wt?,

I understand that you, what the?, ise a partisan, emotional progressivenoncompoop without a mind of your own.

Now, as for the warships ---- ru denying they are there, or that they are there because of the trip? Ru denying ANY ships are going there, or just that the number is not 34? eally, instead of crying and attacking and moaning, how about actually stating something of inteligence and not just crap you download from the Kos.

As far as 200 mil, I don;t know what all you guys are referring to. Did I post something that you mistook for $200 mil, 'cause I don't remember it.

And ur right ---- your stupidity abounds!

Anon:

The chain email I got mentioned the warships too, but I didn't mention it because I really didn't think there was anyone on earth stupid enough to believe THAT. I underestimated you.

I understand your emotions and your ego are invested in this nuttiness, but put that aside and try using the higher reasoning skills that God gave all of us (I think) to assess stuff you hear before you immediately buy into it. I know it's hard, because Obama bashing just feels so good, but I also know it can be done because I've taught my kids to be careful consumers of information. If a 19- and 14-year-old can learn to be critical thinkers, I have faith that most grown adults can. IF they want to.

Stick a toe outside of the conservative misinformation bubble in which you reside and check out just one other source. Try factcheck.org, an independent, nonpartisan fact checking website that has outed false claims by conservatives and the Obama White House alike:

"This story has spread rapidly among the president’s critics, but there is simply no evidence to support it. And common sense should lead anyone to doubt it. For example, the entire U.S. war effort in Afghanistan currently costs less than that — about $5.7 billion per month, according to the Congressional Research Service, or roughly $190 million per day. How could a peaceful state visit cost more than a war?:

And,

"Pentagon Press Secretary Geoff Morrell's statement on Nov. 4: I will take the liberty this time of dismissing as absolutely absurd this notion that somehow we were deploying 10 percent of the Navy — some 34 ships and an aircraft carrier — in support of the president’s trip to Asia. … That’s just comical. Nothing close to that is being done.

ABC News reported that 34 ships would actually amount to nearly 12 percent of the 288 in the Navy’s fleet, not 10 percent."

Read the factcheck response and, as Winnie the Pooh says, "think, think, think".

http://factcheck.org/2010/11/ask-factcheck-trip-to-mumbai/

All if all this fails, then the only thing I can say is please, please, please go out in public as much as you can and spread the word about the President's $200 mil a day, 3,000 person, 34 warship, above-ground transport tube building trip to India. Stupid is as stupid does. You can serve as an example of what NOT to be for the rest of us.

(Poking my head in to judge one of the recent arguments)

BACK OF THE BUS

Jon Stewart nailed this as someone linked elsewhere.

Michael Steele used the back of the bus phrase.

Obama did not.

Just because of the quality of the clip, I am relinking it here:

http://www.therightscoop.com/daily-show-back-of-the-bus-fox-really

(as usual nsfw)

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Wackadoodle what the?,

\Never screamed, always understood.

Unfortunately, your little partisan mind could only lock on your mental mode that I was discussing the bus versus car, when I was, all along, discussing
the issue of the irrational partisan nature of the thought process of you and your ilk, of your biases and hypocrisy.

If you read your posts, you will find that you were a petty, rampaging jerk (as usual), that you again instantly used attacks as your data, and that you have a thin-skinned, narrow mind.

Hannity? You must watch this guy a lot as you quote him a lot. Is that true? Or,more likely, do you get the talking point summarries on him from your progressive puppet masters?

I don't watch him ---- fact. However, to fit your little incorrect narrative on life you need to accuse all who disagree with you of being GOP, of being watchers of all you see as evil.

You're an idiot.

Side note: did you see we are sedning 34 war ships to "guard" India while Obama and hos entourage are there? For the uninformed like you who accept the costs of the Afgan & Iraq war at face value, you MUST incoude ALL the costs of sending these warships as part of the cost of the trip (or yu are the conplete hypocrite we think you are).

Glock:

Oh, now I get it. Make that Quinn, Blago and Ryan selling pistachios.

