and he provides excellent support and insight to help unravel the COVER-UP.

Stupid stupid people! What in the hell does the pension have to do with this issue! As for the loss of 20 million,its based on the economy and it's investments for more of a cash return! No one stole the money and it's not costing the the payers anything! Like anything else out there i.e.,pension funds 410's or tax shelters they all lost money and will bounce back with the economy! I live in Naperville and believe in the faith of the Police and Fire pension! CIJ If you don't like the idea of a Police officer and Firemen getting a pension change careers and become one of them to get a well deserved pension! I also believe Police and Fire deserve every penny of a pension for their dedicated service and putting their lives on the line everyday just like an American Solider!

Some notes on Mr. Huber:

1) I have lived here for 8+ years. I must be honest I did not even notice Mr. Huber's encampment until the paper brought it up. I have even parked in the Chicago Street lot about 20 times and driven past there countless times.

2) The owner of the Comedy Shrine was a first class jerk last night at the city council meeting. He made snarky comments about Mr. Huber's teeth as part of his talk against Mr. Huber. Please be civil and stick to the point. I'd post the link to the video, but I could not pull it up. Try here later.

3) The owners of Tangerine found their way into the mess by sending a letter to the city council. Did they not see his stuff there when they started their business? I recently walked past Tangerine. I'd send a city inspector out there to make sure they are leaving enough space between their "patio" and the eastern-most tree. I doubt there is enough space to fit a wheelchair between there, but I do not know the exact code. They are blocking the sidewalk much more than Mr. Huber.

In the letter, they had complaints about him taking pictures. Guess what? Him taking pictures should have nothing to do with Tangerine's objection to his "protest" site. If they have a beef with his actions around their sidewalk patio, they should inform the police, not try to use that action to speak against an ordinance which is (cough cough) not about Mr. Huber.

4) Mr. Huber's protest, IMHO, does not seem to be grounded in reality. Even if everyone feels his protest is ill-founded, he still has the right to protest. He has minimal intrusiveness where he is and apparently is not sufficiently breaking any/enough laws to evict him. Creating a law against him seems very dangerous.

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CIJ, the Huber issue was nothing but a small part of the proceedings. There were many agenda items, so if you have an issue take them up at the meetings and make yourself heard. There is no smoke screen, but many issues they are facing.

SO please stop using this issue to make an argument for another.

The beauty of democracy is that you can be heard through an agenda. So if you think all of this is unfair get on the agenda and make your point in public.
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/access-government-meetings

Start here and then you can have a two sided debate with the opposition. You might even gain understanding to the other side of the argument and become part of the solution instead of speed typing your responses.

By Dan on September 16, 2009 8:40 AM
CIJ you continue to use Scott's cause for your crusade. Your using a homeless person to do your bidding.

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Dan,
Mr. Huber is a paranoid schizophrenic with no credibility. I can not use him for my cause or any cause. I am simply trying to tell him how to divert the heat from himself to City Hall. If he can divert heat towards them instead of him, I know City Officials will back off and stop harrassing a mentally ill person.

Shame on City Officials for focusing on a mentally ill person instead of a $20.2 million pension REAL dollar loss in one year, in last nights city council meeting. What a divergence? They must think we taxpayers are suckers!

Only one person spoke against Mr. Huber last night at the City Council meeting. This is an indication he is not bothering any one but those establishment folks in power who want to win the title of "Best Place to Live in America." They are more worried about a mentally ill person than heroin trafficers invading our subdivisions and killing our youth.

Mr. Huber is not the problem. Not only did Mayor Pradel declare Mr. Huber as NOT homeless but he blamed our loss to Ft. Collins, Co. on not having a MOUNTAIN.

So leave Mr. Huber alone and find a way to build a MAN MADE MOUNTAIN so we can be in 1st PLACE....

Stop using Mr. Huber as the town scapegoat.

End of Story!

CIJ

I have a great Idea! While Scott is at the meeting,lets take down his hut and bring it to the P.D. and have him pick up his belongings and be told to move on!

so what was the outcome from the meeting last night?

CIJ you continue to use Scott's cause for your crusade. Your using a homeless person to do your bidding. Why don't you show-up and ask these questions?

Scott would you consider changing your name to poker machine? This would make things so much easier.

jesus christ people, just leave the guy alone already. hes not harming anyone. mind your own business and worry about your own problems. half the people in naperville are just a bunch of stuck up snobs who have to weasle their way into other peoples lives. this town is full of political bs, its so ridiculous. im sure if you were in his position, youd be doing damn near the same thing. put yourselves in his shoes and get your heads out of your rear ends. how bout you worry about reviving the local economy and providing jobs and other means of support to a nationally know city thats suffering in a recession instead of worrying about one person who isnt harming a damn person. why dont you just go talk to him like me and my friends have. im 22 and have been going downtown since i was 15 and hes always been there willing to talk with people.

Mr. Huber,

I will be watching you tonight.

If you are wise, go on the offensive against the City Council.

By that I mean instead of defending your right to protest as a HOMELESS STRIKER, throw the City Council off guard and ask them why they are not dealing with 20.5 million dollars in Police and Fire Pension Losses that has been verified and documented by more than one source.

Accuse them of creating a DISTRACTION to hide their incompetence. Demand that they stop using you as a SCAPEGOAT.

Ask them if they are worried about real estate taxes not being paid by you because you occupy one or two square yards of real estate on an unused portion of sidewalk, why they are not worried about the taxpayers just being socked up the WAZZZZOOOOOOOO for another 20.5 milliion dollars due to the losses in the above mentioned pension funds.

As you and most people who read this blog site know, I studied the Napergate Man and his methods and tactics for a year. The City tried to put him on the DEFENSIVE and he would have nothing to do with it. He went on a 10 year OFFENSIVE BLITZ against City Hall until City Officials finally surrendered in both the Appellate Courts of Illinois and the United States. They even halted their MEDIA BLITZ against the Napergate Man as it was getting them no where while losing their credibility and reputation.

If you are going to have a chance to beat City Hall, you have to employ a similiar strategy and execute flawlessly just like the Napergate Man.

Go to every City Council and speak for as long as they will allow you before Mayor George "Charles" Pradel slams the gavel down to hush you up. And then ask for another 30 seconds to wrap it up and take 2 minutes. Use your time efficiently to expose their corruption. Do your homework before you speak. Do not lose your track of thought as you did last time for 45 seconds. Be prepared. Have some notes ready in case you blank out again as you did last time. There is no guarantee they will let you go over the 3 minutes as they did last time especailly if they see you are effective in exposing what they are attempting to cover up. Remember Napergate means cover-up and was about a major Cover-Up at the time.

If everytime you speak about something such as pension waste or DOUBLE DIPPING by City Officials like Assistant City Manager Robert Marshall who is milkng the taxpayers for nearly a quarter of a million dollars in wages and pension pay-outs while building a second pension, they will eventually back off.

They would rather leave you in place than be exposed.

You are still allowed in Nichols Library to the best of my knowledge. I dare not read the Porqupine Quills and be subjected to your wrath and fury again. Ask the Librarian and she will guide you how to find the Napergate Man's old teachings in his Napergate Ads in the Naperville Sun. She helped me immensely and has already been through the drill. She should be able to help you relatively easy. I guarantee you the NGM will teach you how to beat City Hall by being on the Offensive......not only Defensive. Did you ever hear of a football team that won a game by only playing defense? The best they can do is a 0-0 tie. Think about that Mr. Huber and unload your FURY TONIGHT like there was no TOMORROW. There may not be a HAPPY TOMORROW for you or a HAPPY ENDING for you if you do not unload on them TONIGHT. It is do or die for you TONIGHT.

Use a tested successful strategy....no time to experiment. Follow the antics and tactics that the Napergate Man employed agasinst City Hall. They worked not only once but over and over again. He even had the ever so cool well connected attorney Bill Brestal squirming and screaming during City Council breaks. So say you can do it and DO IT!

Good luck, Mr. Huber!

In my humble opinion they are wasting their time on you and should be demanding the resignations of all those who managed the Police and Fire Pension Funds and lost $20.5 million of hard earned taxpayer money.

On the way out, remind the Naperville Sun reporter to investigate the Pension Mess at City Hall. Alert her that there is a COVER-UP in progress. Tell her to look over the information Moderator Magee forward to her.

Thank you, Mr. Huber in advance.

Yours truly,
CIJ

As usual you “guys” are opening mouth and inserting foot talking out your butts because your mouths know better because your parents told you not to talk with your mouth full!

The hole in the back end of your britches is getting so big you may just be getting a visit from the "finest" for indecent exposure! I would not press it if I were you. You had better get that loin cloth so you don't get the extra attention or too much air conditioning!!!

The "sky" has many eyes and private eyes are watching you...every thing you do!

Take note that I was kind and alerted you to the impact of Matthew 18:1-17! It would be wise for you to read my account of thirty years or so of tracking the effects of Matthew 18:1-17

in my Flickr Topix deleted quotes...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@N08/2370191842/

or in my colorful newspaper version of "The Porcupine Quills"!...

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/matt18.html

It is truly out of my hands...you make your own bed!

I will be continuing my protest yea or nay!
If nay it will be reviewed by higher powers that be!

The reason I protest is because you and those you support don’t follow your own rules. Just like the Naperville Police and its Bosses the City Council and Mayor, the State’s Attorney and the Judiciary and other law enforcement who have not done the job they have sworn to do for EVERYONE! That is not to say all Police, State’s Attorney’s, Judges and other law enforcement is not doing their job that they have sworn to do! Hint! Hint! So beware because you won’t be able to say I did not warn you in good faith…that is more than can be said about your comments in this blog especially with reference to your “good faith” toward the readers! As I have stated before beware…When YOU think YOU stand take heed lest YOU fall! 1 Corinthians 10:12

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I will fear no evil for He is with me! See Psalm 23:4

Scott M. Huber
1:10 PM CDT
9-15-09

Scott, either you're a phony failure mocking the Constitution with your fake protest amongst your redundant claims of fraud...or

You're delusional and can't help who you are. Either way the vote tonight will assist you in moving on since you can't seem to do it on your own.

It sounds like you're creating problems yourself by trying to solve this issue instead of looking at why their is a problem in the first place

Scott Huber,
You keep sending contact information for the forthcoming meeting, and I think that is probably a very bad idea, on this particular blog. Post here that you're on fumes, and someone will likely hand you a match.

For my own part, I think that it is time the city did something in this case, simply to avoid the liability issues that would arise were something to happen to SH. Of course, I think that the city should have done something about this years ago.
Scott Huber, I'm one of those that thinks you are playing at protesting or striking, and that your stance and positioning in all of this is an affront to those who have actually gone on a true strike.
In short order, you'll get to prove yourself when you're moved off the streets. Will you take up a sign or a sandwich board and wander the downtown Naperville streets? Even better, will you picket city hall? Living as you do is relatively easy compared to the true homeless. Generators and laptops and microwaved leftovers. Once you're no longer allowed on the streets and no longer get all those handouts will you be able to make it?
I hope that you come out of this ok. I truly do. But i alos think your relatively free ride is over, and from here it is into the group homes or you will have to draw yourself up and put this behind you.
Which it will be is up to you and to no one else. I wish you luck, as you are going to need it.

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Scott M. Huber
6:04 PM CDT
9-13-09

No "guys"!

I have a "few" responses and comments to make in my own timing so stay tuned. Somewhere down the line I will take another shot at this convoluted mix of "Omniscient" authors. You didn't think I would let you down now would you?

Scott M. Huber
5:47 PM CDT
9-14-09

Some things never change. I go away on business and came home to see this topic still gaining in number, but for the life of me I can't figure out why. Same old stuff. Other than a cure for insomnia, I believe this thread has offers no other purpose. For some of you, I would just like to point out that that poor old dead horse has now been beaten into obliteration. It now deserves a respectable burial.

Mr. Huber,

Please join us in the discussion about the Police and Fire Pension Funds on the "What's on Your Mind" Thread.

We have given you maximum exposure and let us see where the chips will fall. I hope something good will come out of this for both you and the city.

Right now, we have a very serious problem. Our pension funds lost $20.2 million in one year. If you add the fees we were charged by the Pension Management Teams that lost our money we lost about $20.5 million. Imagine, they charge you to lose your money and the City of Naperville and its Unions put up with this nonsense. A monkey throwing darts could have done better with our pension funds.

I want to hear your opinion about this mess caused by our officials. As I said the city has you and wants you on the defensive. One thing I learned from reading about the Napergate Man, is when the City tried to put him on the defensive by assassinating his character, he went on the offensive for 10 years and ripped into every department of City Hall and found ineffiencies, incompetence and sometimes even corruption in most if not all city departments.

I would like you to do the same, Mr. Huber. You are intelligent so help us expose potential corruption in City Hall. If you want to be respected in the community that will help. If you want the community to write e-mails on your behalf, you have to show the community what our City Officials are about.

You have to plant a seed that maybe this notice to evict you after 8 years is a result of their frustration over 20.5 million dollars in losses to taxpayer money in the Pension Funds. Maybe, it was an attempt to distract the taxpayers from the REAL ISSUES concerning them.

Wake up, Mr. Huber. Don't worry about the CIA. Russia recently threatened Israel that it would nuke it if it nuked Iran. Israel told Russia if you nuke us, if we nuke Iran, we will nuke the WORLD. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made this frightening threat. Let us hope he was not sober and was intoxicated with Russian wine. This is what the CIA is worried about and not a lonely HOMELESS STRIKER sitting on a sidewalk without obstructing it in any manner and simply protesting legally.

Please get with the program and join us on the "What is on Your Mind Thread." People burned out on this thread as you probably noticed.

Maybe if you support the citizens, the citizens will support you on the 15th of September. But you have to be a productive member of society. Exposing corruption in City Hall makes you a productive member of society, at least in my humble opinion.

Councilman BOB for Congress!!
Yep.
Scott, please run his campaign. He needs you.
LIBERALS RUN THE WORLD!! Free camping in all of Naperville!!

By picasso on September 11, 2009 7:08 PM
Know that naoerville has traditionally been very good at handling issues like this in the past, but now this. this is ridiculous. we've got communists like citizen investigative journalist who are clearly employing Scare tactics to solve this situation. I've got a solution-ignore him. I hope this is the last blog ppost or Conniving comment from anyone on this matter.

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1. Naperville has not been good traditionally at handling issues like this in the past or present. The Huber Case has been going on for 8 years and they seem to be going backwards. They tried handling the Napergate Man for 10 years and lost 10 million dollars and their credibility and reputation.

2. Just because I suggested we all make a donation of .33 cents to negotiate a settlement with Mr. Huber does not make me a communist. He has a right to protest and if the city wants to take this right away, it would be wiser if they negotiate a settlement than go for another 10 million dollar legal battle that would involve retaining outside legal firms that specialize in Civil Rights Cases. Historically, in such cases as the Furstenau and Napergate Man, the city could not handle the Civil Rights issues and resorted to retaining outside law firms at great expense to the taxpayers.

3. I am not employing scare tactics by simply suggesting we arbitrate a solution instead of engaging Mr. Huber in a full court legal battle. I am trying to save the taxpayers some money since our in-house legal department, HISTORICALLY, and contrary to what you stated, has mishandled case after case and made mountains over moehills.

4. Look at the Seca Fund and see how most of that money goes to the friends of the establishment instead of to true culture.

5. I am beginning to think Mr. Huber is being used as a distraction by City Hall to hide the fact that the police and fire pensions may have accrued an additional 20 million in pension liability deficits in one year.(ACCORDING TO EXPERIECNED) If this Homless Striker Huber issue is so pressing why was it on the back burner for 8 years. They even got him a port-a-pottie at taxapyer expense for him and located IT almost right behind him. Now they suddenly want to get rid of it. IMAGINE OUR CITY OFFICIALS ARE NOW USING A PORT-A-POTTIE TO DISTRACT ATTENTION FROM A 20 MILLION DOLLAR PENSION LOST.(No port-a-pottie can be found in the Van Buren Garage)

Something is fishy in NaperPerfect. Nothing is adding up. Our city officials are having a sudden temper tantrun over one homeless, helpless, hopeless and harmless guy who does not pose a threat to anyone. Vacant storefronts are as much an EYESORE to our city than Mr. Huber is. Too many police in the downtown area are an EYESORE to 66.67% of teenagers in town. We can not legally pass ordinaces against anyone we perceive as an EYESORE especially if he is legally protesting 24/7 even if his PROTEST is based on the "hallucinations of a paranoid schizophrenic."

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Ps. If $25,000 is to much of a donation for Mr. Huber as many seem to think, build him a pretty brick like storage shed at his current location and tell him to play security guard and horticulturist for free which he is willing to do. He has to stay awake until every last girl got to her car safely and exited the parking lot. The storage shed would cost 5-10k and each taxpayer about .06 to 12 cents. Othwise, be ready for Margo to squander another 10 million dollars to outside Chicago Legal Firms debating a Homeless Striker's 1st Amendment and Civil Rights. Before making your decision, please remember the city has close to 100 million in pension deficits and annual budget shortfalls. We are SINKING!

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PS. I did make a phone call to a Councilman Friend and he did verify that Experienced was right and that in fact the Police and Fire Unions lost nearly 20.2 million dollars risking their retirement pensions. This is REAL MONEY they lost the last FISCAL YEAR and not PROJECTED FUTURE LIABILITY SHORTFALLS.

I will give more details on the What is on your Mind thread to try to stay on topic.

I have been presonally predicting for 3.5 years that the Big Fat Pension system will blow up in our faces. All your bloggers tried to paint me as some CRAZY PERSON as you well know. They said I hate police...lol.. Well, it finally blew up and city officials are trying to cover it up.

Rather than be worried about Mr. Huber who is harmless, bloggers need to worry about our INCOMPETENT CITY OFFICIALS and UNION BOSSES who just cost each household in Naperville $404 dollars....that is right $404 dollars to each of you while you are worried about my suggestion of giving Mr. Huber a few cents. Some of you guys are allowing the City to play you for fools by throwing bones at you to keep you away from the REAL STORY.

Mr. Napergate warned us this was going to happen. It happened! Forensic Accountant Experienced who understands numbers broke the story after intially and wrongfully believing these Police and Firefighter pension fund managers knew what they were doing and were investing safely. Well, he was wrong but I admire him for not attempting to cover up his MISTAKE.

The Napergate Man stated since we the City of Naperville is guaranteeing that our police and fire fighters receive 75% of their highest and final salaries, we are liable for any losses in their Pension Funds and most monitor and control them. How prophetic that statement is 14 years later. The Pension System did in fact take the first huge step towards IMPLOSION. Imagine a 110 story building losing its top 20 floors. In a matter of time the rest comes crumbling down. The police and fire pensions lost their top 20 floors. We have a 911 in progess. We have a 10 alarm fire in progress. And our police and fire fighters are asleep just like the residents in this town.

Seriously, folks, you should be calling for the eviction of your city officials, the police and fire unions, and any one responsible for these devastating investment losses.

The taxpayers should not have to reimburse for these losses due to incompetence. Does anyone reimburse their taxpayers for their personal losses in their 401k losses? The answer is NO. Therefore, why should we reimburse our fire fighters and police officers for their losses.

As I have always said, they should smell the java and be willing to accept 25% pension retirment benefits instead of 75%. They need to live within their means and budgets. We need to ween them off the bottle.

Finally, Moderator Magee, Experienced tipped you off to a big big story. You have a chance to be a HERO and expose a huge COVER-UP in City Hall. If you delivered the information Experienced provided you to the news department, that dept. let the residents down big time.

You guys wanted Citizent Journalists to assist you due to budgetary problems. We are assisting you.....but you guys are not listening.

Let us get the ball rolling with a blog stating Police and Fire Unions lose 20.2 million of their pension money in ONE YEAR. Let us tie it to a front page on the Naperville Sun.

And Mr. Huber if you had the slightest of common sense you would not be so obsessed with yourself. You would not be on the DEFENSIVE against City Hall. You would go on the OFFENSIVE and join me and Experienced in exposing the $20.2 million investment losses the city just took in its police and fire pensions. They want the focus on you to hide their INCOMPETENCE and you are playing their game. Stop hallucinating about the CIA and get with the program. You are a good writer....go for the jugulars of the City Officials who are going for your jugular. Now is the time to put your sign up....

Huber for Mayor....you could not do any worse than those drunken sailors running this town. They are sinking ups. They are imploding us. They are destroying this town while claiming you are....If that is not laughable, I don't know what is. And stop treating me like the enemy, Mr. Huber. Stop being paranoid! I believe you are still intelligent enough and that your faculties are still strong enough to tell your mind that I don't want to be a PARANOID SCHIZOPHRENIC anymore.

Tell yourself over and over again, I want to be the MAYOR OF NAPERVILLE IN THE NEXT ELECTION. Tell yourself you can do it. Tell yourself, I will get in there and clean this PENSION MESS once and for all. Just do it, Mr. Huber!!! Say, I CAN!

couldn't agree more dan. its about time the streets were cleaned. adios scott, it hasnt been easy, but its been fun hahahahaha. sucka

Scott states THIS IS NAPERVILLE’S “TERRORIST” 9-11 ATTACK AGAINST LAWFUL LIFE, LAWFUL, LIBERTY AND LAWFUL PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!…LOYAL SUPPORTERS OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE U. S. CONSTITUTION!

Yet another example of delusional thinking. Actual using 9-11 to strengthen his cause. He is accusing Naperville of terrorism now. I can't wait to see this guy gone. Infuriating! Even though I know he can't help it.

The 15th can't get here soon enough.

It appears that Scott is giving forewarning if his imminent intent to commit acts of public indecency. I can't believe that Naperville authorities let this man continue to show how ineffective they are.

One paranoid schizophrenic, plus whatever other mental health issues he may have, holds the entire city hostage and the police and legal department are powerless to do anything for simple fear of the possibility that one homeless person might possibly sue us for some unknown reason.

Instead of getting this person the mental health care that he so desperately needs the city has turned a blind eye on the matter and let this person go untreated for 8 long years. They should all be ashamed of themselves. If there was one bit of honor, decency, compassion, or respect for the unfortunate within anyone at city hall they should have realized 8 years ago that this person needed a court appointed guardian and should have taken proper legal steps to have one appointed to oversee his affairs. Yet not a one of them did anything. No, not a single thing. Their lack of responsible action to protect and safeguard someone who is so obviously suffering mental health issues leaves them far more culpable for nonfeasance than anything else they have already done or could possibly do in the future. How any one of them can look at themselves in their own mirror and not admit that their own apathy and lack of involvement or action is the only reason nothing has been done for 8 long years.

Seriously chris, this blog has gone too far
Cij and many other bloogers continue to sturr on an argument that should be dead.
Rediculous. This has turned the town upside down. Let's get real, he's just a hobo!
Enthusiasm for an issue like this is awful. he has had his chances in court. he FAILED
With people encouraging this dude, the argument will never end.
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Someone please agree with me. this has gone too far. this is no longer an issue.
Can't anyone see the truth. "Nobody's right if EVERYBODY'S wrong!"
Ontop of the complete ignorance going on, people still don't see this.
Too many bloggers would rather be part of the problem than the solution, resulting in nothing.
This man has tarnished the respect of everyone in naperville and should be ignored.

one thing is For sure, scott m huber is a public menace. He knows not what he does and i can't believe this blog has Used up all this space on the naperville sun webpage instead of the other issues i would think would be Considered more important to the city of naperville, like 9/11 or high school football or healthcare. I do Know that naoerville has traditionally been very good at handling issues like this in the past, but now this. this is ridiculous. we've got communists like citizen investigative journalist who are clearly employing Scare tactics to solve this situation. I've got a solution-ignore him. I hope this is the last blog ppost or Conniving comment from anyone on this matter. There's better things to discuss in thew world than this O bvious waste of time. He's a stubborn hobo who wont move, big deal. There's other bigger issues in This community to focus on. Heck, let him use his first ammendment right to free speech, I'll use mine To ignore the little bugger. There's no "hidden message" in this issue or this post haha- just ignore him! the writing is on the wall folks. moderator chris- you'd be doing this city a great service if you took down this blog and let us focus on more important matters. cij, quit feeding the fire please.

By Anonymous on September 11, 2009 10:36 AM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 11, 2009 1:23 AM

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CIJ, there isn't anything to understand. You made a case previously that Mr. Huber is a paranoid Schizophrenic, and you used a long example that you have a friend in a similar situation.

Mr. Huber is acting exactly as you describe his affliction - no?

YES

Would you think he would act and respond any differently?

NO

UPDATED...HOT ITEM FRESH OFF THE PRESS...THE AIRCRAFT HAVE FLOWN IN AND THE EXPLOSIONS HAVE STARTED...8:30 AM CDT 9-11-09...

...

At 8:30 AM this morning the Waste Management port-a-potty servicer had to wait for the city to give him instructions.

The instructions from the City were that he should pump out the port-a-potty for mothballing.

The City is removing the port-a-potty for the Winter Season ....they say.

So, Bottom Line...

No more port-a-potty and that means the parking deck will soon start smelling of urine along the walls and stair cases and deck floors where night life will urinate between cars and the like.

The dumpster areas and walls along the alley next to the parking deck will soon start smelling of urine again also.

I don't believe that the removal is because of reduced use during the winter. I saw no reduced use during the cold months. The drinkers drink just as much in the cold months as they do in the summer as I see it!

I believe it is to make my presence here more difficult even if the Ordinance is passed I will have 30 days to clear out. So for the next 30 days minimum I will have to look elsewhere to use the rest room!

The "smell checkers" thought they had a problem with me but now they will legitimately have an issue to take up with the City.

Even with the City debt I don't believe that they cannot afford the service!!!

So much for the sweet smelling City of Naperville prestige in their pristine excellence of existence that did not even keep their garden bed up to professional or even “Naperville standards“....and they want to make an issue of my strike presence...WHAT A CROCK!

THIS IS NAPERVILLE’S “TERRORIST” 9-11 ATTACK AGAINST LAWFUL LIFE, LAWFUL, LIBERTY AND LAWFUL PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS!…LOYAL SUPPORTERS OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT AND THE U. S. CONSTITUTION!