Anon:

You're the only wackadoodle on here who's been screaming.

It doesn't matter that you now understand Obama didn't use the words Hannity said he did, you're already so committed to your outrage that you don't care, even when you know your rampage is based on a false premise. If Hannity hadn't embellished his story by adding the words "of the bus" to Obama's comments, he wouldn't have had the controversial story he wanted, so he intentionally made it controversial. And here you are, days later, still raging on about it. Dude, these guys are jerking you around like a dog on a chain.

I watched Obama give his "Reps will have to sit in the back" comments on CNN at the time. I did not for an instant think of racism, or Rosa Parks, or buses. I have not heard anyone anywhere else make this connection except on Fox, and even then Hannity himself had to change Obama's statement to get there. If I were you, I would be embarrassed to be so easily malleable.

We vacationed in D.C. and Virginia this past summer, and I spent an entire day at the Holocaust Museum. They had, and may still have, an exhibit on the creation and use of propaganda. Hitler learned propaganda from the Allies who used it effectively against Germany in WWI. He took these techniques and applied them to his campaign against the Jews. Propaganda consists of a mix of true, half-true and outright false statements all mixed together. If you make, say, 10 individual statements, people only have to recognize one or two as true in order to accept the other half-truths or lies without question. Fan it with fear or suspicion, or in our case, economic hardship, and you can have people believing all sorts of outrageous things they normally wouldn't.

Like Glock above repeating a chain email I got that says Obama's diplomatic trip to India will be taking 3,000 people and will cost taxpayers $200 MIL per day! 3,000 people and $200 mil a day isn't a diplomatic visit, it's an invasion. It is incredible to me that any grown adult would believe something so obviously impossible, but I see it on here all the time. A couple mil a day I can believe, but $200 million? I went online and found articles that estimated the cost of the Iraq war as being $255 million per day, so this could be where the author got the ballpark figure. $200 million is a figure used for Iraq, so apply it to India. A truish fact combined with a lie. Personally, I wouldn't believe this if Michael Moore made a movie saying W. Bush did it. But here Glock is, actually running with it. And here you are with your back of the bus outrage. Not surprisingly, both of these stories are only circulating in the conservative media where there already exists a biased and receptive audience. That's how propaganda works.

Understood but if you are using history as any example, so am I.

JQP,

I do NOT Keep saying the bus part. I have tried to limit it to "the back" part.

Thus I continue to say if white dude said the EXACT same thing, wackadoodles like wt? would have screamed racism as they do at about anything.

JQP:

You will enjoy this addendum. Obama didn't use the "back of the bus" phrase, but another high profile African American poltician did back in August at the Republican National Convention: Michael Steele. He was speaking to a crowd about his Fire Pelosi Bus Tour and said--quote--"We're gonna win in November, and Nancy Pelosi will be in the BACK OF THE BUS", complete with an over the shoulder thumb motion. See it here:

http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/2010/08/video-rnc-chair-michael-steele-nancy-pelosi-will-be-in-the-back-of-the-bus/

Notice this was three months ago, and Fox did not broadcast it. I bet this is the first time Anon has even heard about it. Interesting how the Fox Network keeps this from their viewers when the chairman of their political party says it, yet Hannity fabricates a statement to attribute the offensive words to Obama. But now we know where Hannity got the idea.

Besides, my kids tell me that all through middle and high school, only the cool kids were allowed to sit in the back of the bus. Being in the back of the bus has a totally different meaning to them!

John Q. Public:

Thank you.

Glock:

My recitation of history was about Presidents, not Illinois governors.

LOLS (lots of laughs) What the ?. Quinn may have his job but he is still a laughing stock to almost half of the people in this state. And if your recitation of history is correct, his narrow behind will be headed to prison some day as a governor of this state. Nothing would be funnier than he and Blago hawking pistachios together.

Anonymous, two points:

1. A white dude didn't say it---though if a white dude HAD said what you originally misquoted Obama as having said, he would RIGHTLY have been criticized. But Obama is not white, so he could "get away with" saying some things that a white guy would get pilloried for saying. You think that's a double standard? Well black people in this country have been on the short end of a lot of much worse double standards for centuries. And though the situation has improved markedly over the past few decadades, I doubt there are many white people who, if they could, would trade places with a black person so they could enjoy the many "benefits" of being African American in 2010. I know I wouldn't.

2. Obama didn't say "back of the bus". He didn't. Everyone knows that, including, I think, you. So why do you keep pretending that he did say it, or that what he did say is equivalent to the same thing? Not that it would have warranted all of the false outrage of the Sean Hannitys of the world if he had said it, but he didn't say it, so you pretty much have no case.

-JQP

The only thing you got the best of was your meds.

However, that is NOT a god thing!

Get back on them, pronto, before the orderly finds out.

And, yet again, I repeat:

IF A WHITE DUDE SAID IT EXACTLY AS YOUR PRESIDENT SAID IT, YOU AND YOUR ILK WOULD BE SCREAMING RACIST.

P.S. to Glock:

This will rain on your parade, but the exact same thing happened to Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and W. And all three still won second terms. Now back to those tea bags!

Glock 22 RTF 2:

What takes 3,000 people and $200 MIL per day in taxpayer money? The imagination of a chain email author who knows people like you will believe anything. We have redneck friends in Missouri; I get all that junk too.

Better be careful you don't PO your boss too much. I wouldn't want to see you down on the unemployment line with Pat Quinn. Oh wait, it's Wednesday and he still has his job! Wouldn't want to see you down on the unemployment line by yourself!

Anonymous | November 2:

Shrill? Of course! That's what men always call women who get the better of them. Nothing like a little sexism with my coffee.

Anonymous | November 2:

Any more name calling I'd like to engage in? Sure! After suffering through that last mangled post of yours, I feel confident adding "incoherent" to the list.

Obama said Reps could ride "in the back". Hannity claimed Obama said Reps could ride "in the back of the bus", which was repeated here verbatim in Anon's post of October 26. The false quote is right there in his own words. It's the "bus" part which was bogus, Hannity made it up. It doesn't get any clearer than that. Anon was played for a fool and clearly enjoys the role.

White dudes on Fox ARE the only ones saying it, and they're also the only ones trying to make it a race-baiting issue. This is a Fox manufactured controversy; it didn't happen, which is why you haven't heard about it anywhere else. You can continue to rail on about it, but in that case I'd have to add "brain damaged" to the list.

What takes 3,000 people and $200 MIL per day in taxpayer money? Obama's vacation to India. I have three words for What the ?. ONE TERM PRESIDENT.Now off to work. I have to decorate the office with a variety of colored tea bags before the boss gets there. He will surely be irritated today. We want to meet his expectation.

Whatthe?, you are sounding a little more shrill amd wordy than usual, than.it hit me: you r probably watching election results!!!!!!

You r the minute, whatthe? Anymore name calling you'd like to engage in? How about "you and many more"?

I saw and hard Obama say it - the GOP could come along but had to rife in the back
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H edid NOT say the car! Having said that, you take the leap it referred to the car from his earlier comment.

Maybe so. However, by leaving it open, he leaves himself open to criticism. Remember, you guys have sold him as the.greatest speaker, like, OMG, forever! And Obama himself is on record as saying words matter.

So..............

I repeat, if a white dude, say Newt, said the EXACT same thing, you and your ilk DEFINITELY would have screamed racist.

Anonymous | November 2:

You're going to continue to torture us as you try to weasel out of your mistake now, aren't you? Here was your direct, original quote:

Anonymous | October 26, 2010 1:04 PM

So now Prez Obama wants the Republicans to sit "in the back of the bus".

Obama used a car metaphor and said Reps had to sit in the back. Hannity changed this to "sitting in the back of the bus" to conjure up Rosa Parks-type imagining of reverse racism, and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Like I said, the quote you repeated was a Fox exclusive; it existed only on that network.

You got punked by Hannity and the other Fox talking heads and now you look like an idiot. When you get tired of being played for a fool, try getting your information from a reliable source. That would be any network besides Fox.