Email your City Fathers and let them know what a crock this Ordinance really is!

Copy and paste the email addresses to you email address field and tell City what you think about their interfering with strike and protest rights, presence and reasonable and durable amenities on the strike line!

See…

www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

Scott M. Huber

8:59 AM CDT
9-11-09

NOTICE...

If you should copy and paste my URL linked notices and email them make sure that the URLS are included in their entirety.

To make sure the long URLS are properly linked in your copy put your mouse on the link and right click on it and "copy shortcut" then paste the copy over the link in your copy highlighting the link in the copied notice and then pasting the corrected link into its place!

It might not hurt to do this with each link just to make sure they will work in your emailed copy!

Scott M. Huber
1:46 PM CDT
9-11-09

Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 11, 2009 1:23 AM
Mr. Huber,
I came here to support you. I have always supported your right to protest the last 8 years. When I had extra money, I made a contribution to you.

I don't understand you as of late.

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CIJ, there isn't anything to understand. You made a case previously that Mr. Huber is a paranoid Schizophrenic, and you used a long example that you have a friend in a similar situation. Mr. Huber is acting exactly as you describe his affliction - no? Why would you think he would act and respond any differently?

9/11 SURVIVAL PACKET INFORMATION WARNING AND PLEA!!!

Folks,

Feel free to distribute this as an email as you desire! It may well be voted on at the City Council Meeting on September 15 unless revisions are made! The meeting
is at 7 PM and registration to speak is at 6:30 to 7 PM before the meeting 9-15-09 in the City Clerk's office on the main floor of City Hall. These are called N1 issues. Your 2 cents is appreciated even if by email to the city fathers.

See this for their phone numbers and email...

www.naperville.il.us/council..aspx

Here are the email addresses...just copy and paste them into your email address blank!...

kriegerd@naperville.il.us,mayor@naperville.i l.us,boyajianj@naperville.il.us,brodheadj@nap erville.il.us,fieselerr@naperville.il.us,furs tenaur@naperville.il.us,hinterlongp@napervill e.il.us,smail@dr.com,kraused@naperville.il.us ,millerk@naperville.il.us,wehrlig@naperville. il.us,diald@naperville.il.us

PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY IN SUPPORT OF 1ST AMENDMENT CIVIL RIGHTS!

The more emails in my favor the better BEFORE September 15, 2009! I believe the City is ignoring basic rights to strike, protest and picket with reasonable amenities on the line like the Boeing strike...

www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710 109818

Strikes, Protests and Pickets should be exempt from any City Ordinances such as the one below and others. A minority of affluent are trying to take the teeth out of the protest and its right to choose the best place to do it on public lands and ways and make it lest feasible to endure till a proper response from the City et al.

SEE MY SPEECH BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL’S REASONINGS 8-18-09 !...

The VIDEO of the Tuesday 8-18-09 meeting with me addressing the Naperville City Council is here...Make sure to move the video button to approximately the last three quarters inch of the slide at approximately 3.50 in your Windows Media Player when it pops up and watch the N1 issues!....

naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2& clip_id=72&...

Just keep in mind that ultimately the real issue with the minority is to get rid of my right to be a citizen or Naperville. That they don’t want to have to deal with their dereliction of duty and crimes committed by City Police. They don’t want to have to protect ALL their citizens and Businessmen especially when based on freedom of religion and discrimination on perceived and actual socio-economic grounds!

Chief Dave Dial said I have broken no laws!

Mayor George Pradel said on behalf of the City Council on 8-18-09 that I am not Homeless!

The Bottom Line Folks is that a Government doesn't allow criminals to destroy one's life treasures, records, business and savings, AKA his estate and allow their own police officers to steal, plunder and invade the privacy of a resident who in good faith participated in this community and then tell him to beat it we don't want Homeless people here!

For more details see my Flickr site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@N08/2370191842/

ON THIS ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11 DON’T LET THIS NEW FORM OF ELITE TERRORISM SUBVERT OUR CHERISHED CIVIL RIGHTS AND CATER TO A SELFISH PEOPLE WHEN THE MAJORITY DON’T AGREE! DON’T LET THE CITY AND A FEW SELFISH MINORITY BUSINESSMEN AND UPPITY SELF CENTERED ELITISTS BLOW UP THIS NAPERVILLE BUSINESSMAN’S LIFE ANY FURTHER THAN THEY ALREADY HAVE! DON’T LET THEM GET A WAY WITH A FORM OF MURDER!

Thanks,

Scott M. Huber

10:09 AM CDT

9-11-09

CIJ wrote:

I say give him 25k and find him an apartment with an office. As part of the deal he must promise never to habilitate on any sidewark, street or whatever in Naperville.

Earlier in this thread, Scott Huber wrote:

A 25K or 50K settlement just does not even begin to deal with the realities of damages owed in this case! You who so suggest must be "smoking something" or immersed in a lot of wishful thinking!

Did I miss the post wherein Mr. Huber changed his mind and decided that $25K would be sufficient after all?

-JQP

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 11, 2009 12:55 AM

Could you kindly post them again?

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In deference to Chris, go the the current open topic.

Dan on September 9, 2009 9:56 PM http://blogs.suburbanchicagonews.com/newsblog/2009/08/should_city_evict_homeless_man.html#comment-95840

The label liberal, moderate or conservative is relative and really doesn't mean much unless you spell it out in context. I don't think it is fair to use such labels in such limited contexts when they imply much broader positionings and associations that are not necessarily fair characterizations of your object.

>>"We just can't stand to see someone actually live and earn the American Dream can we? He must of cheated."

Isn’t the above statement what this whole protest controversy is foundationally about? Unless one is approved by the Home Rule control group and under their “spiritual” hold not the Constitution under Love one must be evil and thus be denied “his” foundational civil rights and equal protection of the law! Doesn‘t that also violate one’s Freedom to practice “his” Religion clause?!

Folks Dan again has misrepresented the facts. The YMCA address is NOT my forwarding address. Even if they got my mails they would go in the T can as they would never exercise Christian conduct and extend that kind of courtesy to me. I speak from experience with such things!

Scott M. Huber
3:30 PM CDT
9-10-09

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 10, 2009 10:10 PM
>>"Anonymous on September 9, 2009 6:33 PM
CIJ says: I had a conversation with Scott and if he is forced to leave as expected while he sues the city, he will be moving 100 feet east where he is technically on North Central College property but on the border of downtown."

CIJ is obviously playing "Omniscient" again! He needs to go back to "Omniscient" school! You are a bad "mind reader" CIJ!

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Mr. Huber,

I came here to support you. I have always supported your right to protest the last 8 years. When I had extra money, I made a contribution to you.

I don't understand you as of late. You told me in the presence of another individual who called you Mr. Huber, and that we both know, that you are moving 100 feet east right on the other side of the garage that you believed was not DOWNTOWN. Since you probably told Margo Ely the same thing you told both of us, she moved the borders further east to Ellsworth to take in North Cental College.If you had a lawyer, he would have advised you to keep your tongue immobile in your mouth. You have a habit of putting foot in mouth and turning off your supporters and enriching your opponenents with juicy information to beat you in court.

Just like Governor Blagojevich is incriminating himself before his court battle, you are also incriminating yourself. Honestly, I would be quiet if I were you if you are plan on suing the city as you state you are.

Don't bother suing them for the 2 million the police stole from your warehouse. No one is going to believe that one. The best chance you have is to sue them for denying you the RIGHT TO PROTEST on a public sidewalk. Take some pictures of Joey the Hot Dog Man at 2am and show how he blocks the entire sidewalk with his large cart and customers. Margo Ely would be hard pressed to mention you are obstructing the sidewalk if you have these pics. This happens 20 feet away from you every weekend. Drunks have to walk in the street since the sidewalk is filled to capacity. That is a danger to our community and Margo Ely and the City Council sold this right for a lousy ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS per year. Imagine a right to obstruct a sidewalk is for sale. You only occupy one third of a very large sidewalk and are not obstructing anything.

You have a case Mr. Huber. But you need to find an attorney who believes in you. Who can trust you? Stop your hallucinations on this blog site and stick to your First Amendmenrt Rights....you just may bring Margo Ely down as she seems like she is ready to be taking down.

You tell me things directly and than you talk about this shrimp wrap nonsense. I had a witness that night. He was a retailer that actually respects you and supports you. He politely joined our conversation. I made a donation of a bill exceeding the 10 dollar bill in his presence. And instead of saying thank you, you asked me how do I know you are not a CIA agent running some kind of clandestine operation.

Mr. Huber, while I support your right to strike, homeless or otherwise, while I support your right to live on the sidewalk as you have no place to go, I think supporting YOU at this point is almost impossible.

To support you I would have to make a fool of myself and lose all my hard gained credibility. I am not about to do that.

Thank you,
CIJ

PS. While you are at it please document or inventory your 2 million worth of valuables that were in the storage house. I hope you had some gold and diamonds in that small storage facility as 2 million is a lot of VALUE....especially when we are talking personal items and not real estate.

By Experienced on September 10, 2009 9:21 PM
By Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 10, 2009 5:22 PM

Imagine we have a $61.4 million pension deficit for just the police and fire fighters and the City of Naperville refuses to tell the taxpayers what the new number is for fiscal year 2009 that ended nearly 4.5 months ago. Where is the press release to the Sun? Is the Sun suppose to file a FOIA request to get this number. Please help CM Bob as you have so often in the past...thank you!

End of story!

CIJ

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Where have you been? I sent most of the numbers to the Sun in July. Ask Chris.

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Where have you been and Welcome Back....

I wish you would have posted them. I checked the city web site before I POSTED earlier today and unless I don't know where to go, the last year they have posted is 2008.

The law gives them 6 months from April 30, 2009 to post publicly the fiscal 2009 numbers. So maybe they are holding off from posting publicly or posted them in an area I am not familiar with. The city is NOT in violation yet as far as PUBLIC POSTING, IF they have not yet posted.

Could you kindly post them again? If not, the request also goes out to CM Bob who has posted so many useful numbers before the City posts them on their official Web Site.

Are the Corinthians homeless, protesters, or Hotdog vendors? I misplaced my scorecard somewhere. Last I heard they were making interiors for Chrysler products, but that was along time ago about the same time Scott was in Lemont. I better go to sleep, I know Scott is dream protesting right now.

>>"Anonymous on September 9, 2009 6:33 PM
CIJ says: I had a conversation with Scott and if he is forced to leave as expected while he sues the city, he will be moving 100 feet east where he is technically on North Central College property but on the border of downtown."

CIJ is obviously playing "Omniscient" again! He needs to go back to "Omniscient" school! You are a bad "mind reader" CIJ!

>>"According to Huber's own site [and this can't be a shrimp wrap violation, as it is a letter]"

Clearly disrespectful...It is correctly called Terms of Use Contract. I thought you would pick up on that since the mauling of the original term "Shrink Wrap Contract" to what you have evolved it to.

Here is another classic example of manipulating the facts and at that negatively at least by implication…with the URL below make sure you read the CONTEXT provided at...

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/ncc_intro.html

in which the following link "Anonymous on September 9, 2009" posted is found.

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/images/NCCrespLtr.jpg

>>"Huber is banned from the campus under threat of arrest. So such a move would be a pretty bad idea."

Now you can see how "Anonymous on September 9, 2009" likes to post his information about me...Only the part that could be misinterpreted negatively!

This is another example of the character of my antagonists who are manipulators of fact!

"Anonymous on September 9, 2009" and the rest of this antagonist “motley” crew who do you think you are kidding...be sure your "Sin" will find you out when you refuse to do what is Truthful and Right…Love‘s Will!!! Numbers 32:22-24! Exaggerations, slanting the facts and falsifying the facts just don’t honorably cut it! When YOU think YOU stand take heed that YOU don't fall! 1 Corinthians 10:12

Scott M. Huber
2:02 PM CDT
9-10-09

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 10, 2009 5:22 PM

Imagine we have a $61.4 million pension deficit for just the police and fire fighters and the City of Naperville refuses to tell the taxpayers what the new number is for fiscal year 2009 that ended nearly 4.5 months ago. Where is the press release to the Sun? Is the Sun suppose to file a FOIA request to get this number. Please help CM Bob as you have so often in the past...thank you!

End of story!

CIJ

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Where have you been? I sent most of the numbers to the Sun in July. Ask Chris.

By Anonymous on September 10, 2009 6:56 PM
CIJ,
You must be a reporter for the Sun as you have your facts all wrong.

While Original Joe is wondering if Dan is the Hot Dog Man, I am wondering if you are Margo Ely. I am not a reporter for the Naperville Sun but I am a Citizen Investigative Journalist for the Sun assigned my role by the former Host and Moderator. And I always keep my facts as straight as possible. I strive to maintain my credibility to the best of my ability.

1) Wherli didn't vote to bail out a cousin, THE PARK DISTRICT DID!

Wehrli did bail out his cousin. His cousin bought this single residential lot to the City Council who converted it from a single home lot to a multi-unit high density townhome complex against the wishes of the majority of the surrounding neighbors who signed a petition in opposition. They increased the value of his property before they handed it to the Park District who purchased it. Anyone with half a brain who follows real estate knows that the value of that property declined substantially with the collapse of the real estate market. If he was getting true value as you say based on residential and not high density, his $2.5 million property he brought at the peak of the bubble would be worth no more than $1.5 million assuming he could find a way to stop the 2 ponds from connecting during heavy rainstorms. This is why Dr. Soper left his property years before he could find a SUCKER to buy it. His basement had flooded many times each year. So, yes Wehrli did vote to bail out his cousin by increasing the value of the property by rezoning it multi-unit high density. This portion took place before the City Council and not the Park District.

Now I was at that Council Meeting and many spectators including a council man or two protested the Conflict of Interest situation. Margo Ely who "may be you" made a ruling that there was no conflict of interest. I may not be a lawyer but I can tell you there was a conflict of interest. I think Margo Ely should resign if she does not know what a conflict of interest is. She apparently knows but the Stepford Wife Council has roboted her and given her orders that she must obey if she wants a paycheck and a pension to boot one day. They have successfully converted her into a POTTED PLANT that is water hosed on the first and third Tuesday of each month.

2) In fact, as part of the rezoning of the property that any sale would be based on the original zoning and not the new zoning class. The City would not allow a windfall to anyone. Even Wherli voted FOR this!

The city will and has historically allowed windfalls for those in favor known as the Establishment. At one point according to the Napergate Man about 99% of zoning in this town was going through one law firm that being the infamous Brestal Law Firm. If you attempted to zone without using Brestal and Co. you failed 99% of the time. If you used Brestal and Co. you won 99% of the time. The Napergate Man figured this connection out and rallied 10 subdivisions to prevent a gas station/shopping center in his own subdivision that was being pushed by Mr. Bill Brestal. He along with his supporters put up one hell of a battle against Brestal and the City Council in that battle known as Spring Green. The city council did not know what hit them and flip flopped on their vote every time they came to session for numerous sessions. To the best of my recollection, the only City Council Member who never flip flopped even once was Mayor George Pradel. Mayor Pradel was a stauch supporter of the Brestal Law Firm and if they want to put a landfill in the middle of a subdivision he would have let them. He would have rationalized it by saying we finally got the "mountain" we need to take first place away from Ft. Collins, Colorado in the Mony/CNN national rankings.

It seemed like the Napergagte Man developed a unique respect for Mayor Pradel since he was not a hypocrite but an honest man who voted as he believed regardless of pressure from either side.

JFYI, the city council finally voted against the developer, Marker and the Brestal Law Firm. The Napergate Man filled the city council chambers, got a lot of media interested and even held a large protest on the corner of Hobson and Naper Blvd. that attracted hundreds of protesteors and media including Chicago TV stations. The city council can succumb to the right kind of pressure if the light is shining on them. They don't like to show their true colors in broad daylight.

In the future know the facts before you speak. Otherwise you just sound like a whiner or Dick Firstenau.

I think you sound like a whiner who is spineless and can not use a moniker so we can hold you accountable for what you say. You are aware there are over 100 Anonymous's on this blog site so you can say whatever you want and not be held responsible. Your behavior in my opinion borders on wimpish. Dick Furstenau while making a mistake with his lawsuit still cares about this town. He wants the pension system looked at according to a Sun article this week and realizes it is not sustainable. He is not afraid to stand up for the taxpayers who elected him. He is not afraid of the police or fire union. He is a brave and principled man. He watches out for our taxes more than any other council member. One day when the Chinese stop loaning us money to subsidize our pension system and government corruption, people will understand the positions of the Napergate Man that Furstenau continues to push very hard. Furstenau should be commended for carrying forward the legacy of the Napergate Man. He is human and made a mistake. I am sure the Napergate Man made some mistakes in his storied life, too. I have also made more than my fair share of mistakes. No one is perfect.

CIJ

CIJ,
You must be a reporter for the Sun as you have your facts all wrong.

1) Wherli didn't vote to bail out a cousin, THE PARK DISTRICT DID!

2) The city council had nothing to do with the purchase. In fact, as part of the rezoning of the property that any sale would be based on the original zoning and not the new zoning class. The City would not allow a windfall to anyone. Even Wherli voted FOR this!

In the future know the facts before you speak. Otherwise you just sound like a whiner or Dick Firstenau.

Not so fast Mr. Shake down artist.

Here is your beloved ACLU and it shows Naperville to be clearly on solid ground.

http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/13454prs20030513.html.

http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/37157prs20081013.html

All they have to do is put you someplace warm and keep your belongings for 30 days.

For once click on a link other than you own deal in reality. Unless you can protest in your sleep, you are movin on up to the east side.

I am beginning to wonder if Dan sells hot dogs.

By anonymous on September 10, 2009 8:58 AM
CIJ,
What law, exactly, did Wherli break? The guy is related to half the town so I'm wondering what he can and can not vote on.

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Wehrli was related to one fifth of the town during Naper Settlement Days 175 years ago.

Naperville is now 144,300 citizens based on signs posted on the entrances.

He may be related to 100th of the town at most if you count marriages. Remember, this is a transferee town.

If your cousin is charged for murder, would you be allowed to serve on a jury appointed to determine his innocence or guilt. Of course not. It is called a CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

If your cousin appears to have bought a mud swamp for $2.5 million between 2 ponds, you are suppose to recuse yourself from voting to bail him out for the $2.5 million he would have lost.

Wehrli Developer Cousin bought at the peak of the bubble. Even if he could find a way to stop the flooding that forced Dr. Soper to evacuate his home years before he sold it, he would have taken at least a 20% hit due to the real estate bubble.

Thus his cousin voted wrongfully and apparently may have influnenced other council men to vote to save his cousin's rear end.

This is wrong. The taxapyers took it up the WAZZZZZZZOOOOOOOOOOOO and than some!

Sometimes, I feel many bloggers don't understand the very basics of laws, ordinances and conflicts of interest.

Even though I am no expert in law, I will do my best to educate when I can. If I don't come across clear, please keep in mind while I wore many hats during my career, I was never a teacher or professor. If I were, I would be getting an 85% pension based on massive raises the last 4 years of my career and living by the Atlantic Ocean somewhere in Florida where they don't have state income tax.

I would not be double dipping for more money like Assistant City Manager Robert Marshall who is very highly paid while collecting a pension estimated at well over 80k per year. Since we have another 7 digit budget shortfall facing us according to a recent article in the Sun, I think we should consider laying him off and hiring a college graduate for one third the price assuming we need someone to fill his position. In essence we have 2 City Managers in the City while we only need one. Let us lay off from the top for once instead of always laying off the city employees on the bottom who have no connections. We do the opposite of what corporate America does. I wonder why!?!?!?!??!!??!??

Keep in mind RM retired from the NPD while capable of running 26 mile marathons at age 52. So it is a poor excuse to say he was not capable of continuing physically due to the "stress" of police work. RM did nothing wrong. He took advantage of a corrupt and broken system. Just like we do when we take advantage of legal IRS loopholes.

The IRS eventually plugs the loopholes. The City is enjoying the loopholes at the expense of its residents. They never plug anything as long as it enriches them. Pretty soon we will be borrowing money from China to plug the deficit holes just like the Federal Govt. is. Imagine we have a $61.4 million pension deficit for just the police and fire fighters and the City of Naperville refuses to tell the taxpayers what the new number is for fiscal year 2009 that ended nearly 4.5 months ago. Where is the press release to the Sun? Is the Sun suppose to file a FOIA request to get this number. Please help CM Bob as you have so often in the past...thank you!

End of story!

CIJ

bfife on September 9, 2009 3:12 PM

Sit down on a chair or couch fella. You and CIJ are two of a kind in that you are not very observant! The ordinance has NOT BEEN PASSED! Not yet anyway! That is what will be discussed on September 15, 2009. It may be sent back for revision and then voted on later. City Attorney Margo Ely said that to me personally as she stopped by to talk to me about it twice now!

I do believe that the majority of Naperville will not be in favor of this ordinance as it violates First Amendment Rights. The City seems to think that Home Rule exempts them from the U.S. Constitution. That is what will be tested if it does pass.

I hope that the public will show the city council through their calls and emails to the City Fathers that they feel that they are going too far with this ordinance denying First Amendment Rights so that a few selfish businesses and citizens that only want to plump up the feathers in their beds get their way and not let other deserving businessmen and citizens have a piece of the pie too.

It is clear that I am also a businessman in this community and the City is playing affluent minority favorites.

Settle up Naperville and avoid unnecessary expenses! I don’t intend to go away! I intend to have this Despotism reviewed!

Settle up Naperville and give the money you would use for litigation to a debt you owe and should honorably settle and go after the crooks!

Scott M. Huber
7:42 PM CDT
9-9-09

CIJ..easiest point. Government Employees have a pension AND Social Security. Just like you have a choice of as an employee of most any workforce. Social Security is security blanket, it is not to support your every means. I am sure you are liberal and think it should.

Downtown ecompasses much of the public space. If he moves to North Central College he will wilt like a flower does with out water and go away.

You are obviously of the flower child era and expect all Government to be evil. You are also a master at clouding the issue. Now its a pension that is evil.

Frankly if he moves elsewhere afterwards we will see if others tolerate him as well as the downtown community for ten years.

You should stick to the issues. Should the city evict a homeless man? All this other chatter is non-sense from a psudo-reporter.

Please give him 25K of your money, don't worry about mine. I like how Naperville is run. They just need to go through the final steps of push Scott Huber/Landscape Artist/TV Repairman/Antarchist into a safe place he belongs.

Meanwhile I will be buying a hotdog from a licensed tax paying vendor on the wonderful downtown streets of Naperville.

One other thing it is called RibFest not Pigfest. Yet another brilliant event Naperville started.

To Dan on September 9, 2009 7:08 PM,

The only 'madness' that exists is in your own mind as evidenced by your hypothetical and fictional rantings. The truth is Scott doesn't do anything to bug you, but you allow yourself to be bugged by his simple existence. In my opinion, Scott made himself and put himself there. He can remove himself when he chooses to.

Just who do you think you are when you think you can start deciding who to allow where in this city?

Let me try a Dan tactic: "Where will the madness end? What next, an ordinance not allowing fat people in the downtown area or people with an IQ below a certain number? Heaven forbid we actually allow people to be there as they actually are in real life; we must keep up the Facade that this is Perfectville!".

Sounds pretty stupid when it's tossed back in your face, doesn't it? That's because it is stupid.

You sound like a downtown business owner trying to find a scapegoat as to why your sales are in the crapper. Here's a famous quote: "It's the Economy, Stupid"

It's not Scott's fault.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 10, 2009 12:58 AM

Naperville just wants him out of the downtown. They really don't care if he shacks up in front of Wal-Mart. They figure Wal-Mart has deep pockets and would find a way to evict him off their property.

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Wal-Mart wouldn't have to evict anyone, they would simply have him arrested for Trespassing.

CIJ,
What law, exactly, did Wherli break? The guy is related to half the town so I'm wondering what he can and can not vote on.

10-2-1-2: CAMPING OR SLEEPING, OR STORING PERSONAL PROPERTY ON PUBLIC WAYS IN THE DOWNTOWN.

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The heading of the new ordinance made it clear that everything they said ONLY applied to the DOWNTOWN.

If the heading is about DOWNTOWN specifically, than the rest of the comments would also ONLY be about DOWNTOWN, and to the best of my knowledge are.

Naperville just wants him out of the downtown. They really don't care if he shacks up in front of Wal-Mart. They figure Wal-Mart has deep pockets and would find a way to evict him off their property.

By Anonymous on September 9, 2009 8:31 PM
Whosit sai

Really? Did you even read the rest of it? The parts that were talking about commerce, and being a shopping and restaurant district and etc. You know, the description of downtown?...... What I do wonder, though, is where SH goes when it does pass? Seriously, what is his option, beyond ignoring all of this and spending some time in a locked room?

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You ask me if I read the rest of it. Yes, I did. Do you read this blog site before your comment?

I interviewed Mr. Scott M. Huber for one full hour. I asked him where he would be moving and he pointed 100 ft. EAST right in front of Wentz Concert Hall where it borders the other side of the garage.

In essence he will be out of downtown, but on the border of downtown. I can assure you that Mr. Ted Slovick and all the good folks at North Central College are outraged at Margo Eli for wording this resolution in the way she worded it.

Margo Ely did not solve the problem. She moved it 100 feet.

Scott M. Huber will drag the city of Naperville though a Napergate Style court battle that will cost us 10 million but that he will eventually lose as they will discover he has lose screws and bearing upstairs.

I say give him 25k and find him an apartment with an office. As part of the deal he must promise never to habilitate on any sidewark, street or whatever in Naperville. Keep in mind he is mentally ill, so we should consider it a charity. We can use Seca Funds since it will protect the image of the spanking new Wentz Concert Hall. It will cost each home in Naperville 50 cents. If you factor in business contributions from real estate tax it may only cost each home 33 cents. You can not even buy a piece of gum for 33 cents.

Let us not be penny wise and pound foolish as we were in the Napergate Man Case where we were so ashamed of ourselves that we buried all the records of the case with Former Mayor Samuel McCrane who started the whole mess. What a legacy he left behind him? No one remembers him or cares to remember him.