Anonymous | November 1:

I repeat, people like you are ninnies. A black guy DIDN'T say it, a bunch of white guys on Fox did. Hannity made it up, the whole network ran with it, and empty headed Fox viewers regurgitate it on this blog. If you don't want to be insulted, then don't spew Fox's propaganda here. Put in on a sign, preferably in misspelled words, and take it to a Tea Party rally. No one will question it there.

No, SHE WHO HAS NO NATURAL THOUGHTS OR ABILITY TO EXHIBIT GRACE formerly known as What The?,

Unlike you, who gets all of HER alleged "info" from talking point sources like the Kos and Huff, I actually SAW Obama say the words I posted about the GOP going to the "back".

Sorry to not fit into your angry little closed, progressive, mean-sprirted narrow mind.. In fact, I must ask: do you even have one?

Once again, your reliance on progressive talking points handed to you by your masters has failed you.

You might want to go back for some reprograming, perhaps?

Oh, by the way, I also SAW Obama when he referred to conservatives as "the enemy". Don't need anyone's news to point it out to me (again, unlike yourself, What The?, who needs to wait for her progressive talking points from her masters in D.C.

There yu have it! The man who was supposedly OUR President thiks of those that did not vote for him as the enemy!

I predict this can come out better when compared with any are predicting. We don’t want to jinx it when you're overly optimistic and the media need to lower our expectations to be able to suppress the vote.

Southeast Side:

Ok, NOW I get it. Watched Stewart tonight and he discussed it. Seems the "back of the bus" comment started with Hannity and spread over the entire Faux News channel in a day or so. The president telling Reps to sit in the back of "the bus" was a Faux News exclusive. It only occurred on that channel.

Shoulda known, Faux News ninnies like Anon wouldn't know an original thought if it walked up and peed on his leg. And it's pretty sad when Comedy Central is a more reliable source of information than a network that calls itself "news". But that's where we are today. Glenn Beck hasn't seen a half man/half monkey yet? Wait another five years. Fox viewers will be growing copious amounts of body hair and dragging their knuckles.

I am shocked --- shocked, I tell you! Out of the blue. “whatthe? the Red” abandons data and grace and instead hurls insults. Whodda thunk it?

What an angry, little, mean-spirited little mind you have, my dear. All that pent-up anger can cause an aneurysm or a heart event! Learn to control your biases and emotions, and better health will follow. Until then, what is wrong with your limited little uber-partisan mind?

No accurate info? No problemo for whatthe? --- she just hurls a few insult, makes up party affiliation, than throws out the word TEA. thus invoking via inference the latest lefty talking points dismissing the TEA party. How utterly lefty of you, comrade. I am sure that attitude of attack first, intelligently discuss never will be a great one to have come Wednesday morning.

I will say it again: IF a white dude (say, John Boehner or some FOX talking head) said the same thing referring to Obama all of you lefties would be SCREAMING racism since you guys use race to bolster any argument you have no chance of winning on the facts.

So, please sit back, cut some brie, pour some chardonnay, bring up Kos on the pc, turn to Maddow’s show, and trash America and complain about why the government doesn’t do more about all these poor people”. Of course, you will be doing all of this in your over-sized home, with heat and granite counters…….. ..

The Sun has spoken with the follow endorsements, among others: Scott Harper. This guy is a zero. While I am not a big fan of Biggert either, Harper seems to be a trade downward. We know Biggerts unimpressive record, Scott has no record. Hilarious. Even more hilarious is the Sun thinks it should weigh in on the garbage contract in the township referendum. What is wrong with you people?

Crains Chicago Business isn't amused.

Editorial: Smear tactics in Illinois Supreme Court justice election stain business
November 01, 2010

The business community can't sit by while an organization purporting to represent its interests perpetrates a smear campaign against an Illinois Supreme Court Justice.

The Illinois Civil Justice League is working to oust Justice Thomas Kilbride because he voted to strike down a recently enacted state law limiting damage awards in medical malpractice cases. The organization waged a long fight for malpractice caps, a goal shared by many in the state's business community.

But the Civil Justice League's attack ads don't talk about Justice Kilbride's vote against caps. Apparently the group doesn't think the issue will motivate folks to come out and vote against him.

Instead, the organization slurs him with the baseless charge that he's soft on crime, an allegation much more likely to rile voters. Television commercials paid for by its political action committee falsely cast Justice Kilbride as a protector of criminals.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20101030/ISSUE07/310309954/editorial-smear-tactics-in-illinois-supreme-court-justice-election

Wow. This may be the Meta-Story .

I have not been paying close attention to the judicial elections, but the Judge Kilbride Illinois Supreme Court retention hit me hard today.

There are some negative ads on crime that I've heard on AM radio, but did not pay attention until today.

WGN ran a story yesterday where Judge Kilbride was complaining about the opposition from some Business front group Illinois Civil Justice League.

This story went on to say that that group had raised about $670,000 to oppose his retention. "National Association of Manufacturers, has chipped in $180,000. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce has contributed $150,000."

Oh..by the way..at the end of the tv story, it was noted that the Illinois Democratic Party has supported him with $1.4 million, and he has another 1.4 million in support from several large groups.

Who is the largest, you may ask of that other $1.4 million? The Illinois Federation of Teachers pumping in "$454,000 in cash and in-kind contributions."

What?

So from their website:

Supreme Court Justice Tom Kilbride Deserves Retention on Illinois' Highest Court.

IFT members in North Central Illinois are urged to vote to retain Justice Tom Kilbride.... Kilbride has earned the endorsement of the IFT and Illinois AFL-CIO for his longtime record of support for education, public employees and organized labor on legal issues important to IFT members and all workers.

The Illinois Supreme Court makes critical decisions on matters that often directly impact IFT members and their families, including pension protections and the scheduled statewide legislative remap. It is critical to ensure that fair and reasonable members like Justice Tom Kilbride have a voice and vote in those important decisions

Let me see if I can make a list.

• Pensions
• Legislative remap
• This represents districting of the Supreme Court...Kind of like having an individual city council member for each district, but money can pour in from everywhere anyway so why bother.
• Freedom of Speech..as defined by a recent US Supreme Court ruling.
• malpractice awards (something it seems like the doctors are mad about) and was a recent story against Edward.
• poop being slung (not in an apartment complex)
• Somehow Show-Me's and Navistar avoided this story.

I guess this is what happens when the State Supreme Court is elected politically and there is a 4-3 split right now.

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The two (or one?) Anons:

You bet Obama said you guys should sit in the back, that's where you definitely belong. But you're ridiculous if you think any rational person is agreeing with your addition of "the bus", which has the fear of reverse racial discrimination all over it which is why you're using it. We know this stuff works well on you Tea Party types because you're reactionary, not too bright and convinced minorities have gained too much power over you. You see "the bus" coming for you everywhere, but the majority of rational folks don't. So take your idiocy and propaganda to the next Tea Party rally. That's where you and it belongs--in the back.

So, wt? and her alter-ego, SES, think the car is back on the road?

I would hate to have your intuitioon ---you two are dilusional to a fault. Let me know what you invest in so I can do the opposite!

So we all agree --- Obama said the GOP can sit in the back! I am so glad you lefties agree withme!

Again, imagine a white dude saying it.......

Greed, corruption, legalized gambling (i.e. the stock and commodities markers) and most of all the EGO's of the spoiled and pampered ultra wealthy drove the american economy into the ditch. This wasn't a political accident. It was a business collision and it was no accident. Our government stood idly by and watched it happen. And what has been going on in business has been going on for so long that it would be impossible to blame either party because over the decades of this nonsense neither party has taken the initiative to end this nonsense.

Anyone who believes either major political party actually played a mayor role in the root factors behind the economic melt down doesn't understand basic economics or government.