I would like to see Mayor George "Charles" Pradel leave a wonderful legacy behind him. Except for not finding a way to build a mountain in Naperville, in my opinion he is doing that with a few minor exceptions.....one being not taking a stand against armed robbers who are let out of jail after only 90 days, after holding up Naperville Retailers.

Show up on the 14th at Dupage Courthouse, Mayor Pradel, as our representative, and let your voice be heard loud and clear.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

CIJ

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Moderator Magee,

Please see if you can get some interest in your news dept. or opinion dept. as far as taking a stand against these prosecutors and judges in Dupage County who treat criminals as if they are playing musical chairs or revolving doors with them.

They are risking our lives and those of our precious children.

Thank you!

Dan,

I have never complained about 99.9% of businessess in Naperville.
So please stop hallucinating with your comments.

I am against any pension given to any goverment employee. So in that area I am 100% against the system. Another blogger came on today, I believe on health reform, and wished all pensions would be eradicated.

I wish his dream will come true.

He said what it good for us is good for them.

The govt put us on Social Security. How dare they put themselves on a pension system that allows them to collect up to 85-90% of their highest salary as young of an age of 50. And the postal office is adding in half the equivalent of SS benefits at age 55 to age 62. No wonder we are broke and owe the Chinese 500 million in interest each month.

I am simply against what is broken and corrupt....and much is broken and corrupt unfortunatley...

CIJ

First we had Furstenau, Napergate, Birkett, The Entire City Council, Dupage County now we have the newest boogie man to cloud the issue...The Scary Hotdog Man!!! Everyone is at fault, we need to call in the National Guard. Society has we know it will cease to exist. Alas, calmly in the middle of fray they'll be the liberal savior Scott Huber.

We just can't stand to see someone actually live and earn the American Dream can we? He must of cheated.

Let's do it the liberal way, for every hotdog evil corrupt hotdog man sells we will grant Scott a dollar.

As a public service here is Mr Huber's new forwarding address;
Scott Huber
C/O The YMCA
34 S. Washington Street
Naperville, (Excuse me Huberville) IL 60540

By Dan on September 9, 2009 7:17 PM ==

Nice cheap shot, rumors and speculation. Bleeding heart liberal tactics at their finest. You showed yourself, CIJ.

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It seems like you just began blogging recently and are getty cocky already and possibly beginning to lose it just a bit with your new found ARROGANCE.

There was a thread on the Hog Dog Man in which many participated. Many on that thread seemed to know of a connection between Margo's family and the hot dog man.

Even though I believed what I was reading, I went out of my way to say it was UNCONFIRMED....meaning I do not have direct evidence.

But I have direct evidence that he pays $1000 a year in a license fee, while Last Fling operators pay $1750 for 4 days and PigFest vendors pay $2500 for 4 days. That just does not seem right or fair.

As far as whether he pays his taxes, I don't know. But he does not even have the simplest of registers to keep track of his sales. He does not accept credit cards or checks. It is all green cash straight in his pocket that is untraceable.

Bascially he can be the 1% honest in such a situation or be the 99% who are dishonest in this situation. We know what the odds are but since there is a possibilty he can be that 1%, he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt. But if the city wants to increase the odds of collecting sales tax from these vendors, they need to require them to have inexpensive simple register that do X and Z readings. They can be picked up at Sam's Warehouse for 99 bucks or less. You can even pick up a money counter at that place for 200 dollars similar to the ones the banks have. It use to cost thousands of dollars.

In my opinion if a retailer/vendor does not want a register, he does not want anyone to know what his sales are, including the Federal Govt. or State Govt and possibly the City of Naperville as Joey the Hot Dog Man would need to pay that 1% directly to the city coffers to subsidize the 100k police OT for the PigFest.

I provide more direct confirmed information on this blog site than any other blogger. When I can not confirm something but believe it, I still say it is UNCONFIRMED.

I think it is you who took a cheap shot on me for being honest. The only item I could not confirm, I stated was UNCOMFIRMED. For you to say I am spreading rumors and speculations when I clearly stated it was UNCONFIRMED, indicates you have reached a new low just to boost your EGO. Your gamemanship does not work here. It will be ripped apart.

Now before you make any further comment on the Hot Dog Man, at least read the whole thread as I did and try to catch up. Then your opinion will count. Right now you sound like you are blabbing away like a high speed record that is off track.

Do you have evidence from a pyschiatrist or psychologist that Scott Huber is mentally ill? No, you don't! So aren't you spreading rumors and speculation? It is your opinion without ever having interviewed the man at length.

I interviewed the man at length before declaring him a paranoid schizophrenic on this blog site. I let him talk for a full hour. I gave him a donation exceeding the 10 dollar denomination and after he accepted without saying thank you, he accused me of working for the CIA and wanted to know what if anything I had up my sleeve.

Despite supporting him on this blog site, he attacked me for no reason. Even though I may have never entered his restricted sites and if I did I apologized, he kept attacking me repeatedly after I apologized. He kept accusing me of re-entering even though I never re-entered.

When he told me he has 2 million of valuables taken from his storage facility but could not tell me what constituted this 2 million, I knew he was delusional. Anyone would give you a 100 bucks just to see 2 million of treasure in a storage shed. He would be able to open it with that 100 dollars and pay someone 5 times the amount back and still have $1,999,500 dollars left in valuables and belongings. You would almost need a combination of gold and silver to fill a shed with 2 million dollars. Old VCRs and TVs are almost worthless these days with much improved technology.

Anyway, I think you and Mr. Huber are both losing it.

I don't like to be attacked for being 100% honest and truthful.

As far as I am concerned Attorney Margo Eli reads this blog site daily. If Mr. Hot Dog Man has no connection to her, she can speak up. Of course this is the same Attorney who said Cousin Wehrli on the City Council had no connection to Cousin Wehrli the builder and allowed him to vote on his cousins side in the Ponds of Hobson West ordeal. That is not a rumor BTW and is CONFIRMED!!!

Whosit said
She obviously feels downtown is more important than the rest of Naperville. That the rest of town is chopped liver and Scott can do as he pleases as long as he evacuates the DOWNTOWN. If he wants he can park on school grounds for all she cares.

Really? Did you even read the rest of it? The parts that were talking about commerce, and being a shopping and restaurant district and etc. You know, the description of downtown? Think for even a second, CIJ, that this situation with a homeless man would have lasted if he was camped out with all of accoutrements in one of the neighborhoods, perhaps by a school bus stop or something?
It is a shame that we need something like this, but it seems to be broadly written, and pretty well conceived, though IANAL.
I hope it passes, and we can all move past this madness. What I do wonder, though, is where SH goes when it does pass? Seriously, what is his option, beyond ignoring all of this and spending some time in a locked room?

danny asked...What happens when a store within this downtown area is selling something (say a book) and people (say kids, parents) camp out the night before so they can be there when the store opens in the am to buy the book.

Will the kids and parents get tickets?

Here's you answer; Key word Permit. Allows the city to plan with extra traffic planning a police so all is safe.

3.3 Participating in or attending a parade, festival performance, rally, demonstration, meeting, or similar event conducted on the public way pursuant to a special event permit.

CIJ STATED... I have to wonder if Margo has ulterior motives. It has been reported(not confirmed) that this hot dog guy has a relationship with her or her husband. His location in the late evenings is next to Scott. Maybe she wants Scott further away from Joey the Hot Dog Guy and that is all she wants.
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Nice cheap shot, rumors and speculation. Bleeding heart liberal tactics at their finest. You showed yourself, CIJ.

If hot dog guy pays taxes, I'm a big fan. Don't worry soon they'll be a homeless Vienna protester in front of him, with a tarp, a generator and a sign. Let em' be.

I wasn't going to post anymore. But you people leave me no choice.
CIJ, Joe and others, you're attitudes are why this country is going no where in a hurry. You insist on letting whomever, whatever do what they want. Get this through your liberal tainted minds, LIFE IS INHERENTLY UNFAIR!

It is NOT okay for Scott to be on the sidewalk, because if it is I may just do the same in front of Creatures protesting abortion for 10 years. I will have a tarp and a sign and my hand out for money. MY GENERATOR WILL BE HUGE!

Or, a vegetarian will camp out in front of Sullivan's because beef is served there.

Or a Tree Huger in front of Barnes and Noble because of the trees cut for books.

WHERE DOES THE MADNESS STOP??

CIJ you know very well Scott wont move to a neighborhood because he loves attentions, he'd be alone for hours at a time

It is not okay for this self serving Scott Huber to be on the street for 8 years straight for whatever reason.

This nonsense about he's not bothering anyone, let him be...makes me want to vomit!!! You are the same ones that set up children for a victim mentality. Oh there, there little Joey now you got an F in math...that's not you fault it's someone Else's fault.

Scott calls himself a "little one" he expects to be victimized so it must be true!

I believe him to be Delusional, he has an excuse. Others empowering this behavior have no excuse. Just keep it up, would you like your downtown area full of beggars? Huber and Joe can hide behind all that ACLU garbage. In the end it will be proved wrong. People like you are going to make other people not like Scott. He needs to get off the street.

Is there anyone in the Naperville government that CIJ feels is competent and not on the take or somehow "stealing" or otherwise not performing properly?

CIJ says: I had a conversation with Scott and if he is forced to leave as expected while he sues the city, he will be moving 100 feet east where he is technically on North Central College property but on the border of downtown.

According to Huber's own site [and this can't be a shrimp wrap violation, as it is a letter]

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/images/NCCrespLtr.jpg

Huber is banned from the campus under threat of arrest. So such a move would be a pretty bad idea.

Folks,

As many of you know I have endeavored to be circumspect in my conducts wherever I find myself. My antagonists in this forum are not truly trying to do the same. They have an ulterior motive.

I have pointed out areas where the commenter has misinformed or misstated the facts. Some may not be intentional but I believe more and more they are deliberate deceptions of fact.

I say to the readers beware! There are so many cases of just plain bad facts engendered about my state of mind and protest that it makes my head spin. The hours it will take to set these straight will be enormous. So the best I can advise is read between the lines and with a razor sharp perception watch these antagonists as you will then see what I am talking about.

Scott M. Huber
6:27 PM CDT
9-9-09

"Guys",

I have been tracking bfife's style for some time now and I am very suspect that he is the guy that attacked my Protest site back on January 4, 2009 tearing my tarp off subjecting me to the rain and elements busting my Christmas ornaments and busting up my new umbrella I spent $17 for shortly prior. Did the police make him pay up and replace the damaged property NO. They said there was no criminal damage to property and then pursued a critique of my generator trying to subject it to the rules that open flame devices are governed by!

The intense behavior and hatred bfife has vented here in this forum tipped me off as the guy that attacked me was similarly intense. He came yelling and screaming at me saying "your time is up"! "Get out of town"!

If indeed they are one and the same or not they both have a deep seated hatred of me not my protest site and they need counseling and much prayer.

I have been shocked over the years how some people that I have never met in my life come up to me and say "I hate your guts"! It really baffles me when I have tried earnestly to get along with my public and be evenhanded. It is just off the wall what is going on here behind the scenes!

I really get the impression some "King Pins" are manipulating vulnerable, impressionable and manipulatable people with deliberate lies to stir the pot and maybe achieve destruction of both individuals so they can get a bigger piece of the "pie"!

At least there are notably more episodes of people walking or driving by my protest site saying "I LOVE YOU SCOTT HUBER"!

Selah!

Scott M. Huber
6:08 PM CDT
9-9-09

WHEREAS, nothing in this section regulates conduct outside of the Down town area; and

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This is a good reason why Margo Ely should submit her resignation. She obviously feels downtown is more important than the rest of Naperville. That the rest of town is chopped liver and Scott can do as he pleases as long as he evacuates the DOWNTOWN. If he wants he can park on school grounds for all she cares. Or in a mall outside of the DOWNTOWN.

I had a conversation with Scott and if he is forced to leave as expected while he sues the city, he will be moving 100 feet east where he is technically on North Central College property but on the border of downtown. Basically the other side of the garage where he is currently a HOMELESS STRIKER.

I can not believe this utter stupidity in the wording of the new ordinance.

I have to wonder if Margo has ulterior motives. It has been reported(not confirmed) that this hot dog guy has a relationship with her or her husband. His location in the late evenings is next to Scott. Maybe she wants Scott further away from Joey the Hot Dog Guy and that is all she wants.

I don't believe she is concerned about the overall situation in Naperville. She appears to only be concerned about the downtown and Joey the Hot Dog Guy.

Imagine Joey is only charged 1000 dollars a year to sell on the streets of Naperville. Last Fling vendors are charged 1750 bucks for 4 days. Pigfest Vendors 2500 bucks for 4 days. So a sweetheart deal was worked out for Joey the Hot Dog Guy. Why?

I hope the Naperville Sun looks into this nuttiness and craziness by our TOP ATTORNEY. I should not be the only Investigative Journalist in the City of Naperville. Wake up Sun! Wake up Herald!
Wake up Tribune!!!

Maybe Scott is not paying his fair share, but neither is Joey the Hot Dog Guy. He pays less than 3 dollars a day to operate. He sells ONE hot dog for 3 dollars. Think about that. What a great BREAK EVEN POINT he has....lol...

City Hall is corrupt and takes care of establishment friends and family. So ever obvious!!!!

And Joey the Hot Dog Guy occupies more than twice as much sidewalk space than Scott the Homeless Striker.... Go figure!

What happens when a store within this downtown area is selling something (say a book) and people (say kids, parents) camp out the night before so they can be there when the store opens in the am to buy the book.

Will the kids and parents get tickets?

bfife,

hearsay is BS. How many people and in what ways has Scott made be unsafe?

Hey original joe the ordinace looks in order to me and can and will be enforced when needed! Bravo to the Councilmen,Mayor and the City for passing the ordinance! They all have my votes in the future for re-election!

A lot of people that leave comments here stating the ordinance will violate Scott's rights you are so wrong! Any Town or Municipality can pass and enforce any ordinance that deems necessary according to home rule! New laws and ordinances are made every day throughout the world! A new law and ordinance has to start some where and violations are in enforced when needed to ensure the well being and safety of the citizens of Naperville!
Humm let me see the State passed a new hearsy law for Drew Peterson!!!! I don't hear anyone in the blogs complaining of this law!!

"WHEREAS, this ordinance is timely and appropriate because current laws and the City regulations are insufficient to address the aforementioned problems, and the restrictions contained herein are neither over broad nor vague and are narrowly tailored to serve a substantial government interest;"

THAT paragraph plus any email or communication that says this is to target Scott and that he is the 'problem' they wish to 'resolve' shows this to be purely vindictive and discriminatory in nature.

Any Council person who votes in favor of this is on my sh!t list forever and can count on me doing everything legally possible to ensure they do not get re-elected ever.

Folks,

This is the tentative ordinance that City Attorney Margo Ely handed me around 7:30 - 8:00 AM this morning 9-9-09. It has been re-typed and I do believe it to be a faithful copy.

Feel free to distribute this email as you desire! It may well be voted on at the City Council Meeting on September 15 unless revisions are made! The meeting

is at 7 PM and registration to speak is at 6:30 to 7 PM before the meeting 9-15-09 in the City Clerk's office on the main floor of City Hall. These are called N1 issues. Your 2 cents is appreciated even if by email to the city fathers.

See this for their phone numbers and email...

http://www.naperville.il.us/council..aspx

Here are the email addresses...just copy and paste them into your email address blank!...

kriegerd@naperville.il.us,mayor@naperville.il.us,boyajianj@naperville.il.us,brodheadj@naperville.il.us,fieselerr@naperville.il.us,furstenaur@naperville.il.us,hinterlongp@naperville.il.us,smail@dr.com,kraused@naperville.il.us,millerk@naperville.il.us,wehrlig@naperville.il.us,diald@naperville.il.us

PLEASE SPREAD THIS AROUND TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN IMMEDIATELY IN SUPPORT OF 1ST AMENDMENT CIVIL RIGHTS!

The more emails in my favor the better BEFORE September 15, 2009! I believe the City is ignoring basic rights to strike, protest and picket with reasonable amenities on the line like the Boeing strike...

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

Strikes, Protests and Pickets should be exempt from any City Ordinances such as the one below and others. A minority of affluent are trying to take the teeth out of the protest and its right to choose the best place to do it on public lands and ways and make it lest feasible to endure till a proper response from the City et al.

SEE MY SPEECH BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE COUNCIL’S REASONINGS 8-18-09 !...

The VIDEO of the Tuesday 8-18-09 meeting with me addressing the Naperville City Council is here...Make sure to move the video button to approximately the last three quarters inch of the slide at approximately 3.50 in your Windows Media Player when it pops up and watch the N1 issues!....

http://naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=72&r=21e6cbfbfe14dff38430a4ec893bd363&xp=y&intro=1&sn=naperville.granicus.com&sn=naperville.granicus.com

Just keep in mind that ultimately the real issue with the minority is to get rid of my right to be a citizen or Naperville. That they don’t want to have to deal with their dereliction of duty to protect their citizens especially based on freedom of religion and discrimination on perceived and actual socio-economic grounds!

Chief Dave Dial said I have broken no laws!

Mayor George Pradel said on behalf of the City Council on 8-18-09 that I am not Homeless!

The Bottom Line Folks is that a Government doesn't allow criminals to destroy one's life treasures, records, business and savings, AKA his estate and allow their own police officers to steal, plunder and invade the privacy of a resident who in good faith participated in this community and then tell him to beat it we don't want Homeless people here!

For more details see my Flickr site:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/7506162@#ob#16111;N08/2370191842

Thanks,

Scott M. Huber

11:44 AM CDT

9-9-09

ORDINANCE NO. 09-____

AN ORDINANCE AMENDING CHAPTER 2 (GENERAL OFFENSES)

OF TITLE 10 (POLICE REGULATIONS) TO PROHIBIT CAMPING,

SLEEPING OR LYING AND STORING PERSONAL PROPERTY ON

THE PUBLIC WAY IN THE DOWN TOWN AREA

WHEREAS, it is the intent of the City Council enacting this section to improve the quality of life, to maintain peace an d good order, to promote commerce and further expand the economic vitality of the City and to protect the safety of the general public by imposing reasonable and narrowly tailored restrictions on certain activities in certain areas; and

WHEREAS, the City's Downtown is a pedestrian friendly, vibrant, mixed use area including primarily retail and restaurant uses in which the pedestrian orientation is a signature characteristic; and

WHEREAS, the City relies on the success of its businesses and the businesses rely on the safe, pedestrian friendly nature of the downtown to thrive; and

WHEREAS, camping, sleeping and lying, and storing personal property, on the public way in the Downtown hampers the economic vitality of the area, impairing the City’s goals of attracting citizens, businesses and consumers to the Downtown and interferes with the ability to maintain a pedestrian friendly, vibrant commercial Downtown; and

WHEREAS, the City has a legitimate government interest in protecting its investment in the Downtown , as well as the investments and success of businesses in the Downtown; and

WHEREAS, the City has a legitimate government interest in encouraging and enhancing the expansion of the City’s economic base, increasing revenues and protecting the City’s local economy; and

WHEREAS, the quality of life of the general public and the economic vitality of the Downtown is significantly affected by persons camping, sleeping or lying on the public way in the Downtown as it damages otherwise positive and intended experiences; and

WHEREAS, the economic vitality of the City and its Downtown is significantly dependent on the support of citizens, businesses and consumers for the revitalization and continued liveliness of the area, which is a high priority for the City’s plans to preserve and expand the revenues and the existence of camping, sleeping and lying, and also storing personal property, on the public way in the Downtown damages and negatively impacts the economic success of this area; and

WHEREAS, nothing in this section regulates conduct outside of the Down town area; and

WHEREAS, this ordinance is timely and appropriate because current laws and the City regulations are insufficient to address the aforementioned problems, and the restrictions contained herein are neither over broad nor vague and are narrowly tailored to serve a substantial government interest;

BE IT ORDAINED BY THE MAYOR AND THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NAPERVILLE, DUPAGE AND WILL COUNTIES, ILLINOIS, in exercise of its home rule authority as follows;

SECTION 1: Subsection 2 (Loitering ) of Section 1 (Definitions of Chapter 2 ( General

Offenses) of Title 10 (Police Regulations) is hereby deleted in its entirety, and replaced with a

new Section 10-2-1-2, entitled , Camping, Sleeping or Lying Down, or Storing Personal Property

on Public Ways In the Downtown, shown as follows:

10-2-1-2: CAMPING OR SLEEPING, OR STORING PERSONAL PROPERTY ON PUBLIC WAYS IN THE DOWNTOWN.

1: DEFINITIONS:

DOWNTOWN AREA: For purposes of this Section, Downtown is hereby defined as that property, generally bound on the north by Benton Avenue, the east by Ellsworth Street, the south by Aurora Avenue and west by Eagle Street.

PUBLIC WAY Any public property available for public use.

CAMPING Sleeping or otherwise being in a temporary shelter outdoors.

2. Prohibited:

2.1 No person shall camp or sleep upon a public way, or upon a blanket, chair, stool, or within a temporary structure that functions as a shield to weather conditions or, any other object placed upon a public way within the Downtown.

2.2 No person shall store, accumulate, mass together and maintain personal property such as supplies, goods, clothing, personal effects upon public way within the Downtown.

3. Exceptions: The prohibition in Section 2 shall not apply to any person:

3.1 Sleeping or lying down on a public way due to a medical emergency;

3.2 Who as a result of a physical condition, utilizes a wheelchair, walker, or similar device to move about the public way;

3.3 Participating in or attending a parade, festival performance, rally, demonstration, meeting, or similar event conducted on the public way pursuant to a special event permit.

3.4 Camping is permitted on residential property with the permission and consent of the property owner.

4. No person shall be cited under this Section unless the person engages in conduct prohibited by this Section after having been notified by a law enforcement officer that the conduct violates this Section.

5. Any person who violates any provision of this Section shall be subject to a fine of $50.00 for a first or second offense within a 12-month period. Each day that a violation of this Section continues shall be considered a separate and distinct offense.

6. Any person who violates any provision of this Section, and who continues to violate any provision of this Section, may be subject to an injunction to enforce this Section.

7. Any person who accumulates, masses together and maintains personal property such as supplies, goods, clothing, personal effects upon a public way within the Downtown as prohibited in Section(2.2), shall be required to remove such personal property from the sidewalk within seven (7) days of notice to remove. The fact that an action or proceedings have been instituted and are pending shall not preclude the City’s ability to require removal of said personal property and to abate if the personal property is not removed as required herein. Notice to abate the storage of personal property on a public way or public property within the Downtown shall be given to the owner or person in control of the personal property by personal service or by certified mail. Upon the failure of the owner of the personal property to remove the personal property within seven (7) days from the date of service of the notice, the City shall lawfully remove the personal property. The personal property removed from the public way by the City pursuant to this Section, shall be disposed of if not claimed by the owner within thirty (30) days of its removal. Any costs associated with such abatement and storage may be charged to, and assessed to the property’s owner.

8. The provisions of this Section are declared to be separate and severable. The invalidity of any provision of this Section shall not affect the validity of the remainder of this Section.

SECTION 2: This Ordinance shall be in full force and effect thirty days from approval and in accordance with law.

PASSED this ____________day of __________________________________________, 2009.

AYES:

NAYS:

ABSENT:

APPROVED this _________day of _________________________________________, 2009

___________________________________

A. George Pradel

Mayor

ATTEST:

_________________________________________

Pam LaFeber

City Clerk

H:\DATA\LEGAL\ORDINANCES\9-15-2009 MEETING\Camping on Sidewalk Ordinance...docx

Scott M. Huber

9:57 AM CDT

9-9-09

Scott has to leave his shack unattended once and awhile for a period of time! So when he does the Police should pack up his stuff and Scott could pick it up at the P.D. and be told bye bye don't return or else!

Mr. Huber

Oh, I see. We cannot take YOUR assertions from YOUR pleadings at face value. We have to read between the lines. Remember once a court says you owe $1500 and you don't appeal the decision within 30 days, you owe $1500 and that's a fact. And, one does not get a federal complaint dismissed without leave to amend for purely procedural reasons. One gets a federal complaint dismissed without leave to appeal when one cannot state a federal claim based upon the facts including want of jurisdiction.

Now, tell us all where you had your repair equipment once you closed your storefronts? Where did you repair items for your customers? When a customer wanted to buy electronics from you, where did they go? When a customer wanted you to repair an item, where did they go?

By bfife on September 8, 2009 9:44 PM

By Just a regular guy from Napertucky @ glad to be here!!

It's no ones fault, but Scott that he's in this situation! We don't owe him anything! If you feel this way pay for his medical bills then! I sure will not!
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My concern is straight forward. I am not here to assign blame rather the lack of common compassion. Bfife I do agree that many feel the exact same way you do and I am pointing out the profound sadness in that fact.

Deep down Mr. Huber knows his limitations and in his own way is screaming out for help asking for ridiculous terms and compensation.

This blog will be read by the council. If we were able to discover some facts the lawyers will find them all. With the facts come the reality that he will be removed from the street.

But now what? I agree we owe him nothing. He landed on our street and has been here for a while; do we owe him compassion? Should we make sure he is taken care of? Has I stated before, if he was on the sidewalk and obviously injured with a broken leg, help would surely arrive in minutes. His injuries are far worse, his capacity to help himself to basic necessities such as a place to live and money for food are beyond him accept for handouts.

I say pass the rules, and at the same time he needs help. Let's get him into a hospital and get him care. I am sure some social services will be engaged. Next; find a good place for him. Maybe after he receives medical attention, put him downtown 10-7 five days a week in a kiosk. He could be a good will ambassador for Naperville and hand out information. He has the knowledge of every business and knows directions a such.

This can be turned yet into another great story in Naperville if we look for a creative solutions in which everyone wins.

I enjoyed the debate, this will be my last post.

Godspeed Scott,

Omniscient Dan

Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 9, 2009 12:01 AM et al.

Just a quickie for now folks! Have you noticed this man's swing of personality toward me since I asked him to remove comments that violated "The Porcupine Quills" Terms of Use Contract? Have you noticed how now he puts an emphasize on me being mentally ill because I choose to enforce my Contract on someone who has been in bad faith? Have you noticed, those of you who already know the truth, how he has skewed the facts and actually misrepresented the facts as Dan and Anonymous on August 27 and others have been doing rather intensely.

These "guys" are clearly character assassins. They aren't looking for the truth they are looking to twist the truth to depose me from the community as less than second class. You know that their taxes are the motivator at least in part. They don't want to be responsible for Naperville's unlawful conduct and have to pay up fairly and squarely!

What does not make sense it that at first CIJ comes around and admits error with my Contract and corrects it, but not after a lot of static from him and the moderator, and then he jumps back into the muck and errs again and this time with no conscience, compliance with the law or apology!

Keep these points in mind! You can see what a farce and sham these "Omniscient Ones" are!

“Guys” there are people out there who have known me for most of my life that are laughing at your fraud! So you might as well stop defecating because it stinks to high heaven and you are seen through like a glass of crystal clear water! The more you talk the more you look like and prove yourselves to be fools! Save your time and energy for something useful to the community other than wasting their time on having to read phony character assassinations!

As I said guys I am having legal look at this whole picture now and professionally evaluate your conducts.

P.S.: I don’t need your comforter CIJ. If you had been so observant as you claim to be you would have noticed I have plenty of blankets, (from people giving from the heart unconditionally unlike yourself), when you stopped by last.

What you, (plural), need to do is get right with the Way the Truth and the Life, repent and turn from your wicked ways and get it on following Christ as St. Paul follows Christ, 1 Corinthians 11:1, preach the Gospel he preaches or else you are accursed, Galatians 1 and stop hurting people or pay the price, Matthew 18:1-17 Oh “Great Omniscient Ones”!

Scott M. Huber
2:14 AM CDT
9-9-09

"Mr. Huber

You forget that there is a whole stream of public documents out there."

I have not forgotten there is a stream of public documents out there! I made a public record because of the bizarre circumstances I was going through that did not make sense! It was clear that too many things were happening to one person than could be considered coincidence or normal. It served to protect me and put the circumstance under scrutiny at the very least.

It is the twist on the record that you give that I take issue.

"There are the pleadings in your eviction case as well as the judgment finding that you were delinquent $1500 in rent."

Just because a "landlord" files a claim does not make it truth. As I have pointed out elsewhere there is an issue of good faith and unclean hands on the part of the "landlord"! You also forget that the Clerk has a habit of doing paper work reduction acts behind my back without proper notice i.e. notice that properly informs of a pending action not perfunctory notice that does not meet the spirit of the law. You also fail in your interpretations because you have not obtained transcripts so that the actual conducts of the court are noted. Mere postings of claims and judgements don't tell what really happened in that court room.

"There are the allegations that you made in your federal case against Judge Moy and your landlord."

So why don't you read between the lines Oh "Omniscient One"! Just because the court may say something does not make it fact! Also things get filed in cases by the court that aren't always representative of the facts.

"There are even the pleadings in your case against Bolingbrook that also got summarily axed by a federal district judge."

The case got dismissed because of technical procedural deficiencies not because the there were not legitimate issues before the court. Available time, money and outside interference can make procedure a major hurdle before any issues of fact can even be considered.

"You ramble a lot in all of these public documents. The admissions are telling"

See there you go again "rambling","telling" innuendo with superlatives as frosting. The facts put the defendants under scrutiny and that is what counts when a person is under duress. Just because you aren’t interested in certain facts does not make them “rambling” Just because you put subjective emphasis innuendo on certain facts does not make them “telling”!

You try to manipulate my accountings in innuendo so they look defective or revealing of suggestive error and the fact is it would not have been filed if the defendants had not erred! It is telling of defendant and background wrong doing that gives context. With people like you words like "rambling" and "telling are clearly evidence of your bias to the facts and subjective negativism.

"Further, you state that the City put your store out of business."

I never stated the City put my store out of business! I had a store in Lemont and Lemont did not put me out of business! Certain attorneys and politicos may have tried there but they did not succeed! Additionally my store front closed long before ever coming to Naperville! Don’t mix the two!

“In fact, your storefront failed.”

See there you go again with your subjective negatively biased and twisted innuendo! Cessation does not prove failure. Good business is always looking for better ways of making the bottom line more profitable. Priorities put things in perspective.

“You fail to also mention that your home occupation failed to meet the requirements of the Naperville Zoning Code, although the city did not seek to have your business declared an illegal zoning use.”

Again you twist the facts and manufacture them. You show me the code that proves what you said. You show the paperwork that states the city was considering code violations and did not seek to have my business location declared illegal or a zoning violation Oh “Omniscient One”!

There were no zoning violations as I was not operating my business at my home with traffic. It was only a private home office used for coordinating service calls and other administrative duties that is not a code violation.

Additionally, I was never notified of any violations or potential violations which would be procedure if there were any. Even if someone in the City was implying such or trying to make a case does not prove a violation. Naperville in my experience loves to make issues where there are no issues for their political “Club“ control group reasons. So you have the inside from City now do you? State your sources Oh “Omniscient One”!

Like I said before, back to “Omniscient School” for you!

Scott M. Huber
1:10 AM CDT
9-9-09

I think we should support Scott Huber as a mentally ill person. He is a parnoid schziophrenic as diagnoed by Dan, a few others and I. I will continue supporting him with cash contributions and a comforter.

No mentally ill person knows he is ill. So in fairness to Mr. Huber he is not lying when he says he is healthy, he truly believes it. Just like he believes he had 2 million in that storage shed when he probably had 20,000 at most. Just like he believed they screwed him, when he screwed them for 1500 dollars by not paying a measley amount of rent for 15 months. Who in his right mind would not find a way to come up with 100 dollars a month to save 2,000,000? Think about that. Only a mentally ill person would not find a way to come up with a 100 bucks to save 2 million dollars. Seriously!

I have studied his legal situation very thoroughly and he does not have a legal case. His business was in Lemont, not Naperville, and the latter city even let him operate out of his home while looking the other way.

He has no legal argument against the Jackson Storage Warehouse. He was forcing them to be charitable towards him. You can not force charity. The courts will never support him.

Anyone can see his delusion from the fact that he thinks he has gates and fences around what he writes. He even attacked his former number supporter that being ME.

Everyone wants to be the Napergate Man. But what everyone fails to understand is if you are going to take City Hall down as he did, you have to document a real case of a real crime that the City committed or perpetuated. It appears the City committed no crime against Mr. Huber while allowing him to live on the sidewalk illegally as he is protesting justice which he received fairly from the "sometimes or often" corrupt Dupage Judicial System. It seems like they even gave him the benefit of the doubt when they realized he was mentally handicapped.

People like Furstenau and Huber make wild allegations that they can not support let alone prove in a court of law. Huber appears to distort in his mind the facts and than believes the distortions he fabricates while hallucinating. CM Bob I believe has him figured out to the tee. Furstenau may have not hit a cop but he should have let it go knowing he had no proof and a "he said, she said" case will get you nowhere.

In summary, this thread was awesome. It proved that the City did not wrong Mr. Huber. If I, the most anti-establishment person in Naperville, say that, you can be assured it is correct and true.

Let us move on to the next subject if Mr. Huber refuses psychological or psychiatric help. He deals with the elements better than anyone I know including Mt. Everest climbers so why are we so worried about him.

By Just a regular guy from Napertucky @ glad to be here!!

It's no ones fault, but Scott that he's in this situation! We don't owe him anything! If you feel this way pay for his medical bills then! I sure will not!

Today I had the pleasure of meeting Mr.Scott Huber. From all the hubbub I thought it was time to meet him front and center. He seemed rather knowledgeable and polite. His "striking quarters" appeared to be organized though out of character for our gleaming downtown district.

With over 400 entries here I am surprised that there are not more folks concerned about this rather "unique character" Naperville can call their very own. This gentleman is going on 60 years old and has already recognized the need for personal medical care. General medical care such as dentistry, physicals, blood testing, and general evaluations that "most take for granted" are out of grasp for this man.

Many that reside in our great city are truly blessed in so many ways. Is it too much to ask those with so much to help this gentleman in small ways. Must we cast a "critical eye" at how he conducted himself in the business world. Only to add to the "made up hysteria" by pushing him out of town.

Compassion without judgement is a lesson my mother always taught me. A lesson that can bring peace to this ever desperate world.

In conclusion Scott it was a pleasure meeting you today, I will make sure our paths cross again.

Mr. Huber

You forget that there is a whole stream of public documents out there. There are the pleadings in your eviction case as well as the judgment finding that you were delinquent $1500 in rent. There are the allegations that you made in your federal case against Judge Moy and your landlord. There are even the pleadings in your case against Bolingbrook that also got summarily axed by a federal district judge. You ramble a lot in all of these public documents. The admissions are telling.

Further, you state that the City put your store out of business. In fact, your storefront failed. You fail to also mention that your home occupation failed to meet the requirements of the Naperville Zoning Code, although the city did not seek to have your business declared an illegal zoning use.

Anonymous on August 27 on September 6, 2009 6:21 PM

>>“Of course Mr. Huber fails to mention that prior to his first introduction to the legal system in 1988 his store was already closed.”

What has my legal experience have to do with my store closing. Simply put I no longer needed the store! Big deal! The date you state for my first introduction again shows you don’t know what you are talking about. It also suggest that you are still illegally entering my restricted areas at “The Porcupine Quills” from which you are Banned! Just another notch in the chances you will be convicted of computer fraud!

>>“He had moved his equipment into the residential rental unit from where he was evicted for failure to pay $1500 worth of rent.

Again big deal! Most home offices move equipment into them when they serve a dual purpose! You forgot the word alleged in the total! You also assume that the rental unit owner was legitimate! Do your homework Oh “Great Omniscient One”!…but not in “The Porcupine Quills restricted areas….Capisci AKA Capisce???

>>“Then he lost his storage unit for failure to pay about a year's worth of rent.”

Again alleged!

>>“Then he lost his "cover" storage unit for neither he nor his "cover" paying rent there either.”

That is news to me. Looks like this guy is Rent-A-Space or is working for them as he seems to have access to “facts” that even I am not aware!

>>“He expected his landlords to continue to extend to him space without payment“

Oh “Great Omniscient One“ you don‘t know what you are talking about! You had better go back to school and learn how to be “Omniscient”!

>>“He says he wanted them to work out something with him. However, during the time he had nothing to offer them. He sought donations without success.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” you definitely have to go back to “Omniscience School”!
Your wrong again!

Selah!

Scott M. HuberScott M. Huber
4:25 PM CDT
9-8-09

Original Joe on September 6, 2009 3:14 PM

Joe take this to my email and we can go from there!

Scott M. Huber
4:02 PM CDT
9-8-09

Everyone knows that storage units in Naperville are controlled by the Establishment, answering only to the CIA. And the World Bank. And the Illumanati.
That's what's going on here.

Dan on September 3, 2009 8:49 AM
CIJ and Joe,

Folks this response from Dan is a classic example of the psychotic and Red Herring Hot Buttoned creations that manipulate the facts and conclude based on those manipulated facts.

>>I totally disagree with you. He should be removed from the street just as if someone were outwardly injured.

That is certainly a delusional psychotic selfish response of a person that just does not want to deal with reality.

“Joe writes "he has a right to protest". So we have to accept his delusion and let a man continue to suffer through squalor and inhumane conditions because he is unable to make those decisions? “

What gives this man the foundation to make such conclusionary statements? His psychotic mind set just does not want to deal with the issues of deprivation that my protest deals. There is no delusion with me. There are facts that are not being dealt with and in this case… foundationally that the law enforcement community has allowed criminal acts to be perpetrated against me from outside and inside the ranks of the police. There are clear evidences that the law enforcement community aided and abetted criminal efforts to make me disappear and not just as a businessman or citizen of Naperville.

There is no squalor or inhumane conditions, (or even sanitation issues others have attempted to assert), this is just another extrapolation that this man uses to inflame the issues of my presence using the old Red Herring and Hot Button technique. It is almost tantamount to a person yelling fire in a theater when there is no fire. This protest has subjected me to extremes that I would not normally have to endure but most mailmen, strikers, protesters, police officers, security people, our Armed Forces and the like have had to endure similar as it is necessary to their job so it is necessary to my strike.

“I know it offends our sense of free speech and our writes as individuals and so on.”

You can say that again. At least one thing we agree about!

My scenario should be given the same consideration and context as any strike protest would and thus the proposed city ordinance is un-American and violative of our American Free Spirit, First Amendment Rights to Free Speech, Peaceful Assembly, Strike Protests and well settled strike line accoutrements.

“In this case it is different, although Mr. Huber seems to function, at the end of the day he lives under a piece of plastic on the sidewalk for 6 years!!! “

Here is a good example of how my antagonists twist and exaggerate the truth. Mr. Huber does function and that is obvious. I function here just as if it were my office in my home that I had prior to all Hell breaking loose with the exception that circumstances are not as conducive to efficiency and productivity or ease of operation.

I don’t live under a piece of plastic anymore than the Boeing union strike lived under the tent roof that they had on their strike line…it is there to provide protection from the elements just like a coat on ones back or and enclosed bus stop.

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

You like to make that fact that I strike 24/7 into living quarters. Maybe it affords me protection similar to living quarters but by far less effective. I pull my shift 24/7 not live there. Just like when I pulled 48 hour shifts when I worked for the security company when it demanded. Did I live in the guard shack? No! I worked in the guard shack! That was my job assignment. This strike post is my job assignment and just because it saves me money and makes my strike durable now I am living there in your mind set! Your intent is to get rid of a visible strike and its issues of protest and encourage it to dry up and wither so you can sweep it under the rug.

I don’t live under a piece of plastic at the end of the day. I sit there 24/7 to protect me from the weather and sun extremes just like a guard in a guard shack. I have the tarp there to improve the aesthetics over what I had prior which was less aesthetically pleasing allowing water damage to my equipment and making my equipment more vulnerable to theft.

Some say I have expanded. I used to park my man powered vehicles at the bike racks in the parking garage but that was not acceptable either. The city and the public clearly discriminate because my VEHICLES don’t have sheet metal around them.

Vehicles are allowed on the strike line! What would the difference be if I had a car parked out on a strike line with a similar tarp over it to protect it while I was on strike and sat in my car with the door open? Strikers and protesters sit in their cars all the time on strike lines 24/7. Just because they have a crew and I am one should not change the rights to strike and protest like they do.

For the record Dan you got your facts wrong again. I have not been present with my tarp arrangement 6 years. The tarp was added last fall to block the weather. I have been sitting where I have since the concrete bench was moved allegedly to allow for the City directory sign. That sign has been there at least three years as I have it.

Prior to last Fall I used umbrellas for protection. Get your facts straight “Oh Great Omniscient One”! Look at the pictures in Flickr with their time stamps!

“Time to usher him to the next level!!!”

Yes it is time that the City own up to its dereliction of law enforcement protection and set me back up in business and a life style commensurate with Naperville’s “standards” so I can live a more normal, productive and longer life in the future as others who have come here have intended to.

It is time Naperville goes after the crooks that cheated me and press the law on them and make them pay up not only for their concupiscence with the Devil but also for the damages to my life and health and reputation that this kind of protest and life style has forced me into and taken its toll… Reparation for lost wages and income this last ten years as well.

“Joe in regards to your final sentence I couldn't more strongly disagree..Live and let live will be to Live and let die.”

Dan we all will live and die it is just a matter of time for each of us unless, of course, Christ comes to resurrect those of us who believe and trust in HIS Grace before that point of death. See 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18. It is not your right to accelerate someone’s life to death however! You do that when you don’t deal with the facts and hide in your psychosis!

Scott M. Huber
9:07 PM CDT
9-6-09

Of course Mr. Huber fails to mention that prior to his first introduction to the legal system in 1988 his store was already closed. He had moved his equipment into the residential rental unit from where he was evicted for failure to pay $1500 worth of rent. Then he lost his storage unit for failure to pay about a year's worth of rent. Then he lost his "cover" storage unit for neither he nor his "cover" paying rent there either. He expected his landlords to continue to extend to him space without payment. He says he wanted them to work out something with him. However, during the time he had nothing to offer them. He sought donations without success.

Scott,

"FREE ESTIMATES:

Free estimates are given via E-Mail or the Phone. They are approximations of the cost of the job based on our experience with similar problems as you have described. If upon arrival and initial hands on evaluation we find circumstances other than what you described to us we reserve the right to reestimate your project based on what we have ascertained. Please keep in mind that estimates are generally allowed a 15% overrun but we strive to make your investment cost effective!"

This is exactly what I was trying to find out; an approximation. I'm not looking for a number to hold you too, I'm just trying to find out, given the description of the problem, approximately how much and how long something like this would take. It's a Panasonic "Double Feature" machine (Combination VHS and DVD). Other than the problem I describe, works perfectly. Are these things something where the DVD drive can be swapped out with something compatible for a quick and easy repair?

What restaurants do you frequent? I don't like the idea of being downtown during the last fling stuff (crowds and traffic are not my thing) but something Tuesday or afterwards I'm open...

Original Joe on September 5, 2009 11:57 PM

Joe I will not accept your item here at my protest site however, we can arrange a mutual nearby meeting place like a restaurant that we agree to or elsewhere if we mutually agree to my terms.

My terms are found here…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/charges.html
Other explanations of my business are found here…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html#SITE SELECTIONS

This is a Mobile Lemont identified business with private “offices” in Naperville!

Obviously Joe I keep my computer electronics safe!

Scott M. Huber
1:47 PM CDT
9-6-09

By anonymous on September 5, 2009 9:04 AM

>>“The "Donnelly Demographic" statement written by Huber is interesting, kind of fits with the rest of his "victim" mentality.”

How much are “they” paying you guys to keep nit picking and nipping at “every” aspect of my presentation? It is obvious “guys”. It suggests that this is the same momentum that put me out here in the first place. Can’t you just let people alone and let them live too? These egos are so intense and intent on doing a psychiatric diagnosis because they refuse to deal with the facts that great wrongs were committed and ignored and it appears that they don’t want to admit their wrong doing or bungling! They would not stand for it if it happened to them I am sure!

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging that I am a victim and have been abused and ironically abused by those who are supposed to be protecting me from such things!

>>"I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context."

The purpose in mentioning the Donnelley scenario is to set the stage and context for what happened.

>>“I use Donnelly Yellow Pages for a business listing myself. I'm sure they have great info, they try to upsell my listing often. This doesn't mean a lot to me, I don't get many hits off of a yellow pages listing, but have it just because.”

In my experience having a Donnelly Yellow Pages listing was the difference between existence and being invisible. When my phones went down no one knew where to contact me even after I started getting my web site up with a number and email address.

>>“Anything Donnelly provides, including demographic info, is simply not effective without real pavement pounding and a business that is built and maintained carefully from the ground up.”

I really have to disagree with you with my almost twenty years of dealing with Donnelly Yellow Pages. You put your shingle out there and people see it and respond. That is why Donnelley could demand such a high premium for their ad space! Any pounding of the pavement in my business occurs after the phone rings so to make satisfied customers that gives good word of mouth advertising.

You suggest by implication that my business was not carefully built and you just don’t know what you are talking about if that is where you are going with this. Any business no matter how well it is built or carefully attended to can be taken down by sabotage. That is my circumstance. Carefully planned networked sabotage. Had I had a normal circumstance with proper law enforcement and judicial protections I would be living a reasonably normal life style and my protest chapter need not have happened along with the loss of my life’s work and possessions.

>>Donnelly's info could tell me that Naperville is a great place for a business, but if the business itself becomes out of date and invalid, we cannot point fingers at Donnelly. “

No one is pointing fingers at Donnelly. My business was not out of date but was politically and criminally destroyed. The very fact that there are still numerous electronics service firms in existence attest to the fact of my business’s survival had it not been networked against. My business was designed to anticipate technology changes and service pattern changes and was doing quite well except for the unlawful interference.

>>“If the business is run by someone that has difficulty getting along in the world and this ultimately effects the business, who do we find fault with?”

Again you imply and this time that I had trouble getting along in the world. Not so. What I did have trouble with was a certain segment of dishonest law enforcement, judges, attorneys and their political henchpersons who had a designated agenda for me irrespective of how honorable, accomplished, productive , in good faith and good spirited I was. In analysis we find fault with the ones that were using the “Kerrigan Sticks” to prevent the winning performance! See…

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=ie7&q=nancy+kerrigan+attack&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&rlz=1I7ACAW

>>“If the business owner cannot change to fit the times and create a larger client list, who is at fault?

Dishonest law enforcement, judges, attorneys and their political henchpersons who had a designated agenda for me irrespective of how honorable, accomplished, well planned, anticipatory or productive I was!

>>“My point is, this is another example of Huber pointing fingers at everyone but himself for the direction his life has taken.”

Oh “Great Omniscient” One…Your point is as dull as the rear end of a jackal. It is clearly a case of Huber pointing to the cause of the problem not its contrived symptom using his Christian and Security training and analytic business professionalism.

>>“He has broken the camel's back here and Naperville's patience with his story has come to an end,”

Correctly stated it is the community trying to break the back of Huber and Huber’s patience with their chicanery is coming to an end!

“>>especially while so many within our community are working so hard right now to overcome events in their own lives that may put them out of their jobs and homes.”

At least they had a chance at it that was an extremely lot more of the pie than I have been allowed. Maybe I should be counseling them in survival living since I have been there done that and continue in that mode because of and with your and others’ jackalayen approaches!

>>“No one wants to listen to a whiner that does nothing of value to help himself.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” you love to use your superlatives !!! Your subjective opinionations are the bane of this blog! Your attitude needs to change Oh “Great Omniscient One”! You obviously have not embraced the American Spirit that our fore fathers worked so hard to win for us in the area of Free Speech, Strikes and Protests!

The whole act of Free Speech is a vehicle to and of doing something valuable to help ones’ self! To reduce it to whiner is pathetic and shows your lack of respect for American ways that have been a part of time tested Americana for a long time.

>>“Huber is mentally ill? Yeah, probably. As I have read here, he refuses services that are available, so time to scoot him to his next episode.”

Oh “Great Omniscient One” Psychiatrist, you are out of touch with reality, a psychosis, because refusing help and services is not a sign of mental health issues. It is a sign of frugality and unselfishness not imposing on city services unneeded care that costs the tax payer dollars or unnecessarily inconveniences them. It is your mentality that causes health care costs to rise and services to be wasted.

You clearly have not been doing your homework because if you had you would have noted that I have stated that the services offered by the city were temporary stays at the police station and note that PADS was not necessary because I could more cost effectively and advantageously operate at my protest as I have. For a seasoned businessman on strike PADS would not have been efficient not to forget the harassment and conditioning programs they utilize and of which they have tried to burn me and burned me and I have witnesses!

It is clear you miss the whole point of my presence as a Striker Protester with valid issues that are clearly being ignored by your psychotic subjective negative and bigoted mind set.
Thank Love I have been able to utilize my free speech rights to at least put your mind set at bay and expose it for what it is.

You forget that the sources of information in this blog are slanted by those with an ulterior motive and negative mind set as you. They clearly have misstated the content and intent of my source material. It appears that these misstatements are not only deliberate but sloppy appraisals of what I have said and may well be due to a deep seated psychological inability to deal with the truth that does not fit their mind set mold.

If you read the source material you might just become enlightened and get it straight! However, you have to comply with the Terms of Use Contract or be prosecuted as they may well be! The very fact that you and others use an anonymous handle suggests that you are not in good faith with me or the readers!

Scott M. Huber
Owner, CEO and President
Thank You For Letting Us Be Of Service To You!....
A&A ELECTRONICS AND TELEVISION!!!
A Quality 34 Year Old Business In The United States Midwest Region!
12:36 PM CDT
9-6-09

Joe,
Before you consider giving your DVD play to Scott you need to assured his tent is water proof. I think the water flows right down the sidewalk underneath him and through the tent.

I suspect you might get you DVD player back waterlogged. If your DVD player takes 5 times to recognize a disc, it will take 10 times when you get it back.

When he had a shop, he did excellent repairs for a low to fair price. He was an honest and successful businessman. He fixed more than one VCR for us and one TV. They still are working perfectly. He is very talented. I believe he closed down because the price of VCRs and TVs dipped to the point of where it did not make sense to repair instead of replace. We started replacing instead of repairing and stopped going to his small old fashioned friendly shop. I suspect most Napervillians did the same.

On the day after Thanksgiving you can buy a TV, VCR or DVD player for less than anyone can repair them. This is what I think caused the downfall of Mr. Huber.

He should have retooled and converted his TV/VCR shop to a Computer Store as others did. He did not and that is why I feel he failed. He is very talented and could easily be successful running computer repair shop where people are willing to pay 25 bucks to 100 bucks for cleaning or removal of a virus as computers still cost $399 to $1999 to buy. Some people whose computers crash will pay hundreds of dollars to have their data retrieved and saved on another hard drive.

I wish a bank would loan him 25-50k to start this computer shop as the taxpayers are against my suggestion. Maybe the bank could handle the loss as a write off in the event Mr. Huber decided he wanted to continue as a HOMELESS STRIKER after receiving the loan.

I became convinced that Mr. Huber does not want to settle at any cost. I think he enjoys the recognition and attention he gets from being located where he is.

He told me if this resolution is passed to forbid him from being in the DOWNTOWN, he plans on moving up the block and camping out on North Central College property until he could challenge the constitutionality of the Naperivlle Ordinance specifically directed against him. Mr. Huber will not go down easily. He is determined to cost us legally and I suspect he will.

As a taxpayer I do not want another Napergate Style Legal Battle that may cost us $10 million more. In am hoping most taxpayers feel as I do and do not want new additional legal battles especially after the $1.5 million we wasted on Furtenau v. Naperville which just concluded in a dismissal.

Scott,

I'm not quite sure what the heck you think you're saying here. So, let me ask you this: If I drop off a DVD player (that needs to have a disc inserted approximately 5 times before it recognizes it) to you where you are situated on the sidewalk next to the parking garage, can I get a quote on getting it fixed and approximately how long will it take to get repaired and at what cost?