The politician hype during election season about what either candidate or party is going to do to fix the economy is mostly nothing more than hollow rhetoric and basic advertising and marketing more than it is truthful or even factual; much less within a political candidate's actual power to deliver upon after election. The most any politician can offer us is a promise of a hope or a dream which fully explains the current president being in office. Yet how many politicians have we seen fail to deliver on their promise or even do an about face once in office?

Neither government nor politics can fix the economy. The only thing that can fix the economy is a better business climate and environment. So far the hundreds of billions of dollars that have mostly been wasted on short term "stimulus" has been almost entirely squandered foolishly and this money has not found it's way down to average wage earners any more than it has created permanent jobs, yet we now have a national debt load that will be a burden on our children and our children's children. Maybe even their children too if we keep spending like fools and drunken sailors.

Business got us into this mess and business is going to get us out of this mess. Nothing more and nothing less. And until business stops importing more than it is exporting the balance of trade and negative flow of dollars that is slowly eroding our economy and way of life isn't going to change.

Southeast Side and Anon:

SE Side is correct; the comment was that Republicans ran the car (a metaphor for our economy) into the ditch and thus won't be let back into the driver's seat. They can come along but will have to sit in the back. OF THE CAR! Not the bus. Leave it to the right fear mongers to morph every comment they can into a divisive statement that promotes racial fear. That's why the Tea Party is 80% conservative, 98% white and 100% losing their minds!

I heard the speech myself, it was a lot of fun. Here's how it went--the Reps ran the car into the ditch. The Dems got out to work together to push it out. The Reps just stood by the side of the road with their Slurpees and refused to help because they said the Dems were pushing the wrong way. Once the Dems got the car out of the ditch, the Reps wanted the keys back. The Dems said no, you're not getting the keys back. You don't know how to drive. You can come along with us, but you'll have to sit in the back. Obama also said if you want to go forward in a car, you put it in "D". If you want to go backwards, you put it in "R". This is not a coincidence! Too funny.

Where did Anon hear that a bus was used as the metaphor? I have a hunch, but try surprising me anyway.

You right-wingers are always happy to take things out of context: ( and of course NOT supply a link!! - Remember - if there's no link IT'S A LIE! )

Here is the quote - there's nothing about a bus.

"He said Republicans had driven the economy into a ditch and then stood by and criticized while Democrats pulled it out. Now that progress has been made, he said, "we can't have special interests sitting shotgun. We gotta have middle class families up in front. We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."

Here's the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101025/ap_on_el_pr/us_obama

So now Prez Obama wants the Republicans to sit "in the back of the bus".

Hmmmm ---- what would the fallout havebeen if a middle aged white male dude said this?

Will anyone with both moral character AND an ounce of common sense ever run for office?

Probably not. People with common sense and moral character have more sense than to run for political office nowadays. Sad, isn't it?

Democrats are working for us?

Which flavor of idiot-aid are you drinking?

Quinn etc .... won't do us much good I agree, sadly, someone like Brady is down right dangerous. Those who think he or his cronies are the answer scare me almost as much as the "man" himself. Desperate times, and we have some horrendous choices to make. Will anyone with both moral character AND an ounce of common sense ever run for office?

Southeast side you are crackers. All polititicans work for themselves. The era of blaming Bush is over. To continue supporting the crooked politicians you endorse does not move the state of Illinois forward and is insanne. It merely continues it in the current state of financial and social despair that it has been in for the last decade with corrupt democrats in government.

You teabaggers want to punish Quinn and Giannoulias for the economy crushed by the policies of BUSH, which has only resulted in more money for the ultra-wealthy and the shrinking of the middle class.

Voting for Republicans is voting against your best interests unless you are a rich fatcat ( Dan D!) .

Vote Democratic and support YOUR interests. Quinn, Giannoulias, Harper!!

Republicans are working for the RICH.
Democrats are working for YOU.

This can't come fast enough. And neither can the next two years.

Real simple. If Alexei or Quinn win, then we really do live in the dumbest state in America..........far surpassing Mississippi and whichever other states are consistently rated low on the education horizon.

Then in two more years, if Barry is re-elected, then we really are the dumbest country in the world.