Thanks,

Anonymous on September 5, 2009 12:37 AM

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html

Scott M. Huber
4:43 PM CDT
9-5-09

Original Joe on September 4, 2009 10:18 PM

The address I gave at the council meeting was used because that is where people can find me. The addresses I use for my mailing addresses that have been used for my voter and elector privileges are private because there appears to be an element in the community to try to harass the people who support me.

The council knew what address I was giving them. It was no deception and if that did not satisfy them they could take issue and I would tell them what I tell you here.

It is obvious that I have been a lightning rod for special attentions because my antagonists operate by will not by fact and I want to divert as much electricity away from me and my supporters as I can!

Scott M. Huber
4:32 PM CDT
9-5-09

anonymous on September 4, 2009 8:14 PM

Good Greif! Another one of those "Omniscient" Psychologist / Psychiatrist types.

If you perceive me to be way too important because the public takes interest I think you are the one with a perception problem. It is really in your head and perhaps shows that you may have the problem with narcissism.

All I am doing is standing up for equal rights under the law and the life, liberty and pursuit of happiness that it is to guarantee. I’m just trying to be a good steward of my time under the strange circumstances that have put me here to recover my losses not to be distracted into other unimportant involvements and malicious allegations.

Because the media and public find me an object of interest is not my fault it is a fact of life.

Scott M. Huber
4:17 PM CDT
9-5-09

The "Donnelly Demographic" statement written by Huber is interesting, kind of fits with the rest of his "victim" mentality.

("I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context.")

I use Donnelly Yellow Pages for a business listing myself. I'm sure they have great info, they try to upsell my listing often. This doesn't mean a lot to me, I don't get many hits off of a yellow pages listing, but have it just because. Anything Donnelly provides, including demographic info, is simply not effective without real pavement pounding and a business that is built and maintained carefully from the ground up. Donnelly's info could tell me that Naperville is a great place for a business, but if the business itself becomes out of date and invalid, we cannot point fingers at Donnelly. If the business is run by someone that has difficulty getting along in the world and this ultimately effects the business, who do we find fault with? If the business owner cannot change to fit the times and create a larger client list, who is at fault?

My point is, this is another example of Huber pointing fingers at everyone but himself for the direction his life has taken. He has broken the camel's back here and Naperville's patience with his story has come to an end, especially while so many within our community are working so hard right now to overcome events in their own lives that may put them out of their jobs and homes. No one wants to listen to a whiner that does nothing of value to help himself.

Huber is mentally ill? Yeah, probably. As I have read here, he refuses services that are available, so time to scoot him to his next episode.

Mr Huber, you call yourself a business man - please explain what business you operate and where can we come to have you perform your services?

Scott,

When you speak at City Council you give your address as that of the parking garage that you don't own and for which you don't pay rent.

It sounds to me like you are ether lying at the meetings about your address or you are lying here implying you have something somewhere else.

Which is it?

I won't think anything more or less of you whether you have a home elsewhere or not. It just gets a bit tiring watching the shell game with respect to this subject.

The rest of your establishment horse crap I could care less about... that's your beef and hey, have fun with it.

Scott Huber? You give yourself WAY too much importance.

Narcissism is a disease.

Original Joe on September 2, 2009 1:35 AM

It is clear that the issues that are at hand are not whether I pay taxes or have physical property but whether I submit to the control group’s control so that they can manipulate me by my assets. Some cannot stand that I made it here on my own by their rules and Love’s enablement and have not sold out to tht control group.

It is apparent to me that many that live in this community are either naive or sold out to the control group. Many that critique me have come to Naperville for status, like trading in their Democratic party card for a Republican one when they moved from Chicago or Napervillians who trade their Republican party card for a Democratic one when they move to Chicago, and sacrifice their true ethics, morals and religious foundations and even Christianity for the status quo and the almighty dollar.

I came here to build a business in a Donnelley demographics rated excellent place to expand a business context. I was not homeless when I came here twenty years ago nor am I now even though those that are slow on the uptake haven‘t been able to make that distinction because I am not apart of their “club“.

Because I have maintained my autonomy I am focused on for every jot and tittle of their aberrant mind set.

An easy scapegoat for degrading someone that does not submit to the control group is to berate them ignoring standards of ethics, morals, Christian ethics or law much less reality to do it! In this case it is the label “homeless” and its associated “brothers” mental condition, hygiene et al. with all their implications. It is their pet peeve because I think they need someone or group to look down on to feel good. They forget that they have been blessed not to have to have been buried alive in the quagmire of bigotry basically due to socioeconomic circumstances. However I think some are headed that way faster than they think! They had better get right with Love!

It is clear that I as a businessman do not much different from the “Big Corporate” guys in that I seek options so to avoid unnecessary taxes. Because they do it it is alright but because this small businessman does it is not. What kind of ethic do they practice here? It appears to be a double standard, hypocrisy and discriminatory bias based especially on socio economic standards! Not all of us seek to keep up with the “Joneses” we have more important goals and it is not the one that says “the one who dies with the most ‘toys’ wins“!

I don’t have to take on the tax liabilities you do and own property to be a part of this community and to receive the same and equal protection of the law.

The information for which you seek is really none of your business. I am not seeking public office at this time and am not required to give out that information or prove that information.

Some of the information for which you seek is already available in this forum. Do your homework!

The bottom line is that the government says that I am NOT homeless and that is what counts on this one…“case closed King“!

Scott M. Huber
11:46 AM CDT
9-3-09

Kat on September 3, 2009 7:02 AM

The only thing I was concerned about is that you did not put together the warning in the second link that also was covering the first link because of its similar title! As you know the Contract for the Restricted areas cover those gotten via search engines et al..

As I stated prior, if you want to rewrite the comment with the first link substituted with the link as found in the Porcupine Quills that contains the same content, (minus the email header), that includes the warning at the top as found at the Angelfire site restricted links and then add the link containing the Contract as your first link that would be fine. That would provide three links instead of two with the one corrected.

The problem with the first link came when game players and Guard House Lawyers like CIJ and out right violators like Anonymous came along. CIJ conveniently looked at the first link without looking at the second link, (CIJ says), and thought he could relate anything he wanted ignoring the fact that the content was specifically forbidden for any additional updates or updates as they are all restricted.

Where CIJ went wrong was when he read the second link and saw the warning he did not apply it to the first link as the Contract requires. Even though the first link was not marked as the second link was he continued to allow his remarks to post with the illegal information . At this point he fell into disrepute and became a willful and wanton violator.

When he since has discussed restricted information from PQ on the blog forum which is public he again violated the Contract which restricts such communication along with Anonymous who made it public in that discussion when they should have done it in private email.

At this point they both willfully and wantonly violated the Contract. CIJ denies it but his communications are still there AFTER he deleted his original offenses and he plays me for a dummy like he did no wrong and refuses to delete the additional communications along with Annonymous not deleting his violations.

For the above reasons I put my “foot” down!

So Kat feel free to repost your original comment only with the revisions I have indicated above and you will not be a problem for me but will prevent shysters from playing games with so called innocence and manipulations of fact as has been happening since!

Sincerely.

Scott M. Huber
5:42 PM CDT
9-3-09

By Dan on September 4, 2009 1:50 PM
CIJ, you are correct. I am wrong for mocking him. I apologize for this

I always had a good gut feeling about you.

Justifying his existence as a security force, a museum display to educate our children or a pawn to make a case against an alleged dishonest government is not right either.

He is not a security force but his existence does provide security. He has got eyes and ears and calls 911 according to him. I do not consider him a museum but most people do believe he is homeless and poor while not STRIKING, so I am sure parents tell their kids study hard or you will be on the streets. My parents told me that many times.

Once I studied his case, I said he does not have a case. I said he would make the corrupt Dupage Couirt System smell rosy and lilacy. I asked the City of Naperville not to write an ordinance against him which will give him the case he wants. Period...

PS.No precedent is being set as only one in a billion on this earth will consider protesting 24/7 for ETERNITY.

Since you and I know from experiences, worrying about a paranoid schizophrnenic does no good, LET US STOP WORRYING ABOUT HIM.

Let us try to close this thread as it is getting us nowhere. WE HIT A WALL. Time to move on....don't you agree!

There you go again Scott, Quote.. "It is a warning from Christ that I think you should know about so that you can undo your wrongs when you find that your are experiencing problems and not know why! Matthew 18:1-17"

Just assuming the role of a "little one" doesn't deem you so. If you are able bodied and can be enterprising then you are wasting the gifts that God gave you and it is a SIN and an insult to Gods will for you.

You may very well be that "little one" by the fact you are disabled mentally or physically. In this case all should be done to protect and feed you.

You cannot have it both ways. SO I ASK YOU SCOTT, which is it?

Are you the "little one" with little control of your well being? Or a powerful smart man in this wonderful country?

If it is the latter, pick up a rake, or a multi-meter and provide for yourself. You are so lucky to live in this country, even luckier to live in a great county within the city limits of Naperville.

If not, the establishment will help you take care of yourself as a "little one". Maybe God should take your gifts away and give them to a poor soul in land with little opportunity where they can do some good.

I say this with not a Racist tone in my heart, you are a White Man, living in one of the richest places in the world overstuffed with opportunity, you have it EASY. So much opportunity young 20 somethings will press $20.00 dollars into your outstretched palm just because they think it's neat.

If you are truly well, you are the worst mockery to Gods plan. He puts you here and you dare spit in God's eye by shaming his gifts.

I hope for your sake you are mentally challenged. I really do.

The city should extend the planters into the area where he is holed up and settle the matter.

Leaving Scott Huber in place as a way to teach our children to work hard is like saying that heroin addicts teach our children not to do drugs

Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM ...You'll like this version better!...Check it out at #633...

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p26

Scott M. Huber
7:13 PM CDT
9-3-09

CIJ, you are correct. I am wrong for mocking him. I apologize for this

Justifying his existence as a security force, a museum display to educate our children or a pawn to make a case against an alleged dishonest government is not right either.

You enter a slippery slope when allowing this situation to stay status quo. You are setting a precedent to others to do the same thing. You have a personal experience in the understanding Scott is going to worsen over time. So at which point do we decide that it is not healthy for him or the community?

Dan,
While I agree with your diagnosis of Mr. Scott M. Huber, I don't agree with your mocking of him.

My feeling of Mr. Huber is the same a CM Bob. He beleives from the bottom of his heart what he says and in the truthfulness of his cause. I also believe based on my experience with another paranoid schizophrenic, that it is almost impossible to change him(them) with or without treatment.

They are normally not violent people. They do not look for trouble. They are just trying to defend themselves from a world they perceive wants nothing but harm for them. In the case of Mr. Huber he feels the world sent the CIA to spy on him....not just the FBI.

I think we should leave him alone. Leave him right where he is. He may live another 30 years and if he does, we just have to accept his HOMELESS STRIKE on that tiny piece of sidewalk. He really is not bothering anybody. He does not bother anyone on the sidewalks for money. He asks for money indirectly on the internet by saying he is living on "fumes" and occasionally issues calls for help.

He wants a confrontation. Why should we give him one?

Personally, if we all ignored him and he no longer received all the attention, he would pull to another town or possibly even a homeless shelther where he would receive a little more attention and possibly some love and care.

I believe the man has a good heart and is a good human being. He simply developed a mental disease that any of us can one day develop. None of us think we will ever develop Alzheimers. But statistics show if we get very old in age, over half of us will. How would we like it if people made fun of us or mocked us? If you have Alzheimers, you don't know you have it. If you are a paranoid schizophrenic you don't know you are. Look at how Mr. Huber has declared himself "quite mentally healthy." He truly believes that just as he believes everyone gave it to him up the wazooooo and then some. I gave him donations and tried to defend his situation and he told me to my face that he thinks I work for the CIA and may have something up my sleeve. I mean why would the CIA which is basically an agency that handles overseas intelligence have any interest in Mr. Huber. Why would they believe he would blow up the garage at 75 E. Chicago Ave...after all he not only protects the garage, cultivates the plants and flowers, but even calls 911 if the girls in the garage are in any kind of trouble. (BTW, this is a good reason to keep him here as he is better than any video camera recording that no one has time to watch.)

It is easy to let a paranoid schizophrenic get under your skin and begin engaging you. It is easy to get in a spit and spat with him.

I pretty much pulled out of this debate because I don't think it is going to get us anywhere.

I came here only initially to say let us not get involved in any further litigation especially since our legal department does not handle civil rights cases and I am in no mood of having Mr. Huber drag us into another Napergate Style 10 million dollar legal case. He has the ability to do that. He has the capability to do that. And passing an ordinace designed specifically against him will give him an EASY VICTORY IN COURT. This is exactly what he may be baiting us into during this very long HOMELESS STRIKE. He is smelling victory and we the citizens need to snatch it away from him by demanding the City Council not pass this ordinance.

If the City Council Members are bored with nothing better to do, they should consider passing A CONDEMNATION of DUPAGE COUNTY for allowing the armed robber who held up Extra Value Liquors released after 90 days. The timing could not be better as the second armed robber will most probably be receiving a similar deal on Sept. 14 by our less than competent prosecutors and Judges. The same ones that convicted the Hispanics to death row in the Nicarico Case over and over again despite the fact the civilian population and media had known they were innocent for several years. This Courthouse needs a CONDEMNATION immediately to wake them up. Naperville is the largest city in Dupage and needs to step up and do something about the corruption in Dupage Country that allows a criminal to rob a liquor store and steal a 4 digit amount of cash and only be fined 415 dollars for the crime and court costs. Yes, us residents can get a larger fine for accidentally going a few miles over in a contruction zone such as 75th St.

Why am I the only one in town who feels this way? Why am I am the only one in town who would like to see the Naperville Sun also blast Dupage Country for letting repeat and hardened heroin using convicted criminals off in 90 days and back on our streets where our kids could be exposed and killed by them. Just last week an armed thug killed a civilian in Aurora. Do we want to be like Aurora and have killings every week? Why is our City Council so wimpish and afraid to stand up to Dupage County and demand justice for those who harm Naperville Citizens and Businesses?

After reviewing Mr. Huber's case, I do not think he has a chance in a million of winning based on his historical unsubstantiated and unfounded gripes. Basically he wanted those who evicted him to be charitable towards him and there are no laws that support charity. The owner of Jackson Storage may have had 2 kids in college as I do and may have been on "fumes" himself. Maybe he was not in a position to help Mr. Huber as much as Mr. Huber would have liked.

While the Dupage System of Justice is corrupt, using Mr. Huber's case to expose this corruption will actually make the Dupage System smell like roses and lilacs.....maybe even like French Perfume.

As a society we need to support Mr. Huber's minimal needs of food, shelter, gas and money. He is unable or more like unwilling to support himself because of a mental disease he has. Therefore we need to care about him since he is unwilling to care for himself.

I believe at some point God will intervene and show him the right path. I hope He intervenes and cures Mr. Huber. Mr. Huber does go to MASS religiously and takes a train to go there while almost penniless. Maybe something will hit him during MASS. Maybe something will bring him to his senses. I want to believe God can fix a human's brain even though psychiatrists and psychologists in most cases can not.

In the meantime the City Council should not lower themeselves to the level of a mentally ill man and try to fight him on the sidewalk, on the streets or in the courts. Let him live and leave him alone as Orginal Joe has suggested.

We just have to accept that we don't have to be the Best Place to Live in America. We just have to accept maybe we don't deserve this title not just because of Mr. Huber but because of several others reasons I have been documenting on this blog site the last 3.5 years.

As some bloggers said earlier in this debate, Mr. Huber should be a symbol to our kids that not everything is all rosy and lilacy in Naperville. That if they don't work hard and keep their brains functing properly by staying healthy, they can also be on the streets as HOMELESS STRIKERS against the Establishment, against their Friends, against their Relatives, and even against their SUPPORTERS and DONORS.

Let us leave him alone. Please don't mock him, Dan. Let us see what happens. Sometimes these situations have very unusual ways of working themselves out. Only time will tell.

By Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM & ALL...

This is an addendum to a better version...those beans must have caused a misfire while NSP was inoperative yesterday afternoon! Look at the headlines on page 18 of the Naperville Sun this morning 9-4-09. "'Gas passing' leaves some fuming"! However don't believe a word they say...it was a "CIA" cover up for the real culprits that have huge holes in the backs of their britches!

Scott M. Huber
11:15 AM CDT
9-4-09

Scott, it was the same post. Then 10 more posts with the same link.
You have to promise us all you'll keep blogging even after you move.

You need to get some rest, should be a great weekend to look like a victim and collect some more handouts. 80 degrees, bright Sun. Put on that sad face and let's break some revenue records.

I will drop off some Bean-O for you.

Dan on September 3, 2009 3:08 PM ...You'll like this version better!...Check it out at #633...

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p26

Scott M. Huber
7:13 PM CDT
9-3-09

This is a better version...those beans must have caused a misfire while NSP was inoperative this afternoon!...

Well here we go again...

Won't take the time to go into the details at this time as I have MORE IMPORTANT things to do. At this time I will summarize this gobbley gook that has been evolving because I don't give the babies their bottle and let them violate the law and gentlemen's agreements et al. violating my and others' privacy.

It seems to me that there are a number of characters out there who act as though they are "OMNISCIENT" "LICENSED" PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS that have a BIG HOLE in the posterior or “South End “ of their britches! I surmise that it has come from their speaking out their butts because their mouths know better because their parents told them not to talk with their mouths full that has been aided an abetted by the beans they have been eating et al...the "facts" and conclusions you present are clearly manufactured and delusional mixed in with only enough "truth" and sloppy thinking and logic that makes your explosions look good but even so they still stink to high heaven!

Sweet dreams "guys" because I hope you have filtered air conditioning with all the EPA required afterburners on them and you... or else your going to kill off all your neighbors and dontpassgas.org is going to have a fit even if you step outside!

It looks like you "guys" are going to have to bankroll a regular replacement program for britches for the foreseeable future but then some may be having them supplied to them free of charge with room service at the Federal "Hilton"!

For now just get yourselves a loin cloth like Zim Bomba The Jungle Boy or Tarzan so you don‘t complicate matters and get arrested for indecent exposure!

I Remain quite mentally healthy,

Scott M. Huber
12:32 PM CDT
9-3-09

Reasserted...

Scott M. Huber
6:10 PM CDT
9-3-09

Scott, you missed your calling. You should have been starring on TV, not inside of them worried about circuitry.

You are too funny. God love ya.

Well here we go again...

Won't take the time to go into the details at this time as I have MORE IMPORTANT things to do at this time I will summarize this gobbley gook that has been evolving because I don't give the babies their bottle and let them violate the law and gentlemen's agreements et al. violating my and others' privacy.

It seems to me that there are a number of characters out there who act as though they are "OMNISCIENT" "LICENSED" PSYCHIATRISTS AND PSYCHOLOGISTS that have a big hole in the posterior or “South End “ of their britches! I surmise that it has come from their speaking out their butts because their mouths know better because their parents told them not to talk with their mouths full that has been aided an abetted by the beans they have been eating et al...the "facts" and conclusions you present are clearly manufactured and delusional mixed in with only enough "truth" that makes your explosions look good but even so they still stink to high heaven!

Sweet dreams "guys" because I hope you have filtered air conditioning with all the EPA required afterburners on them and you... or else your going to kill off all your neighbors and dontpassgas.org is going to have a fit even if you step outside!

It looks like you "guys" are going to have to bankroll a regular replacement program for britches for the foreseeable future but then some may be having them supplied to them free of charge with room service at the Federal "Hilton"!

I Remain quite mentally healthy,

Scott M. Huber
12:32 PM CDT
9-3-09

Dan,

He has a right to die. You don't have the right to force him to do something against his will. You're not his master or his King. He's made his choice. While I don't agree with it, I support that it's his choice even if it is not one I would ever choose for myself. *THAT* is fundamental foundation of America.

He obviously is able to make decisions because he chooses to be where he is, do what he does and participate on here and survive harsh winters out in the elements. How many have you survived outside night after night year after year? I would guess the number is 0.

CIJ and Joe,

I totally disagree with you. He should be removed from the street just as if someone were outwardly injured. Joe writes "he has a right to protest". So we have to accept his delusion and let a man continue to suffer through squalor and inhumane conditions because he is unable to make those decisions? I know it offends our sense of free speech and our writes as individuals and so on. In this case it is different, although Mr. Huber seems to function, at the end of the day he lives under a piece of plastic on the sidewalk for 6 years!!! Time to usher him to the next level!!!

Joe in regards to your final sentence I couldn't more strongly disagree..Live and let live will be to Live and let die.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 24, 2009 2:15 PM

Kat's silence is deafening and she or he knows that similarly the contract was circumvented and it specifically guards against such circumvention!

Scott,

I apologize for posting the url's to your site and upsetting you. In my defense it was not intended to cause you any harm or distress, I interpreted the user contract on your site differently than you intended. When I read "Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval." I did not interpret that posting the url's here, that were readily found by anyone searching google, fell into the category of giving or providing access to anyone not allowed, or relating the information to excluded parties, based on the list of those excluded parties posted on your site.

I myself came across those url's while searching google to find out what I could about your side of the story, as all too often I find on blogs over all, the respondent posts on one side or the other of a heated subject are based on popular opinion of the majority as opposed to actual factual researched information. After much reading, I presented those url's in order to provide those commenting on the situation with a route to your side of the story that would eliminate their need to search google for that information themselves, removing one obstacle (the time and effort it would take a respondent to search google themselves before commenting)that might lead to people just commenting based on the opinions of others.

With respect to, and in respect of, your user contract; I refrained from posting the information contained on your site, although I felt that it would provide some answers to the questions being raised here, still though feeling that your side of the story needed to be weighed against what was presented by the media or popular opinion, I posted those url's instead so your "voice" would also be "heard" in this.

My silence in responding to your request had nothing to do with that which you pointed out above. I had not responded because I have been ill and had not checked back to read the follow up posts until this morning, or even been near my computer, so was unaware of your request. Once I read it I went searching for my post intending to see what I could do to accommodate your request and found it was unnecessary as my post had already been removed. There was no ill intent what so ever in my lack of response to your request, and I am sorry that you interpreted it this way.

CIJ,

This is why I said what I said.. just let him be. He has a right to protest and he has confined himself to a very minimal public space from which to do so without really taking away anyone's enjoyment of the area or hampering their ability to maneuver past him. He's a fixture who will be there as long as he chooses to be. Live and let live.

I wish you good health Scott.

By Dan on September 2, 2009 6:25 PM
CIJ..what a post! This really highlights issue of unchecked mental troubles. We just don't understand the power of the human mind. The threats that are made are always part and parcel to protecting the delusion. Understand it's a reflex the same as blocking a punch or a slap. In all sincerity, Scott is so smart. He is a borderline case (in my opinion. If only there was a way to help him.

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Thank you for your kind comments. They make a lot of sense. I believe my friend at this point is really beyond hope. I do not think Mr. Huber has reached that state even though his one e-mail blasting everything good I said or did for him had me wondering.

I have tried to help my friend for many years after every member of his extended family gave up him. They advised me I am wasting my time. I bailed him out of jail 9 times for minor charges like trespassing/disorderly conduct and the family advised me I was making a mistake. Now I really understand I should have left him in jail where at least he could be controlled.

I worked out with him the last 2 days hoping to see a change or improvement. He was so bad I am going to avoid him tonight and go to my normal place at my normal time and work out with normal people.

Last night he tried to get me to sign a contract betting his car against mine that my phone was tapped. I refused to sign the contract as I did not want to disposses him of his car. He claims he recorded me which he did and even though there is no written contract, the bet is on because it is recorded and he is demanding my car. He says he is 1000% sure my phones are tapped and/or wired by the Feds and State Police.

I guess I agree with you that the threats are made to protect the delusion and possibly the hallucinations.

Finally, I think Scott is beyond borderline even though not quite as bad as my old friend. It is amazing how smart these paranoid schizophrenics think they are while the rest of us border on dumb and dumber.

As far as a solution, leave Scott right where he is. He is not bothering anyone. Only he is suffering. While we don't have a mountain, we at least have a mountain man who can survice Mt. Everest conditions. How he survives these winters is beyond me. I can turn my heat up to 90 degrees and I still want to move to Florida or the Bahamas one day. I wish him nothing but the best of luck and a return to normality and health.

I always knew what you were talking about Dan, but I wanted to give Mr. Huber every benefit of every doubt before I declared him a paranoid schizophrenic. I have no doubt about my diagnosis as I have 30 years of experience dealing with this devastating disease...much worse than any physical disease.

CIJ..what a post! This really highlights issue of unchecked mental troubles. We just don't understand the power of the human mind. The threats that are made are always part and parcel to protecting the delusion. Understand it's a reflex the same as blocking a punch or a slap. In all sincerity, Scott is so smart. He is a borderline case (in my opinion. If only there was a way to help him.

By Anonymous ONE on September 2, 2009 9:53 AM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 1, 2009 11:06 PM

As for the claim that Mr. Huber suffers from schizophrenia? I find this extremely personal in nature, CIJ, and some might even call it an attack! Something we are trying to avoid on this blog.

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I am not personally attacking Scott. I have given him donations in the past and one as recent as last week. I am washing a comforter for him that we don't need and will have someone else deliver to him. I feel for the man. I never really understood his plight. I even tried to defend him on this blog site. I was taking his side and giving him every benefit of every doubt. In return he attacked me relentlessly, unprovoked and personally calling me every name in the book. In person, he accused me of being a CIA agent because I gave him a donation of a US Currency Bill exceeding 10 dollars. I guess it made him suspicious, maybe paranoid, that someone would give him a decent size donation and expect nothing in return.

At this point, I simply agree with Dan that he has a mental illness of sorts and needs help. That is not a personal attack. I felt it was necessary to speak my mind in case he was in denial which apparently he is. It should be obvious from my almost prior unfettered support for him that I am not PERSONALLY ATTACKING HIM but CARING FOR HIS UNFORTUNATE PLIGHT.

I hope someone can find a way to help him. I do have a friend that I met almost 30 years ago that gradually became a paranoid shcizophenric. I worked out with him last night at a health club till 4am in the morning and he has progressed to a stage much worse than Mr. Huber. His state has gotten progressively worse each year. He claims his Mom robbed him of his inheritance even though she is still alive. He wants States Attorney Joe Birkett to jail his Mom immediately and he even called Attorney General Lisa Madigan to see what she can do about jailing Birkett. He is very upset that Birkett gave his Mom an Order of Protection against him. His whole family dumped him. He has been homeless on and off. He has lived in his car and once lived in Lifetime Fitness in Burr Ridge for several months before staff realized he was sleeping in a very inconspicuous spot after they closed at 1am as is required by Burr Ridge ordinance. Very sneaky and brilliant in some ways as Mr. Huber. Imagine he could shower there, work out there and watch TV in their lounges all day long for $59.95 per month. They even provide courtesy phones in which you can make local phones calls for free. The few times he did not make it "HOME" by 1am he slept in his beater.

Even though he owns a beater the only car he would consider purhasing is a 2010 Rolls Royce Phantom. He claims the government will buy it for him after he sues their rear ends off for being responsible for his plight.

He changed his cell phone number 3 months ago and refuses to give it to me. He calls me private after hitting *67. I asked him why he won't give me his phone number and he said because my phone is wire tapped by the Feds and State and he does not want them to use me to reach him. He claims his old cell was tapped but since he changed it, they have not successfully tapped it again.

Currently he is taking advantage of an illegal immigrant from Russia. She offered him residence in return for marriage that would give her citizenship after a brief romance that is now on ice. It has been a stalemate relationship for 3 years with his demands increasing by the day in return for his willingness to marry this Russian girl. I feel sorry for this girl as I suspect she is trapped in the relationship and probably close to developing Stockholm Syndrome. I am not going to tell the rest of the story as I would end up writing a book and I suspect bloggers are getting tired of my books. The girl is 29 years old and still thinks she can handle him. No one else has been so far. In my opinion she is way over her head and would be better off just going back to Russia than dealing with this person who is beginning to exhibit violence and animalistic tendencies. He is an extremely strong person so it is not easy for any group of people to involuntarily escort him to the nearest mental institution. One time his parents got him in one and a few days later he yelled FIRE and ran away in the chaos he deliberately caused.

But this nice gainfully employed Russian girl has given his family and friends a nice reprieve in the last 3 years as we were all supporting him financialy and otherwise. He also claims the system screwed him over and that is why he is penniless and can not get back on his feet. He wants to sue every government agency for 100 million or more but has yet to file his first lawsuit after 25 plus years of threatening. I also noticed Mr. Huber threatens everyone at every opportunity with a lawsuit including the Naperville Sun which he plans to own soon...lol... The similarity is frightening. Once I became better acquainted with Mr. Huber through this blog site, I finally realized what I was up against....A WALL!!!!

CIJ,

The parking garage is just like the overpass I mentioned. While he and his belongings are there, that is not his 'home'. He has no title to ownership of it and no signed lease for it and pays no rent. He has been 'living' there for the past 8 years but by legal definition, he is 'homeless' because he has no other place.

Scott if you want justice stop your dam bickering already and pack up your tent and get a proper place to live! If you want the justice that you are speaking of, go to the F.B.I. and tell them your side of your pathetic story so they can investigate!

Citizen Investigative Journalist on September 1, 2009 11:06 PM

I don't hide behind a low IQ. I bring my best to this forum and the Moderator has indicated I am obviously intelligent.

.....For you to continue to harp on this issue indicates to me you are a parnanoid schizophrenic who may even have hallucinations.

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Just in case Mr. Huber is not aware, the moderator did indicate (partially) that CIJ is intelligent. In fact the exact reference is listed below.

As for the claim that Mr. Huber suffers from schizophrenia? I find this extremely personal in nature, CIJ, and some might even call it an attack! Something we are trying to avoid on this blog.

Mr. Huber: Your plight has been interesting to follow. I do have a question regarding your level of expected privacy while protesting. If you were to leave your protest site (say to use the washroom), and someone entered your "camp" to look around (not steal), would they be breaking any laws? (It certainly wouldn't be trespassing as this is a public walkway).

Chris Magee, moderator on August 16, 2009 11:18 AM
Sigh. Since you insist on quoting things I said months ago out of context continually, you have forced me to explain myself again so no one gets the wrong idea. When I said you were intelligent, the phrase was something like, "you are obviously intelligent, so I don't know why you act this way and keep antagonizing other bloggers." It was not exactly a glowing endorsement. When I said people were acting like kindergartners, you were definitely included, though not the only person I was referring to. Hey, if you all have nothing better to do than call each other mental patients and Barbie dolls, knock yourselves out, but to me it seems like a waste of time and it's not making anyone look especially mature.

Scott you shrink wrapped CIJ's heart. Nice going. CIJ you should try living with someone like Scott, it takes the patience and understanding of a saint. You are a very good person I hope this doesn't effect your kind ways.

Mr.Scott Huber, after countless blog entries, TV and Radio interviews you have a choice of two conclusions.

1. Admit you are a fraud and much of your past dealings were hyped to get attention.
2. You have a condition that limits your participation in the normal fabric of society.

In my omniscient way I will choose the latter.

Big Days coming October 5th through the 11th.
Mental Illness Awareness Week
National Alliance on Mental Illness
info@nami.org
www.nami.org

Let's celebrate this week and get the help you need and turn this into yet another heartwarming Naperville story.

I hope everyone is now convinced the Naperville City Council can no longer ignore Mr. Huber. If he was outwardly injured and on the street we would not think twice. We cannot readily see his injuries so we have to act, and act quickly for the cruelness of winter approaches.

Original Joe,

When you speak at the City Council meeting you are required to give your name and addrees. Mr. Huber gave his address as 75 E. Chicago address which is the address of the garage behind him to the best of my knowledge.

The bottom line is Mr. Huber is a HOMELESS STRIKER agaianst the ESTABLISHMENT.

As you said in an earlier post he has a right to protest. Let him protest 24/7 until he drops dead. Why should we stop him? Just to beat Ft. Collins, Colorada for the Best Place to Live in America.

Let us face it, even if we found a way to legally move him, we still don't have a MOUNTAIN which according to Mayor Pradel is the real reason behind our second place status.

If Mayor Pradel is right that Mr. Huber is not HOMELESS he is also probably right that we came in second place because we did not have a MOUNTAIN and not because Mr. Huber's encampment is an EYESORE to the CNN/ MONY committee who ranks towns in the USA. So why are we so worried. Until we get the MOUNTAIN we have no chance to be #1, so let Mr. Huber stay as long as he wants.

When Michigan State came in second place in this years National Championship game I was upset as h@ll. I am over it now and realize second place is not that bad. We should get over Mr. Huber and also realize second place for Naperville ain't the end of the world and ain't really that bad. It is not like we are in last place because of Mr. Huber. Nothing wrong with being second best in the nation. Let us just hope and pray CNN/Mony don't catch on to the rampant heroin problem infecting and killing many of our teenagers. We would be lucky to make TOP 100 if they ever found out. Shssshhh.....

T.B. said: I could come up with a similar list of demands and protest until I die of old age with similar result to Huber--none.

I understand, and agree. I really thought that Huber would not come up with a list like this, but since he did, it's clear that it's a completely impossible list, on many different levels.
I now have a much better understanding of the issues the city has dealt with over the years, and see why they've decided that the time has come to actively find a way to do something about this situation. While it's a shame that it's taken them this long o do something about it, given the age and physical health issues of Huber, I'm syre that at least some part of what they're doing is looking out for his health as we head into another winter.
A terrible situation, and one that has gone on for too long, but the time has come, and something must be done.

Congratulations CIJ on joining the ranks of those not wishing to persecute Scott Huber, rather to hope that he receive the help he so CLEARLY needs to prevent the waste of what will probably a life cut short by his own doing.

It took you longer to come to the logical conclusion, probably because of your innate loathe for all things related to the administration of this city. Maybe if you did not carry a natural bias, you would have seen the obvious sooner, but I thank you for the work you attempted do on his behalf and for the information you provided on his cause. I am fairly certain that just as he chomped down on you, he has most likely bit the hand that fed him in the past(or at least attempted to help him).

We all know that God helps those who help themselves. The problem is, a mentally ill person can have a twisted way of thinking they are helping themselves. Now my question is, do you still think he has a right to occupy the space and would you support another 10-20 Scotts living on the sidewalks of the City? Do you think we should legislate against that possibility?

Scott,

If you are not a Homeless Person, where is your home AKA physical structure on a recognized lot of private property land registered at the county tax collector's office for which property taxes are paid each year?

Please, set the record straight on what the exact physical address is of your 'home' and the lot number so we can look up the tax information on it. The second half of which was due Sep 1, by the way.

You do have a spot that you have been squatting with belongings, yes... but so does someone who lives under an over-pass... they are still, by definition, a 'homeless person'.

How do you differ?

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 5:37 PM
Mr Huber said, in SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

Now that the media has smeared me and characterized me as a "HOMELESS PERSON" and Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the Naperville City Council has acknowledged that I am NOT a "Homeless Person" do you think I should sue the media for defamation???...

Maybe even make an offer that I will assume ownership of their institutions of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and let them off the hook in lieu of the court expenses and litigation etceteras et al. that could accrue?

Scott M. Huber
5:35 PM CDT
9-1-09
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I have read a lot of the comments on this blog and others by Mr. Huber and by others who have attempted to get to the bottom of his situation. I believe Mr Huber just likes to hear himself talk and is entertained by the audience he has received in Naperville. I believe the comment above speaks volumes. It appears he's just out for an easy ride.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 5:27 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 9:09 PM

CIJ, Now you are assuming your Guard House Lawyer mode I see. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM ADDRESSING..... YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLICES BETRAYED ME!

No one betrayed you. Your paranoia betrayed you.

Since you hide behind the act of having a low IQ on this issue it will not save you as "everybody" knows you are smarter than that!Since YOU don't seem to understand I will spell it out for you!...

I don't hide behind a low IQ. I bring my best to this forum and the Moderator has indicated I am obviously intelligent. And, yes I am smarter than that and thanks for acknowledging that.

You know.... that you agreed to my Contract at PQ. When you entered PQ's RESTRICTED LINKS you agreed to the Contract by participation. You know the terms of use and you disobeyed those terms flagrantly by posting data that is specifically prohibited from public forums or public release. The terms specifically state:.....

I entered your site once and read for a few hours. I went there through a link a fellow blogger provided. I did not see any restrictions anywhere. The possiblility exists that a "shrimp contract clause" existed somehwhere and I missed it. Why would I even look for one since I have never heard of such a RESTRICTION on the internet except possibly related to software you download. Just to appease you, I apologized and asked the Moderator to delete my relevant posts. I believe he did so also to appease you and stop your whining which was becoming deafening.

For you to continue to harp on this issue indicates to me you are a parnanoid schizophrenic who may even have hallucinations. Please control yourself voluntarily which I believe you are capable of doing and if you can not please seek medicial or psychiatric help immediately.

Why do you flaunt me and PQ? Why do you deliberately violate my umbrella of authority.

I don't flaunt you. I care about you and visited you on several occassions the last 8 years. I never flaunted your Porqupine Quills. I don't even wish to go there ever again and will not. Your umbrella of authority is a figment of your imagination. I tried to help you and you attacked me for trying to help you. For siding with you against the majority of the bloggers.

Your credibility went to zero when you pulled this stunt! When will you come clean. You expect people to believe your "investigative" journalism when you con, lie and cheat the very people YOU SAY you are helping?

I am a Citizen Investigative Journalist who seeks the truth. I started by siding with you and now my investigation leads me to believe you have mental health issues that has caused you to distort the truth and realities of your case, your cause and your hopeless situation. I attempted to pull no stunt. My credibility is not zero. It remains intact. Though I once supported you fully and refused to believe you were a paranoid schizophrenic psychic and mentally disturbed human being. I have finally come clean and agree with the majority in this case despite the fact I believe the judicial system is corrupt and possibly did not give you a fair shake. Maybe you should consider yourself lucky it did not give you a fair shake for the consequences could have been much worse. How could you say I conned, lied, and cheated the very people I SAY I am helping? When you said you are on "fumes" I sent you a substantial donation with a friend or delivered it personally to help you out. I am washing a comforter for you to keep you warm in the winter. Is this is what I get for being kind hearted as Dan said and trying to help you? I gave you the benefit of the doubt that most bloggers refused to give you and now you are trying to make a FOOL of me. You will not succeed.

You need to get an overhaul CIJ.

Who are you trying to kid about who needs an overhaul. You need a COMPLETE OVERHAUL from toe to head with a focus on the cerebral.

As I said before, you have made some good points but you are throwing that away now because of your dishonesty!

Where is my dishonesty? I presented your side based on what you wrote, told me in person and told my friend who I also sent to give you a donation. To accuse those who are on your side of DISHONESTY indicates you have a very serious mental condition as Dan has stated. I now believe that CM Bob will fail in any arbitration beween you and the City of Naperville. I apologize to the Napergate Man for ever putting his name near your name in any post and in any way trying to compare him to you or Fustenau.

Now I have made a very reasonable request! If you respect that request it will go a long way. If you don't respect that request and Contract you are NOT helping anyone but yourself as a thief!

I respected your request. It did not go a long way. I apologized to you. It did not go a long way. And now you imply I am a THIEF. Holy Toledo! Holy Mackeral!

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Anyway, you just lost your MAIN and ONLY fully devogted supporter. I was trying to help you by giving you money, support and coming to your defense. Now, I want you to hit rock bottom the next time you are on "fumes" and be taken in an ambulance to an instituion that can help you. I will ask the City of Naperville to please waive the $800 dollar amubulance fee as an act of generosity to an ill person who needs us all to rally behind him and help him get the proper treatment he needs.

My God Bless You and Help You, Mr. Scott M. Huber.

I tried to help you. One time in person you accused me of being in the CIA after I just gave you a donation to help you since you were on "fumes." I discounted it. I should not have.
I wish you nothing but the best of luck. I have no ill feelings or hatred towards you. I only want the best for you and see you return to a healthy state of mind, body and soul.

End of Story!

GJC, Dan, and Anon (08/27 @ 9:57 AM) –

You do realize that you can “discuss” this issue with Huber all day and he will never be happy, right?

I could come up with a similar list of demands and protest until I die of old age with similar result to Huber--none.

I’d like an uncorrupt State government, starting with the Governor and the legislature.
I’d like to see everyone treated fairly by businesses in Naperville and elsewhere.
I’d like a police state in which the cops are omnipotent and can stop all crime as it occurs. I don’t feel any need to follow any court decisions, they’re all corrupt and against me anyways.

T.B.

Dan on September 1, 2009 7:22 PM

You almost got it right... But one would call it the Dupe Age Shuffle!

It should read:

Court Transcripts:

Q. Do you solemnly AVER....(I don't swear...it is a Christian thing of protocol)

A. I do

Q. Please state your name:

A. Scott Huber AKA The Protester

Q. State your address:

A. Ah...well your honor I...Have a folder of several valid addresses which one would you like?

Judge. DISMISSED. Next Case

Scott M. Huber
9:35 PM CDT
9-1-09

Mr. Huber:

You said: "2) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate properly and in detail the conducts of Rent-A-Space of Fox Valley."

We don't have to do that any more because your own journal entries show they did nothing wrong. They were most fair with you and you tried to scam them. They let you take your stuff out of your rental unit and waived their lien. You repaid them by putting your stuff back in another of their rental units under the "cover" of another person. Neither you nor the other person paid the rental on that unit. You weren't entitled to notice because you weren't the "cover" person. Plus you knew that the rent hadn't been paid on that unit. It would appear that you had a falling out with your "cover" person who probably would no longer cooperate with you.

Move on. The storage unit treated you fairly and compassionately and all you do is trash them publically.

Scott great idea, you should sue the media for defamation.

Court Transcripts:

Q. Do you solemnly swear....

A. I do

Q. Please state your name:

A. Scott Huber AKA The Protester

Q. State your address:

A. Ah...well your honor I...

Judge. DISMISSED. Next Case

By GJC on September 1, 2009 4:26 PM

I will be brief and give you what I have given the public in general:

1) I want the Naperville Police / States Attorney / Feds to pursue proper and detailed investigations into the conduct of Herald King et al..

2) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate properly and in detail the conducts of Rent-A-Space of Fox Valley.

3) I want appropriate prosecutions and remunerations made for the violations of the laws.

4) I want the NPD / SA / Feds to investigate and prosecute the police officers who illegally confiscated my property while out on the Protest site et al.

5) I want the return of custody of any properties that NPD has taken and storage provided free of charge.

6) I want the City along with the criminals to restore me to the efficiencies that I had with my business .

7) I want the City and the criminals to restore to the status of a normal citizen life style in Naperville.

8) I want the City and criminals to compensate for the lost wages, intentional infliction of mental and emotional distress, fatigue et al. that has taken its toll on my efficiencies over the course of these ten years.

9) I want proper investigation by of Dupage County Corruption in the Court , States Attorney, Public Defender Office and Sheriff’s department et al. by a Special Prosecutor and the Feds.

10) I want the return of my property illegally sold / converted, disseminated or destroyed via dumpster etceteras.

11) To be announced! et al.

How is that for starters!

Scott M. Huber
6:43 PM CDT
9-1-09

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on September 1, 2009 3:07 PM

First Amendment rights to strike / protest do not require that I have an employer! The government has a contract with the people to equally protect them under the law...NOT to unlawfully discriminate with the law!

I strike against an establishment that is exceeding its lawful right to discriminate!

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If one does take time to read SMH's last post without a preconceived notion of prejudice, it really makes a lot of sense.

His protest is against the ESTABLISHMENT in all its forms for discriminating against him. Mostly, he is against the Judicial System of both Dupage County and the Federal Govt. which he alleges discriminate against him and did not give him a fair shake when he tried to vet his grievances there in a legal and lawful manner. He may have not had the best of cases....but they never gave him a fair shake based on what I can piece together. They discounted him and screwed him by not hearing him out. This is very common in our judcial system.

The bottom line is the MAN is RIGHT. Both Judicial Systems are corrupt and discriminate in favor of the connected and wealthy against those who are not connected and not wealthy.

I have tried to work the system without attorneys and got blown out of courtroom after courtroom. I have tried to work the system with UNconnected attorneys and got blown out of courtroom after courtroom.

However, when I hired connected establishment expensive attorneys especially in Dupage County, I somehow always won.....rather easily. They usually know the Judges and golf with them. They donate to the Judges at election time. They dine with the Judges and pick up the tab if no one is looking and it is NOT in Wheaton where they are known very well. They let the Judges use their vacation homes in Florida.

My connected attorneys told me so. My last CONNECTED attorney asked for changes of venue until he got his buddy judge. I think he was entitled to one and then when he did not get the Judge he wanted, he got continuances until the Judge assigned was ill and his Judge filled in. You could almost see the winks and nods taking place. My attorney told me he won before the Judge even made his/her ruling. I will never forget the smirk on my attorneys face. He had no GUILT.

So yes the system in Dupage is corrupt. I have been there over 25 times. If I pay up, I win. If I don't pay up I lose. Who is trying to kid who?

I learned the hard way as 25-30 years ago, I refused to pay up. Enjoyed representing myself. While not a lawyer, I took enough Business Law in graduate school to do what Mr. Huber has done and is doing. I never made it even to 1st BASE.

Then I tried UNconnected inexpensive attorneys from outside the county and they lost almost every case.

Then I tried CONNECTED EXPENSIVE ESTABLISHMENT attorneys from inside the county and they won almost every case.

Those are the facts my friends. Mr. Huber knows what he is talking about. He has experienced the system extensively as I have.

The only real problem with Mr. Huber is he is very paranoid and that takes away his credibility. After he asked me to stop visiting his Porcupine Quills, I did. But he still accues me of violating his "shrimp wrap" rules.

Some of the recent information I published was obtained directly from his mouth during a personal visit. He did not say I could not publish what he told me. He was a very nice, polite and a gentleman and I gave him a donation that was a certain US Currency Bill larger than $10 dollars. (Of course, I did not identify myself to him and many many people believe in him and give him donations)

I would suggest Mr. Huber stop attacking those who truly support him. I know he has paranoia as it is OBVIOUS, but he says it is a healthy paranoia just like a police officer. Most police officers can control their healthy paranoia and I expect Mr. Huber to also control his healthy paranoia in the future especially if he wishes to garner the support of the bloggers on this site.

Scott writes "lay on you this "point of order" and remind you, (plural), and the Naperville Sun that Matthew 18:1-17 is not there for Decoration...if you hurt any of HIS "LITTLE ONES" you put worse than a millstone around your neck thrown into the sea! YOU ARE HURTING THIS "LITTLE ONE"!Don't test it! Don't do that to yourselves! Comply!"

Who judged you to be the so called Little One? I thought you were the all powerful protester!

You can't stand the fact you can't control this blog can you?

You throw out your idol neutered threats. CIJ has a very good heart, yet as you have consistently through-out your life alienated yet another soul. When will you take a look inwardly? When is it Scott's problem and not all of ours?

I am pretty sure that will never occur.

SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT...

Now that the media has smeared me and characterized me as a "HOMELESS PERSON" and Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the Naperville City Council has acknowledged that I am NOT a "Homeless Person" do you think I should sue the media for defamation???...

Maybe even make an offer that I will assume ownership of their institutions of Truth, Justice, and the American Way and let them off the hook in lieu of the court expenses and litigation etceteras et al. that could accrue?

Scott M. Huber
5:35 PM CDT
9-1-09

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 9:09 PM
"Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM" AND
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on September 1, 2009 7:45 AM

CIJ, Now you are assuming your Guard House Lawyer mode I see. YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHO I AM ADDRESSING..... YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLICES BETRAYED ME!

Since you hide behind the act of having a low IQ on this issue it will not save you as "everybody" knows you are smarter than that!

Since YOU don't seem to understand I will spell it out for you!...

You know YOU AND "Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM" knows that you agreed to my Contract at PQ. When you entered PQ's RESTRICTED LINKS you agreed to the Contract by participation. You know the terms of use and you disobeyed those terms flagrantly by posting data that is specifically prohibited from public forums or public release. The terms specifically state:

"Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval."

Why do you flaunt me and PQ? Why do you deliberately violate my umbrella of authority.

Your credibility went to zero when you pulled this stunt! When will you come clean. You expect people to believe your "investigative" journalism when you con, lie and cheat the very people YOU SAY you are helping?

You need to get an overhaul CIJ.

As I said before, you have made some good points but you are throwing that away now because of your dishonesty!

You, (plural), can talk to each other in your email about my restricted information but NOT in the public forum.

Both of you, Please remove your comments posted in this public forum with the violative material, rewrite it without the violative material and include the link to the Contract above your listing of the link you posted.

In fact, you can just post my contract link and it will take the reader who agrees to the contract to the page you posted.

I underscore anyone can look and read the front page you posted but they have to comply with the Contract to read the RESTRICTED UPDATE LINKS!!!

Now I have made a very reasonable request! If you respect that request it will go a long way. If you don't respect that request and Contract you are NOT helping anyone but yourself as a thief!

I lay on you this "point of order" and remind you, (plural), and the Naperville Sun that Matthew 18:1-17 is not there for Decoration...if you hurt any of HIS "LITTLE ONES" you put worse than a millstone around your neck thrown into the sea! YOU ARE HURTING THIS "LITTLE ONE"!Don't test it! Don't do that to yourselves! Comply!

Capisci AKA Capisce???

Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”

5:12 PM CDT
9-1-09

Well folks, stand by as it looks like we have some more sloppy thinkers and evaluators of fact and Terms of Use Contract violators,(I will have to add to my list of potential Defendants in a computer data fraud case), that need to be taken down a few notches!

I'll be responding further so keep tuned in here periodically. I am fascinated by the "Omniscient" we have out on these forums!!!

Scott M. Huber
4:57 PM CDT
9-1-09

Scott Huber -
In every strike I have ever heard of, those striking were clear about what they wanted to end the strike.

WHAT IS IT YOU SEEK?

Southwest Naperville Taxpayer on August 31, 2009 9:45 PM

First Amendment rights to strike / protest do not require that I have an employer! The government has a contract with the people to equally protect them under the law...NOT to unlawfully discriminate with the law!

I strike against an establishment that is exceeding its lawful right to discriminate!

I am not a per se union either! Does that mean that I don't have the right to strike / protest with equal leverage and conveniences? No!

It is clear that my strike is against a city government that is steered by a minority of well set businesses and clientele that are clearly unlawfully discriminatory. They have in fact aided and abetted the gradual destruction of my business by criminals. I am a businessman here too but my rights and accomplishments don't count!

They and the media label me "homeless" because I choose to save some bucks and job stress and distraction by using shelters so I can focus on civil rights issues that are time critical and foundational for my future success! They conclude that because I relatively consistently work my picket / protest site 24/7 that I live there! Because I am the only protester they say I am living there but if there were at least one other and we alternated then it would be ok right? So they imply that it is unlawful to be one protester with a durable not permanent presence that leverages the establishment to listen and properly respond? You see here they discriminate based on perceived socioeconomic status and in fact discriminate on other unlawful grounds including freedom of Religion!

The food tent at the Boeing strike no doubt was there through the duration of the strike! Does that presence make it permanent? No! No pilons went down into the earth or concrete foundations poured etceteras et al.!

My presence the last almost eight years is because the government has been recalcitrant or psychotic in dealing with the criminal elements in the community that networked and completely cleaned me out of my life's work, savings, livelihood and was working subtlety edging in to deny me of my last vestiges of my Civil Rights to be an autonomous individual, politico, businessman and Christian.

The City view is extremely subjective and unbalanced in favor of a minority of the public that don't care about Civil Rights unless it fills their pockets and plumply feathers their beds where I have to go with zilch!