It seems indefensible to vote for Quinn, Alexi, Foster, Harper or any other Democrat given the sorry state of affairs Illinois is in. When Quinn received the endorsement of Blago, you Naperville Democrats should have been ducking under the table. Actually, you Democrats should be ashamed of yourselves. It is not only about Quinn. You people also claim fame to the Madigans, especially Mike Madigan who is the longest unresolved problem in state history in my opinion. And I would not allow Alexi to balance my check book let alone vote for him to be Treasurer or Senator. The man is an empty suit and the poster child for the party hack puppet. Finally, I agree with the first poster. I am voting "no" in the term limit scheme for all those posted reasons. Another reason is this is a small enough community (as opposed to the County or State and Federal offices) so that if an elected offical is unsuitable for service, it is not too difficult to unseat him or her when that seat comes up for election. I do not agree with ward style aldermen, I don't care how they word it. The last thing Naperville needs is for the City to be carved up into wards with the kind of people who seem to run for office and the kind of people we seem to elect here. Naperville is better served when they have to deal with issues on a community wide basis rather than a style of ward bosses that would give them more power that would wind up inflating their heads. The wards divide communities and pit those communities against each other as the wards in Chicago are pitted against each other for even the most basic services. Can you imagine ward boss Dollar Dick Furstenau? He would probably jump up and down screaming and whining how he wants his ward to the First Ward. Judith would want to be called Madam Boss. Our council needs to be accountable to all of us as a whole. What do you think Thom and What the ?

The argument about Quinn versus Brady is an odd one. I read in the SUN today where they have "so many" questions on him because he has not engaged in big-hoopla issues.

The implication appears to be we should question voting for him based on this.

However, with Quinn we have a known quantity ---- he has been an abject failure by any unbiased accounting. Vote Kirk or vote for known failure. Next question?

Giannoulias ---- he is a crook and I don't care who is running against him, they get my vote. If we elct this nothing to represent us in the Senate, we deserve every crap thing that happens to us until he is gone. Just looking at his IRS tax scam (or lie to us about when he left the bank), and the bazillions of hard-earned Illinoian money that he lost in the college saving, disqualify him from representing us.

Lisa Madigan --- doing a really, really good job and I say Keep her! In fact, too bad she is not running for Mayor instead of that troll Emmanuel.

I'm going to vote NO on the term limits in Naperville, but not for the reasons most have already talked about. I am definitely FOR term limits. If a two term limit rule is good enough for the highest elected position in the nation then it surely is good enough for a lowly city council member in Naperville. The reason I'm going to vote NO is because this sitting group of clowns unfairly limit new council members but exclude all of their prior service. I also disagree with the three term limit. I would vote yes for two term limit and I would definitely vote FOR no grandfathering. I'd rather continue the way it is until a future city council gets the question right and gives us the opportunity to vote on a two term limit rule with no grandfathering!

I'm also going to vote NO on council districts. I am definitely FOR council districts, but I do not like the hybrid approach which is again designed by the sitting council members to save their own positions. I'm willing to see this one get voted down and wait for a future city council to give us the opportunity to vote on all city council members representing a defined district and NO at large members.

On the state level I'm also going to vote NO to the amendment to the Illinois Constitution. If you read it and understand how it would work it is pretty lame and largely won't work anyway. I voted FOR a constitutional convention last year and that would have been the vehicle to fix all manner of problems with our current constitution. It is a shame that we will have to wait 20 years for another change to fix corrupt politics in this state. Everyone who voted NO or who didn't vote can thank themselves for screwing that one up!

No surprise here that someone from Naperville is going to vote for Brady. Just for the record I'm appalled by the negative ads being run by both sides in this race. Regardless, Quinn has the theoretical incumbent advantage yet he was never elected. Despite being handed control of the state he has failed to gain any traction or make any real progress in fixing what is wrong or broken in this state and he is not about to cross party lines and do what really needs to be done. Our only hope is to look outside the Democratic party and out of his four opponents that really leaves us with only one serious and viable candidate.