Something is wrong in this community and I think if Naperville lost to Lakewood, Colorado it is hopefully probably because Mony/CNN has high balanced standards that take into consideration more than aesthetics and saw the prejudice and chicanery manipulating the law in a selfish way that subordinated Naperville to Lakewood NOT because I have had a long term protest site that is subjectively considered an eye sore by short sighted bigotry that could care less about equal rights under the law unless it is their rights who ignore the beauty of Freedom of Speech being practiced in a VISIBLE way which is a precious freedom, a part of Americana and the American Dream which actually makes Naperville a very desirable place to live the American Life!

The protest has lasted as long as it has because the governors of this community refused to even come to visit me and get the lowdown from the "horse's mouth" because they felt it beneath their dignity to help what they labeled, until the council meeting on 8-18-09!, a homeless man! For the first time a week ago a councilman came to visit me to get the low down! You know who it was!

The irony is that criminal control groups intertwined in this "exemplary city" and its government networked to get me out of this city because I didn't "fall in line" especially in their "spiritual" definition of Christian, Character and Family! They ignored my accomplishments, presence and worth squatting on me conjuring up fallacious characterizations of my life style and some probably because they were ordered to and some probably because they were just plain jealous!

Here is where the real investigation should start...who ordered the Hit on my credibility and worth? Look at the information I have provided and note the intense convergence of interference and government that just was not following lawful policy in my particular circumstances.

Chief David Dial knows more than he is talking about and that needs to be investigated along with Joe Birkett's handling of equal protection under the law in my case and in the legal issues of which I have sought law enforcement's help or been attacked by!

When one works through the system, the courts and other agencies and gets blown off, basic rights denied, rules circumvented and one's normal functional life disintegrated what other way can one go than go to the people in a strike so to get cost effective outside political and law enforcement scrutiny?

I strike against the establishment that is guilty of a double standard which clearly does not follow the rules that I am held to and prevents me from living a normal and accomplishing life style that they take for granted!

In one sense the government is my employer that I work for to produce a positive GDP/GNP and my benefits much less income are being crippled or outright denied me preventing my normal acceptance and assimilation in and into the community!!!

Scott M. Huber
2:49 PM CDT
9-1-09

Just because a city might face a cost due to legal challenges doesn't mean they should not be undertaken. That's society and what makes it best. I think Naperville will be able to enact some laws that will make it illegal to camp on a public sidewalk. This is not a singular act against Scott Huber, but one of making sure there is clear legal precedent set to make sure people cannot squat on public property.

Here are some examples of the ACLU filing suits against other municipalities for the homeless.
http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/13454prs20030513.html.

http://www.aclu.org/rightsofthepoor/gen/37157prs20081013.html
In every case they seem to challenge the notice given and the personal property that may have been destroyed, but otherwise the laws are sound when there is alternative shelter available.

And please don't start with the protest bit, that argument has been smashed down by the facts. Mr. Huber was homeless the first night he moved away from the YMCA and still is homeless today. The facts are clear he is camping on a public way whether homeless, protesting or panhandling. If he would go home and night, and return to protest you might have some credibility.

JQP –

In your last post, you forgot to state that DF’s lawsuit was slowly getting dismissed piece by piece. He overreached because he was seeking the deep pockets of the city coffers he claims to protect.

What some people (I’m not counting you among them) fail to see is that you have to practice what you preach. Is there anyone among us who doesn’t teach their children to stand up for what’s right even if it costs you friends, fame, or fortune? I tell my kids they have to do what’s right no matter the cost, so how can I then justify paying off people like DF or Huber simply out of fear of a frivolous lawsuit? And if the city starts to pay off people like DF and Huber, aren’t we just setting ourselves up for future threats or extortion attempts?

Just wondering.

T.B.

By Scott M. Huber...Naperville, Illinois on August 31, 2009 9:05 PM
Moderator...
Would you please remove the offending comments as follows in the same context as Kat's....
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Mr. Huber

You have to understand what you've started so many years ago. You have accused a long standing Naperville institution of wrongfully taking your belongings. You have further accused the police of not protecting your rights concerning those belongings. The question is whether or not what you say is true. You invite the public to read your account of what happened in hopes that they will take up your cause. In fact, many people posting on this thread have taken up your cause. They say they like to root for the underdog. They say they believe you when you say your belongings were wrongfully taken. They ask why the company could not show you compassion when you were down on your luck.

The problem is that you own writings show that you are mistaken. The long standing Naperville institution offered to allow you to remove your belongings from their establishment and waive their lien. You did so but put your belongings back in another unit leased by someone else. You were not in privity of contract with the storage company on that unit. When the other party failed to pay the rent on the unit, your belongings were subject to the company's statutory lien. If you didn't get notice, it's because you weren't entitled to notice. It wasn't your unit. Further, from your own account of what happened, you knew that the other unit was also behind in the rent. You say that you put the belongings in another unit under the "cover" of another person. You were, in effect, trying to take advantage of the company by using a shill. Well, your subterfuge wound up working to your disadvantage.

Don't complain when someone uses your own contemporaneous account of what occurred to expose the folly of your accusations.

CIJ says: Worry about your city council who is conspiring to evict a legal and legitimate striker off the sidewalk while falsely claiming the new ordinance will not be directed against him specifically....lol. - among other things.

There are a number of problem attached to the things CIJ keeps repeating, but let's stick with this one, for the moment. It seems to me that the city is trying to come up with a proposal to resolve an ongoing situation, one that a goodly number of city residents seems to support.
---Conspiring to evict is a poor choice of words, there is no conspiracy, this is being talked about in public, and I think it's been pretty convincingly argued that you can't evict someone who has no legal residence.
---a legal and legitimate striker based on what information we have? I know that you've also read the PorkyPineQuills, as I have attempted to do. Your constant questions indicate that you don't know what Huber is striking against, either. It does seem to me that if you want to strike against some entity - or to use Huber's seemingly preferred phrase - occupy a protest site - I think it's important for people to understand what is being protested, or who the strike is directed against, and why? As for legal and legitimate, where do you get that combination of words? I don't understand who or what is being protested, and don't think that anyone else does, so how can it be legal OR legitimate?
--- - I didn't see where this was stated implicitly, though I suppose it's possible that the council may have said so. Early in this blog people did repeat the idea that a law or ordinance cannot be written about one person. That's patently false, of course, though in general terms it is better not to do so. If they chose, the council could write a new ordinance that is specifically targeted toward Huber, though I think that they will be smarter than that. How easy would it be to write an ordinance that would indicate that spending the night on a downtown street is unlawful? That's only one possible solution to the situation, and could easily be explained as covering potential future problems as well as resolving a long standing situation. Many, many other cities have such ordinances, you know.
The heart of you argument is nearly always that this will cost us a huge amount of money. It is surely possible that the city will do something that will cause a legal challenge, but that doesn't always mean that it will be an expensive one, nor does it mean that the city will lose.
How about exercising your right to let the council know what you're thinking, while waiting to make a final decision on the situation until you know what the Council intends to do, and how they intend to accomplish it? That's not so much to ask, is it? You're railing against an ordinance that we've not even seen yet and that hasn't been voted on.
CIJ, you have the right to say anything here that the moderator will approve, I don't deny it, and actually support it. But your arguments are often odd, and full of fear-mongering, as well as presenting things as facts when they're just not. See the above mentioned "legal and legitimate"

As for Huber, I still hope to hear what it is he is actually seeking from the city. It does seem to me that there is no possible resolution in this until that is known, though it is possible that he has shared this information with the council over the years, and does not wish to publicly share it. If that's the case, I'd hope he would say so.
If there is no clear cut list of 'demands', like every other strike/protest situation, then just perhaps it's not actually a strike/protest?

gjc

By CIJ Sept. 1, 12:42 AM

"When a city refuses to provide a certain cost, and I estimate that cost, I am not FABRICATING but ESTIMATING."

"Sooner or later if I repeat myself enough they will....especially if my estimate is a little on the high side which is something I lean towards doing deliberately. If I provide an estimate lower than the true cost, City Officials would not respond as it would not be to their benefit."

Incredibly, these 2 sentences are in the same post. I believe you have proven the point Southwest Naperville Taxpayer was asserting. You cannot have it both ways, either you stick to the known facts OR your allegations will not be believed.

There is a very large difference between "estimating" and guessing.

Estimation requires some logic and thought process.

For example:

Saying: "X number of people, working Y number of hours at $Z per hour for a total of $10,000,000", would yield an estimated figure.

On the other hand, saying (or typing) "I think $10,000,000 sounds right", is guessing.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 31, 2009 12:17 PM

I have requested the above participants in this blog to cease and desist from posting their comments that clearly violate the Terms of Use Contract that they are bound to when entering the restricted zones of my newspaper “The Porcupine Quills”.

I have asked the Moderator Chris Magee, CIJ and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM to remove the comments containing the offending releases of information.

So far none have complied thus having refused to remove the offending comments.

I ask the public to ignore the comments of Citizen Investigative Journalist and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM until they comply as they have willfully and wantonly offended me and my kind requests to remove offending comments that breach the contract of which they entered upon when they accessed restricted areas of my newspaper.

I thought I had struck an amicable and agreeable arrangement with the Moderator, CIJ and Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM to comply with and respect my PQ terms of use but apparently they are playing games.

People who play games with extremely serious issues do not deserve to be taken seriously and should be removed from the forum as they defeat the true spirit of the forum.

I have made copies of all their communications for evidence of their offenses.

I will be contacting legal council as soon as possible to put some “English” of my Terms of Use Contract” that has been violated.

Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”
1:54 AM CDT
9-1-09

By Southwest Naperville Taxpayer on August 31, 2009 9:45 PM

CIJ,
If you don't want the city to spend taxpayer money to defend against a bogus lawsuit, why encourage it?

Speaking of fabrication, where am I encouraging the City Council to pass a disriminatory ordinance against Huber that would bring on a potential Civil Rights Lawsuit. I am discouraging the City Council from making such a terrible move.

I trust CM Bob will make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance for City Council to vote on.

Apparently you don't watch the city council meetings but falsely accuse others of fabricating who simply report on what they see and hear at these Council Meetings. CM Bob was outvoted 8-1 in the last session. How can he make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance when he was against it fully? He was against this ordinace so why would he make sure staff write up this ordinace which he perceives as discriminatory and possibly conspiratorial due to the internal e-mail circulation which he blew his whistle on. Do you think he is Sadaam Hussein running a phony council that he controls...lol? Do you think he can hold Executive Session and execute the other 8 council members so he can have his way as Sadaam did repeatedly....lol again?

I have found your posts on this blog are filled with false information, pure fabrication, or mere conjecture repeated over and over.

If you find my posts filled with false information and pure fabrication, than be a man or woman and point out the falsehoods and fabrications rather than make unsubstantiated and unfounded allegations that have no merit or place on this blog site. You have just taken the first step down the slippery slope of personal attacks. Next you will attempt to personally attack me. This is how it starts. But the Moderator is watching this time so I doubt you will succeed. You remind me of a "lazy person" who is unwilling to do any research to rebutt what others say. Who in his right mind will believe you but another fabricated handle that you may invent to believe you? Don't underestimate the intelligence of REAL BLOGGERS.....they can see thru your antics, tactics, semantics and acrobatics as they are crystal clear.

Repetition doesn't make your assertions true. Just mixing a fact in here and there amonst misinformation or pure fiction, doesn't prove your points. It just discredits them.

Sorry buddy....there is no misinformation here. I quote facts from the Nicarico, Napergate and Fustenau court records. I will state an exact number such as $1,082,000 for outside legal fees provided by CM Bob for the DF Case and call it a FACT and provide an estimate for in-house expenses of $418,000 and call it an ESTIMATE. I think you need to review Webster's Dictionary for the difference between a FABRICATION and an ESTIMATE. The only person being discredited is you discrediting yourself.

I think part of the problem with you appears to that you are either unintelligent or uneducated.

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Moderator Magee,

I hope we don't slip down a slippery slope again. As you can see a blogger is accusing me of fabricating with no evidence to back him up so I hope you feel it is proper or justified to call him unintelligent or uneducated. Just as you, I can easily see where this will lead. I urge you not to publish such comments unless they can point out the fabrications and falsehoods they claim I am allegedly providing.

When a city refuses to provide a certain cost, and I estimate that cost, I am not FABRICATING but ESTIMATING. As soon as CM Bob provided the cost, I have stuck to his number as he is credible and has an impeccable historical reputation. My estimates are attempted "digs" at City Officials to provide REAL NUMBERS.

Sooner or later if I repeat myself enough they will....especially if my estimate is a little on the high side which is something I lean towards doing deliberately. If I provide an estimate lower than the true cost, City Officials would not respond as it would not be to their benefit.

Sadly, for all I know, I may have been providing a low estimate of $10 million for the 10 year Napergate Trials and the true cost is much higher and the City is thrilled with my LOW ESTIMATE! Thus they will remain silent....at least for now. Some day a disgruntled City Employee or Official will provide the true number that the taxpayers deserve to know...have a right to know!

"'Coleman, there are three - and only three - kinds of people in this world: Those who don't know they are damaged and blame others; people who realize they are damaged and blame others; and then there are people like you and me, who wear damage like comfortable pajamas. ...
Serge A. Storms...Nuclear Jellyfish

By GJC on August 31, 2009 7:35 PM
Ah, CIJ,

I don't need you to explain the PorkyPineQuills to me, nor do I need you to interpret Huber's writings, I don't need anyone to show me how this connects to Napergate, Furstenau, or anything like that. You've given us your opinion on what you think can and should be done, you truly don't need to restate it another 70 times.

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Listen Buddy,

The City Council is laying the foundation for Huber v. Naperville. They are feeling the pulse of the community. I am happy to not only restate 70 times but 700 times to prevent any further litigation that prevents a 3rd Civil Rights suit and larger real estate tax bills to homeowners. Do you not owe money tomorrow? How come you are not worried? Do you not live in Naperville or are you a tenant and the landlord pays the real estate tax bill and thus not feeling the pinch DIRECTLY?

Don't worry about me repeating myself. It is necessary. It is imperative until City Officals absorb MY RATIONAL MESSAGE!

Trust me I would much rather not have these city problems and be talking to Former WV Mom about my new 9 week old kitten. And of course you and people like you would complain about why I am discussing my kitten on an OPEN THREAD. You have to learn in life sometimes you can not have your cake and eat it. Live and let other live. Express yourself and let other express themselves. No one is forcing you to read any of my posts. Be my guest and skip over them if you think they are repititious and boring. I don't think they are and that every post has something new in it that relates to the past somehow. We learn by building on the past and not ignoring the past. How do you think Wilbur's tiny place became a Boeing 747 in 60 years...by ignoring past achievements and accomplishments in technology?!?!?

Worry about your city council who is conspiring to evict a legal and legitimate striker off the sidewalk while falsely claiming the new ordinance will not be directed against him specifically....lol...

Do you understand that we already have a WHISTLE BLOWER amongst the Council who is a City Council Member himself named Robert Fiesler who already indirectly reported that his colleagues are conspiring against Mr. Huber? Why am I the only one in Naperville besides Mr. Huber that can smell a conspiracy before it comes to fruition and it is too late to stop? Before it is too costly???

We have a rather dense City Council that does not realize they put their foot in mouth as Mr. Huber has so succintly indicated with his famous phrase time and time again about some bloggers on this site.

If I need to remind the City Council that Napergate cost us $10,000,0000 and Furstenau cost us $1,500,000 to make them think twice(70 times if you will) against proceeding with Huber v Naperville, I will do that. The only reason I am not invoking the Nicarico Case even though it cost as much as both of these cases combined and a little more is that it occurred in unincorporated Naperville and was handled(bungled is a better word) by the Dupage Police and Prosecutors. The former Naperville Police Chief Jim Teal and the Napergate Man worked jointly to stop the railroading of the Hispanic Men but unfortunatley no one listened until it was almost too late....until the men were on death...until the men were almost executed. If they would have listened to the former PC and NGM, taxpayers would have saved tens of millions. But Dupage was stubborn just like the City of Naperville is now.

If you have a different way of getting through to the City Council please show us your way....present it to us on this blog site. If you have a different way of gettng through to Margo Ely and Co. please show us the light....lead us through the dark tunnel.

I am trying to remind City Officials and Attorneys of how costly the past has been in hopes they don't continue with their same antics, semantics and tacitcs in representing us. In hopes they will smell the Java Beans and wake up just in time. In hopes that my next real estate tax bill due on June 1, 2010 will still be AFFORDABLE.

I love Naperville. I am not going to let the Establishment destroy this town with their nonsense.

What is your agenda, GJC? Do you even have one?

Scott, I figured out why I like you! You have many similarities to one of my favorite fictional anti-hero's. Serge A. Storms.

I am thinking you now could have separate reading rooms in the new Porcupine Quill Blog Center. You could name one of the rooms Shrimp Wrap and the other Selah! Everything is taking shape. I know I will be vying for the honor of being the inaugural member with CIJ, but I am willing to try.

Mr. Huber,
You give the example of the Boeing strike in Washington state to equate to your protest living on the public sidewalk in Naperville, but you do not have an employer. You can't strike against an employer that never existed in the first place.

CIJ,
In one breath you say you want to save taxpayer money, yet you make up stories to try to justify a potential "multi-million dollar" lawsuit against the city on Huber's behalf, or you press for unjustified settlements on Huber's behalf. You repeatedly bring up the Furstenau case. Weren't you the one who continually encouraged Furstenau's "smoke" lawsuits based on the same Napergate similarities you now use to justify your fantasy Huber vs Naperville case? Didn't YOU learn something from that? If you don't want the city to spend taxpayer money to defend against a bogus lawsuit, why encourage it? I trust CM Bob will make sure staff writes up an appropriate ordinance for City Council to vote on.

I have found your posts on this blog are filled with false information, pure fabrication, or mere conjecture repeated over and over. Repetition doesn't make your assertions true. Just mixing a fact in here and there amonst misinformation or pure fiction, doesn't prove your points. It just discredits them.

Mr. Huber,

You did not address anyone specifically.

Are you addressing me or someone else or everyone?

Please be clear or it will be hard to respond to you.

CIJ

Moderator...
Would you please remove the offending comments as follows in the same context as Kat's....

Anonymous on August 31, 2009 6:10 PM
Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM

Scott M. Huber
Publisher and Editor in Chief
“The Porcupine Quills”
8:57 PM CDT
8-31-09

Are we at Deja Vu? I thought we had an agreement!!!!!!!!!

Please remove these comments. Back to square one. If you don't remove your comments that divulge restricted information to the general public then you are no longer permitted to access the restricted areas and use the search engine in this way.

You can share it between you but not in a public forum...

"Parties allowed in this site as noted in this agreement contract are not to give or provide access to or for anyone not allowed and any information gained is not to be related to the excluded parties above noted in any way shape or form without my personal written approval."

Shame on you people!

Friends don't betray friends!!!!

I assert a spiritual note... Matthew 18:1-17

Scott M. Huber

8:30 PM CDT
8-31-09

Scott thanks again for your detailed response. I have to admit even though I thoroughly disagree with you on almost approach and belief. I really like you.

Maybe you should just forgive everyone and jump back into a forward moving life. I say this with all sincerity. Go to a doctor, get a physical and then settle into a home.

Protest on certain days and start building another career. You also need to give Naperville credit, they have built awesome downtown area. Maybe open a storefront blog center & tea room. Literally have a soapbox where others can stand and rail against whatever, whomever. This could be reticent to the original news papers that started out as one sheet coffee shop recaps in the days of Ben Franklin. You could name it "Porcupine Quills"

In the mean time I will keep railing against the fact you think you should live on the street.

Ah, CIJ,
Not what I was talking about at all, of course, but a good recitation of nearly every theme you've developed in the last couple of months.
You'll note that the point I was making had nothing whatever to do with Napergate, Furstenau, taxes or anything else like that. The point that I was making, which you seem to have missed, is your regular desire for Huber to explain everything to you, somehow, so that you can package it neatly for those if us who can't read or understand it, and so that you can - somehow or other - take it to Zorn or the Tribune or... someone.
Isn't it possible for you to let this one go? Huber has written even more than you have, on the topic of his situation. I agree with you, none of us can really make head's or tails out of it, though you've managed to find a way to tie your own personal pet peeves to it, so that you can keep writing about them here, in another thread.
But please, for all our sakes, give it rest on at least one thread, would you?
I don't need you to explain the PorkyPineQuills to me, nor do I need you to interpret Huber's writings, I don't need anyone to show me how this connects to Napergate, Furstenau, or anything like that. You've given us your opinion on what you think can and should be done, you truly don't need to restate it another 70 times.
I do await Huber's suggestions about what can be done, by the city, the county or whomever, to make things right, so that he'd feel like he could resume life off his 'protest site'.
OK? OK.

MHB wrote:

We just got done with Furstenau v Naperville. The bottom line it costs us close to $1.5 million. All we needed is to apologize and investigate the cop and reprimand him if he was wrong. Later when no apology came, we were sued for $130,000 that we could have settled for 33 cents to 50 cents on the dollar.

There was an investigation, and that's why no apology was forthcoming. Instead, Mr. Furstenau was charged with a crime. Maybe he should not have been charged with crime, or maybe he should have been charged with a different crime. Maybe he should just have been arrested on the spot, with the charges later being dropped. Whatever. But though he was found not guilty in court, the judge also described his altercation with Officer Hull as "embarrassing and inappropriate." It is DF who should have apologized to Officer Hull, who was just doing his job.

By Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 31, 2009 3:56 PM

Is your understanding that he was offered to remove his stuff before the acution date, without makeing any payment at all? If this was the case, than Jackson showed a lot of mercy and compassion.

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"If I have a place to put the things in storage then I can come and clean out the unit completely in advance of the September 2nd date. Other than this option, without income, there is nothing that can be done to change the timetable." Huber, S.,(8-25-99) "THE EVICTION OR 'STORM TROOPERS & SS OR KGB'?" The Porcupine Quills, Retrieved August 31, 2009 from http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/urgent1.html

Dan on August 31, 2009 12:44 AM

Part A…General Response:

Yes, licking your wounds because you are not in good faith with the Truth!

“Son” you really think I am “wet behind the ears”! You apparently think I have never gone through NORMAL failures as you. The fact is the failures I have experienced especially since coming to Naperville a Donnelley demographics accolized community for business expansion have been clearly criminally motivated. To ignore the facts is to be psychotic. I deal with the reality I have experienced here. I fight cost effectively the interference I have experienced here through Protest at this time because the perpetrators have milked me out of my normal resources. The compassionate public have and are responding.

Everything you see at my Protest site is the result of Public donations and support. Not everybody thinks as you do. Psychotic players in this community object to my presence with preconceived notions of what this is all about so I try to crack through that psychosis to get through to a perhaps well meaning people that have been misled by a “Devil“!

At this point in time I have no other realistic way to achieve the effectiveness I have while out on this Protest site. When Unions strike the workers make a sacrifice in pay to do what they have to do and I am doing the same with the added incentive that I have attempted other routines and was not able to intercept the interference that put me out here in the first place.

That interception effort included going to Federal Court and presenting my case. Lack of stable funding preempted my efforts but at least I have been able to instigate Federal Investigation of my allegations and maybe FORMER Judge Kenneth Moys leaving office prematurely is an off shoot of my efforts.

Don’t accuse me of sitting in pity doing nothing sitting on a Protest site. The very fact that I am here and not sitting in a PADS day site being drugged by some psychiatrist as many PADS participants are using up scant TAX DOLLARS needlessly is testament that I am doing something Healthy about my circumstances because this is bigger than me or some alleged business failure. As President Lincoln did I take my case to the people because the System is not working and it has failed my inalienable rights miserably!

I have noted a mentality out here on the blogs that just don’t put it together and that was underscored by another respondent at Topix and I quote her…

“ kit Friday Aug 14
All you wannabee smartasses are demeaning the serious nature of this man,s struggle with your petty comments.
Start your own low I.Q. thread and reserve this site to serious discussion.”

http://www.topix.net/forum/chicago/TOHDD6EPPH8UMJA94/p25

You should be careful how you characterize my comments especially when you say “most of it babbles on incoherently” because that is untruthful and your only way out is to admit your psychotic behavior and get treatment. One pungent alternative for me would be to sue you for defamation!

Selah!

Part A…Direct Response:

>>“Scott, licking my wounds? You probably really believe this.”

Your psychosis is showing here! You just don’t put what I said to you prior together and resist its impact! Yes, you’re licking your wounds because you are not in good faith with the Truth! Your also showing some disrespect or additional psychosis because you know I am your senior and yet your address my by my first name!

>>“See this is the difference between you and me.”

Yes your psychosis is a difference between “you and me”. I am dealing with factual reality and as Edward M. Kennedy would advise, (and I am paraphrasing)…keep pushing no matter what the odds…saying that…in that pushing is the honor and quality of a person!

>>“I've owned various businesses for the past 15 years. Did I have setbacks? Sure I did. Did I think some things were unfair? Sure I did. I failed many times.”

I have been in business in various capacities for almost three times your experience and you have set yourself up to judge me and advise me…you open mouth and insert foot again and you have the audacity to do it!

All of us have failures in varying degrees but it is what we do about them that counts. You don’t just sit back and accept a failure and say such is life but rather investigate that failure or seeming failure and take action with the evidence as best you can!

My business has NOT failed however! It may be on the “back burner” because of sabotage but it has NOT failed! My “shingle” is still out on the web even though I cannot access it myself for updating because of a strange convergence of criminal interference, hackers, multi level security layers invoked and lack of reasonable and realistic help from Angelfire that is not normal!…

http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/indexHP.html

>>“One thing I did not do is conjure up an entity where I could lay the blame.”

I don’t conjure up an entity. I lay the blame where the blame belongs using the facts I have. I am not trying to be a “hero” and blow it off like it did not happen or take my lumps as a Despot decrees. I have only so much energy and life on this planet and I need to make the most of my opportunities and investments and lay the blame at the feet of the criminals. These efforts are not conjuring up anything!

It is a law of physics… for every action there is a reaction! The reaction in this case is to go after the causation, the perpetrating criminals no matter how high they go! If I don’t deal with the foundational issues of interference then I will be déjà vu on a treadmill going no where fast wasting my life’s energies for the rest of my life!

>>“So instead of getting up dusting yourself off, you through a pity party for yourself. “

You suggest I have not gotten up and dusted myself off! You couldn’t be further from the truth. Had I not gotten up and “dusted myself off” I would be in a mental institution drugged into incompetence as my perpetrators would like and tried at the Dupage County Jail back in November of 1998 and since!

If I had not stood up “dusting myself off” and fought back they would have had a field day devouring my humanity and its presence on this planet with fraudulent interpretations of fact that you similarly indulge in in this forum. I never would have succeeded to the publicity I have with the public and their support. Protesting is a form of getting back up and dusting myself off!

>>“I can tell how special you think you are, so it could never be your own fault, right Scott?”

I have a “little” more experience than you “Son” so that makes me a “little” better specialist than you. Your shot in support of narcissism is clearly not a valid issue and your Red Herring Hot Button suggestion that further supports your psychosis!

One gets the impression that you also have an inferiority complex that doesn’t respect someone senior to you and you can‘t stand that someone else might be on the right track and succeed! You can’t stand that can you! Instead you lead people to believe that it is their fault and causation! Nice con job Mr. “Omniscient“! It sounds to me like you are Red Herring it again to distract the public from the truth. My last comment session to you obviously has not sunk into your cranium or you are hiding something for which you don‘t want me and the public to get to the bottom and know about!

>>“Yes, I read most of your other rants and raves on the other sites. A few things worth reading, most of it babbles on incoherently.”

No rants and no raves intended just contextual responses to the stimuli out there. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

At least something is percolating into your consciousness and recognize some Truth!

Your “babbles on incoherently” is a clear evidence that you are a disrespectful person who clearly does not want to deal with the facts and wants to minimize important Truth!
Saying such kicks yourself in the butt making a fool of yourself!

>>“I see you actually used the statement "This is my ministry my ‘Son’" I could have predicted this would start to play out. You believe people will start to follow you because you have a gift.”

Now I know for sure you are jealous! Love expects us to use our talents or loose them. If you knew of a deal some business was giving on their product and got in on you would tell your friends about it. If you didn’t tell them I would say you would be a very selfish person trying to take all for yourself! It is a normal thing to share something that is good with others!

Again my past post has not sunk in with you when you say people will follow me. True Christians follow Christ as St. Paul follows Christ. 1 Corinthians chapter 1. They may appreciate that I related Truths to them but not to follow me but to join in following those Truths. My Gift is their Gift if they choose to accept it because I am not the giver Christ is! I am only an imparter of the Gift’s existence and availability just like a deal is advertised at and about at a store! If you don’t go to the store you cannot get the deal! If you don’t go to the giver you don’t get the Gift!

Specifically I am not sure what Gift you are talking about but be sure I want to put all my resources to work as humanly possible so I am effective in my circumstances.

>>“ also stated somehow I was jealous. That was funny. “

Nothing funny about it it is a factual observation. Your jealousy oozes out all over! Your hostility is typical of a jealous person!

>>“I state once again. My hope is Naperville finds the help you need.”

Naperville needs to find the “right stuff” to own up to its failure to evenhandedly protect its citizens from criminal vendettas and collusion with their own forces and contextually enforce the law!

>>“I am sure you are within your rights to be homeless and even to protest as you have called it.”

You know I am within my rights as Chief Dial has admitted I have broken no laws!
However, as I stated a number of times in this forum, Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the City Council admits that I AM NOT HOMELESS…

“Keep in mind I am a striker not a homeless person and that was underscored by Mayor George Pradel on behalf of the city council 8-18-09. Check out the video...

The VIDEO of the Tuesday 8-18-09 meeting with me addressing the Naperville City Council is here...Make sure to move the video button to approximately the last three quarters inch of the slide at approximately 3.50 in your Windows Media Player when it pops up and watch the N1 issues!…”

http://naperville.granicus.com/ASX.php?view_id=2&clip_id=72&r=21e6cbfbfe14dff38430a4ec893bd363&xp=y&intro=1&sn=naperville.granicus.com&sn=naperville.granicus.com

My protesting is obvious… but a selfish and self centered public and politicos only immerse themselves in their psychosis and pretend that I am an eye sore encampment stealing city property and using it permanently without paying taxes. Nothing could be further from the truth. I am no different than that Boeing strike in Washington state…

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20081010/NEWS01/710109818

and note the amenities they have on the public way with them!

>>“Now all of us have to pity you tonight because the temperature may dip down to the lowest temperature ever recorded in August.”

Nah! Tonight will be kids stuff! You forget I am almost an eight year veteran of outdoors survival dealing with chill factors at as much or more than negative fifty 24/7!!!

>>“I am sure that's evil Naperville controlling the weather.”

Who knows…Satan is the prince of the power of the air! If Naperville follows evil then maybe they are. Mayor George Pradel knows about the Witches in Naperville! England in the 1500’s prosecuted in the English court Danish Witches that admitted to sending sea serpents to rock and pull down a Crown ship in the English Channel! The account is on their books!

Selah!

Scott M. Huber

5:44 PM CDT
8-31-09

By GJC on August 31, 2009 2:43 PM
.................and awed at CIJ's belief that only he/she can write up an overview that will allow all this to come to an end, what would be necessary to bring this all to a conclusion after 8 long years?

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There is nothing to be awed about.

I am simply trying to avoid a Huber v. Naperville in which both parties end up being big losers. I believe CM Bob is trying to do the same thing. Yes, he is the only dissenter on the City Council of 9.

We just got done with Furstenau v Naperville. The bottom line it costs us close to $1.5 million. All we needed is to apologize and investigate the cop and reprimand him if he was wrong. Later when no apology came, we were sued for $130,000 that we could have settled for 33 cents to 50 cents on the dollar.

Instead of coming up with 40-60k, we wasted 1.5 million dollars of taxpayer money due to the aggregate egos of our City Council.

In the Napergate Case, the Napergate Man was simply looking for a second liquor license that would have brought us new tax revenue. Instead we decided wrongfully and unjustifiably that he did not deserve one and attempted to sting him while he was running a "sting operation." Does that makes any sense to anyone??? It ended up costing us 10 million in legal fees and it is undisputed we paid his 74,500 in legal fees by order of the 7th Court of Appeals, it is undisputed he got his second liquor license by order of the Illinois Apellate Court, and the only thing not known is what settlement took place behind closed doors for the injustice and injuries done to him. (What is so amazing in this case is that the Napergate Man had won the Kylix Award for the Most Responsible Drinking Campaign in the nation that was sponsorsed by the Newspaper Guild of America and the National Liquor Association in Las Vegas a year before his denial of a second liquor license.)

What was the City of Naperville thinking then? What are they thinking now?

Whistle Blower CM Bob already told the world that internal e-mails indicate they are going after Mr. Huber specifically. Bascially all the Council Members who claimed ulterior reasons for the ordinance lied after pledgeing their Allegiance to the US Flag, Government, and Nation. Thankfully, they did not raise their right hands before Mayor George "Charles" Pradel and swear to tell the truth and nothing but the truth. If they did, Mr. Huber could have had them all in prison for perjury. They are messing with the wrong guy. While he may not be in the league of the Napergate Man, his writings indicate he is intelligent and capable despite his admittedly massive paranoia. Honestly, I am more worried about our legal dept. fending for itself in this next potential legal battle than I am worried about penniless Mr. Huber who is living on "fumes."

Many on this blog site want anohter Fustenau or Napergate type battle or war. It seems like they enjoy drama and suspense. I am trying to make my real estate tax bills affordable. Speaking of real estate tax bills, they are DUE tomorrow. I will owe between 30-35k from memory for Sept 1 in addition to the like amount I paid for on June 1. And no, I do not live in a McMansion but own some rental property in town that helps with my kid's college tuition that would otherwise be UNAFFORDALE. I got 2 in and 2 more heading to the promised land of education one day hopefully.

If Huber v. Naperville goes to court, it will be costly no matter who wins. And I suspect Mr. Huber will win because he is a legitimate striker protesting 24/7 and not obstructing any sidewalks. The City of Naperville is obstructing sidewalks by allowing the Tangerine and Corner Bakery to occupy the sidewalks almost right up to the street. The City is bringing danger to our children by forcing them to walk at the extreme edge of the sidewalk and sometimes literally on the curb in order to make a few extra bucks from a Sidewalk License. I am all for sidewalk cafes but does the City of Naperville have to let them reach the curb, for Heaven's Sake.

How can the City of Naperville in its infinite wisdom claim that Mr. Huber is obstructing the sidewalk when he is 20 ft. from the curb. Unbelieveably ridiculous! How can they claim he is homeless when our Mayor who is our spokesperson and leader said he is NOT homeless. Our legal department is worthless. They can not even muzzle the City Council members during a short session.

I studied our legal department through the Napergate Ads. They did not learn a single thing. Usually when you lose and the payment comes out of taxpayers pockets and not theirs, you don't learn a single thing. This is the case with Margo Ely and Company.

If Margo Ely and Co. want to take on Scott M. Huber, they should do it pro bono for us taxpayers. We have another potential $11.5 million budget deficit facing us and a $61.4 million pension liability deficit that should increase this month when CM Bob hopefully provides the new numbers on this blog site. We have no money to give them or the outside legal firms they love hiring to do their work for them.

So it is time for Margo Ely and Co. to put up or shut up with their own money and time....not TAXPAYER MONEY.

End of Story!

No more Napergate, Furstenau or Huber v. Naperville. It is becoming like an old record that keeps spinning and squeaking. The song is over. The music ended. It is raining and the old lady stopped singing.

By Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM on August 31, 2009 12:17 PM
CIJ

Have you read Mr. Huber's account of what happened with the storage company? It's appears to be a somewhat contemporaneous journal of what was occuring in Aug and Sept. 1999. He was renting a space for $117 per month and was approx. $1500 behind. He was actively negotiating a settlement with Jackson, and, therefore, he knew that his stuff would be auctioned in Sept. 1999. There is no question of notice on his unit. Jackson offered him two options: (1) pay $1000 by a date in August and the remainder in double monthly payments or (2) remove his stuff before the auction date of 9/2/99. Therefore, Jackson offered to waive their lien and allow Mr. Huber to remove his stuff if he did so before the auction date.

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I have read some information and it is very confusing. That is why I have asked Mr. Huber who is very capable to summarize and attempt to clarify. He has refused and constantly sends me to Porqupine Quills. He has given some advice on SEARCHING thru his "search engine" so I will make another attempt. I just saw that moments again.

Is your understanding that he was offered to remove his stuff before the acution date, without makeing any payment at all? If this was the case, than Jackson showed a lot of mercy and compassion.

My understanding even though I am not clear is they wanted payment and then they would let him take his belongings before subjecting them to auction. They knew he did not have any money and therefore I wish they would have shown some forgiveness and mercy towards him instead of following the letter of the law which they apparently did. (I am not sure if they sent him a Cerftified Letter with a Return Signature Card required. I believe he says they did not. I believe they say we could not find him. Very confusing as their are 2 sides to every story.)

And I do understand a friend of his promised to help him with storing his stuff in an adjoining storage shed in the same facility and then literally screwed Mr. Huber after making him some promises that he would help him, making things exponentialy worse for both parties.

This situation is a mess and 10 years old. One thing INDISPUTABLE is the man fell on some very hard times.

I don't think it is wrong to try to help a man who is pennilees, homeless and family(less) back on his feet. If he is ill with paranoia as so many are claiming that is more reason to help him.

We help Pigfest to the tune of a 100k for police OT from taxapayer Seca Funds. They have plenty of money. Last time I checked they had over a million in cash and securities. Why have they not helped Mr. Huber instead of hoarding their money that was donated for the purpose of helping the poor and needy and abused?

If PigFest ain't going to help, we need to cut off this 100k contribution that comes from Seca tax funds and give half of it to Mr. Huber as a one time assist to get him back on his feet and back in business. Since the City of Naperville wants him off the sidewalk that he is legally on as a protestor, they can make a deal to get him off the sidewalk for 50k. Both sides win. Otherwise the city can not legally remove him. And if they try we are looking for a Napergate Style battle that will cost Mr. Huber very little but will cost our city millions as the legal department refuses to handle any Civil Rights cases....they just automatically farm them out to expensive law firms and claim they have no experience and expertise. Is it a crime to try to develop some experience and expertise and save the taxpayers a few hard earned dollars?

And if we arrive at a negotiated settlement through the arbitration skills of CM BOB, the City of Naperville increases its chance to win the title of the "Best Place to Live in the United States" and overcome the insurmountable handicap of not having a "MOUNTAIN" as can be found on the outskirts of that town in Colorado that beat us for the title in 2006 and 2008. (We were second and third respectivley those years from memory.) Not sure they have a chance for the award of "Best Place to Raise Children" after the Naperville Sun reveals the number of deaths of teenagers from heroin which is expected soon according to Moderator Magee.

What I can't figure out is relatively simple, and maybe someone could help me out with this one: What is it that Huber is holding out for?
Ignoring CIJ's lamentable offerings, I haven't found, anywhere, the list of demands or restitution that Huber feels he is entitled to, the list of things that need to be made right so that this 8 year odyssey can be successfully ended.
Huber? What would it take to satisfy you, what would be enough for you to end your self-proclaimed protest?

While I continue to be amused at the shrimp wrap commentary [really! shrimp wrap is hilarious, unintentional or no, isn't it?], and awed at CIJ's belief that only he/she can write up an overview that will allow all this to come to an end, what would be necessary to bring this all to a conclusion after 8 long years?

It indeed sounds as if the content Mr. Huber's "Shrimp Wrap" has gotten rather old and rank and should be disposed of.

Let's see...1500.00 divided by 117.00=12.8 months BEHIND in storage facility payments? Perhaps there are late charges included that would somewhat shorten the length on non-payment time. Could I continue using a rental space if I hadn't paid the rent in a YEAR? How narcissistic and self-important of me to think so. This would lead me to believe that Mr. Huber felt that he was being put upon by the business world, but the fact that he was acting the same way toward Jackson's business was not a problem? He then relies on another renter in default to store his "valuables" and cries fowl when his stuff gets sold out from that space in arrears? He didn't pay for storage space fees, his stuff is gone. What are we missing here? Eight year stand off, or eight year pity party? My goodness, get a job or accept services and live in the present, looking to the future rather than crying about a problem that should be long buried and gone. Think of the time wasted that could have been used to recover, rather than whine.

I do understand that Mr. Huber needs help. I don't agree with the type of "help" he thinks will clear up the problem. Handing this man a cash settlement will not bring back his business, will not make him whole and will not make a man that has decided to be sad be happy and successful. The years Mr. Huber has sat on his butt have been years that have created someone with whatever skills to be out of date and not worth much. He fixed electronics that no longer have a viable business model. Repairing VCRs does not make one capable of supporting computers, hardware or software. Business changes, we cannot sit for eight years and expect to still be worth much in a career.

Mr. Huber, in my opinion, has problems that caused him to lose his business and these problems have nothing at all to do with the business or business world itself. These problems are internal and created by himself. These problems keep him from seeing that help could be available and this help could change his current address, but hey, if he doesn't want it then things will be changed for him, eventually.

CIJ

Have you read Mr. Huber's account of what happened with the storage company? It's appears to be a somewhat contemporaneous journal of what was occuring in Aug and Sept. 1999. He was renting a space for $117 per month and was approx. $1500 behind. He was actively negotiating a settlement with Jackson, and, therefore, he knew that his stuff would be auctioned in Sept. 1999. There is no question of notice on his unit. Jackson offered him two options: (1) pay $1000 by a date in August and the remainder in double monthly payments or (2) remove his stuff before the auction date of 9/2/99. Therefore, Jackson offered to waive their lien and allow Mr. Huber to remove his stuff if he did so before the auction date.

The next part isn't real clear but it appears that Mr. Huber put his stuff in someone else's unit. There was a falling out with the other party who did not pay the rent. Jackson proceeded to collect on the second unit. If the second unit was not in Mr. Huber's name, then Mr. Huber would not have received notice on intent to enforce the lien on the second unit because it wasn't his unit.

Seems like Jackson was more than fair with Mr. Huber. They let him clear out his unit without charge. Mr. Huber's problem was that he put his lot in with someone else who didn't pay Jackson either.

PS to Mr. Huber. Please investigate the fair use doctrine before you complain about this post.

Citizen Investigative Journalist on August 30, 2009 5:40 PM
Original Joe on August 30, 2009 12:05 AM

Just a quickie…

I do believe I have laid out the facts in Flickr and “The Porcupine Quills” quite succinctly. I do believe you CIJ have been reading further in my PQ as your comments elucidate extrapolations with that data in mind.

PQ is almost a real time account of what was happening in 1999 through 2003. Use the search engine I have provided. Use the Google one because “hackers” have disrupted the Yahoo pre-setup I had like Google. Just put your subject item in the search box and it will take you to a host of information. A good start would be to query “storage”.

There are facts that even I don’t know and some of those of you who have had access to information I don’t have opened some doors for me to investigate. However, it all takes time and working in the environment I do out here on a Protest Site that is not a really reliable environment to be doing such intense research and investigation.

You minimized my problems out here to that of your scenario and I beckon to differ. You, for instance, have not had to sit out rain and thunder storms trying to keep your computer equipment from getting baptized and shorting out the circuitry as I have. There are other issues also that you don’t have so you just have to bear with me as I am doing the best circumstances permit which includes environmental fatigue, hacking and theft of files from my hard drive that are critical to these very issues in this forum!

Since you have apparently agreed to comply with my PQ terms of use contract you have access to a plethora of juicy information. Please avail yourself and get off this “You need to give us specifics and not generalities as to how you were abused by the system” stuff because it is for the most part there for your perusal especially in PQ on a time line format that gives you blow by blow. Just do a search on “storage” and use your “find” feature with the word “storage” and that will quickly get you to the meat of that for which you are looking regarding the property loss scenario.

Do a search on ’The Man’, King, Wheaton, Dorta, Court, Naperville, Cuneo, Levine, McGrath, Simler, PADS, Library, Bowen, Wood Dale, Dial and etceteras and likewise you will find examples of those subject matters for which to please the cockles of your heart!

Choose specific terms and you will find a host of information without the painstaking reading…that is why I put the search engine with the localized search in my web site! If you need help with search terms, let me know and I will give you more! Reading the peripheral content puts better context on the specific information so you will see the totality of impact on my circumstances.

Remember, those of you who want to use the above information have to comply with the Terms of Use Contract, AKA Shrimp Wrap Contract and Shrink Wrap Contract in the order below!

1) http://www.angelfire.com/on2/aaelectronics/king.html

2) Search…

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=angelfire+on2+aaelectronics&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Hope this helps!

Scott M. Huber
11:08 AM CDT
8-31-09

Scott, licking my wounds? You probably really believe this. See this is the difference between you and me. I've owned various businesses for the past 15 years. Did I have setbacks? Sure I did. Did I think some things were unfair? Sure I did. I failed many times. One thing I did not do is conjure up an entity where I could lay the blame. So instead of getting up dusting yourself off, you through a pity party for yourself. I can tell how special you think you are, so it could never be your own fault, right Scott?

Yes, I read most of your other rants and raves on the other sites. A few things worth reading, most of it babbles on incoherently.

I see you actually used the statement "This is my ministry my ‘Son’" I could have predicted this would start to play out. You believe people will start to follow you because you have a gift.

You also stated somehow I was jealous. That was funny.

I state once again.

My hope is Naperville finds the help you need. I am sure you are within your rights to be homeless and even to protest as you have called it. Now all of us have to pity you tonight because the temperature may dip down to the lowest temperature ever recorded in August. I am sure that's evil Naperville controlling the weather.

By Original Joe on August 30, 2009 12:05 AM
I don't believe the city owes Scott anything, but at the same time I think they would be stupid to pass an ordinance that specifically targets him and should just let him be.

Scott, I may not understand or agree with what you are protesting but I do believe you have the right to do it and will support that right because I am an American, the same as you and I believe in the Constitution.

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Mr. Scott M. Huber,

I think the best we can do for now is sway people of Joe's point of view which I think is right on the money.

But if you follow in your footpath, Joe is hinting you will die as a protestor/striker and get nothing but a ticket to Heaven hopefully since you seem to be a good man and a devout Christian who even takes the train with the little money you have to attend MASS at your church.

You are an intelligent man and eloquent writer. You need to give us specifics and not generalities as to how you were abused by the system. You need to lay your case for us right on the sidewalk in front of you. We know our judicial system borders somewhere between imperfect, incompetent and corrupt.

I do believe you were not heard properly in the judicial system. No one is if they try to represent themselves due to a lack of funds. You are not part of the boy's club.

But you can make your case on this blog site where the residents of Naperville can learn how you were abused. But they need facts, documents and evidence so they can understand as you allege that you were RAILROADED by the judicial system in all its forms and branches.

As the Original Joe, I do not understand your case but support your right to protest and will make donations for you because as CM BOB I believe that you are confident in your cause. But OJ, CM BOB and I are the minority. If you want the majority to support you, your case must be laid out in plain English.

The Napergate Man laid out his case in plain English and we understood what he was saying. You may not be as good a writer as he was, but you certainly have the ability to summarize your case as you have literally summarized the Bible. I now understand the Bible much better but honestly do not understand your case.

The Napergate Man had to pay tens of thousands of dollars to lay out his case in paid Napergate Ads in the Naperville Sun during the Napergate Era. You are lucky we are in the BLOG PHASE of the INTERNET ERA and you can lay your entire case out for us to read free of charge from right under your pretty blue umbrella. Moderator Magee has given you the green light to use his forum. So what if there is a delay in posting time. He is a one man operation and needs to take time out to eat, work and use the restroom occassionally between the hours of 11am and 2am. He is human as you are. He is not deliberating delaying your posts.

I have tried reading your case like I read the Napergate Case at Nichols Library. I am having a very hard time undertanding or comprehending it. You need to help me. If you help me, I will publicize it here and elsewhere. If I can get a grasp on it, I will forward to the Northwestern Group who fights for the oppressed. I will e-mail it to Eric Zorn who loves to take on the establishment wherever it may be. Show us you have a case of fire instead of case of smoke like Furstenau's that wasted our time and money and amounted to dry drama with no good opening, ,no plot, no theme and no good ending.

If you don't want to communicate through me, send Eric Zorn an e-mail directly and tell him your story. If he finds you were abused he will rip through the Naperville Establishment. He ripped through them before on both the Nicarico and Napergate Cases. He did not waste his time on the Furstenau Drama as I did. He is an Investigative Columnist for the Chicago Tribune who can truly help you. He loves standing up for the underdog. So help him help you as he does have a lot of power and influence to shake and bake those who abuse their discretion to further their self- interests at your expense and taxpayer expense.

Dan on August 28, 2009 1:01 PM

"By Dan on August 28, 2009 1:01 PM
Anonymous on August 27, 2009 9:57 AM"

PART A:

"Scott I would gladly compare my entire body of Christian ways to yours."

You miss the whole point of Christian context. We are to be comparing ourselves to Christ not to each other so I am not interest in your offer. 1 Corinthians chapter 1

"You are only a servant on to yourself. You care for no one, you give to no one. You take, take and take again."

And you are God and you are Omniscient…Right!?

"So please do not hide behind a few bible verses."

No, I will "hide" behind as plethora of Bible verses! I don’t know what Christianity you follow but you suggest you are just a Social Gospel Christian. The very admonishment of St. Paul is to put on the amour of Christ which is the Word of God that shields believers from the fiery darts of the wicked and Satan!…Ephesians 6:11-18 and "16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." 2 Timothy 3:16 and 17!

"Your only saving grace is that you cannot help the way you act daily basis."

My saving Grace is Christ’s mercy not your Opinions! Titus 3: 5 &6.

"Fortunately the Christian faith you tout has given me the compassion to understand what conditions place you in the street in harms way of tormentors, and the elements."

Well I think you just might be beginning to see the Light!

"If you were honestly protesting a just cause instead of the the narcissist SCOTT HUBER cause I might be persuaded to think otherwise."

My cause is parallel with many people’s causes. The Constitution provides for me to publicize my cause. I choose to use my rights rather submit to your Despotism.

St. Paul instructs Christians to provide for ourselves. It does not say I have to do it your way though!

The Scriptures say that Christians should “know thyself”, cf. Deuteronomy 4:9, and in doing that they know what is the best approach to an impossible problem. It does not say that the World, (YOU), will like it!

Even business demands loyalty to its structure! If it took the advice of its adversaries, the competition, it would soon collapse into oblivion. You are clearly the adversary! I merely try to be an autonomous lighthouse not tossed to and fro in a dark world trying to be a good steward among the sharks that are vituperative, obnoxious, obstreperous, devious and narcissist.

Just because I may stand out when taking this position does not make me narcissist! It makes you jealous because I chose to do right and you took the easy way and hid yourself! Just because you are jealous does not make me narcissistic it makes me a good steward using the tools provided for me cost effectively! In your mind anyone who stands out is a narcissist. If people yielded to your mentality the Despots would have a field day for sure!

"Every dollar that is handed to you could be given to so many causes much further up the list than yours. If you had the ability to understand this you would be overwhelmed with guilt. But, alas you don't have the capability."

This is my ministry my ‘Son’. This is my cross to bear as I follow Christ as St. Paul follows Christ! Paul accepted gifts and I do to. Who are you to define who I should accept gifts from and who I should not! Who are you to define the placement of Gods love through gifts! The public is motivated by a compassion / Love that decides not you! You are clearly jealous that God has poured out his gifts on me!

"It's funny how you rail against the forces of society and law accept when it serve your needs."

In your Omniscience you are mistaken. I ‘rail’ against UNJUST forces of society not society as a whole. I fight for the Truth and object to corrupt government that is clearly self serving and controlled by a Despotic minority similarly oriented who ignore their own rules and stated standards. I would not have to be on this protest if I had not been short changed by these Despots who were to operate as a public trust! I have chosen to work through the system not through anarchy. I strive to follow the law that is why I take issue and protest when the rules are not followed! Was not the System designed to engender freedom rather than Despotism? Selah!

"Finally you end many of your salient statements with Selah! I find it ironic the meaning of that word is the one thing you are incapable of ever doing."